Jackflash v3.0b1 - what works, what doesn't

[rldunn]

Just in case you don't want to sift through 11 pages in the other thread but are interested in this program and what does and doesn't work, I'm starting this thread on the recommendation of rxmedicine. Please limit the posts in this thread to listings of what works and what doesn't; any general discussion of Jackflash can go in the other thread.

I'll go first. Here's what doesn't work.

Wordsmith v2.2.8 and AcidImage v2.4r - Both move to Flash fine and run fine when you launch them. However, when you exit the programs, you get the following error "MemoryMgr.c, Line:1583, Not a handle". A soft reset takes care of it and everything is fine. For WS, if you just open it and close it immeditately without looking at a memo or doc, you don't get the error.

Others have reported this same problem with some builds of AG; I don't use it, so I'll let them post the details.

Ultrasoft Money - When I moved BillMinder as well, I would get the following error after entering my password "BillMinderLib.cpp, Line:141, Failed to open code resource". With BillMinder back in RAM, everything runs fine.

Some apps cause JF to freeze when moving them to Flash. However, a soft reset restores your system, and then moving them again usually works fine. DateBk5 did this the first 2 times I tried to move it, but worked fine on the 3rd time, and now runs perfectly out of Flash. This also happened with a few other apps, but all transferred fine the 2nd time around, including with Handyshopper and Docs2Go.

These apps run fine out of Flash:

DB5
Docs2Go
Sheet2Go
Word2Go
RepliGo
ClieMail
PalmReader
DiddleBug
EasyCalc
MathLib
BackupMan
SplashID
Handyshopper
WA Clock
McFile
PowerOne Personal
Handstory
Clock+

[ayasin]

FitalyVirtual causes problems when run from flash (slow response/lock ups). Disabling it in flash casues a mem error requiring a soft reset. It runs fine when moved back to ram.

[BClie2k]

The following also work with no Problem:

Kinoma (freezes first try, retry went fine)
MegaCalc
ZLauncher
WorldMate
DateMate
McFiler
MS-Dict
SnapperMail
VeriChat
Blazer
BugMe
Checkbook
IconMgr

About BugMe Messenger, I have version 4.3 which has HR+. Anybody knows a newer version that has HR+. I went to their website and all of them were 3. something. Anybody?

Thanks,

Al

[BClie2k]

About WordSmith and AcidImage, Is anybody e-mailing the developers about this issue? I know red-mercury listen to customers requests in future updates and BlueNomad too. However, the request must come from more than one user. Let's e-mail them and request JackFlash compatibility.

Al

[rldunn]

BClie2K, I wouldn't email the WS and AI developers yet. With older versions of Jackflash, those apps worked just fine. So, I think it's something that needs to be fixed on the Jackflash side, and hopefully will be fixed in the next beta. If Brayder indicates that it's a problem with those apps, then that will be the time to write to them.

[Shrink]

I'd like to move WorldMate inhto flash. I see that it seems to work. Any hints about what to move and what (if any) to leave in RAM with WorldMate?(when I finally get my reg code!?)
Thanks
alan

[Tixx]

I'll add my list as well. I had some of the same issues as rldunn moving DB5, SplashID, ZL and a few others, but eventually got them in there.

DBk5
PowerOneFinance
UltraSoft Money
ZLauncher
BugMe
SplashID
TealPhone
PhotoSkin
4.0 Student
mEncryptor
Documents to Go
BackUpMan
Date Mate
Pics to Go
PowerRun
MathLib
Uninstall Manager
Mi: D
McPhling
HR CaptDM
Okey
FlashEnable

Still Have 941kb to go:)

[rldunn]

Tixx, you should consider doing a backup, then running a test hard reset to see what happens with some of your hack-like apps after a hard reset, such as OKey, McPhling, Mi: D, Uninstall Manager, and PowerRun. Maybe they'll be fine, but those are the kind of apps that I could see working fine until a hard reset happens, then screwing up your device (or at least causing some work to be done besides a simple restore after that happens). If you do it, let us know what you find.

[Unregistered]

E-Wallet works

Splash Photo does not

[Tixx]

Originally posted by rldunn
Tixx, you should consider doing a backup, then running a test hard reset to see what happens with some of your hack-like apps after a hard reset, such as OKey, McPhling, Mi: D, Uninstall Manager, and PowerRun. Maybe they'll be fine, but those are the kind of apps that I could see working fine until a hard reset happens, then screwing up your device (or at least causing some work to be done besides a simple restore after that happens). If you do it, let us know what you find.

After final this week I'll be more daring:) No more stress than necessary at the moment please. I actually vowed to not use this stuff on my NX and to keep it as clean as possible, but I just couldn't stinkin' resist.

