Yeah right....

[Gianni]

800-900 bucks for one of these things? Eff that. A few hundreds bucks more and I could buy me a new laptop. I really think these things need a SERIOUS price drop on every model. This model just shows how ridiculously priced things can get. I mean, if SOny really wants a big buyer rate then why do they make these things so pricey? Im tellin ya, a million more people would be owning one of these if it didnt cost half or more of thier paycheck. They dont even cost that much to make. This kind of stuff just drives me nuts...thought I would vent.:p

[n2ifp]

A Palm Zire isn't too pricey.

[Gianni]

Its not even a PDA, its a vertical planner for an extra $70. :D Also nuts. I got a SJ30, so dont think I dont have one and am just *****in.

[Unregistered]

yeah, imagine the number of people who have to live on 800 dollars or less a month. think about them when you lay down cash for yet another pda.

[oneeyesquare]

Socialist bilge....It's my money that I earned with my hard labor.... I shall spend it as I deem fit...You have no right to spend my money. By the same argument, the ISP you paid for to post your opinion could have been better given to the poor and needy; and thus saved us the stupidity of your comment..



To the thread originator, put your laptop in your pocket.....

[Unregistered]

and you are probably whining about peace too.

[rhart00]

Originally posted by oneeyesquare
Socialist bilge....It's my money that I earned with my hard labor.... I shall spend it as I deem fit...You have no right to spend my money. By the same argument, the ISP you paid for to post your opinion could have been better given to the poor and needy; and thus saved us the stupidity of your comment..



To the thread originator, put your laptop in your pocket.....

well said.

sorry the thread starter is so against cllie pda's. if you can't afford it, well that sucks, but too bad. maybe you don't really need a pda anyways. there are plenty of people who can afford them. I think Sony probably took pricing into account when they started selling there pda's. Sony doesn't make all profit off these pdas. There are input costs that go into these things that drive up the price.

[jerryprism]

Anyway, there are cheapr nz-90's out on ebay and ubid if you look hard enuf.

[Gianni]

People, Im not ignorant nor am I poor nor do I hate Clies. I just wanted to have a discussion on why these things are so expensive. If I didnt give a damn about the things then I wouldnt be making a specialized launcher for it.

[aaronrkelly]

I dont agree with all the statements but the pricing on the NZ is a little out of hand....but then so are the devices. I see the Zen of Palm going right out the window.

But get what works for you and quit *****ing about other devices - nuff said!

[rhart00]

I think it has to do with a couple things:


1) Input and production costs
2) Sony is in the business of making money. Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the PDA business.
3) Sony has a monopoly on the high end multimedia palm os market.

[Gianni]

Im not *****ing about ****. hasnt anyone who has posted in this thread know what a civilized conversation is? How hard is it to talk about how expensive things get these days?

[Alistar]

If you want a civilized conversation you should state facts and state them calmly. Not come barging into the room and yelling generalized statements at the top of your hoping that people will pay attention, metaphorically speaking.

[aaronrkelly]

Gianni calm down man....I agree it is getting out of hand. Something that your supposed to carry around with you shouldnt be so expensive.....I wouldnt even care if I lost my cell phone but a NZ is another story. I wonder what the profit margin on those things are........anyone here give us an insight on what the retailers pay Sony for the devices??

[aaronrkelly]

Alistar.....I didnt sense any yelling in the first post - the only emphasis was on the word SERIOUS. There is also no room and if there was you just barged into the middle of it 12 posts later.

[Alistar]

If you read the read the first post he says eff that. That sounds doesn't sound very calm. He also states that hese things drive him mad, that along with his context seems to indicate he would be expressing himself loudly if he were actually talking.

[Gianni]

At Radioshack they only pay $100 to put one in thier store and then they can sell it for how much they want to. I think that that is crap. Sure, wholesale is the only reason stores can stay in business so people can buy thier stuff, but man, people swipe that stuff all the time from thier work and we have to pay for it with inflated prices. Drives me nuts.

[Gianni]

Originally posted by Alistar
If you read the read the first post he says eff that. That sounds doesn't sound very calm. He also states that hese things drive him mad, that along with his context seems to indicate he would be expressing himself loudly if he were actually talking. Hey, read the post anyway you want to, but dont post ignorance.

[Alistar]

Originally posted by Gianni
Hey, read the post anyway you want to, but dont post ignorance.

