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[Badandy]

Just to let everyone know it is coming. I have a source that has been reliable in the past.

It (the source) thinks that it will have more RAM. That is a rumor.

-300 MHz processor
-32 MB ram (said above, speculation)
-1 megapixel camera
-Maybe built in bluetooth



Just look for it, and just wanted to get it to your attention. Just don't flame me if it doesn't come soon

[n2ifp]

As I have said before, more new gee whiz models will be coming out, so this should be no surprise to anyone. BTW, it won't be the last. We just keep making Sony richer.

[OcellNuri]

If it's 32 meg and 300mhz.. they can have my money. :D

[jermstan]

dun think I nid the speed.

the memory and better camera resolution wud be fine tho'

[sstrasser86]

yeah i agree i also could use the bluetooth

[studentdoc]

fo'get da blootoof, yo. Dun nid that stinkin shiznit, B.

Uh, excuse me... I mean, I don't care about bluetooth but I would welcome the other things. I would buy something like this the moment it came out.

(And some plainly typed English. Is it that difficult?):confused:

[YTTAN]

I prefer to have 64 or 128mb ram and 400mhz just like PPC from hp ipaq 5450.

Bluetooth is not so important as only Sonyericsson phone T68/T68i got it. But i just change to Nokia 7210 without any bluetooth function. (Unless in future bluetooth is common in all Hp)

Why only 1 mega camera? NZ 90 got 2 mb now! Either 2mb at least or don't add in at all as it will make the whole PDA heavier and bulkier.

Actually Sony can make NX60 (without cam) smaller than NX70 (with cam), it just that they are too lazy to bother about it.

[reggae]

i'm just curious how these "reliable" sources always provide sketchy details like "maybe" built-in blu2th

[CosmicBlend]

I will check the Best Buy databases tommorow at work to see if they have any info on this..

the 32mb seems to good to be true..

[MerlinW]

of course the next big question, is,

what about the cf slot?

[rhart00]

Originally posted by reggae
i'm just curious how these "reliable" sources always provide sketchy details like "maybe" built-in blu2th

I know right. comes from an unregistered user too

[YTTAN]

Memory stick pro will price drop in future or third parties product(lexar) will come out the same product with lower price.

CF slot is for slower CF memory only.(Will it be coming???)
If really need to use it why Sony don't follow the style of ipaq with CF slot adaptor since not all people using it?
Personally feel that it is too bulky to travel along.

I rather Sony design another 1 or 2 slot for MS(128ms is cheaper) on top or side of the Clie for those people who feel ms pro are too expenisve.

[YTTAN]

Hope there is an NX85V...

[yOyOYoo]

Me too and I hope it comes out soon or I will be forced to get the TG50 or NX60...

[yOyOYoo]

some pictures would be nice...

[giorgos_gs]

Another roumor saying that there will be not 32mb ram but 16 free. (Not 11 free like NX)

[Importluva]

LOL I love how everyones already jumpin on this rumored device :p

I also love how people are saying that if a new model doesn't come out soon, then they will be "forced" to buy an already existing model :)

NO ONE'S FORCING YOU TO BUY A CLIE!!!!

we all know that its just the best you can get :D

[YTTAN]

Sorry for giving the wrong idea to you. Actually what i mean is only 'nice outlook phone' like SonyEricsson T68/T68i...



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Originally posted by silencer


you forgot the Siemens C55... also Bluetooth...


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[nx70]

Well Siemens has another phone the S55 with built in Blu2th(it also provides a camera with flash and VGA-resolution)
Then the Nokia 6310i has built in blu2th also. It is rated the best phone today- according to "connect" a german magazin. But I would rathr stick to the T68i(I did it alreay :p ) for it is the one with the most possibilities.
And there will be more phones with it after the Cebit.
Now I really hate my NX70 not having Blu2th. I am considering the TT to buy, but in the end the bigger screen and the in-built camera(and all the other multimedia functions) do it for me.
So if they release a new model they should add blu2th.

Maybe one day we have a Sony-Palm handheld..

