Delete built-in apps??

[catgenie]

Is there any way to delete the built-in applications? I seldom use MS Imports, Photostand, Photo Editor and I would rather trade them for more free RAM.

[n2ifp]

No! For now it's not possible, unless Sony changes it's mind.

[the_iceman]

There is a piece of software which you can do such a thing. I believe it is called JackFlash and/or JackSprat.

You may want to search this forum about this software and check it out ont PalmGear.com.

I've heard they will be releasing a version to be used with the NZ within a few weeks.

Basically this software gives you access to the FLASH area (where all of the standard Palm Apps Reside). You can move your own programs into it (Usually there is 1-2mb free in the flash area). The nice thing about the FLASH memory .... is if you are forced to do a HARD-RESET .... whatever is in the FLASH memory is 'saved'.

[oneeyesquare]

No, according to Brayder they will NOT be releasing a version of Jacksprat for Sony OS5... I believe it's on the front page or check the NX forum...http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7689&perpage=15&pagenumber=1
Jackflash allows you to move apps in/out flash RAm (NZ has about 3.3 megs), but doesn't touch the Sony apps....

[the_iceman]

One other note .... I do think you can get my meaning from my other post. The BUILT in APPS are all in flash. Simply getting rid of any BUILT-IN-APPS will not really free up your main memory. You will only be freeing up more FLASH memory. The NZ has 16mb of memory, but it uses 5mb for FLASH and 11mb for regular Internal Memory. While you may think of them as being the same.... they are 'seperate'.

If you do get rid of more 'flash' memory apps... you can move some of your INTERNAL Memory APPS to the FLASH area and thus free up more internal memory.

[the_iceman]

Thank you for that update oneyesquare!!!!!!!!!!

I wasn't sure if you could remove any of the SONY apps or not. Good Information to know!

[mikegehl]

the-iceman - not quite correct. NZ has 16mb RAM and 16mb ROM (Flash). See here: http://sonyelectronics.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/nz90specifications/PEG-NZ90.html

However, only 11mb of RAM is usable. Someone else will have to supply the technical term for the other 5mb that's used for certain apps.

[the_iceman]

Mike,

You can call it what you want .... ... but if you had true 16mb ROM and 16MB Ram ..... one should have 100% access to the RAM and have 16mb available.. and not 11mb. 5mb are taken up, and I think part of that is for installed APPS. I've been trying to find out where the other 5mb goes... and that is all I can come up with. I know what the web-site says...... but makes no sense to me.

If all PALM APPS were in the ROM which are 'standard' on a CLIE .... then there should be 16mb of available internal memory. Seems that 5mb of the internal memory has been 'stolen' by something else..... or maybe sony just misplaced the 5mb???? LOL

:)

[mikegehl]

Read through this previous thread...

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3722

[the_iceman]

well... that thread has comparrisons of a Palm to a PC. While you may only have 'xMB free' on a PC for use ... that doesn't mean it won't show you the total amount. Best thing it said (in the post you mentioned' is possibly a dynamic heap. That is understandable to some degree, although a 5mb Heap is ummmmmmmmmm HUGE. To take over 30% of ram and make it a HEAP .... seems quite excessive. Maybe it was fore-thought to some huge apps which may come out. Who knows..... but that would have been a nice parm ... to be able to manipulate .... for when those apps come out .

Like... ummmmmm if the current apps you have installed only requre a max of 1mb of this '5mb' overhead ... then it uses that. But ..... if an app is installed which needs more .... then have it re-allocate as necessary (providing you have the ram available). If you want to be able to run such an app, you may be requred to trim down your Internal RAM apps to free up enough for the App which will need it.

Just thoughts. Seems more of a bad design by Sony. I'm not complaining too much on my end.... as I still have 5.7mb out of 11 free. I just have to have more on my MS than I would wish.

I run HanDBase on my PDA.... and I have my DBs on the MS. I have to have the FORMS for the DBs in internal memory for them to be called correctly.

Only problem with putting all my DBs (over 3mb worth) on the MS... .they don't sync up with HanDBase Desktop. In order for me to actually sync .... I have to move them to internal memory (temporarily) and then perform the sync ... and then move them back to MS. (more of a problem with HanDBase than NZ itself). We are trying to get ddh software to be able to sync from the MS.... but as of yet ... no luck.

[kkerruish]

>>>However, only 11mb of RAM is usable. Someone else will have to supply the technical term for the other 5mb that's used for certain apps.

The 5mb of RAM that is not useable for application storage is used by the operating system for temp space, buffering, running the PACE emulator (which allows OS4 and other non-ARM based applications) to run in OS5.

Without this buffered space, the Clie wouldn't be able to run video, audio and Macromedia Flash applications as efficiently as it does...the Palm T|T has 16mb of RAM, and they chose only 2mb of this 'temp space' which decreases it's multimedia ability...you'll see no Macromedia Flash player for the Palm T|T.

Additionally, from what I understand, this memory space is also used to temporarily hold the photos taken with the camera until the device has the time to write the file to the memory stick.

I **highly** recommend you purchase JackFlash from Brayder technology - it allows you to store a little over 3.5mb of applications into your unused FLASH ROM area, which basically puts you back to 16mb of application storage space...