[ClieMarty]

acid image => do older versions work; think 2.4r is an early beta or some working version, right?

besides, i would really like to clarify what you guys understand with soft/hard reset. may sound ridiculous but i better ask just in case. for me, a soft reset is using the stylus in the back to just reset the device but have the data untouched; a hard reset would be the same with up-button pushed while resetting to have everything back to first settings and all data deleted. am i right?

[outie]

YiShow
NetFront
SplashMoney
iSilo
Agendus

for NF: device crashed while compacting flash, after reset NetFront was in and functioned.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by ClieMarty
besides, i would really like to clarify what you guys understand with soft/hard reset. may sound ridiculous but i better ask just in case. for me, a soft reset is using the stylus in the back to just reset the device but have the data untouched; a hard reset would be the same with up-button pushed while resetting to have everything back to first settings and all data deleted. am i right? Not quite.

Soft reset - hit the reset button in back. No apps touched. Equivalent to Windows restart.

Warm reset - Hold the up button down while hitting the reset button in back, holding the up button down until you see the Palm OS logo. App aren't touched, but all system extensions (high-res, VG minimizing, etc) are disabled. Equivalent to Windows safe mode.

Hard reset - Hold the power button down while hitting the reset button in back, holding the power button down until you see the Palm OS logo. Hit the Up button when prompted to erase all data. All apps and files stored in RAM are erased, but files in ROM (aka Flash) are untouched. Equivalent to reformatting your hard drive in Windows.

[ClieMarty]

thanks for clarifying rldunn

[mdharris]

Anyone tried moving these files?
Avx AT3Decoder
Avx MP3Decoder
PenPatchNX70

[TheGonz]

The following apps work without a problem:

Datebk5 (5.0c prev6)
HandBase 3 (3.0i2)
Repligo 1.1 Demo
Zlauncher 2.22
Super Names 2.04 Demo
ListPro 3
Wondersilk 1.25
Butterfly 3.6

I tried SplashPhoto 3.62 earlier, but everytime i quit that program there was an error and i had to reset. Can't remember the exact message, but it ended with 'Not a Handle'. Tried it with and without pics, from MS and from RAM. Went wrong everytime so I put SplashPhoto back in RAM.

With the above mentioned apps in flash I have 235K left.

Gonna try to remove wondersilk and Butterfly, and put TinySheet 421 in. If it fits i will only have a few K left.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by ClieMarty
thanks for clarifying rldunn

To expand a little on the warm reset. Think of it as kind of a safe mode.

By using the warm reset, it allows you to prevent the application from loading into the operating system. This way, it can be deleted without crashing the Clie.

You can do a warm reset, which is done by holding the page Up button while pushing in the reset button on the backside of the Clie with the pin from inside your stylus. This won't load anything so there will be no Virtual Graffiti area either. Hit Ctrl-H on the keyboard, go to the Clie Files(file manager), then you can delete the desired application. Afterwards, you then need to do a regular reset by using the little pin from inside your stylus to push the reset button in the backside of your Clie.

[bcoutlander]

So how much room is there available in flash before adding any programs?

[mdharris]

I have not been able to move NetFront to flash. Keeps freezing while trying to move the app. Anyone else able to do this?

[rldunn]

Originally posted by bcoutlander
So how much room is there available in flash before adding any programs? The other Jackflash thread in the NX forum has a lot of this kind of information, so you might want to check it out.. It's 4479K for an NX.

[mdharris]

NetFront moved no problem NOW...

Still cannot get my Jog Dial Button to work. Stopped working after installing JackFlash.

[rldunn]

mdharris, see the other thread about the jog dial issue.

[mdharris]

I saw it but still having issues. I do not have Okey so thats not it. Thanks though.

[*YellowRose*]

Moved the following successfully:

Datebk5, p7 (no issues at all, and I was skeered...)

iSilo
Zlauncher
PalmReader
Shadow
Handstory
McFile
SplashID
Wassup
MSDict
Woman (beiks)
Photoskin
FileZ
MoonPhase (soft reset 1st time, OK 2nd...??)
TVBrowser
IconMgr
TV Grid Listing (TVGL)
PowerRun
OKey (disabled prior to moving)
TikTok
Colorize
Graffiti Anywhere (disabled prior to move)
TimeCopy

In addition, I 'just tried' moving VG & status skins to flash . . . they go, but PhotoSkin can't see them . . . so it doesn't really work...lol.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by mdharris
I saw it but still having issues. I do not have Okey so thats not it. Thanks though. You could either move one app at a time back to RAM and see which one is affecting your jog dial or you could use a binary search method. The first would be preferable if you have an idea on what might be causing the problem. I would check out hack-like apps first. Or you could post a list here of what you moved to Flash and we could see if anything looks like a potential culprit. If you don't know what it might be, the binary search method will be a lot quicker.

[mfcassel]

In the past when I tried to flash Datebk 5 my alarms got screwed up, did this happen to anyone else, and has it happend under OS5 to anyone?

