No Flash! Oh Well.

[kennyd]

Before I purchased the SJ33 I went to the Sony website to confirm that the rom was flash upgradable.  I was so excited when I saw the spec that stated 4mb of flash rom.  I purchased the unit and realized that the same deployment was done with the SJ33 as was done with the SJ30.  American units do not have the flash, or at least mine doesn't.  The 4 mb of flash probably only applies to Asian and European units.  I should have ordered a European unit and I still can if I want.  Best Buy will give me 30 days.  Has anyone seen any European pricing on the SJ33.  Can anyone confirm that the European units have the flash.  I know it's only 2mb of extra usable flash beyond the os but it would be worth it to me if the price is fair and shipping time is within reason.

[AlbertLu]

I share your pain.

Apparently even some Asian version of Clie (or at least SJ30) are without flash ROM.

I bought my SJ-30 last year from SonyStyle Malaysia. The web site clearly stated it is with flash ROM. Upon receiving my unit I did a quick check with Jacklash. No dice. Sent an email to SonyStyle Msia, which responded with a apology saying that there was an error on their web sites. Next thing I know, SonyStyle Msia updated their web page for SJ-30.

I am still keeping the screen capture of the original websites. Really tempted to make a case out of this for false ads... ;)

[XWolf]

i have an ameriacan, with flashrom, (i know, i broke the flash)

[El Maquinas]

Hi,

A friend owns an European SJ33 with Flash ROM (8MB of Flash ROM), but I'm not sure if all European models have Flash ROM as I only saw one. Before buying one ask teh seller for test JackFlash before with the Clié and tell you how much Flash ROM free space they have (the demo lets you use 64 KB), if jackflash doesn't works it will simply quit and tell the user that the device is not supported.

I've personally owned the following Clié models on wich I sucessfully used JackSprat and JackFlash:
- SL10 (European model) 8MB Flash & 8MB RAM (I got about 5MB of free flash)
- T625 (European model) 8MB Flash & 16MB RAM (I got a similar free flash space as with the SL10)
- T665/C (USA model) 4MB Flash & 16MB RAM (I got 1.5 MB of free flash), I'm not sure if all T665 models have Flash ROM. This model is similar to the SJ33 in some points.

Regards.

[suppaman]

mmm what about SJ20 ?

I didn't ever tried to use Jackflash as I knew it had no flash..

Maybe it is better give it a try, isn't it ?

[suppaman]

Not for the faint of heart..

I launched JackSprat Demo just to see what (and if at all) I could remove from flash, I didn't remove anything and the program asked to reset.
I made it twice, on second reset screen went blank and it did nothing. I tried soft and hard reset and got no results.

I hard-resetted till I came back. I think I'll stay with my actual flash.

[El Maquinas]

Not for the faint of heart..

I launched JackSprat Demo just to see what (and if at all) I could remove from flash, I didn't remove anything and the program asked to reset.
I made it twice, on second reset screen went blank and it did nothing. I tried soft and hard reset and got no results.

I hard-resetted till I came back. I think I'll stay with my actual flash.

Hi,

Remember that not all SL/SJ models have FLASH ROM, I own two SL10 one from the USA and the otherone is European, the SL10 from the USA has only 4MB ROM no Flash but the European SL10 has 8MB of FLASH ROM. Both models are different inside, they have different board circuits layouts. This may apply to other Cliés like the SJ line.

I can only recomend you to test JackFlash before, in demo mode it will let you use 64KB of the unused space of your SJ20 suposing it has Flash ROM. If it doesnt't work you can ask Brayder via e-mail about your specific Clié.

For your info: I upgraded three months ago to JackSprat versión 3.1, it did not work perfectly with my SL10. I asked Brayder for help and he sent me a previous version of JackSprat, version 3.0b5, this old one works great on my SL10.
As the demo files available on Brayder's web of JackSprat are from September 2005, Brayder do not seems to have updated JackSprat since then and after I send him my issue (ending October 2005), so I can only suspect that version 3.1 doesn't works 100% on all supported devices.
The best way is to ask Brayder for your device.

JackSprat & JackFlash are great tools, on my old SL10 I have stored on Flash my complete DocumentsToGo 6, Handmap, Plucker, ajvmp3, AudioPlayer, OpenChess, Sokoban, SuLite, and still have 315Kb of free Flash and 5.5MB of free RAM. :cool:

Have Luck!