Posting Ignorance. What are you talking about. Perhaps you didn't meen to come off as angry, but I think you did. You still said eff that in your post. I pointed that out and suggested that you simply state facts and organize your arguements.

[gstorm]

Man, you people don't get it. In a free market, someone produces a product. They assign a price to it and offer it for sale. The producer, determines the price based on development cost, desired profit margin, and what they have determined the market will bear. It's their game, they make the rules.
People who are interested in the product and find the price agreeable, purchase the product. People who don't like the product or think it is over priced, DON"T purchase it. PERIOD. To think that complaining about it being to expensive will do anything but make look ridiculous, is crazy. When you want the high end you pay a premium. Hey why don't you call Mercedes-Benz and tell them that you can get a Kia for 20% of the cost of their cars so they should sell you a $50,000 car for $10,000? Bottom line is you get what you pay for. If you want to play you have to pay. Otherwise get the Kia and shutup.

[rhart00]

Originally posted by gstorm
Man, you people don't get it. In a free market, someone produces a product. They assign a price to it and offer it for sale. The producer, determines the price based on development cost, desired profit margin, and what they have determined the market will bear. It's their game, they make the rules.
People who are interested in the product and find the price agreeable, purchase the product. People who don't like the product or think it is over priced, DON"T purchase it. PERIOD. To think that complaining about it being to expensive will do anything but make look ridiculous, is crazy. When you want the high end you pay a premium. Hey why don't you call Mercedes-Benz and tell them that you can get a Kia for 20% of the cost of their cars so they should sell you a $50,000 car for $10,000? Bottom line is you get what you pay for. If you want to play you have to pay. Otherwise get the Kia and shutup.

thanks for explaining the concept of economics. I was going to but didn't feel like typing it all out. And I was going to use that car reference too. You read my mind.

[Importluva]

Its your basic supply and demand, like your utility for this techno geek PDA. If they didn't sell, sony would be forced to lower prices. I they consistently sold out, prices would higher. If they sell like expected, the price remains constant. Like it was stated already, they just go off of what the total costs are, and then they say oh we want a 10% profit, so they add like 12% to the cost, and sell it to retailers like that.

[oneeyesquare]

Gianni,
Try going into a sports team forum or maybe a car brand forum and spout off like your initial post. Your arse will be roasted to the point of absolute crispiness. Who in their right mind would think that people won't take offense on a fan forum? Your arguements are specious and have been tried before. Go play the jealousy game somewhere else. Make fat jokes in the TG50 forum or maybe overrated camera jokes in the NX forum. Most of us here are quite happy with our purchase and find your type of criticisms base and annoying.
Go play somewhere else. It's all adults in here. Whining children need to leave...

[ralchizar]

good point oneeyesquare, this really is a fan site, anyone who thinks that they can bash the NZ and then expect us to just sit there and agree with them is just plain nuts.

[Gianni]

Good show with the car reference. But know that I dont care for Mercedes-Benz. I see no point in super expensive luxry cars when all I want to do is drive. Believe me people, I have no problem paying top dollar for my stuff. I drive a Subaru Impreza WRX and thats all the luxry I need. I paid $2000 for a C-west kit to grace it, I paid $200 to have it professionally installed and painted right. I paid $3000 to import some Rays Volk wheels from Japan to grace the car. I even have red Recaro seats.

OES-Hi, not only do I post at "car brand" forums, but Im also a respected member since I know my stuff. Vehicle rivalry is infact welcomed in car forums since it expands knowledge on the cars and leaves a worthy debate. And where do you people get off crying about a handheld computer? No one is bashing your beloved machine, and Im sure as hell not. I just wanted to discuss a freakin price with you people and you all go nuts like you worship the damn things. I dont freak out when someone calls me a riceboy or ricer, so why should you all go moan and groan when someone wants to discuss a freaking price? And Im the bad guy here, my god. Its a ****ing computer, who the **** cares? You even kiss the damned thing goodnight OES. Holy god, this is the biggest group of whiners Ive EVER seen anywhere.
Ive started discussions on why the Integra RSX is a waste of money at ClubRSX and not one person cried as hard as I see everyone here. Its a freaking discussion on a price and to you I insulted Jesus. Get a ****in life if this means so damn much to you.
What a waste of a perfectly good topic this was.

[oneeyesquare]

And who started it?



(Kissing it goodnight is private....)

[Gianni]

Who started what? The topic? Or that hair brained moronic post? Because I started the topic, you posted the bull****.

