Bad graffiti of SJ33

[Convert]

Has anyone encountered problems with the graffiti on the SJ33? Mine seems to make many errors. I've been using a palm for years and have never encountered so many bad entries. About 50% of the time when I enter an E, I get ans S or nothing at all. Is anyone else having similar problems?

[Jallez]

Hello
I had the same kind of problems with an old Clie (don't remember the number : 675??). Most of the time the screen was dirty, but later I felt the screen was too "smooth" and no more hard. I sent it to Sony that changed it but the new screen was the same. Now I have the NZ wich is the first Clie with a "hard" screen I ever had (much better than the NR and the NX). Anyway you can get better results with a Brando screen protection.

[DanW]

I noticed the same thing! I thought it was me but like you, I have had a Palm of one brand or another for years and all of a sudden I can't enter a "K"! Driving me nuts!

I have been trying to write larger letters and that seems to help a bit. Still, it's not a troubling enough problem for me to even think about returning the unit. I am very happy with the form factor.

[elf]

Originally posted by DanW
I noticed the same thing! I thought it was me but like you, I have had a Palm of one brand or another for years and all of a sudden I can't enter a "K"! Driving me nuts!


I would agree about a high error rate on the Clie. I'm a 2 year Graffiti veteran and if anyone looked over my shoulder now, they would think I'm a noob...:mad:

Regarding "k", try doing a fish-symbol:



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Begin at the top-right, go to bottom-left, loop-up and finish at bottom-right.

For "X" it's a 180 degree mirror image...

[cass_m]

I thought it was just me:) I've noticed a higher error rate with my SJ30 vs. my Visor but thought it was just because I tend to write light and small....

[notmuch]

I also consider myself pretty good with graffiti (6yrs!, 5 PDA's) and definitely noticed a drop on the SJ30. I started using Scotch 811 Removable tape on just the graffiti area and it definitely helps my recognition. YMMV. Actually using it over a Brando protector, and I replace it every couple weeks.

[clie_lover33]

Yes, similar problems, when I try enter V it gives me a Q, I enter C and it givem me L and so on, I had Visor Neo before and didn't have that many graffiti problems. Maybe it's because the actual graffiti area is a little smaller than that on "regular" palms?

[clie_lover33]

it helps when you write big letters, a little annoying but definitely helps

[davidtm]

I was having serious problems with Graffiti on my Palm IIIc just before changing to the SJ33. I had done well with Graffiti for years, but I figured that the Palm's memory was filling up (I had only about 1 MB left) and that was compromising the CPU's ability to read my writing.

Since getting my 33, I've had fewer problems.

FWIW

[Aces]

I too have had increased error rate with my SJ33.&nbsp; I had Visors before; so it may be a matter of screen pressure.&nbsp; I use Middle Caps Hack.&nbsp; And I'd swear that with&nbsp;any letters that require me to start in the number area, I get numbers instead of letters 50% of the time.&nbsp; As I have taken to press a little harder, the problem is less frequent.&nbsp; I use scotch 811 tape over my graffitti area; and no other screen protector.

On a slightly different note: has anyone used Rain-X on their SJ33 screen?&nbsp; I have used it on my Visors with great results.&nbsp; But I'd rather know others have been problem free before I try it on a new type of screen.&nbsp; My main concern is that some Palm units use a plastic screen.&nbsp; Whereas Rain-X is designed for glass (and never w/ a PDA in mind).

[bordeaaj]

I read somewhere that the grafitti area on the Clies has been slightly compressed horizontally to make the viewing area seem slightly larger but that the Grafitti program itself has not been optimized to compensate for that compression. This was supposed to account for the decrease in accuracy of the grafitti recognition.

[DanW]

I have always used Rain-X as a screen protector on my PDA's and so far no problems on my SJ33. In fact, I have never had a problem using it on any of my past PDA's.*

I apply it about once a week.

* Your results may vary :)

[palmgeek]

Thought it was the skinny stylus... but my SJ20 has been driving me nuts. I had a near 100% recognition rate with my 3 other Palm OS devices. My SJ20 makes me feel like some fat-fingered doofus. I get constant errors on letters I had mastered years ago.

[Convert]

Thanks for all the feedback. Now I feel even more satisfied with my Tungsten T with very few graffiti errors, vs. my wife's SJ33 that is driving us both nuts with all of the Graffiti errors.

[packrat_24]

Originally posted by bordeaaj
I read somewhere that the grafitti area on the Clies has been slightly compressed horizontally to make the viewing area seem slightly larger but that the Grafitti program itself has not been optimized to compensate for that compression. This was supposed to account for the decrease in accuracy of the grafitti recognition.


If they did compress the grafitti area, should there be a change in the way grafitti is written to compensate for this change? Perhaps, writing smaller letters on the lower end, etc?

[johnnymapson]

Glad to know I am not the only one with the problem! E and K give me the biggest problem. I find that the harder I press with the stylus the better it works.

