1src Forums - I Have Seen The Light, I Have Converted To Vorbis

JackAxe

01-10-2005, 05:07 AM

seraphim_9:11

01-10-2005, 05:41 AM

OGG is the complete opposite of a format like Apple Lossless. It excels at low bit rates like 64kbs providing a better sound then other formats. But if you have the storage space of an iPod or cringe at any type of compression like me, then it's an unnecessary format. But for a PDA with only a few hundred megs of storage it's a great choice.

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I agree there - I found that the mp3s that i had converted to 1/7 the size when I changed them to ogg vorbis - I'm not very sure about the bit rate that they had but there was no noticeable loss of quality - in fact I couldnt tell the difference ... I prefer to convert them to ogg for my Clie - though you will need Pocket tunes to play them and there is a hack (i forget what it is) ... to load Pocket tunes :)

Homie S

01-10-2005, 12:54 PM

Interesting, I was trying to compare different formats, whether DRM or not, and found some some speculation that Windows Media 9 lossless is higher quality than Mp3 or AAC. Vorbis seems to take the cake though, as well as mpc which seems to be the just about the same quality.

RD100

01-10-2005, 02:28 PM

A good freeware program for creating OGG files from MP3 is MP3 2 Ogg Lab 2003 (http://www.mp3surgeon.com/).

While it is better to create OGG directly from the original CD, if your entire music collection is already in MP3 format, this utility lets you quickly create OGG files directly from the MP3s.

I do this just to just quickly fill up an SD card to use in my PDA, and I can select whatever songs I want at that moment, rather than converting my entire collection.

The OGG files are much smaller than the MP3s, and I don't notice much of a difference between the MP3 and the OGG created from it.

Always keep in mind, that music quality is subjective to each individual. Not everyone has the same opinion on what sounds good to them. I find MP3s at 128k to be acceptable. Others prefer 192k and higher.

Homie S

01-10-2005, 03:47 PM

A good freeware program for creating OGG files from MP3 is MP3 2 Ogg Lab 2003 (http://www.mp3surgeon.com/).
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Always keep in mind, that music quality is subjective to each individual. Not everyone has the same opinion on what sounds good to them. I find MP3s at 128k to be acceptable. Others prefer 192k and higher.

Very important. I still use mp3s at 192k because it's widely acceptable and I can use it on my iPod. Vorbis and mpc formats cannot be played on most mp3 players (iPod included).

NJL!2016

01-10-2005, 05:16 PM

I'm very happy with my 128k WMAs. If it's a song I really like, I'll rip it to 160k

mike p

01-10-2005, 06:31 PM

im fine with 48k wma (vorbis soo

zackepceo

01-10-2005, 07:10 PM

I can't bear to listen to less than 128k AAC. I rip all my CDs at 256k AAC for maximum mmm.

mike p

01-10-2005, 07:48 PM

u and ur high bit rates

treffmeister

01-10-2005, 09:37 PM

Me? 224kbs-1 Ogg Vorbis and, if it's a really good disc, FLAC lossless on my iAudio. (Blows the ipod clear out of the water in every aspect except gayness).

zackepceo

01-10-2005, 10:24 PM

That's a good way to be flamed there. In all tests, a third generation iPod has the highest audio quality of any MP3 player out on the market. Recording Ogg at high bitrates is pointless. The only gains are below 128kbps.

RD100

01-10-2005, 10:29 PM

Why must these harmless threads about MP3 audio quality always degenerate into a flaming "battle of the geeks" ? http://www.1src.com/forums/images/smilie/images/smilies/tongue.gif

It's as if people are trying boost their own egos, and define just how "special" they are, by the bit rate they choose for their MP3 recording.

All people are different. We don't all have the same needs. Some people want smaller sized files, and are happy with the sound quality of MP3's recorded at 128k. There is no reason to criticize a persons choice in a lower bit rate just because their audio needs aren't the same as yours.

Homie S

01-10-2005, 10:30 PM

That's a good way to be flamed there. In all tests, a third generation iPod has the highest audio quality of any MP3 player out on the market.
Even over the 4th gen?

zackepceo

01-10-2005, 10:53 PM

The 4th gen has problems with a hiss in the audio, as well as case grounding issues.

treffmeister

01-11-2005, 02:04 AM

Let's not forget: these audio tests "selectively" include and exclude certain players - for example my iAudio.. find a credible test with that and the iPod in it, and it will turn in the iAudio's favour.. not to mention when the DSP is used on it - better sound than my (top-of-the-line) home amp.
There is a reason Apple has not realeased the iPod's SNR!

