Kinoma 3 and Mmplayer Won't Play Nice

[HBL]

Mmplayer is crashing my T3 when I try to play mp4 videos converted by Kinoma Producer. I suspect that Kimona is using a proprietary codec that will only work in their player. Conversly when I try to play Junglemike's Star Wars sample video for the T3 in the Kinoma player it runs for about 30 seconds than shuts down.

Isn't there any standardization for mp4? :confused:

[Fishie_Flop]

Isn't there any standardization for mp4? :confused:

Nope, too manny STANDARDS out there.

[Zork]

HBL, yep, there is only one MPEG 4 codec out there. Its the one which is licensed by Apple and Kinoma from Frauenhofer IIS. Everything else claiming that it uses MPEG 4 just uses MPEG 4 containers and isnt the official MPEG 4 codec at all (thats the prob with JungleMikes video)

If you got any problems with Kinoma Producer perhaps you using the wrong version of Quicktime Pro with your PC. Another source of probs could be that your Palm is slow or got little heap mem. But your T3 shouldnt have any of the mentioned probs.
You dont even have to use Kinoma Producer 3 to encode MPEG 4 movies. Simply use applications which are Quicktime compatible (cause Kinoma Producer 3 also simply uses the MPEG 4 codec built into Quicktime). Just be aware of limitations like appr.256 KB/sec for the video stream and appr. 56 KB/sec for audio stream. And indeed anything above 480 * 320 would be useless as movie resolution for your tungsten T3 ;) .

The kewl fact bout this is, when you use the only licensed MPEG 4 codec avail out there, that you could play your movie everywhere (beside PPCs, but you could play them with your Palm, with your Windows and Mac PC, with your Sony PSP and your Nintendo Gameboy Advance and Nintendo DS - simply cause MPEG 4 is industry standard).

[Fishie_Flop]

http://abma.x-maru.org/faq/annotated/formats.mpeg4.php

Due to the many different MPEG4 codecs, however, it is often necessary to perform many codec installations in order to support them all.

MPEG4v1, v2, v3 [darkwire, Keikai, ed.]
These three codecs were the first MPEG4 codecs used. Because better codecs that are also freely available are now present, these codecs should no longer be used for new encodes. It is, however, still necessary to install some or all of these codecs depending on your operating system to support older encodes.

The official Microsoft links are as follows:

Windows Media Tools http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/technologies/tools.asp#Downloads
Windows Media General Infos http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/en/default.asp
Windows Media for Mac http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mediaplayer/en/download/macintosh.asp
The best site for practical information and codec downloads for MPEG4 is http://www.undercut.org/msmpeg4/.

[Zork]

Fishie_flop, there is exactly one MPEG 4 codec out there. And its supported by Quicktime and Kinoma, cause they are licensees from the Frauenhofer IIS. Everything else just uses the MPEG 4 container. There are even trials to reverse engineer the MPEG 4 standard codec done by Frauenhofer IIS. When it comes to MPEG 4 audio only, they are even partial succesful as the AAC project shows, which makes it for the first time possible that PPCs are at least partial compatible to AAC sound streams (PPCs are stil not able to play MPEG 4 video streams, but sooner or later some company surely will license the MPEG 4 video decoder for PPCs too).

And one important fact : Microsoft is one of the few companies which never ever supported MPEG 4 (cause they even hated it as much, as to destroy it - source of DivX then). So please dont post Microsoft links when you talk bout the MPEG 4 topic. If you like to use MPEG 4 on your PC or on your Mac simply download Quicktime for free :

http://www.apple.com/quicktime

And if you like to playback MPEG 4 movies on your Palm, download the new Kinoma Player :

http://www.kinoma.com/downloadhome.html

[Fishie_Flop]

Urm MPEG4 IS a container, an OPEN one at that with input from all partners.
Whats being liscenced from Fraunhofer are some routines, Fraunhofer didnt develop MPEG4.

Check up on it.

[junglemike]

Conversly when I try to play Junglemike's Star Wars sample video for the T3 in the Kinoma player it runs for about 30 seconds than shuts down.
If you talking about the files i put in kinoma<->Xvid comparison page - than those files are exactly 30 seconds long ( this is the time unregistered kinoma kindly allows me to encode).