[sixty-four]

Have any of you SJ33 owners tried running the Grafitti demo app to see exactly how your stylus strokes are being read by the digitizer? It might lend some insight into what is going on with the SJ33 and allow you to make corrective adjustments to your handwriting.

[Bjarne]

When writing the letter "O" remember to end your counter-clockwise circle a little bit higher than you started - otherwise you´ll get a "G".
All letters starting on top of graffiti screen = H,I,J,L, you must start inside the graffiti screen, don´t start too high, or "outside", like you could on the Palm V.

Also, the Clié Grafitti is very sensitive; the slightest of touches, any hesitant move, will turn your writing-mode into "punctuation shift=tap once (.).
I hated Graffiti severely in those days (=last month:-)....)
Apart from this, & remember to do BIG letters, I find the Clié Grafitti
(on SJ30&T675C) works pretty much like my old palms (Pilot 500, Palm V)

I did the alphabet & my usual symbols 9-10 times - noting what letters, numbers & symbols the Clié wasn´t really happy with - did all the tricky ones each 5-6 times - and the adjustments necessary turns out to be very minute but pretty clear, once you check them out, one by one.

The whole process took me under 10 minutes. Before, I thought Clié Grafitti was a mess; after, it´s just as good/easy ( but in no way better/easier ) than the Palm V.

Hope this might help some.

[pumpkineater]

Have anyone tried handwriting recognition software? Shouldn't that fix a lot of problems discussed in this thread. I hear you can write all over the screen with some of these add-ons.

I have never tried it myself but would be interested in hearing about experiences of handwriting recognition software in general as well as on the SJ33.

/peter

[bordeaaj]

Aces...If you configure MiddleCaps hack to work over the crossing line, adjust the marks to where your crossing line is with the arrows in the configuration screen, and then check the "Show Marks" box that should help reduce crossing line errors.

I have been using the new version of Jot with the Treo 90 and it works awesome, esp when combined with KeyCapsHack for the keyboard. Jot should work just as well with the SJ33. I will load it and try it out. Jot is very expensive though at $39.

Packrat_24 ...As far as the compressed grafitti area goes, it seems the grafitti program should have been tweaked to compensate but it hasn't been according to all the report I read complaining about grafitti errors on Clies. I suppose you would have to write your letters shorter and fatter rather than just small to compensate by yourself.

[bordeaaj]

I did load Jot on my SJ33 and it works great! It combines better handwriting recognition than the grafitti area with the features of MiddleCapsHack. It also works perfectly with WordComplete. The letters and numbers are just how you would write them on paper for the most part. If you try it out it may feel a little strange after using grafitti for so long, but there is a good tutorial in the program. There is a free program similar to Jot called NewPen, it might work just as good. I tried an early version but it seemed to have a delayed reaction when writing, I am sure it has been much improved by now. Hope this helps some of you.:)

[TimLynch]

WOW-
Hi My name is Tim, and I have Grafitti problems?
I have been a grafitti user since the first Pilot, I was going crazy with all the errors. I tried diffrent stylus and nothing seems to be working... So what can we do? Is there a fix? (other then return the unit)

[TripleOh18]

Man, I was really psyched to find an SJ33 in my local store. Looks great, but yeah - I gotta say the graffitti recognition is an issue. I've gotten pretty good on my IIIxe. I would have made the impulse purchase if it weren't for the fact that the error rate was so high. Any hopes?

[Bjarne]

MiddleCaps - KeyCapsHack - Packrat_24 - NewPen - ...

Man, do I feel humble...what´s all this?
I started using Graffiti on a Palm Pilot 500, had to adjust some when changing to Clié, last month I discovered WordComplete; can´t live w/o it now....

Could someone please bring me up to date? ...:-)

..&.. what´s Jot? ..where can I get it? ..hard to adjust to, when used to Graffiti?
It has to be a whole lot better than Graffiti, or why would you want to change?

..&..why no Graffiti updates, refinements, possible personal adjustments, or customized versions?

[bordeaaj]

Hi Bjarne

You can read about and obtain Jot, NewPen, and MiddleCapsHack (you won't need KeyCapsHack since your PDA doesn't have a keyboard) by searching for each at http://www.palmgear.com/ . Many have the same feeling about these as you have about WordComplete...they can't live without them. Jot and NewPen are similar to Grafitti but allows you to write directly on the screen you are working on instead of the grafitti area. You write directly on the screen just as if it were a big grafitti area only you write as if you were making normal characters, not grafitti symbols. You get letters on one side and numbers on the other. Like MiddleCapsHack they will capitalize letters if you write them in the dividing line between the letter and number areas. They also trace your letters as you write so you can see what the letter looks like as you write it...helps you learn the right way to form them I guess. Jot costs $39 but gives you a three day trial I think. NewPen is free. Since Jot and NewPen reset yur device to replace Grafitti yoy probably don't want to install them at the same tim. Delete one before you try the other. If you don't want a Grafitti replacement but want faster capitalization, MiddleCapsHack capitalizes letters in as you write them on the dividing line in the Grafitti area. It will require you to download a hack manager like X-Master, and both are also free. Hope that clears things up for you!