All adults here my ***, adults dont *****, moan and groan about a computer product, thats what people do who still live in thier parents basement. If you have such a hard time discussing prices without thinking someone is insulting your precious computer then you are the whining child, not me.

[LITTLESIX]

Originally posted by Gianni
800-900 bucks for one of these things? Eff that.

This comment is proof on it's face that you have no intention of a serious discussion.

Your constant use of profanity is more proof that you have no intention of an adult conversation. If you're trying to get taken seriously, try uttering a sentence that doesn't have the word **** in it.

The socialist dribble is irrelevant from the Unregistered post-er. If you don't have the guts to put your name on your comments - don't waste the server space.

Why don't you take a timeout, Gianni. Come back when you want to be taken seriously.

[oneeyesquare]

I see the subtleties are lost on you. Your use of profanity in you argumentation also belies your intelligence level. You are the won whining about the price of the NZ as your first post reads. You've effectively lost the argument and are now resorting to swaggering and bullying in attempt to win. Personal attacks won't phase me. I'm quite secure in my person and economic level. Let me reiterate, attacks on a fan forum will bring about stout hearted rebuttals. You play the fool if you think otherwise....

[Unregistered]

it is so much fun when someone gets everyone wound up :).

[LITTLESIX]

Yeah - trolls generally feed off that Unregistered. Congrats on demonstrating your true colours.

Come back when you have the guts to put your name on your comments, ok?

Thanks for playing.

[Unregistered]

oh God, I am so scared and so insulted. LMAO

[LITTLESIX]

And somewhere in the village a bridge goes unguarded.

Go away, coward.

[Unregistered]

Yeah, I am sure your name is LittleSix. What does that describe exactly? :)

[stronggeek]

Uh, I would spend 1500 on the nz if it had a smaller form factor, if were faster and had more memory. I wouldn't buy one now. But I think that it woul be difficult to judge what the costs/benefit ratio is for another's situation. In the end, it's what is it worth to you.

[Unregistered]

hopefully you are sharing some of your wealth with your less affluent Native American relatives.

[LITTLESIX]

Here - I'll save you the trouble of Googling it. That's probably beyond your comprehension:

"Little Six (Shakopee), a Mdewakanton Dakota was a leader in the Sioux revolt of 1862. He was hanged for his participation."

North American Indians: Richardson-Fleming, Paula and Luskey, Judith.

This is who I was named after. (edit)

[Importluva]

So, Gianni sounds like a teenage ricer who likes to start arguments on message boards. Lets see, you wouldn't want a high end sports/luxury car? Could that be cuz you can't afford it? Or maybe its cuz you like things to look pretty, but don't like to do things to make it better (your car for example-it has all show and little go, performance wise. Maybe you think the NZ is just ugly? Your choice of 3000 dollar rims-why get rims that cost that much when stock ones do the same thing? "ALL I WANT TO DO IS DRIVE"). Interesting observations I have made thus far.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by LITTLESIX
Here - I'll save you the trouble of Googling it. That's probably beyond your comprehension:

"Little Six (Shakopee), a Mdewakanton Dakota was a leader in the Sioux revolt of 1862. He was hanged for his participation."

North American Indians: Richardson-Fleming, Paula and Luskey, Judith.

This is who I was named after. (edit) That's pretty neat, LittleSix.  Glad Mr. Unregistered asked. 

Gianni~I think your car's cost is outrageous . . . but I'm not going to something like "Well, add a few hundred more and you could afford a Ford with power windows".  What you like is what you like.  If you're happy with it, that's great.  Don't knock what others like . . . after all, what you paid for your 'tricked out' car could probably feed a family of 4 for 6 months . . .

[aaronrkelly]

Hey, instead of spending your time attacking each other why doesnt somebody have a conversation with the guy like he clearly stated he wanted - several times.

I agree that the pieces are not worth the asking price but you are really buying the technology. I personally dont find the size of the device to be worth the difference in price between the NZ and a laptop. I also could work a laptop (small) into my lifestyle without any difficulty and it would provide more functionality for me in the long run however I could see how others could not.

[LoneWolf]

Yeah, Right....Looks to me that most of the PUT-Down of the NZ is by those that have a SJ30 or less or Older Model....

Are We Jealous Guys?????????

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....................

[AARONRKELLY]

I

[Enceladus]

All show and no go...LOL.

No engine mods?

What does stock WRX put to the down to the wheels? A little under 200?