[mdharris]

Apps moved to Flash
NetFront
Agendus
HandStory
RepliGo
TealInfo
Mapopolis

[rldunn]

Originally posted by mfcassel
In the past when I tried to flash Datebk 5 my alarms got screwed up, did this happen to anyone else, and has it happend under OS5 to anyone? I tested some alarms after moving it, and it worked fine.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by mdharris
Apps moved to Flash
NetFront
Agendus
HandStory
RepliGo
TealInfo
Mapopolis Nothing stands out. I have Handstory and RepliGo in Flash without the problem, so I would start looking at the other 4. If it was my system, I would start looking at Netfront first. Let us know how it goes.

[contempt]

Do apps that are linked to conduits sync properly once in flash? Such as SplashID, Worldmate and others. (still awaiting my reg code).

[rldunn]

Yes, conduit apps work fine.

[*YellowRose*]

Amended report:  TVGL DOES NOT like flash.   I get a fatal error leading to soft reset on exit...  :mad:

[sauron]

I have been wondering, whether Netfront in the flash ROM will screw things up after a hard reset.. Has anyone tried hard resetting with NF in ROM? Cos I am just worried that it won't be recognised as a program after a hard reset.

Reason I'm saying that is because I once copied the 2 MB netfront program into my MS. After a hard reset, I copied it back in the hope of being able to avoid clearing out 6 MB just to reinstall it from scratch. However, 2 MB was occupied, but no program icon for me to tap on...

[ilkera]

I wonder about Netfront also. I did not use Netfront till now because I did not have space for it.
Now after purchasing Jackflash , I want to try Netfront on ROM.
But I wonder if it will work fine in ROM.
I mean will it be working like any other application in ROM ?

[sauron]

Originally posted by ilkera
I wonder about Netfront also. I did not use Netfront till now because I did not have space for it.
Now after purchasing Jackflash , I want to try Netfront on ROM.
But I wonder if it will work fine in ROM.
I mean will it be working like any other application in ROM ?

that i believe is not a problem.
what i'm worried about is about the hard reset issue..

[fireants22]

Hey, anyone tell me if the new JackFlash will work on my japanese-nx70? I just don't want it to mess things up.

[dejanet]

fireants22

I have an Japanese nx70 and it seems to work fine. Except you will only gain 511k a far cry from the numbers that people are getting with the US model. I'm hopping that jacksprat will be out soon so I can rip most of the Japanese stuff out and gain some more usable memory.

tim

[Banshee]

In addition to programs mentioned above (sorry for any repeats), add to the list of OK programs in flash;

Bdicty

PocketMoney

AvxMP3Decoder

AvxAT3Decoder

Football Plus

(now with 7026K free RAM...:D)

[Banshee]

...and Palmreader...

[contempt]

The NetFront icon not showing up in the finder has to do with NetFront requiring at least 2mb free for it to install itself on the first round. Remember, what you copied over from the CD is a NetFront installer.

[Wolvy]

One suggestion I would make ... is to either move JackFlash to Flash or on a MS. That way when you have to do a hard reset you can access the apps in Flash more easily.

[contempt]

well that's what FlashEnable on the MS is for. :)

[sauron]

Originally posted by contempt
The NetFront icon not showing up in the finder has to do with NetFront requiring at least 2mb free for it to install itself on the first round. Remember, what you copied over from the CD is a NetFront installer.

read my post again.. carefully.

I was referring to the 2 MB PROGRAM file that is actively used to surf the internet, not the 2 MB INSTALLATION file. the PROGRAM file is what I copied over to the MS, and what i copied back to main RAM when my NX encountered a hard reset.

[n0m0n]

I have not seen if anyone tried to move the following into the Flash.
I believe these are from the Patch upgrade form a few weeks ago.
Any input?

2452MSLib
3452Slot
CFLib
GameConLoader
GameContollerLib
GraphicsLibrary
JogAssistLoader
PenPatchNX70
Sat. Forms RDK 5.1

I hesitate to move these since they were apart of the patch but always wondered why
they never generated a update that automatically flashed to ROM to begin with.
I remember when I had my Palm Pilot [V, Vx, m5xx series] they had OS updates for
the 3.1 to 3.5, to 4.0, and 4.1 and all flashed into the ROM.
Any ideas why Sony does not???
Thanks

[Shrink]

SplashShopper works just fine!
So does Secret(password app)
Towne Compass DataViewer works fine.
alan:D

[rldunn]

Originally posted by sauron
I have been wondering, whether Netfront in the flash ROM will screw things up after a hard reset.. Has anyone tried hard resetting with NF in ROM? Cos I am just worried that it won't be recognised as a program after a hard reset.

