jackflash beta?

[clieZilla2]

did the demo version of the jackflash beta ever come out? doesn't seem to have by the looks of their website... i'd like to get my hands on it to give it a try...

ps i did look through the other jackflash threads but they've gotten way too cumbersome to find anything in!!!

[rldunn]

The demo version is nothing to get excited about. Previous demo versions have let you use 64K of Flash only.

[fargusmax]

I too, am waiting patiently (as patiently as I can, drooling for an extra 4mb) for Brayder to release the full version. I don't want to go through the hoops to get a hold of the beta version (purchasing JF 2.x, then waiting a day, then requesting the link, then requesting the activation code.....). Hopefully very soon. Still disappointed about JackSprat, but oh well.

[sstrasser86]

so is it final that they won't ever be able to make jacksprat for NX?

[n2ifp]

Unless Sony has a change of heart.

[contempt]

the new purchase procedure from jackflash is not that painful. i purchased a new license from handango. then had to wait about 3 hours for my information to be part of the brayder database. after which, i received the information for upgrade and license. not too painful a wait, seeing how even after the final version comes out, you'll have to go through the same procedure and timeframe.

plus, i'm happily using my free 4.5 megs!

[LucretiaClie]

I had the same experience. It took me about a 30 minutes to go from buying Jack Flash on Handango to enjoying my 4 meg. I didn't realize it would be that easy.

[ayasin]

Just to be clear, those of us that bought a US version of the NX70 don't need JackSprat anyway right? Or do our Clie's also contain the multi language packs?

[YTTAN]

How i wish i can remove card reader / welcome / memopad / flash player / address / album / application launcher / cliew viewer / clie notepad / clie files / calculator / photo editor/ msbackup /datebk / photostand / sound utilites / to do list, just like what i had done to my T615.

The above mention useless programs was replace by wordsmiths / handstory / acid images / agendus / mcfile / megalauncher. except for flash and editor no replacement.

[stevek]

is the upgrade free or the nex tversion? if so I would buy the older version now to get the beta.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by stevek
is the upgrade free or the nex tversion? if so I would buy the older version now to get the beta.

They do free upgrades for six months (or maybe its a year, but I think its six months). Either way, if you buy the lastest full-release, 2.6, then go to their website and request the beta and serial number, you will get the upgrade. Took less than an hour for me to go from purcashing JackFlash 2.6 to getting my 3.0 beta and registration number.

[YTTAN]

I miss out the 'megacalc' to replace default calculator.

[fargusmax]

So it only takes a couple hours to be put into Brayder's DB eh? I may have to take the plunge. On my way to Handango now. Stupid Sony, let me delete Flash Player!!!

[pusfarm]

This is just pure speculation, but I wonder if Sony "leaned" on Brayder not to come out with JackSprat so that nobody messes with the ROM? 

On the other hand, if, as I seem to remember reading [or was I hallucinating?], it will work on the NZ then my speculation would make no sense.

[rldunn]

To clarify a few things:Originally posted by ayasin
Just to be clear, those of us that bought a US version of the NX70 don't need JackSprat anyway right? Or do our Clie's also contain the multi language packs? The first version of Jacksprat was only used to release the EFIGS files stored in RAM, which are language files available on European Palm OS devices. However, v2.0 of Jacksprat allowed other files stored in Flash to be deleted. Not every file, but pretty much any file that wouldn't harm the system if it was gone.So it only takes a couple hours to be put into Brayder's DB eh? I may have to take the plunge. On my way to Handango now. Stupid Sony, let me delete Flash Player!!!So you're not disappointed later, Jackflash does not allow you to DELETE any pre-installed files in Flash. That is what Jacksprat does, but there is not a version of Jacksprat for the NX, nor does it sound like there ever will be. Jackflash only allows you to move apps to and from the empty space that Sony didn't fill up in Flash (4479K).

[Alistar]

I seem to remember hearing that you need Jackflash on the Clie in order to use the programs you placed in the ROM. Is this correct.

[profvisor]

I'm starting to think I might be the only person who is too chicken to put stuff into ROM ;) I've got about 6 M free on my NX. Maybe if I had less... I don't know. Something about it just makes me nervous...

Bwak Bwak <-- me making chicken sounds

[clieZilla2]

i'm curious about one thing... why would i spend 30 beans (or is it 20?) on jackflash to free up 4 MB when I can get a 128 MB MS for 31.99 after rebate?

trying to make an arguement for myself to buy it :)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by profvisor
I'm starting to think I might be the only person who is too chicken to put stuff into ROM ;) I've got about 6 M free on my NX. Maybe if I had less... I don't know. Something about it just makes me nervous...

Bwak Bwak &lt;-- me making chicken sounds

Same here :)!

[calebsr2k]

This version of JackFlash works great and it is nice to have that extra room. I have about 8 meg of free Ram now thanks to JackFlash.:D

[jbarr]

Originally posted by clieZilla2
i'm curious about one thing... why would i spend 30 beans (or is it 20?) on jackflash to free up 4 MB when I can get a 128 MB MS for 31.99 after rebate?

trying to make an arguement for myself to buy it :) Under most situations, you probably don't need to spend the $20, because you could just as well use the Memory Stick. By using a launcher like ZLauncher or LauncehrX, you can leverage their excellent card handling capabilities to create a launcher environment that is completely seamless. ie: launching an app just "happens" and you don't need to worry about if it is on the MS or in RAM. This has worked excellently for me.