With all of my regular apps in FLASH ROM, and most of the other stored away with PowerRun or running directly from the MS, and with me running Z-Launcher (and it's hoggish 1.2mb footprint), I still have over 6.1mb of true RAM free so that I can load 3-4mb Mapopolis files without thinking twice about it...

The NZ90, with JackFlash is almost the *perfect* pda for me now...

[mikegehl]

Thanks for the explanation, kkerriush! That's what I meant, but I just didn't know the terminology.

[YTTAN]

kkerruish was right. "Without this buffered space, the Clie wouldn't be able to run video, audio and Macromedia Flash " but i rather don't want the flash player - useless to me at least.

Sony should let us decide what to use and what not to use. For example, phonesms is useless to me too as bluetooth link to my Hp T68 always fail even had downloaded patchs from sony and else where. I still prefer OS 4.1 with T615c where i can throw away useless program like :

address/todolist/datebk - replace by agendus
memo/clie memo-OS5 - replace by wordsmith
card info / clie file -replace by mcfile
clie viewer / clie album-OS5 / photo stand-replace by acid image
calc / launcher - replace by megasoft
sound utlity/welcome - no need it.

flash player/photo editor/phone sms -OS5 only - no need it too.

At least can squeeze out 5MB more!!!!

For my case, with netfront(2.0mb) and some often apps is in FLASH ROM, and rest of the other apps stored with PowerRun or running directly from the MS.
Running on memory are MegaLauncher ( required 1.3MB)and picsel viewer(1.8MB) as well as cjkos(217kb)plus some docs and excel data files, I still have over 5.7mb of true RAM free.

[catgenie]

Thanks everybody for the responses. The problem is the NZ compatible version of Jackflash will only be available if you have a previously registered version of the software. I don't and I am not too comfortable just buying without first trying it out.

Kkerruish, what I understand from your post is the multimedia capability or photo buffer of the NZ will be compromised after allocating the flash RAM to store programs. But from actual usage, do you notice any lowering in performance?

Thanks!

[mikegehl]

catgenie,

A new version of JackFlash Light should be coming out soon. It's free and allows you to check exactly how much flash ROM you have available. You won't be able to move any apps between RAM and ROM, but it'll give you an idea of what the full version can do.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by the_iceman
Mike,

You can call it what you want .... ... but if you had true 16mb ROM and 16MB Ram ..... one should have 100% access to the RAM and have 16mb available.. and not 11mb. 5mb are taken up, and I think part of that is for installed APPS. I've been trying to find out where the other 5mb goes... and that is all I can come up with. I know what the web-site says...... but makes no sense to me.

If all PALM APPS were in the ROM which are 'standard' on a CLIE .... then there should be 16mb of available internal memory. Seems that 5mb of the internal memory has been 'stolen' by something else..... or maybe sony just misplaced the 5mb???? LOL

:)

I whole heatedly agree, if only 12 megs is available, then it shouldn't be advertised as 16 mb. I still feel Sony should be held accountable as trying to pull one over on us!

[oneeyesquare]

The NZ has about 3.3 megs of flash RAM. The NX has around 4 megs. We have some added programs in ours; bluetooth, SMS, etc. which probably account for the discrepancy...
A sfar as being a previously owner of Jackflash to get the beta, I bought my "old " copy last week and had the "beta" installed within 2 hours of that. It has worked flawlessly on my NZ. I placed Netfront and Picsel in flash . An added benefit is these same programs survived my hard reset snafu over the weekend. Making my reinstall chores a little easier... IMO, JAckflash is well worht the money!! I'm running around 6megs in RAM right now and previously had problems keeping over 2 megs. The rest of my apps are on the stick with Zlauncher. I don't mind the 2-3 second wait while it loads to RAM. Add a 512Meg stick and I'm gonna be VERY happy. ALL of my maps and I can finally throw a CD or two and a couple of short movies for downtimes.

[the_iceman]

easy enough to remove programs from FLASH area? Many a time we change our minds with what we want to run (sometimes hourly lol). One day.... it is Picsel Viewer. Next Day it is RepliGo. One day It is zLauncher, then MegaLauncher... and then YiShow etc. Fine to move them to flash.. but easy enough to remove and add other programs in their place?

[oneeyesquare]

I haven't tried... In the NX forum their are multiple threads on Jakcflash and they seem to be moving stuff in/out no problems. Software wise it's just a tap on the staus button to select where you want it and then a tap on the "Update" button to process your changes. I threw those two in there cuz there mem HOGS... Netfront will be in there til better comes along (sorry, N2IFP, PocketLink doesn't cut it...) and Picsel will be in there til I select one of the new programs that alllow native viewing AND editing of files. Most are due out fairly soon.

[the_iceman]

I think it was you OneEye .... who directed me to RepliGo? Nice replacement app for Picsel Viewer .... I'm still mulling over the $40 cost of it..... as far as if I really think it is worth $40 .... but it seems much better than Picsel. I can put in Viso Diagrams and view those. I like what RepliGo has done with putting in a print-driver for non-office applications. Only downside .....it is a viewer only. If they made it $25 I'd buy it. .... but $40 for a viewer seems a bit excessive.