Reason I'm saying that is because I once copied the 2 MB netfront program into my MS. After a hard reset, I copied it back in the hope of being able to avoid clearing out 6 MB just to reinstall it from scratch. However, 2 MB was occupied, but no program icon for me to tap on... If I were you, just test it. Perform a backup of RAM; I use BackupMan, but MSBackup also works good. Then do a hard reset, move FlashEnable and Jackflash back to RAM, run them once to bring back the ROM apps, run your backup app, and restore your files. Does Netfront work, or is it now broken? The worst thing that's going to happen is you'll have to reinstall Netfront.

[nlode]

I just installed and had no reset issues. Apps that I installed:

AcidImage (I got the final 2.4 version, not the 2.4r beta)
Netfront
Repligo Trial
Clie Mail
Verichat
Documents
SheetToGo
WordToGo

I tried all of them with no problems upon exiting. I disabled Okey before installing, but decided to leave it in RAM. I decided to put the Internet apps in ROM because I will be getting a Bluetooth MS.

[rldunn]

I just had an error with DiddleBug. My device froze at the time I had an alarm set to go off. I had moved some stuff in and out of Flash this morning, so maybe DiddleBug got moved around when it recompacted and that's what caused it. Not sure, but something to be aware of. Haven't had any other problems with it before or since.

[Shrink]

Originally posted by rldunn
I just had an error with DiddleBug.
Hmmm. Sof far I'm ok and I did test it, but it took me the magical 3 tries to get it into flash.
Thanks for the update.
alan

[n0m0n]

Not sure you guys know this yet but there is a 3.0b2 version out now...

[chelton25]

Quick sheet
Quickword
Smartlist
Smart input

[Baloo]

Thought I'd throw in since a few of mine I hadn't seen posted yet:

Alarmmaster
ALP
Backupman
BGPack
Contacts4
Clie Demo
Datebk5 p8
IconMgr
iSilo
MemoPlus
PktQuicken
QuickSheet
QuickChart
ThoughtManager
ToDoPlus
UnDupe
WordToGo

I was really please to see PktQuicken work since this has potential to be a real memory hog.

Not Working:

HandyShpr
DeepReader

5.22 M Free with 345 K still available in Flash

[JesseNYC]

OK, so I am using LauncherX as my launcher application. Does anyone know how to remove the lightning bolt from the shortcuts? This symbol denotes the application resides in Flash. When I move an app with PowerRun, I get an asterisk --which is easily removed with the rename tool.

Any thoughts?!

[fnm]

Does anyone tried to move launcher x?

Thanks.

[frasej]

Originally posted by rldunn
Wordsmith v2.2.8 and AcidImage v2.4r - Both move to Flash fine and run fine when you launch them. However, when you exit the programs, you get the following error "MemoryMgr.c, Line:1583, Not a handle". A soft reset takes care of it and everything is fine. For WS, if you just open it and close it immeditately without looking at a memo or doc, you don't get the error

Interesting.  I'm running WS v2.2.3 and AcidImage 2.4 and both are running perfectly from flash ROM.  I wonder if there might be something else causing the conflict.

[Shrink]

I have the following in Flash and working well:
Secret
BDicty
TownCompass Data Viewer
DateBk5 p8
DiddleBug
FileZ
MathLib
MultiClock
Okey
OnTimeRx
SplashShopper
TealDoc
TealPhone
UnDupe
WorldMate

Alan
;)

[Shrink]

Originally posted by frasej


Interesting.  I'm running WS v2.2.3 and AcidImage 2.4 and both are running perfectly from flash ROM.  I wonder if there might be something else causing the conflict.

I get the same error Rod gets with AcidImage.
I now moved it back to the MS.
alan:mad:

[JeremyF]

Hi,

I tried moving Launcher X.. When I went into launcher x, I got fatal errors every time I changed tabs. So I went back into Jackflash (at this point, I didn't think Launcher X was the problem) and I moved everything back to RAM, and released the flash... I STILL get fatal exceptions every time I change tabs in Launcher X!!!

Any suggestions?

Jeremy

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by JeremyF
... Launcher X was the problem) and I moved everything back to RAM, and released the flash... I STILL get fatal exceptions every time I change tabs in Launcher X!!! Sounds like a corrupted LX file.  Try deleting everything & reinstalling.

[pelaca]

Files working on flash:
[list=1]
BackupMan 1.1
BeamPRO 2.1.1
BeamWorks 1.0
Bttr-Panel 0.02 (Battery)
CFmodeminf 1.0
CFNULLinf 1.0
CFUtility 1.0
CFWL100inf 1.0
CFmodemdrvr 1.0
CFWL100Neti
CFWL100Nppi
CLIEMail 2.0
eWallet 2.5
eWalletGraphics
eWalletIcons
MathLib 1.1
MegaCalc 2.2.1
MoviMAP 1.0
PowerRUN 1.2
RepliGo 1.1.1
RsrcEdit 1.017b
TealMaster 2.02
WAClock 1.10
[/list=1]

[LeggNet]

Originally posted by JeremyF
I STILL get fatal exceptions every time I change tabs in Launcher X!!!