C-West kit and Volks...Nothin under the hood? LMAO

[aaronrkelly]

To Lonewolf:

I am not jealous - I just am not the type to always have to have the best. I have a Sony T615 and it does what I need, when it doesnt I will be searching for the latest and greatest but till the day my T615 lacks the ability to do something I need it to or it breaks the NZ will have to just wait.

I have other things to spend my money on such as supporting my family - that doesnt make me jealous. Others (not necessarily you) dont have such obligations and therefor may have the ability to buy such devices when they desire (or need them). Or you may have such obligation and spare cash, to each their own but dont label others until you know them - I also realize it was a generalization so I take no offense.....

[LoneWolf]

To aaronrkelly:

Maybe Envious then......

Oh, by the way, I do have to have the BEST....

Have a Nice NIGHT!!!!!!!!!

[rob_squared]

If anyone needs me I'll be handing out asprin at the "door" of this "room".

[Gianni]

Originally posted by Enceladus
All show and no go...LOL.

No engine mods?

What does stock WRX put to the down to the wheels? A little under 200?

C-West kit and Volks...Nothin under the hood? LMAO You really want me to post all my engine mods? You may have even seen my car with open hood at last years SEMA. I posted about the rims and kit because it shows that Im not afraid of price, nimrod.

And I result to swearing because all you guys are doing is pissing me off because you are all hurt because I want to talk about a price of a freakin computer. Im not trying to make anyone jealous(whoever said I was is far beyond stupid), Im not trying to insult anyones amazing little computer, Im trying to talk about how expensive these bastards are. Like I said before, if it means that much to you were you have to cry and read so far into this then you need to go get a life, a girlfriend, something to make oyu see that there is far more to life then a damn computer.

ooo....my swearing shows how really intelligent I am, you guys all got me there.

And you guys wanna talk about my ride like Im some bull****ter, bring that **** on. You can meet me and a few people from my group at Primm for a midnight ride, or at Blue Diamond if thats your fancy. And thats in Vegas, so after I hand your *** to you you can go gamble.

Im done with this thread, which is sad because its my thread, but you all ruined that.

[oneeyesquare]

Actually, we defended our purchase... Unfortunately , you seem unable to deal with it and continue to bluster. Face it, mega-wheels-boy, we think its $800 well spent, even if we "live in the basement of our parents house".... If your gonna give crap, your gonna have to learn to take it.... You can't as this thread shows..... Sorry we ruined your little bathroom expedition....

[the_iceman]

I guess Some people ..... just aren't happy with what they have... and feel the need to bash those who have things 'newer' and/or better. Sad world. .... 3 months after I bought my PC... there were those buying a PC faster than my top-of-the-line .... just how things go.

Be happy with what you have yourself, and don't knock what others have. What is a waste of money to you... isn't a waste of money to others. Same is reversed..... What is a waste to many others... certainly may not be a waste to you. Welcome to the world of free-choices! :)

[Importluva]

Well Gianni, your comment about "Why Drive a MB when all I want to drive" is confusing, given the fact that you have poured thousands of dollars into your rex-if you "Just wanted to drive" then why not leave it stock? Your 24k car is turning into prolly close to a $40k car from all of your mods, which could have bought you a nicer car....but I digress.

What times you run wit all your mods? You break into the 13's yet, or are dem 18's slowin you down? I respect all types of cars, but don't think that yours is da shi t. Cuz simply, its not. Try driving a high end sports car (911, NSX, Supra) and you'll see that your car isn't all that to brag about.

[Bionic Antboy]

Hmm...let's analyze your original post, which you say was meant to foster intelligent debate, since it seems the original facts get lost in heated discussions...

Originally posted by Gianni
800-900 bucks for one of these things? Eff that. A few hundreds bucks more and I could buy me a new laptop.

If you want a laptop, then get one.  Obviously, for those who've bought an NZ and kept it, the NZ was a better choice.

I really think these things need a SERIOUS price drop on every model. This model just shows how ridiculously priced things can get. I mean, if SOny really wants a big buyer rate then why do they make these things so pricey? 

Obviously, Sony is doing right by their pricing, because they offer a wide variety of PDAs for a lot of uses.  They are definitely within the market norms, and since their share of the whole PDA market jumped from 3% in 2001 to over 15% in 2002, they must be getting a "big buyer rate", which I assume is something like what most people would call "increased sales" :) 

Im tellin ya, a million more people would be owning one of these if it didnt cost half or more of thier paycheck. They dont even cost that much to make.