That said, installing apps into Flash has doen two specific things for me:

1. Apps in Flash launch faster.
I put DateBK5, BugMe, Doc2Go, HandStory, MathLib, MemoSafe, powerOne Finance, ProWord, and WonderSilk (WonderSilk, Kinu-Maru, and my WS-Aqua-05 skin) into Flash, and they load instantly--the same as if they were in RAM. I used to keep these on my Memory Stick and it took time to load them--not much time, but the delay was noticable.

2. More Free Space on the MS.
Another argument "for" is that by putting these apps in Flash, I don't need to keep them on the Memory Stick which frees up about 3Mb of the Memory Stick that I can use for other things. Granted, an additional 3Mb on a 128Mb Memory Stick may not be that much, but then again, it IS about enough space for one additional MP3 song!

I wouldn't consider JackFlash an "essential" program, but it is nice.

The only "negative" thought is that unlike FlashPro (which I just LOVED for my Palm Vx) if you do a hard reset, you need to use a program like FlashEnable to be able to access the apps put into Flash. Obviously, you would need to keep FlashEnable on your Memory Stick. FlashPro was unique in that Flash was available even after a hard reset. But, considering one rarely does a hard reset, this may be a non-issue.

[rldunn]

And the 3rd reason is that running apps off the MS eats batteries faster than running them from Flash or RAM. But if your system works fine, then there's probably no reason to go for this app.

[deadlyfoez]

4th reason. there are many apps that use databases that first move the DB into rom. And if you don't have the available space in rom then you can't open it. For example, repligo. ! have a 5 meg document that I can't view right now cause I don't have enough freed ram.

So obviously, jackflash can be a BIG help in that area.

Another reason (if already hasn't been said), it takes WWWAAAAYYYYYYYY longer to open an app from the MS. I don't put apps on my MS for that reason. I hate the wait.

My last reason, cause sony said that our nx's had 16 megs of ram, I WANT IT ALL, not just 11 megs

[profvisor]

deadlyfoes:

Doesn't Jackflash add programs to ROM? If your ROM is too full to run a program, how will adding more programs to it with Jackflash help? I think I'm missing something obvious. ;) And, isn't the missing 5M the "dynamic heap" used to run programs? I didn't think it had anything to do with what was in ROM (I thought that was a distinct system).

Question for whoever:
I'm still in the process of figuring out all the memory stuff. So, ROM=Flash, and the "dynamic heap" is the part of RAM we don't have available for storage because it is used to run programs?

[cbulock]

5th reason. The apps on the ROM act just like apps in RAM. You can still use Hotsync conduits, you can still map the hardware buttons to them. Some apps only see other apps that are in RAM. Even read-only databases that can't be seen on the MS can be seen in the ROM. So really, it's more like having an addition 4.5MB of RAM than 4.5MB of MS space.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by profvisor
Question for whoever:
I'm still in the process of figuring out all the memory stuff. So, ROM=Flash, and the "dynamic heap" is the part of RAM we don't have available for storage because it is used to run programs?

Thats right

[NR70V-o-holic]

Hello,

anyone out there tested jackflash beta on the
european version of the NX?

How much free Romspace is left on these NX´s?

Thanks

Noh

[NR70V-o-holic]

no european user?

I need to know if it´s worth buying it.
If there´s only left a few Kb´s on the european ones,
it´s definetly not worth it.

Noh

[YTTAN]

if i not wrong i saw it other threads said that only less than 100k left.

[mcoster]

I own a EU NX and just installed Jackflash b3. It gives me about 2566 KB of extra free space. So not the 4.5 Meg mentioned before, but definitely worthwile.

Also, I seem to have no problems running Launcher X form flash as mentioned in http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7379.

[NR70V-o-holic]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mcoster
[B]I own a EU NX and just installed Jackflash b3. It gives me about 2566 KB of extra free space. So not the 4.5 Meg mentioned before, but definitely worthwile.

thank´s very much,
just the info i needed

Noh

[YTTAN]

Sorry i mistaken it is the Jap version with only less than 100k.

[NR70V-o-holic]

After knowing there are 2.5Mb´s free, immidiatly
bought at Brayder and the whole procedure
till seeing it running on my NX lasts only half an hour.
Thumbs up for Brayder!!!!

Now I´ve "pumped" up the 2.5Mb Rom and everything
running fine. No errors or fatals.

Thank´s to Brayder, a very, very good piece of software.


Noh

[dmale7]

I now have 4.89Mb's free ram...I need to get more stuff!

[euroclie]

Originally posted by jbarr
The only "negative" thought is that unlike FlashPro (which I just LOVED for my Palm Vx) if you do a hard reset, you need to use a program like FlashEnable to be able to access the apps put into Flash. Obviously, you would need to keep FlashEnable on your Memory Stick. FlashPro was unique in that Flash was available even after a hard reset.
As I understand it, FlashPro modified the ROM to actually add the databases to the ROM card, whereas JackFlash creates a separate storage place in ROM to put the databases.

The good thing with JackFlash's approach is that if you do something stupid with your Flash ROM (i.e. putting a program there that will crash your device upon every reset), then performing a hard reset will let you recover a "clean" device (i.e. the addes databases are invisible to the system), and if you launch JackFlash then you can delete the offending program/database.

With FlashPro, since the content was visible after a hard reset, the programmers added a special reset mode that would let you boot without seing the added databases. If you didn't remember about this special reset, then you could have a bad time trying to remove the offending files from ROM! ;)

All in all, I like FlashPro, too, but unfortunately they have always neglected Sony PDA users, when Brayder's programmer are always trying to add the new devices released by Sony to the supported device list. Thumbs up for Brad for this OS5-compatible release! :)