Any suggestions?

Jeremy Zlauncher??? :-)

Cheers, Rich

[berliner]

Mapopolis works in Flash!!! No, I don't mean just the application, I mean the maps as well! Someone earlier posted that the maps could not be transferred to Flash. Well, I just did it using 3.0b2 version and it works perfectly. You have to go into Preferences and check "Show items that cannot be moved to Flash." Then select the maps you want to transfer and you need to Force the transfer. I thought I'd be daring and try it and it worked!

[rldunn]

Originally posted by frasej


Interesting.  I'm running WS v2.2.3 and AcidImage 2.4 and both are running perfectly from flash ROM.  I wonder if there might be something else causing the conflict. You're running different versions of both of those apps, so maybe it's something caused by a recent change in both apps.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by berliner
Mapopolis works in Flash!!! No, I don't mean just the application, I mean the maps as well! Someone earlier posted that the maps could not be transferred to Flash. Well, I just did it using 3.0b2 version and it works perfectly. You have to go into Preferences and check "Show items that cannot be moved to Flash." Then select the maps you want to transfer and you need to Force the transfer. I thought I'd be daring and try it and it worked! Just because it works for now doesn't mean it always will. The maps weren't allowed to be transferred until you forced them because they're not read-only. And if they're not read-only, I wonder if the app could at some point write to them. I don't use Mapopolis, so I don't know for sure, but does it ever write out to the map files? If so, that could cause a messy error.

I really don't see what you gain by moving the maps to Flash.

[oneeyesquare]

Picsel works in flash..... OH wait, this is the NX forum :D :D :D (Sorry couldn't resist)

Awesome program!!! The NZ only has about 3.3 megs in RAM. Must be part of what makes it so heavy!!!!




(All meant in good light hearted fun, in a month or two we'll all be in the position of not having the "latest and greatest":( )

[berliner]

Maps in Mapopolis have to be run in internal memory. They can only be stored on the memory stick. So, in order to view confluent maps together, extra space in internal memory is needed. I don't know if the maps are written to or not. I don't believe they are. I have "Mark items in flash as read-only" checked, I wonder if that will prevent any serious errors if Mapopolis tries to write to the maps?

[vreug]

Programs I have running in Flash that I haven't seen listed here (using 3.0b2):

LauncherX (seems to work fine for me)
BibleReader (Olive Tree)
Tealinfo
CityTime
Bubblet

I also have problems with the most recent versions of Wordsmith and Splashphoto.

[davel]

I haven't seen these programs list:
Bonsai
DayNotez
FontBucket
HBForms
Slap
QuickSpell
SpellSmith

I also put all the fonts for WordSmith in Flash.

HandZipperLite and JpegWatchLite are also in Flash but, I haven't tested them.

Dave

[jbarr]

I loaded the following apps into Flash, and they all seem to run just fine:

BugMe!
DateBk5 (p8)
DateBk5HelpDB
Doc2Go
HRCaptDA
HRCaptDM
Kinu-maru
LauncherX (and LXBrowser, LXOS5NXLubakL1, LXOS5Standard)
Mapopolis (app, not maps)
MathLib
McPhling
MemoSafe
MyBible (app, not Bible versions)
PowerOne Finance ( and p1 Finance Lib)
ProWord (app, not dictionary)
Sheet2Go
WonderSilk
Word2Go
WS-Aqua-05 (WonderSilk Skin)
WWCalc

That leaves me with 680k free in Flash RAM.

I did have occasional problwms getting some of the apps to actially move. By this, I mean that the little "animated rabbit" would "freeze" during the move. A simple reset and a second try moved the file perfectly without incident. This happened about 4 times with some of the above apps.

I could NOT get the latest version of SplashPhoto to work. It moved to Flash OK, it loads, and I can view any picture, but it gives a fatal error on exit. So, it's back on the Memory Stick.

I used to keep most of these apps on my Memory Stick, but now that they are in Flash, they load instantly!

So far, so good! Another $20 well spent.

[cbulock]

Not sure if these were mentioned, but they work:

CodeDiver
TnSilkChange

[cbulock]

Repligo also works, and so does moving the ZLauncher app, theme, and background files.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by cbulock
Repligo also works, and so does moving the ZLauncher app, theme, and background files. Oohhhhhhhh.   I did the main ZL app, but didn't try the theme or background. 

/me runs off to mess with JackFlash

[*YellowRose*]

Jeez.   I keep having to take apps in and out of flash.  Between the updates for DateBk5, Shadow and Zlauncher . . . it's getting really annoying . . .

