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Rick 098
03-22-2003, 03:26 PM
Sony has released a driver for the kb-11 for sj/sl/t/nr/tg-50.
The TG-50 is an os5 device so why wont it work with the NXor NZ?
kenbotwinick
03-22-2003, 07:01 PM
That's a good question. I would have guessed it had something to do with the processor speed, since my KB11 would not work with my 615C if using a CPU accelerating hack like FastCPU. But the TG-50 is also 200Mhz. Very odd...

Where did you find the driver? Does it specifically say it won't work? Have you tried it?
kenbotwinick
03-22-2003, 07:11 PM
Found the driver. I'm going to try it and see. Can't hurt if I backup first.
kenbotwinick
03-22-2003, 07:32 PM
Didn't work. Didn't think it would, but didn't take long to test. This version of the driver did actually put some characters up on the screen when I was typing. They weren't the right ones, but I don't think older versions of the driver even did this. Maybe 2.0 will work with the NX70V. In the meantime, I've been trying to find someone that would do the soldering hack to my keyboard for me... Has anyone near Worcester MA successfully done this to their keyboard?
n2ifp
03-22-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Rick 098
Sony has released a driver for the kb-11 for sj/sl/t/nr/tg-50.
The TG-50 is an os5 device so why wont it work with the NXor NZ?

The KB11 has to be modified first. Then from what I understand, it requires a beta Tungsten T keyboard driver. There is a couple threads with the info in them. Do a search on keyboards, there is two, one by OcellNuri and Pen-Pen.
Donkeystyle
03-22-2003, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by Rick 098
Sony has released a driver for the kb-11 for sj/sl/t/nr/tg-50.
The TG-50 is an os5 device so why wont it work with the NXor NZ?

Its not a problem with OS5 so much as it is a problem with the connector on the NX.
Rick 098
03-24-2003, 06:50 PM
I thought TG-50 and the NX-60/70V had the same connector:confused:
Donkeystyle
03-24-2003, 06:55 PM
Same T-Series connector for the most part, the one exception seems to be keyboard compatibility.
n2ifp
03-24-2003, 07:05 PM
No it's not the connector. It needs a diode in series with a resistor wired across a couple of pins, plus the TT beta driver.

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5580&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
Donkeystyle
03-24-2003, 07:38 PM
diode for the pins in the connector, so it is the connector, right?
n2ifp
03-24-2003, 08:04 PM
Originally posted by Donkeystyle
diode for the pins in the connector, so it is the connector, right?

Not exactly in the connector, just what is feeding the keyboard internally. 
Donkeystyle
03-24-2003, 08:42 PM
oh, i was under the impression that it was a pin of the connector that interfaces with the keyboard that was the problem. my mistake.
OcellNuri
03-24-2003, 08:55 PM
It's not the physical connector, but the circuity behind the connector. The KB11 keyboard works on the assumption that certain resistances are present between certain pins on the connector. Sony changed the circuity in the NX, while leaving the actual form factor of the connector the same. Physically.. it is the same, but inside they have changed a resistor.

Sony has apparent changed the circuitry back to the documented form on the TG50, and I imagine future handhelds. I still have no clue why they made the change in the first place. I've been very impressed that they have stuck to the T-series connector for so long, but they are going to shoot themselves in the foot if they make internal changes to what is supposed to be a new standard.
n2ifp
03-24-2003, 09:26 PM
I thought it a classic case of one hand not knowing what the other is doing. In reference to Sony and it's standard.