Although they don't necessarily cost an arm and a leg to "make", Sony spends a LOT of money in R&D (which is also known as Research and Development).  This cost has to be factored in, especially since Sony is pretty much on the cutting edge of PDA design.  Not to mention the number of "concept" products that may work, but will never make it to market, for any one of a number of reasons.

This kind of stuff just drives me nuts...thought I would vent.:p

Ending off your original post is the comment that you just wanted to vent, because the pricing bugs you.  There is nothing in the post that offers any constructive criticism or points out flaws in the product itself (which you mention you wanted to do in a later post).

Later, you take it upon yourself to imply that NZ owners "live in their parents basements".  This is a pretty bogus comment, meant to inflame owners.  I was talking to a Sony rep at the local store, who I also have an aquaitance with beyond such capacity, and from what he was telling me, almost half of the NZ90s the local Sony Store have been sold to doctors.  Doctors don't generally live in their parents' basements.  In fact, from personal experience, I know 1 single PDA owner who lives in his parents basement, and three "hot rodders" who live in parents basements.  So there's my anectdotal conclusion.

I'm not an NZ owner, nor do I plan on becoming one (unless Sony doesn't release something closer to my needs when I plan on upgrading in the fall).  I've used one for a while, and although cool, I'd prefer the slimmest possible VG OS 5 device available when I upgrade.  I don't feel a need to kvetch about the cost.

So, IF you were planning on making intelligent points, you must have accidentally forgot to add them to your posts. Can you clarify this?  :)

Antboy

[nike33]

cwai02

Not for nothin, I would NEVER dare pull out me NX, and worse still, an NZ on a NYC subway........LOL


Standard PC disclaimer below

The above statement can in no way be construed as NY bashing, since I am a bona fide NYC resident.

[aaronrkelly]

I was wondering more about this expensive cell phone cwaio2....I searched for it but could not find any info - does someone have a link????

[kkerruish]

Yeah -

I'd be interested in just finding out what this cell phone does...if I absolutely have to have one, I guess my godkids could work through college...::WINK::

Seriously - info on this phone would be neat...just because...:)

[dstolarski]

One interesting thing in this thread is the the economic model that was thrown around on page 2.

Price is market driven. Period. The cost + margin equation is really irrelevent. If you can't make money and cover your costs at what the market will pay, you will likely look for something else to do. If you can price your product correctly and make 100% profit on it, you will. I am certain that Sony is killing on the new models.

I bought my NR about 6 months ago for under $400. I bet Sony still made a nice margin on that sale with the price 20% lower than it was 3 months before.

[Unregistered]

Retailer's only pay 640-650 on the NZ. I know this because I was a Sales Manager at CompUSA for 3 years. I picked up an NZ with TAP (replacement), a 64mb mem-stick, the WiFi card and tax for less then $900. I agree that it is too much money to pay for a toy...

For me it is not a toy. I travel a lot for work (i.e. drive 300-500 miles a day) so I need a way to check the Internet and send emails from the road (blue-tooth phone), I believe that a laptop would be better to spend the money on but here is how I justify it...

iPod $500
Digi Cam $200
Lap Top $500 (only half the features so half the price)
Palm $100 (Zire)

Not having 4 power cords in my car... Priceless

On top of all that, for work we use one application tht requires Palm OS 5. Since I have yet to see a decent emulator for OSX my choice was simple...

DISenchanted

[Unregistered]

I wonder if there is a way to connect the nz90 to the onboard computer on your WRX... I bet your would change your attitude then. People tend to see the NZ one of two ways... Toy or Tool.

I would be willing to bet that almost everyone in this forum see's it as a Tool (if you don't you must have alot of money and don't care so I'll give you my address...). Everyone I have seen bash it either can't afford it and really wants it, or thinks of it as a toy (i.e. not enough feature to justify it vs nx70, too large to carry vs tg50).

All it comes down to is, are you happy with what you have? (yes or no)

If "no" then find something that will make you happy.

DISenchanted

ps... I really wish I could get me conformation email soon...

"For such a small town, you have alot of stupid people..."

[tmill2500]

I think the Clie can replace most notebooks, MP3, Video, Bluetooth, 802.11, word processing with 3rd party software...what could be better than carrying a laptop on your hip! (and not throwing out your back)

[Unregistered]

Email, Web browsing and GPS (with add on)... Plus they get about the same battery life...

DISenchanted