 

 

 

 

 

(YES, I am JUST KIDDING!!!):D

[jbarr]

LauncherX is VERY problematic!

So far, LauncherX doesn't seem to play nicely with JackFlash. I experienced the same fatal errors that JeremyF described, and have NOT been able to correct it short of removing JackFlash completely from my Clie.

I have had to do multiple hard resets, multiple soft resets, Full restores, partial restores, removing and adding back JackFlash, and a number of other things just to get things back to where they should be. All I have to say is thank God for the fact that I did a full backup using MSBackup just prior to installing JackFlash.

It looks like I finally got things working by completely removing JackFlash from Flash. Not good.

Maybe it's time to try out another launcher again like MegaLauncher or ZLauncher and then re-install JackFlash.

Very disappointing.

[rldunn]

Well, LX is NOT a read-only file because it has that option to shrink itself to only include files you need for your specific device. I would imagine if you install it, do the shrinking, THEN move it to Flash, you might have better results.

That said, I wrote in one of these JF threads that I wouldn't recommend moving any launcher to Flash. People think that it's ideal because you'll have your favorite launcher immediately after a hard reset, but that's not the way it works and you have problems with the interplay of launcher databases, skins, and Jackflash after the hard reset. I've found that you have a much smoother restore if all launcher files are restored from your backup file.

[jbarr]

i agree. Oh, and i did "shrink" LX down as you suggested (actually, did that weeks ago). Didn't work.

[somas1]

Originally posted by jbarr
LauncherX is VERY problematic!

So far, LauncherX doesn't seem to play nicely with JackFlash. I experienced the same fatal errors that JeremyF described, and have NOT been able to correct it short of removing JackFlash completely from my Clie.

I have had to do multiple hard resets, multiple soft resets, Full restores, partial restores, removing and adding back JackFlash, and a number of other things just to get things back to where they should be. All I have to say is thank God for the fact that I did a full backup using MSBackup just prior to installing JackFlash.

It looks like I finally got things working by completely removing JackFlash from Flash. Not good.

Maybe it's time to try out another launcher again like MegaLauncher or ZLauncher and then re-install JackFlash.

Very disappointing.

Just to make sure I understand, you had problems because you moved launcherx to flash right?  You did not have problems simply because you use lx as your launcher and use jackflash as well. 

[pharmer]

My Megalauncher appears to be working fine w/ the new Jackflash
it's the version 4.2.0

pharmer

[euroclie]

Hi!

I did put every write-protected Bluetooth-related file (i.e. not the devices cache, nor the trusted devices list, etc.) in Flash, and have had no particular problem so far:

BIP Exchange Library
BIPSharedLibrary
Bluetooth Exchange Library
Bluetooth Exchange Library_enUS
Bluetooth Extension
Bluetooth Library
Bluetooth Library_enUS
Bluetooth RfComm Serial Driver
Bluetooth RfComm Serial Dr_enUS
Bluetooth Stack Library
BluetoothPnl
BtAddinLoader
BtTransportBts

and the Bluetooth Remote Camera program works as well in Flash.

I put the Wifi drivers as well in Flash:
CF WL100 inf
CFWL100Neti
CFWL100Nppi
and the system seems happy with this (although I didn't test the wifi link itself since the move to Flash... Sorry, I'm away from home and my wifi stuff)

McFile works from Flash, too, as do WorldMate, Snap! Memo, aClock, aTimer, aDSTKeeper.

ScrShot v1.3.1 did not work from Flash...
:(

[Jooley]

I moved Icon Manager to Flash, doesn't seem to be a good idea.  Got this error when I tried to open an icon database:

"icons.c, Line:1224, can't open resource db"

I moved it out of Flash, same thing.  I've tried deleting and reinstalling, still doesn't work. :(

[jbarr]

Originally posted by somas1
Just to make sure I understand, you had problems because you moved launcherx to flash right?  You did not have problems simply because you use lx as your launcher and use jackflash as well.  Hmmm. Good question. Actually, I DID have problems once I moved LauncherX back to RAM. I tried a number of permutations and all failed except two.

1. Install JackFlash, Load LauncherX into Flash - FAIL
2. Install JackFlash, Move LauncherX back to RAM - FAIL
3. Install JackFlash, Newly install LauncherX into RAM - FAIL
4. Remove JackFlash, Run LauncherX in RAM - SUCCESS
5. Install JackFlash, Run another launcher other than LauncherX - SUCCESS

So, I decided to jump ship and give ZLauncher a try. I wiped LauncherX from RAM, installed JackFlash, and then loaded up ZLauncher into RAM. I spent a couple hours last night "playing" with it, and so far, I am VERY impressed. Looks like ZLauncher has finally matured into a very nice launcher. It seems to play nicely with EVERYTHING so far, and it looks good. This may be the answer.