[suppaman]

I was only worried about deleting something important, but

if my SJ20 has got flash I can obviously restore programs on it (syncing works)
if it has not flash I cannot have erased anything..

I tried JackSprat at first, I tought it was the one to see how many memory you can free..

Anyway the network problem I had (see my other thread http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103727 ) was related to not having network connection. Shouldn't the default setting have at least a connection ? I couldn't even do a hotsync without creating a new connection.

Anyway it seems to work, I'll have a try with JackFlash asap.


Thanks

[El Maquinas]

I was only worried about deleting something important, but

if my SJ20 has got flash I can obviously restore programs on it (syncing works)
if it has not flash I cannot have erased anything..

I tried JackSprat at first, I tought it was the one to see how many memory you can free..

Anyway the network problem I had (see my other thread http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103727 ) was related to not having network connection. Shouldn't the default setting have at least a connection ? I couldn't even do a hotsync without creating a new connection.

Thanks

By default you should have few connections, for example on my SL10 by default my connections are:
Standard Modem
Cradle/Cable
IR to a PC/Handheld

On my SL10 this information is store in RAM in the ConnectionMgrDB database file, on a cold reset this file is restored to the factory default settings as mentioned above.

In order to do a Hotsync you will need at least one connection.

[suppaman]

Actually this is the strange thing, on a hard or cold reset I have no more default connections, how can it be ?
This suggests me that my SJ has got flash otherwise I would have seen connections after a hard reset..

[El Maquinas]

Actually this is the strange thing, on a hard or cold reset I have no more default connections, how can it be ?
This suggests me that my SJ has got flash otherwise I would have seen connections after a hard reset..

I will not bother you with more questions but this is very strange.

Other kind of cold reset you can do, a bit drastic of course, is to completly discharge your Clié's battery or to remove it for some time. Removing the battery is easy and ensure that all RAM content is lost but in the past I had some problems doing this on my TH55 needing to wait for some hours before reinstalling the battery, of course my TH55 is not the same PDA as yours but if something strange happens while reconecting the battery you should wait for some time before attempting to reconnect the battery in order to ensure that the RAM has no strange contents.

If After this you do not have a default connections created then you should ask Brayder, as this is very strange IMHO you should ask Brayder for support, JackSprat should not delete anything if you do not tell it to do so.

Regards.

[suppaman]

I tried to remove the battery when the SJ didn't recover properly after a reset but terminals of battery were sealed in plastic so I choosed to give hard reset some more tries, and it worked.

By the way in past I searched for an higher capacity battery, are you aware of a such one ? I've seen consumable batteries greatly improves their capacity over years..

Imagine what battery life you could get have with a 150% capacity on a TH55.

[El Maquinas]

I tried to remove the battery when the SJ didn't recover properly after a reset but terminals of battery were sealed in plastic so I choosed to give hard reset some more tries, and it worked.

Strange thing, the SJ-20 has a three pin connector (only two are used), the battery should easely replaceable.

By the way in past I searched for an higher capacity battery, are you aware of a such one ? I've seen consumable batteries greatly improves their capacity over years..

Imagine what battery life you could get have with a 150% capacity on a TH55.

Sure there are improved batteries, I bought one for my TH-55 it has theorically 20% more capacity but as my TH55 is second hand I really can not compare the improvements over the original battery.

Sure you will find more information in this forum about such a wonder battery ;)

You may wish to search in this nXtClieClub ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nXtClieClub/) forum too.

[suppaman]

Strange thing, the SJ-20 has a three pin connector (only two are used), the battery should easely replaceable.

Do you mean battery side or electronic board side ? I just opened the battery lid and took the battery out (while still wired), there is plastic on terminals.

You may wish to search in this nXtClieClub ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nXtClieClub/) forum too.

I am already a lurker and I've been so for a while :-)

[El Maquinas]

Do you mean battery side or electronic board side ? I just opened the battery lid and took the battery out (while still wired), there is plastic on terminals.

Both sides, on the circuit board you should have a three pin connector (male) and on the battery the equivalent female connector.

You can see this battery here (http://www.cliebattery.com/) and the installation instructions are here (http://www.cliebattery.com/lis1259install.htm) at cliebattery.com.

I am already a lurker and I've been so for a while :)
;)