[khyasad]

As ImportLuva clearly says, no one is forcing anyone to buy a new clie. The fact that we own the NX70 now and then comment how willing we are to buy the next model when it comes out means either we have more money than sense or very true gadget lovers :)

I am a big gadget lover and am in awe constantly of the new gadgets that get released and are on the horizon ...

Over Xmas, I kept telling myself *not* to buy the NX70 as my trusty 2 yr old N770 was fulfilling all my needs.

My birthday happens to be end of January and I thought I'd treat myself and buy the NX70, transfer everything from the N770 to the NX70 and see how it goes ...

What I didn't realise was how *useful* the NX70 became with the additional facilities it provides ... The N770 was a true PDA, did everything to assist me at work ... However the NX70 brought so much added value (more in the entertainment side) that I am left wondering what more could I ask for ? true, more onboard memory would be great (you can never have enough storage), but by maximising what I have today, I feel the next PDA I buy will need be as dramatically different as the NX70 is from the N770 ...

Anyways, please do look deep inside and consider what you have now and then decide to go for the the next one if your needs are not being met ... It's always nice to have the latest & greatest (I've been on that road many a time), hell, it's a great feeling owing them, but at the same time having the latest isn't always the best :)

In any case, I'm continuing to keep looking out for announcements, if only to see what developements are being made :)

my 2 cents ...

[n2ifp]

Yep, the rumors are a flying. Nothing has been announced yet and some are cruel for starting these rumors. Whatever happens, happens :)!

[CosmicBlend]

n2ifp, you know you would love it though if the rumors become true. I know i will love it, but as you said whatever happens happens. :D

[nx70]

Hm,
some of us seem to own a Clié not for its usefullness, but for its OWNING. For boasting in public I think.
Aren't we satisfied with our Cliés?
What is the further need for a new one?
A microwave oven included?
"Beam me up Scotty"-functionality (Oh I would love that!).
In my opinion we are sharing our thoughts on the Clié 'cause we do love them.
So I love my new NX70 and wouldn't swap for any other- although it lacks some minor features, though.

[Badandy]

It doesnt come from unregistered. it is me

[Badandy]

I am not cruel for starting them n2ifp. It is not rumors. The source is just shady on bluetooth

[studentdoc]

Any idea when a replacement for the NX70 will be released? I want to upgrade my T615 but I am waiting for the next versions. Just curious how long I have to wait.

[intruder]

nx70, I definitely agree with you...

I have my issues with my NX but I surely love it... it's better looking than any other PDA in the market (even the NZ, butt ugly in my opinion once I could hold one at Fry's)...

I came from Palm to CLIÉ because they're just impressing... both in capabilities and in looks...

my $0.02

[reggae]

forgive me badandy, but i've been a gearhead and computer engineer for the majority of my life. many things are seen in boolean logic (true/false)

if one part of it is shady, i have to believe all or most of it is shady. someone that has that kind of info would have clear info. when sony designs a product to the level of giving it a MODEL NUMBER they already know for certain what features it's gonna have. they don't go "hmmmm... let's make an nx85v and we'll decide what it'll have on the backend."

[yOyOYoo]

badandy, where is ur source anyways?

Also I do feel I need to upgrade cuz my NR70v is literally falling apart! I don't know how long it can hold itself together... =(

[Badandy]

I understand reggae.

I know what you mean, but I really can't say anything else. I can tell you I am not the source, and he told me that it may or may not have bluetooth on it. I know you are skeptical, and that is alright.

I just wanted to bring this to your attention, and I guess I shouldnt have posted it. But I thought you guys would like to know.



Sorry about the shady part, I did not talk with him for that long about it.



L8R

[sstrasser86]

no i love when peopl post rumors

[n2ifp]

Without concrete information, it only tortures people. We all know more models are coming, so what's the point of saying anything unless you can tell us all about it. Rumors just lead to false hopes.

[Rick 098]

Originally posted by yOyOYoo
badandy, where is ur source anyways?

