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Jessica
03-16-2003, 12:20 AM
Just a question? How many songs can you get on a 64mb memory stick?
I have a mac does anyone know how to put mp3's on your clie?
yOyOYoo
03-16-2003, 01:21 AM
Also, just how loud is mp3 playback through the speaker anyways?
Lucid
03-16-2003, 02:30 AM
Well... As I'm sure you realize, the number of songs you can fit on a 64 MB stick depends on the length of the songs. I have such a stick, filled to the brim, with 16 songs on it.
I'm not a Mac user, but putting mp3s on your Clie should be a pretty straight forward process. Just connect your Clie to your desktop with the MS Import utility, and then copy your mp3s over to the /PALM/PROGRAMS/MSAUDIO directory. When you click on AudioPlayer, your music will be there, waiting for you.
As to playing back music through the Clie speaker... It's no boom box, and the sound quality isn't the greatest, but if you hold it up to your ear, it should be plenty loud enough.
Take care!
Lucid
parmesian
03-16-2003, 02:40 AM
i am assuming you are using missing sync to sync your clie with the mac. if that is the case then when you mount the memory stick onto the desktop using ms import you can open up itunes and there will be a song list on the left menu that you have never seen before. this is the memory stick. to put songs on the ms you just drag and drop from the library list.
be sure to eject the memory stick from the desktop before hitting disconnect on the handheld to avoid problems.
with missing sync you also get a iphoto plugin that lets you format your iphoto pics to fit the handheld.
The number of files depends upon your mp3's. You said it yourself:
Just sum up your songs MB and see: if it is more than 64MB than it is too big.
The folder where to put them is:
/Palm/Programs/Msaudio
If you have a US version you should use the Patch for your clie in order to play the mp3's properly- some low quality don't play cause of a bug.
n2ifp
03-16-2003, 10:07 AM
The actual capacity of the 64mb stick is less, but I don't remember the exact size though. Maybe somewhere around 61-62mb's in size.
SIze of files also depends on time and resolution. The higher recording rate in kbps, the more memory it uses. Some get by with 96kbps, which is fine for most, while others are more discriminating in their listening sound quality may record at 320kbps.
On average I can get about 34-35 songs on a 128mb MagicGate MS in the ATRAC format so I would guess the average for a 64mb ms would be 16 or 17.
Rick 098
03-16-2003, 05:42 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by yOyOYoo
Also, just how loud is mp3 playback through the speaker anyways? [/QUOTE
i never use it all the way up.
donaldekelly
03-23-2003, 05:36 PM
It is pretty low in my experience. Maybe my source file (I haven't done many yet) was low in volume.
n2ifp
03-23-2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by donaldekelly
It is pretty low in my experience. Maybe my source file (I haven't done many yet) was low in volume.
Yes, you have to get the record/source level up.
quiller
03-23-2003, 06:01 PM
what is the difference in compression between ATRAC3 and MP3? which is better, etc?
n2ifp
03-23-2003, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by quiller
what is the difference in compression between ATRAC3 and MP3? which is better, etc?
ATRAC3 is a tad better with compression. Sound quality is basically no different. I personally resent Sony trying to exert it's control. Additionally, burning ATRAC3 files seems to be a difficult and cumbersome chore, IMHO.
akfreas
03-23-2003, 07:48 PM
Does anyone know of a mp3 utility that will let you turn up the source volume? Then I could actually listen to MP3 out of the speaker.
n2ifp
03-23-2003, 08:09 PM
The speaker was really intended for listening to mp3's, only using the headphones or an external amplifier.
akfreas
03-23-2003, 08:14 PM
Huh? What do you mean, n2ifp?
parmesian
03-23-2003, 10:28 PM
n2ifp left out the "not" in the sentence. it should read "The speaker was not really intended for listening to mp3's"
n2ifp
03-23-2003, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by parmesian
n2ifp left out the "not" in the sentence. it should read "The speaker was not really intended for listening to mp3's"
Oh, sorry and Thanks!
jimod
03-24-2003, 01:10 AM
Best i have done ias 19 tracks, but the songs were all pretty short 60's pop tunes. I tried to do Tubular bells at 128, it will not fit on a 64 mb stick. with a decent sound level that "song" (2 full album sides) was about 45 minutes long.