[palmgeek]

Jot was a big dissappointment. I had it loaded for about 2 hours when I got a fatal reset. The on-screen button didn't work, so I had to poke the reset button on the back. When my SJ20 came back up - my Jot trial period had expired. Go figure?

They must have shorter days on the planet Jot was written on...

I tend to frown upon programs which crash my CLIE, so I don't know if I'll give it another try (if I even can, since I had it installed once already, and it *thinks* I exceeded the trial period).

[pumpkineater]

Hi,

What does it mean that the SJ33 has no virtual grafitti area? The fact that it has not seems to be regretted by many people (have seen this in a few reviews around the net)...

/peter

[Aces]

The virtual graffitti area is where the screen is inc reased in length so you have 320 (wide) X 480 (tall) pixels on the screen.&nbsp; Then there is no dedicated graffittii area.&nbsp; So with software you have the bottom part of the screen change to look and act like the normal graffitti area.&nbsp; the advantage is the you can reclaim this area for your applications whenever you don't need it for graffitti.&nbsp; The new Garmin IQue 3600&nbsp;PDA has this and their website has a great interactive to show how it will pop up and back down.

http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/# , then take the "360° product view" link, then take the bottom most item on their list of features.&nbsp; By clicking the indicated area on the image, you'll see the graffitti area emerge then diaspear.

Garmin's is not the only PDA to do this (and the IQue is not even available yet) but they do an excellent job of illustrating how it feels to have this feature.

In my opinion, the only drawback of a virtual graffitti area is that the bottom area of the screen may get scratched enough (over time) to where&nbsp;the scratched screen is&nbsp;iritating when not graffitting.&nbsp; I don't know if graffitti speed suffers in some way either.

[notmuch]

Originally posted by pumpkineater
Hi,

What does it mean that the SJ33 has no virtual grafitti area? The fact that it has not seems to be regretted by many people (have seen this in a few reviews around the net)...

/peter

Most Palm OS PDA's have a square screen (either 160x160, or 320 x 320 pixels) with a dedicated grafitti input area below. Virtual grafitti refers to the "HiRes+" devices that have 320 x 480 screens; the grafitti area can be used for input or as an extension of the screen above.

[Bjarne]

Trying Jot
- 1st impression: Great! Smart!

Then: What?! No, it can´t be true?!

No Ææ,Øø and Åå,Ää,Öö is ridiculously hard?!
What about "write like you always did"...?!

I mailed them right away, no answer so far...

[Bjarne]

Just got an answer; forget my previous post!
Now I´m really gonna compare Graffiti vs. Jot!
Exciting!

[bordeaaj]

No Ææ,Øø and Åå,Ää,Öö is ridiculously hard?!
What about "write like you always did"...?!

Sorry Bjarne-
Jot has been great for regular old American alphabet, I'm not sure how it will be for the international symbols.

[X Destruction]

Here's another animation, this one is just composed of pictures so it's smaller than my e-s one.

http://kasyeng.virtualave.net/graffiti2.gif
I believe all real graffiti mistakes are from the user, not the machine.

[mrdeucie]

Originally posted by clie_lover33
Yes, similar problems, when I try enter V it gives me a Q, I enter C and it givem me L and so on, I had Visor Neo before and didn't have that many graffiti problems. Maybe it's because the actual graffiti area is a little smaller than that on "regular" palms?

Instead of writing "v" like it is displayed in the graffiti tutorial, you can just do a backwards "u" (start from the right, dip down and come back up). Voila!! There you have it a "v".

[PaulNB]

Originally posted by TripleOh18
Man, I was really psyched to find an SJ33 in my local store. Looks great, but yeah - I gotta say the graffitti recognition is an issue. I've gotten pretty good on my IIIxe. I would have made the impulse purchase if it weren't for the fact that the error rate was so high. Any hopes?

Sure there's hope, try one for yourself! I may be almost the only person posting about it but I can tell you I have no complaints with Grafitti recognition on my almost 3 week old SJ33. I had an N760 before so maybe it made a difference. Just try running the Grafitti application that teaches Grafitti like someone else recommended so you can see how your strokes are being interpreted.

[TripleOh18]

Originally posted by PaulNB


Sure there's hope, try one for yourself! I may be almost the only person posting about it but I can tell you I have no complaints with Grafitti recognition on my almost 3 week old SJ33.

I did try one - for about 1/2 in the store. Then I went online (here) to discover other folks had the same issue. Oh well,
it's encouraging to hear that you have no problem. Maybe I'll just have to buy one on a 14 day trial return.

[davidtm]

Ironically, I was beginning to have problems with Graffiti when my strokes were getting smaller and smaller (in haste) on my previous IIIc. So now on my Clie, I have better results due to the slightly smaller Graffiti area.