Also I do feel I need to upgrade cuz my NR70v is literally falling apart! I don't know how long it can hold itself together... =(

some people say NR has a plastic type case. True?
Nx has a sturdy meatal one.
my 0.0100022 cents

[LiquidSnake]

'Bluetooth is not so important as only Sonyericsson phone T68/T68i got it' ?
Are you sure? How aobut : R520m,T39 and P800 and few other SE phones?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Rick 098


some people say NR has a plastic type case. True?
Nx has a sturdy meatal one.
my 0.0100022 cents

Only the portion that has the keyboard is metal, the rest of the NX's case is metalized plastic.

[YTTAN]

Hi LiquidSnake, sorry for the misunderstanding that i had create as it is due to my poor English.

I prefer sonyericsson at first is because of the unqiue function which if i not wrong, no phone got this function yet.

This unqiue function i refer is we can see the faces of the callers or any images which you can transfer from palm OS program wherever your friend or relatives call you.

I been waiting for MS bluetooth's price to drop, but too bad in my country there is no sign of dropping since last year. It is even increase the price by extra 1% good service tax set by our government.

And now i tired of it due to it's speed when you try to send sms fast. That why i switch back to Nokia with even nicer appearance(personal taste).

[Steve T]

Originally posted by n2ifp


Only the portion that has the keyboard is metal, the rest of the NX's case is metalized plastic.

Really?? The SonyStyle website calls it an "elegant magnesium casing"

And the specs sheet says "(This) new CLIE handheld incorporates magnesium casing for durability and elegant look."

It certainly looks like metal on my NX70V...

[YTTAN]

Steve T is right as i can feel coolness when touch on the casing in air-condition room or cold weather/temperature.

Do plastic's characteristic is the same with Magnesium???

[goyanian]

it sounds placstic to me...

[YTTAN]

Maybe due to the fact that it is metal alloy not pure steel metal. Do Aluminium sound like plastic too?

[sstrasser86]

if u try really hard it does :D

[n2ifp]

Just the base frame is metal, if it was all metal, it would be a lot heavier. There was some pictures that used to be on the web of the insides, but the link is gone now. The casing is plastic with a metalized coating to match. Now would Sony stretch the truth...

[lenrodman]

i'm waiting for 64mb ram, gps, gprs, cell phone, vibration, better camera (1mpxl is enough, though 2-4 would rock) before buying. Until then, my NR70v is good enough! They aren't getting any more of my money until they release a cell phone version (it'll have to have GPS due to E911 regs anyway, and a piezoelectric vibrator takes up NO space, I donno whats up with the BS with "oh there wasn't enough space in the nr70v")

[Badandy]

n2ifp-Dang right it would be heavier. Instead of 8 oz. or whatever it is, it would be like 12 oz or something. That would be horrible

lenrodman- I believe you'll be waiting a while.

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Just the base frame is metal, if it was all metal, it would be a lot heavier. There was some pictures that used to be on the web of the insides, but the link is gone now. The casing is plastic with a metalized coating to match. Now would Sony stretch the truth...

I've taken a NR appart and I can assure you that the case is metal. Plastic is not that sturdy. Magnesium is a very light metal, and the case is very thin... that's how the unit is still light. I am confident that both the NR and NX have magnesium casings.

[YTTAN]

Well said. OcellNuri.

[quiller]

Another roumor saying that there will be not 32mb ram but 16 free. (Not 11 free like NX)
well, unless Sony is planning on either a) hacking OS5.x to destruction or b) releasing OS6 by themselves, you aren't going to see more than 16mb. OS5.x is limited to only 16mb internal. maybe Sony will come up with a way to free up some memory, seeing as how the T|T has 15mb free... of course, the T|T sucks, soo...

[YTTAN]

I was wonder is more memory in ram will consume more battery when compare to Palm Vx 8mb and PPC 64mb?

[bluguru]

I think OS 5.2 allows more than 16 MB memory.

[YTTAN]

I thought OS 5.2 diff with 5.0 is graffti 2.0 only.

[rob_squared]

I think something's up if OS 4.1 devices can take 32MB of ram...