Most of you may know the beginning of the song. It is the music made popular from the movie The Exorcist.
Originally posted by n2ifp
ATRAC3 is a tad better with compression. Sound quality is basically no different. I personally resent Sony trying to exert it's control. Additionally, burning ATRAC3 files seems to be a difficult and cumbersome chore, IMHO.
Eh? Are you sure? I tried ATRAC3 comparde to 320kb mp3 the diffence is even "hearable".
I prefer ATRAC3 myself for it is compact and convenient to listen to AND works with NetMD-Players as well.
I can't believe somebody tested 128kb being as good as a CD. Or do I have the wrong encoder?
Oh and the Loudspeaker isn't that fine admitted. But it is loud enough to be heard in 4m distance. Maybe you should change the volume of the mp3..
mjhamilton
03-24-2003, 04:21 AM
I have a 64M MG stick which currently runs 30 tracks (2 full albums + some extras)...
This lot is encoded as ATRAC3 66kbps and sound better than 96kbps MP3..... the ATRAC encoding is far better than MP3 as it is proprietary and not opensource.... this has meant that Sony have put a lot of time and effort in making it work...
If I had a 128M MG stick I would be able to stick 60+ tracks on there at this rate..... (4+ albums)
I just wish the NX would run ATRAC3Plus as this format is even better and the files are 10-20% smaller.
mjhamilton
03-24-2003, 04:28 AM
oh yes.... ATRAC is also proven as Minidisc were always recoreded in this format......
MP3 compresses data accross the entire track were-as ATRAC removes the portions of data that the human ear cannot hear before the 'actual' sound data becomes affected... the more compressed the file in ATRAC the more you notice the top end and bass being 'clipped'..... the more you complress MP3 the worse the entire track becomes....
Just my 2 cents..... and SongStage isn't all that bad...... just requires a bit of time and effort.......
n2ifp
03-24-2003, 07:06 AM
I find mp3's sound just fine at 96kbps. I resent Sony using the ATRAC3 format and it's control over how I use my player. I'd sooner do without! The people in the UK seem to be more accepting of it, but I don't really understand why, to each his own I guess.
I am a firm believer in the KISS mode(keep it simple). Mostly I prefer to use my portable mini-disk player for listening to my tunes :).
n2ifp
03-24-2003, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by nx70
Eh? Are you sure? I tried ATRAC3 comparde to 320kb mp3 the diffence is even "hearable".
I prefer ATRAC3 myself for it is compact and convenient to listen to AND works with NetMD-Players as well.
I can't believe somebody tested 128kb being as good as a CD. Or do I have the wrong encoder?
Oh and the Loudspeaker isn't that fine admitted. But it is loud enough to be heard in 4m distance. Maybe you should change the volume of the mp3..
I am sorry, I should have been clearer. When comparing apples to apples by recording at similar bit rates, the ATRAC3 has the edge in compression.
The people in the UK seem to be more accepting of it, but I don't really understand why, to each his own I guess.
Or perhaps they are more respectful of copyrights :rolleyes:
n2ifp
03-24-2003, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by yawn
Or perhaps they are more respectful of copyrights :rolleyes:
What has that have to do with anything? I don't do anything illegal and I am a strong believer in consumer fair use laws. I believe it's my right to make copies of my CD's for my use and enjoyment as I see fit! Not for others, but for me. If a company has to control my life as to how I use their product that I have purchased, then they can stuff-it!
mjhamilton
03-24-2003, 07:53 AM
Who knows???..... in the UK we have always been ripped off with regards to music in terms of CD price so I guess this one is just another to add...
