Does Anyone Notice

[sstrasser86]

That you have to restart you clie alot? I remember on my old 505 i would almost never had a fatal error problem...i know its not as capable as a NX but doesn't it kind of piss you off that you have to restart it so many times?

[Submicron]

The only fatal errors I have noted have occurred from 1) running programs I transferred from my N710 to the NX70 (via hotsync) that were not OS5 compatible, and there were several, and 2) running the trial version of YiShow (a new version out now, I believe).

Since I eliminated the offending software and changed to ZLauncher, I haven't gotten another fatal error (that's been about 3 weeks now).

[rhart00]

I get fatal errors and have to reset pretty regularly but that is only because I install and unload a lot of software on my clie and sometimes it is software that has conflicts with other software or doesn't work with OS5. It hardly ever has to do with the clie itself.

[rldunn]

Unless I'm testing some beta software that has problems, I can't remember the last time I had to do a reset. As long as you make sure you're getting solid software, it shouldn't be a problem.

[stronggeek]

Originally posted by rhart00
I get fatal errors and have to reset pretty regularly but that is only because I install and unload a lot of software on my clie and sometimes it is software that has conflicts with other software or doesn't work with OS5. It hardly ever has to do with the clie itself.

What he said!

[Alistar]

Yea I only get fatal errors when I try to install and use programs that aren't os5 compatible. I do a lot of this so there is usually a stretch of about 1 or 2 hours every once in awhile. Other than installing and running an incompatible program I have only seen a fatal error once.

[rcoffman]

Originally posted by rldunn
Unless I'm testing some beta software that has problems, I can't remember the last time I had to do a reset. As long as you make sure you're getting solid software, it shouldn't be a problem.

:) Same for me

[sstrasser86]

well of course it a hit or miss ordeal, u don't know what will and won't work...I know with the OS5 and more room for myself. Downloading skins, new progs. and such u have to reset but i was just saying that it can get annoying at some times

[flyclieguy]

having grown up with windows, I am used to it.

[stronggeek]

Annoying- yes, but when I have very few apps (Which is rare) on most of my palms (nx included) they don't crash. I also realize that when I beta an app, especially one or more at a time that the risk of reset, both soft and hard increases. Then again that goes with out saying, because it happens on any system- palm, windows, apple or otherwise. I like to tweak, so I'll deal with the annoyance, mainly because I'm the cause. :)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by sstrasser86
well of course it a hit or miss ordeal, u don't know what will and won't work...I know with the OS5 and more room for myself. Downloading skins, new progs. and such u have to reset but i was just saying that it can get annoying at some times

No question, some users though can bring on their own headaches. I liken them to bulls in a china shop :D!

[Del]

I have to restart every couple days.... what I don't understand though, I left it alone on the cradle for a weekend and took it with me on monday and when I turned it on I got a fatal error and it locked... I hit reset and it restarts and get a fatal error and locks... so I had to reset and clear memory, and of course I had no data.... Ordinarily this would ruin my day, except I mae a backup to memory stick everyday, and it really saved me, since my contacts are essential.

[n2ifp]

Some apps may not be stable or cause overall instability like hacks. Some users have inadvertantly may delete an important file. It takes detective work to pin it down. Sometimes by the process of elimination or a complete re-install. These PDA's really don't work any different that a desktop PC, just simpler in nature.
Glitches and corrupt bits in memory can wreck havok too. With a desktop PC, one can reboot and the RAM is refreshed from the hard drive. The only way to do it on a clie is a hard reset and restore from a clean backup.

[Rick 098]

Dont try pre os5 hacks.(dont work/reset).

[rxmedicine]

you can't compare an older device like your palm 505 to the clies nowadays....it's like apples and oranges...you 505 can't quite do all the stuff the new clies can do...in the way of multimedia....these functions can get very complex...which can result in incompatibilities....look at pocket pc their complexity is a help and hinder....i've used a pocket pc before and have had all kinds of problems....

[Tixx]

Originally posted by n2ifp


No question, some users though can bring on their own headaches. I liken them to bulls in a china shop :D!

I used to be that bull with my 615, but now I'm going to go easy with the NX:) May my headaches be avoided, I hope.

[sstrasser86]

thanks i understand the difference between 505 and NX70 i am just saying its quite the jump from none to almost a few a day (i install uninstall alot of stuff)

[EZCLIE]

I rarely need to reset my Clie. I have had a few programs that would neccessitate a reset. But I deleted them or updated to newer versions and that seems to take care of the problems.

-Ed

[chazzz]

I'm running an NX60, and in the past two weeks that I've owned it, I've had to reset my machine seemingly almost every day, usually multiple times. Part of it has been growing pains with OS5, that's for certain. Part of it is still under investigation.