[Baloo]

Originally posted by jbarr
Hmmm. Good question. Actually, I DID have problems once I moved LauncherX back to RAM. I tried a number of permutations and all failed except two.

1. Install JackFlash, Load LauncherX into Flash - FAIL
2. Install JackFlash, Move LauncherX back to RAM - FAIL
3. Install JackFlash, Newly install LauncherX into RAM - FAIL
4. Remove JackFlash, Run LauncherX in RAM - SUCCESS
5. Install JackFlash, Run another launcher other than LauncherX - SUCCESS



OK, the thing you left out after #4 was "Install JackFlash, Run LauncherX in RAM SUCCESS"

Not to get in the launcher wars, my wife, one of my sons and I all have NX70V/U's running Launcher X and Jackflash and run our Clie's thru their paces rather vigorusly everyday and have experienced no problems whatsoever.

As a longtime user (with Palm's) of JackFlash, I learned early on that launchers in general are not good choices to move to flash.

[Narniahopper]

I couldn't agree more with the launcher/JackFlash incompatibility comment. Yishow and JackFlash gave me WAY too much trouble. Back then, setting Yishow as the default launcher was the fatal mistake. Then, even if you had a good backup on a memory stick, a hard reset would result in an almost unusable device. NR Buttons actually saved me a few times by giving me a way to navigate without the need to access a launcher (which would always result in a reset). From there I could change things enough to get my NR70V up and running again. But it wasn't easy.

[cbulock]

Jim,

Glad to see you finally converted to ZLauncher!:) One by one, eventually we all will be using it!!!:D :D

[jbarr]

Originally posted by Baloo
OK, the thing you left out after #4 was "Install JackFlash, Run LauncherX in RAM SUCCESS"

Not to get in the launcher wars, my wife, one of my sons and I all have NX70V/U's running Launcher X and Jackflash and run our Clie's thru their paces rather vigorusly everyday and have experienced no problems whatsoever.

As a longtime user (with Palm's) of JackFlash, I learned early on that launchers in general are not good choices to move to flash. Well. obviously, our milages vary. Maybe it was something else. I don't know. All I know is that when I first installed JackFlash and loaded in LauncherX, shortly thereafter, thungs went to hell. I could launch other apps to my heart's content, but when I launched LauncherX, I would get the fatal error requiring a reset every time.

It's unfortunate because I have been a proponent of LauncherX from the beginning. Until I can get things working on my NX, I'll stick to ZLauncher.

I'm glad you got it working!

[jbarr]

Originally posted by cbulock
Jim,

Glad to see you finally converted to ZLauncher!:) One by one, eventually we all will be using it!!!:D :D BUWAAHHAAA!

Now to see if I can figure out how to make some ZLauncher Skins! I want to make some to match some of my WonderSIlk skins or make some WonderSilk skins to match some of the cool ZLauncher skins!

[Tekken]

Anyone tried moving Textplus?

[Shrink]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by *YellowRose*
[B]Jeez.   I keep having to take apps in and out of flash.  Between the updates for DateBk5, Shadow and Zlauncher . . . it's getting really annoying . . .
QUOTE]

When I was using FlashPro I just used to delete DateBk3,4,5(whatever) from flash and move the new version in. The database is in RAM so you don't lose anything. You might be able just to move a new version over and maybe it'll overwrite the old version.
alan

[euroclie]

A few thoughts about the LauncherX / JackFlash issue:

I've not yet tried to move LX in Flash (especially so after reading jbarr's horror story), but I recently had a hard reset happen to me abruptly just after a hotsync (that was before installing JackFlash, and I still don't know why it did that).

Since I had to restore everything, I figured I'd do it "the right way" and reinstall everything by hand (I had a nasty problem since evaluating SuperNames, and the "Address" application would definitely not appear in the application list anymore in the "button" preference panel, even if I could still see its icon and launch it normally in the launcher... weird bug if you ask me). Doing this manual re-install indeed solved the bug. Since JackFlash beta 2 was just released, I installed it and move NetFront then DateBk5, etc. in Flash as soon as I had installed the applications.

Everything went smoothly (well, sort of, I faced a few soft resets like everyone else in the RAM->FlashROM files move), until I installed the system update from Sony (the one with the AT3 and MP3 updated drivers, amongst other files). After installing this update, my Clie was working properly, except I couldn't launch LX anymore, and it was still in RAM. I was walking downtown with friends when I discovered this, so I did not write down the error message, but this might be the same error that has been mentionned before.

After "hacking" with numerous warm resets, soft resets, trying to remove the supsect files with a file manager, etc. I finally managed to make the bug disappear. I've removed the two AT3 and MP3 update files as I don't use ATRAC3 at all and I don't use 98kbps MP3 files which the update seems to handle better, and the problem has stopped.

So maybe the bug some are facing when moving LX to flash is not related only to LX itself...