Homie S

01-11-2005, 02:10 AM

The 4th gen has problems with a hiss in the audio, as well as case grounding issues.

Oh really? I did not know this. Do you have anything to back that up?

I'm a 3rd gen iPod owner, but I was suprised to hear this.

EDIT:
Let's not forget: these audio tests "selectively" include and exclude certain players - for example my iAudio.. find a credible test with that and the iPod in it, and it will turn in the iAudio's favour.. not to mention when the DSP is used on it - better sound than my (top-of-the-line) home amp.
There is a reason Apple has not realeased the iPod's SNR!

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GET. OUT.

treffmeister

01-11-2005, 05:35 AM

Sorry, due to the lack of construction in your criticism, I have not understood what you are rebutting. If by "GET. OUT.", you mean to say that what I said was incorrect, perhaps you could have backed it up.

First, find one page - any legitimate source - where Apple officially states the iPod's Signal/Noise Ratio (a basic measure of sound quality provided by <i>all</i> other device manafacturers. Good luck, you may need coffee.

Maybe my comment about "selective" exclusion was a little OTT, however there is no doubt that key players are not included in many of these tests.

My iAudio has had 20 feature-filled and bug fixing firmware updates - including support for more formats such as FLAC on top of Ogg Vorbis - since I bought it, let alone the fact that one has to spend over $200 on accessories on an iPod to bring it up to the same spec (voice record, 14+h battery incl. a 35h model, case, cradle, decent earphones, ability to upload to another computer, etc.)

Homie S

01-11-2005, 01:42 PM

See that troll? That's what you are. You're in the wrong thread to argue what audio player is better. Did you read the thread title and the other posts? It's about audio formats. I don't care if your audio player is able to bring back the dead and then make then go to a Ashlee Simpson concert, go make another thread saying "My iAudio is the supreme being of earth and none of you will be able to stop it" and then leave this thread. I'm serious, you can brag all you want about it in the other thread and I wont even breathe on you, but you're starting to derail the thread with your retarded "OMG IPODS DON'T HAVE THEIR SNR AVAILIBLE OBVIOUSLY IAUDIO IS BETTER DONT YOU SEE DONT YOU SEE DONT YOU SEE"

someone PM me when we get this thread rolling again.

TheBigBradWolf

01-12-2005, 03:23 PM

Aeroplayer has a plugin to play ogg...

Tam Hanna

01-13-2005, 01:39 PM

Oh man-here are my reasons for Ogg:
1)No support for the MP3 developer *****es. He released the codec for free in the beginning and started charging extraordinary prices once it was established-thats what I call ARSON!
2)Better quality at all bitrates IMHO. 64k is superb on my Tungsten T3
3)Players cost less/are free. Most unregistered players keep on playing ogg altough they nag a bit....

Only one weakness imho:
Bigger memory impact for codec...

TheBigBradWolf

01-14-2005, 11:19 PM

yeah that's the major thing for me...depends on how much music I have on my clie...no reason to take 2 or 3 MB to save 2 or 3 MB on a couple of songs....but if(when) I get another memory stick then it's definately to vorbis I go.

Karim

01-15-2005, 02:36 AM

In all tests, a third generation iPod has the highest audio quality of any MP3 player out on the market.

No. Not even close.

Anyway, I find that Ogg is nice but only to save space. At higher bitrates, MP3 actually gives the same or better audio quality. As you lower the bitrate, the quality returns degenerate... but that has always been a common fact of MP3 audio. I don't listen to low-quality or even normal/regular/acceptable-quality music, so Ogg is less of a wondertoy for me personally. MP3 is also more versatile between devices at the moment (be it for fair reasons or not).

Tam Hanna

01-15-2005, 07:17 AM

Well, but ogg is free...
I feel that Ogg quality at low bitrates is superb, and increasing bitrate can only increase quality...

JackAxe

01-15-2005, 05:42 PM

OGG is da king of low bit rates, but anything below lossless makes my ears bleed, so no OGG for me. This excludes MP3 also, since even at it's highest bit rate, it still produces compression artifacts. :)

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seraphim_9:11

01-16-2005, 08:47 AM

have any of you guys tried ogg files on your Clie (- I se pocket tunes) ... there is absolutely no difference in the MP3s and OGGs. maybe it was at a low bit rate but I liked it .... I personally dont keep a favourite format - I found that the sound depends too heavily on the player itself ... some would support certain formats - others wouldnt - while listening to OGG files on the Clie is great/OGG files are useless for the IPod... IMPO - i go with the gadget(hardware) I have and find out what the best is for it and use that if I can ... :)