[YTTAN]

That remind me that there is a site for OS 4.1 to be upgrade to 32mb at a fee. That is mean OS 5 shouldn't be a problem for that. I think Sony just want to influence us to buy their MS.

[Steve T]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Just the base frame is metal, if it was all metal, it would be a lot heavier...

Well, no, that's the point of using magnesium. Here's a reference I found (www.dynacast.com)...

Magnesium is the ideal material for applications where weight saving is a priority, having the lowest density of all structural metals. Almost as light in weight as plastic, magnesium has the advantage of greater strength and rigidity along with inherent EMI shielding, durability, heat-dissipation and full recyclability.

Magnesium's greatest potential lies in handheld electronic devices, from mobile phones to mini-disc players, and cameras to PDAs, especially with the emission and interference suppression requirements of Internet connectivity.

Minimising weight in handheld devices is a key requirement for shields and frames with precisely cast thin walls providing EMI shielding and integrated features for positioning electronic components. Magnesium also accepts a wide range of fashionable finishes.

[LiquidSnake]

YTTAN : ;) You must see my countrys prices ;) Btw: My English is probably worse of the board :D

[TheGonz]

OS5 and 32mb must be possible. Garmin has a tablet-factor pda coming up with OS5 and GPS internal (software and antenna). It also has 32mb RAM:). Look at this URL: http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/#.

I bet that if we all went to Garmin then Sony would release all necessary information to implement CF and JackSprat!! Otherwise we wouldn't buy any MS anyway...

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Steve T


Well, no, that's the point of using magnesium. Here's a reference I found (www.dynacast.com)...

Magnesium is the ideal material for applications where weight saving is a priority, having the lowest density of all structural metals. Almost as light in weight as plastic, magnesium has the advantage of greater strength and rigidity along with inherent EMI shielding, durability, heat-dissipation and full recyclability.

Magnesium's greatest potential lies in handheld electronic devices, from mobile phones to mini-disc players, and cameras to PDAs, especially with the emission and interference suppression requirements of Internet connectivity.

Minimising weight in handheld devices is a key requirement for shields and frames with precisely cast thin walls providing EMI shielding and integrated features for positioning electronic components. Magnesium also accepts a wide range of fashionable finishes.

Well, okay, so it would be only a little heavier and a little pricier :).

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by CosmicBlend
n2ifp, you know you would love it though if the rumors become true. I know i will love it, but as you said whatever happens happens. :D

Sure I would, but why drool over something that doesn't exist yet, that we can see, feel, and touch:)?

[sstrasser86]

we care to much about this

[sstrasser86]

but also locates and routes you to them with voice-guidance commands!

does that mean u can talk to it or it yaps at you?

[CosmicBlend]

My 200th post! woohoo!

[YTTAN]

Congratulate to you!!!

[CosmicBlend]

thanks :D

[euroclie]

Originally posted by quiller
OS5.x is limited to only 16mb internal.

I don't think so. The Garmin iQue 3600 PDA has 32Mb RAM and it runs Palm 0S 5, according to Garmin's web page:
Garmin iQue 3600 (http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/)

[euroclie]

Originally posted by YTTAN
That remind me that there is a site for OS 4.1 to be upgrade to 32mb at a fee.
As far as I could remember, they implemented an "Enhanced RAM Disk Driver (ERDD)", which makes the additional 16 MB of memory act like an SD Card or Memory Stick, because OS4.x devices could not handle more than 16Mb of RAM without heavy OS hacking.
(see the PalmInfoCenter (http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_Story.asp?ID=3985) review for details).

[EZCLIE]

I believe OS5.2 can support more than 16 meg of ram . I remember reading about it when they announced the update to OS5.2. Also the Garmin is using 16 meg of ram for maping software. It is like a memory card type memory that is built into the PDA. So it does have 32 meg but 16 of it is usable.

-Ed

[Eric S]

Originally posted by EZCLIE
Also the Garmin is using 16 meg of ram for maping software. It is like a memory card type memory that is built into the PDA. So it does have 32 meg but 16 of it is usable.