I've gotten Fatal Exceptions in searches... still haven't really tracked that one down. My most recent search-related Fatal Exception resulted in a surprising hard reset. I couldn't believe it. But since the last backup (less than 24 hours prior), I had installed NetFront, the WL-100 card and DateBk5 p7. Now to try the WL-100 and NetFront again, then maybe p7.

[sputnik]

As has been mentioned, your going from an os4 device to a how shall I say...intermediate os5, as far as I can tell this version of the os is not the finished....I have seen that mentioned anyway. Anyhow, there are reasons that developers have to update their software and in so doing will introduce new bugs, usually if you contact the developer, they will update it and send the new copy, and it is nice to not get the crashes anymore, I have whitled mine down to almost 0 crashes.

[Benvolio]

Mine crashes WAY too often! And twice now I have encountered a white screen with blacked-out pixels. When I hit the reset button on the back, the screen begins flashing black and white. Then when I press the power button, it asks me if I want to perform a hard reset. If I choose No (any other key than the up arrow), it starts the flashing again...

I have ONLY Palm OS 5 (and NX) compatible programs on my Clie...

[n2ifp]

The fatal searches seems to be a common problem, plus the automatic hard resets.

Other than that, my NX70 is far more stable than my NR70 ever was.

Fatal errors are caused usually by some memory problem or corrupted file. There you have to pin it down and find the culprit. Always keep lots of rolling backups, sort of like System restore does in Windows XP. Make full backup copies of the memory stick to the hard drive.

I have had cases where the desktop backup got corrupted and the memory stick too. Needless to say I had to wipe everything clean. Having good a backup is a life saver.

Always be prepared for the worst to happen.

[Benvolio]

I have a dumb question:

What is the point of making backups if eveytime you sync it does so automatically? After my hard resets, I just sync and everything comes back like it was.

Perhaps because you are worried about losing information inserted into the Clie before syncing with your PCs? But I sync every morning, and I guess I do not insert so much data in any single day to merit a pre-sync backup...

Am I right about this? Am I missing something?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Benvolio
I have a dumb question:

What is the point of making backups if eveytime you sync it does so automatically? After my hard resets, I just sync and everything comes back like it was.

Perhaps because you are worried about losing information inserted into the Clie before syncing with your PCs? But I sync every morning, and I guess I do not insert so much data in any single day to merit a pre-sync backup...

Am I right about this? Am I missing something?

Okay, here's the scoop and a hypothetical example. Suppose you added a new program and it ran just fine and then you HotSync'd your clie.The very next day you go to use your address book and found it does nothing but give you a fatal errors. You do a hard reset and restore from the desktop. The fatal errors still persist, now what do you do? Once you HotSync'd, you just corrupted the backed up files. Sometimes you may not find it until several days later. Trust me, been there done that;)! Experience is the best teacher, especially if you have to manually put everything back. All you data and progies are gone :(!  I have 100+ apps now on my clie, what a pain it is to have to restore and find all the registration codes again. Not to mention that valuable data is lost forever.

Never trust the PC desktop backup!

[Submicron]

Originally posted by n2ifp


Okay, here's the scoop and a hypothetical example. Suppose you added a new program and it ran just fine and then you HotSync'd your clie.The very next day you go to use your address book and found it does nothing but give you a fatal errors. You do a hard reset and restore from the desktop. The fatal errors still persist, now what do you do? Once you HotSync'd, you just corrupted the backed up files. Sometimes you may not find it until several days later. Trust me, been there done that;)! Experience is the best teacher, especially if you have to manually put everything back. All you data and progies are gone :(!  I have 100+ apps now on my clie, what a pain it is to have to restore and find all the registration codes again. Not to mention that valuable data is lost forever.

Never trust the PC desktop backup! Just to add my own 2 cents worth, that is excellent advice! :)

[Voyager]

I've loaded a lot of stuff on my NX and have been lucky.. When I was trying out different apps I had to to warm resets a few times but haven't had to do a Hard Reset ever. Now that I have my Clie tweaked, it runs fine and doesn't give me errors.
~Voyager

[Shrink]

I rarely have to reset. I do a lot of beta testing and sometimes resets are inevitible but certainly no problem with the NX.
alan;)

[franci miller]

I think I have to do a hard reset I am having problems with my hotsync manager after laoding the new blekin driver and or hanzip and a feww other new apps.the hotsync on the desktop is not working correctly either.
My question is shat will i lose I can't find my disk to check there I think I left it at work. I know that I will lose all the memos and I think my 3rd party apps is that it or is there more? Francis

[sstrasser86]

100+ apps just on the clie?