Anyway to get to the point after this (tedious) introduction, I think that the major issue when moving the launcher in FlashROM would be to de-activate it before moving it to FlashROM. This means going back to the builtin launcher as a default launcher, then moving LX or whatever launcher you're using, then starting the (moved) launcher again to make it the default launcher.

Not sure if this will solve the problem, but it seems a safe thing to do anyway.

Likewise, disabling every hack (or hack-like) program before moving it to Flash seems a good thing to do, even if JackFlash seems to be able to handle this for you (you might have seen that little dialog telling you that your Clie will need to be reset after moving a given file, which JackFlash does automatically for you).

[bemick]

The latest Bleeding Edge release of AcidImage now works fine from flash.

http://http://www.red-mercury.com/aibe.html

[HexiumVII]

Just wanted to add Comic Guru to the list.

BTW does anyone know how to remove the lightning flash icon in Launcher X?

[dmale7]

my contribution

-bdicty (just app)
-BibleThumper (just app...databases are on MS)
-Medmath
-Medcalc
-Memorize
-MyBible (App + books)
-Mcphling
-Kinu-maru
-Okey
-Pray!
-WonderSilk
-Photoskin
-isilo
-Datebk5
-Filez
-Biblereader (just app...books are on MS)

I have 143k free flash memory left...and 4890k of ram. I'm very happy.

[GANZ]

Did anyone get the WordToGoFonts working from Flash?

It has been giving me trouble.

[Narniahopper]

There is a beta available on the WordSmith Yahoo Group that works with JackFlash. Not sure when it will be released to the public, but I've not had any problems with it so far.

Link for the group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bn-wordsmith-discuss/

Link for the file:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bn-wordsmith-discuss/files/WordSmith3.22.2003.prc

[mbriody]

Originally posted by Tekken
Anyone tried moving Textplus?

Working fine for me.

[martindale]

So far as I can see, LauncherX works fine in ROM. I did follow the suggestion to disable it and return to the built in launcher before moving it.
BlueSync, however, does not work.

[fireman54]

JackFlash 3.0b3 is out. In case it is not known.

[HexiumVII]

Avantgo beta does seem to work, when i exit it crashes.

Some stuff i got working (that i didn't notice listed yet) in flash great:

Contacts 4
Comic Guru

[sadrik]

For the most part, 3.0b3 works well for me, except something odd has started happening with my WL100 card on my NX70v.

I haven't moved anything directly related to the WL100 CF card, but when I run NetFront, TG SSH or upIRC, packets stop flowing within about 2 minutes. I've only tested it on one wireless network so far, but it used to work for hours at a time before.

This is what I've moved (so far) into flash:

MegaLauncher 4.2
DateBK 5b preview 8
Mobipocket v4.5 build 382
Clie Mail v2.0
Shadow v2.7.1
MegaClock v1.4
Avx AT3Decoder
Avx MP3Decoder
FileZ
Fonts4NX v1.30
RPN v3.05
Ruler v2.15

I still have 1784MB of flash free. I used PowerRUN to move NetFront to MS and that's worked great for me, despite the slowness of MS.

My Clie crashed when I moved each of the Avx* binaries, but afterwards, I can still play MP3s just fine.

The AvantGo beta crashed my Clie every time I quit the app so I moved it back out.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by sadrik
For the most part, 3.0b3 works well for me, except something odd has started happening with my WL100 card on my NX70v.

I haven't moved anything directly related to the WL100 CF card, but when I run NetFront, TG SSH or upIRC, packets stop flowing within about 2 minutes. I've only tested it on one wireless network so far, but it used to work for hours at a time before.I doubt this has anything to do with Jackflash, since you didn't move anything related to wireless and others aren't seeing this problem. For example, I've run it with and without my wireless files in Flash and haven't had any issues like this. Probably just a coincidence. I bet Jackflash gets blamed for more things that aren't it's fault than any other app, since people will always suspect it first.

[nmincone]

Works in flash as well;
PocketQuicken
IambicMail

[somas1]

has anyone tried splash photo?

[sadrik]

Well, I just stuck the new Acrobat reader (v2.0, supports 320x320 on the NX) into flash, leaving me with 1k free! Woo!

My earlier woes with my suddenly-failing WL100 NIC appears to be the cause of a faulty access point. Didn't think it was JackFlash, but the coincidence was too great.

[jasonscf]

How about Picel viewer on NZ90? Does anyone test for putting this into the ROM? Does it work?

[pruss]

OK, now a really ignorant question. Where does one get Jackflash 3.0b1 from? Alex

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by pruss
OK, now a really ignorant question. Where does one get Jackflash 3.0b1 from? Alex www.brayder.com

:)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by jasonscf
How about Picel viewer on NZ90? Does anyone test for putting this into the ROM? Does it work?

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