.... I do have to defend the fact that ATRAC IS the superior format... altho I do concede that in the world of 'file-sharing' MP3 is the better and more flexible solution... ATRAC is limited due to its 'check-in/check-out' method and encryption requiring MG keys.....
Oh well... anyone got any other formats to 'muddy the water'??... and anyone know whether the NX will ever support ATRAC3Plus because then it will deffinetly be worth putting up with the software and limitations!
mjhamilton
03-24-2003, 07:57 AM
... n2ifp.... I guess the point that Sony et al will make to your statement is that you are in the minority!!.... I too only copy music so for my own usage......... but alas there are others who just rip and chuck it on the www........
...... sometimes they do go about it badly tho... in the UK they are trialing the new CD's that wont play on anything other than a dedicated CD player (ie they wont play on you CD-ROM drives)..... these have met huge opposition and even Philips (the CD inventor) has said that they are not proper CD's and should not carry any mark saying so...... again another idea from Sony who's heart in the right place but the fist is punching too hard!!
.............. have fun y'all
mjhamilton
03-24-2003, 07:59 AM
...oh yeah... the point I was making is that if you guys in the US hate MG technology then you are REALLY NOT going to like it if this one goes ahead....
.... also bit of a 'shot in the foot' for Sony as it is they who are pushing for it with one hand.. but at the same time it is they who are trying to sell you netMD devices that require CD's to be ripped from a CD-ROM with the other....
.. HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD!?!?!?!?!
I believe it's my right to make copies of my CD's for my use and enjoyment as I see fit! Not for others, but for me. If a company has to control my life as to how I use their product that I have purchased, then they can stuff-it!
I would like to put a copy of any Palm OS software I "own" on all the PDAs I have too :).
Alistar
03-24-2003, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by mjhamilton
oh yes.... ATRAC is also proven as Minidisc were always recoreded in this format......
MP3 compresses data accross the entire track were-as ATRAC removes the portions of data that the human ear cannot hear before the 'actual' sound data becomes affected... the more compressed the file in ATRAC the more you notice the top end and bass being 'clipped'..... the more you complress MP3 the worse the entire track becomes....
Just my 2 cents..... and SongStage isn't all that bad...... just requires a bit of time and effort.......
MP3 also removes sound that the human ear cannot hear as well.
Look at these links.
http://www.cnn.com/2000/TECH/computing/02/03/mp3.works.idg/
http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/mp3/chapter/ch02.html
http://www.nomadworld.com/infocenter/resources/read.asp?ArticleID=3009
jimod
03-24-2003, 11:05 AM
Why would sony take both sides of the fight, because they can make more money, nothing confusing or noble, not even devious. Just plain old greed.
Well, ATRAC and MP3 are using a similar technique. Though ATRAC is far more superior. I don't know why. But just try to listen to a 160 bit recorded mp3 and a ATRAC sound. You will hear, that the mp3 are cut off the heights and basses. ATRAC does this as well, but not that markable.
Maybe mp3 is easier to handle. Or it maybe the same like USB2.0 and FireWire. Nobody needed USB2.0 but Intel pushed it in the market so it became a new standard.
:-(
EvilGenius
03-24-2003, 06:22 PM
I find mp3's sound just fine at 96kbps. I resent Sony using the ATRAC3 format and it's control over how I use my player. I'd sooner do without! The people in the UK seem to be more accepting of it, but I don't really understand why, to each his own I guess.
Not quite sure I follow this. Sony hasn't done anything to prevent you from using MP3s. In fact the included player plays them just fine.
They have given you a superior format to MP3 that comes with a few strings attached (you have to use Sonicstage, you have to check in music when you're done, you have to use Magicgate Memorysticks) and yes, those restrictions are in place to prevent music piracy, which is understandable since Sony owns Columbia Records.
So in essence Sony seems to have given you an option to use a superior format with some mild restrictions to protect their own interests. If you don't like those restrictions they have done nothing to restrict you from choosing an alternative format.
Being angry at Sony over this is like buying a glass of milk, being given a free stick of butter, and then saying they are restricting you because they didn't give you cream.
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