-Ed

Aout of curiosity, has anyone confirmed this, and if so, with whom? I've seem too many rumors to blindly accept this.

[Sicarius]

Here is what the documentation at PalmSource has to say about PalmOS's memory capability:

The Palm OS system software is designed around a 32-bit architecture. The system uses 32-bit addresses, and its basic data types are 8, 16, and 32 bits long.

The 32-bit addresses available to software provide a total of 4 GB of address space for storing code and data. This address space affords a large growth potential for future revisions of both the hardware and software without affecting the execution model. Although a large memory space is available, Palm OS was designed to work efficiently with small amounts of RAM. For example, the first commercial Palm Powered handheld has less than 1 MB of memory, or 0.025% of this address space.
Quoted from: http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/docs/palmos/Memory.html#996034

Yes, you read that right. PalmOS should be able to support up to 4GB of memory. I have no idea what's keeping us at 16MB.

[lenrodman]

they want to sell expansion cards. the memory is a gimmick.
it'd be ridiculous if they wrote a whole new OS from scratch almost (OS5) and didn't allow for more than 16mb of memory.

[codabob]

I heard that the NX85W will do my laundry. Im waiting and the clothes are stacked half way u p the wall...

[Badandy]

OK. I dont believe so.

[Steve T]

On the subject of 16 MB limit, I note that Samsung has announced the SHG-i500

http://www.brighthand.com/article/Samsung_Announces_SGH-i500

32 MB RAM, 32 MB ROM, Palm OS 5.2

Cheers
Steve T

[ashVID]

Badandy isnt breaking any news here.... this device has been rumored for a while. Why are people getting worked up? We all know Sony likes to release frequent updates that are bridge models between actual technological advances. The way to beat the game is to stay a step behind them. Just got my new NX70v for $359 with no tax. I am sure the NX80 or 85 will be $500 or more but just not worth the upgrade for me. Wait until there is a TRUE upgrade like a different OS. In a way it is like upgrading from a 2ghz processor to a 3ghz, does it make your computer more enjoyable? Remember the key to most computer hardware is the software that supports it. If a new unit comes out, it will be a while before there are softs to take advantage of it. Most developers just wont bother with such a niche device and make software that supports older devices as well.... JMHO...



ash =o)

[Badandy]

Actually, this was posted quite a while ago while people were just imagining a new device. Look at the date, and look at the brighthand and Cliesource article date

[ashVID]

2 weeks ago? This rumor has been floating around for over a month... The Brighthand article was OLD news and was slammed for such... My "source" at my local Staples told me right after the NZ came out that he thought the NX would be on clearance soon because Sony might release a new model...

ash =o)

[legion]

I want built in Wifi like the Tungsten C or I may as well just get an NX70 . Bluetooth Bah!

[clie_wannabe]

id rather have built-in wifi, and NO built-in keyboard (which is a big extra weight/bulk to my nx)

[legion]

Thank you clie_wannabe! Kill the keyboard!

[goyanian]

then why did you buy nx?

[Kleejam]

I like the large screen and the camera. Bluetooth and Wifi with more mem would be nice. The keyboard is of little use to me (too small for speedy text entry).

[clie_wannabe]

Originally posted by goyanian
then why did you buy nx?

- the large screen, especially HRes+
- faster cpu
- the camera and voice recorder
- cf communications slot
- customizability due to virtual graffiti
- time for an upgrade from my n750c
- have dough to spend

[lenrodman]

and it (was) the only vgraf handheld out there (i may just buy a garmin ique if sony doesn't shape up and put a cell phone and gps in their next NR/NX/NZ handheld, plus CF slot, plus WIFI, plus BT, plus at least 32, maybe 64mb internal memory)
damn u sony for your ****ty MS crap to sell MS - I want more internal! I want a cell! WTF is wrong with you?

[fjl307]

Why doesnt SOny just throw in a HD like in the Apple IPOD??

[Kleejam]

A HD would add to the weight, detract from the battery life, and increase the fragility. If they simply allowed the CF slot to accept microdrives, the option would be available if needed by a particular user.