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ClieMD
03-15-2003, 05:22 PM
It works great, no problems so far. There is over 4Mb of Flash to use
dramsey
03-15-2003, 05:43 PM
What's the advantage of storing apps in flash rather than on a memory stick?

I notice many apps I store on the memory stick seem to copy themselves back to RAM and stay there, but it's not obvious when they do this.

Will most apps run directly out of flash?
ClieMD
03-15-2003, 05:49 PM
yes they do run directly off flash and it can free up memory for your large apps that you prefer to have on RAM
vansouza
03-15-2003, 06:12 PM
I would think the primary advantage of Flash over the stick is speed...
pSYc0de
03-15-2003, 07:04 PM
i see words flash and stick
and all i can think of is can i flash you my stick

what do these mystical jack programs do... what do i know about them? jack all..
vansouza
03-15-2003, 09:56 PM
Bad, bad ID; pay attention to the SuperEgo... computer terms tend to be both masculine and brutal. Now you would add naughty... I blush.
riversen
03-16-2003, 12:13 AM
Oh, my aching ears... ugh! LOL. So has everyone's experience been good with JackFlash. How about JackSprat? Have you tried that one in the Beta version? It supposedly lets me delete and copy the applications off again. Will a total restore with the Beta remove any indication that I have messed with it (i.e. to avoid voiding my warrenty)??? Thanks for your input and thoughts.
vansouza
03-16-2003, 12:18 AM
When I had my NX60 Sprat and Flash were great because I could remove the video software; but now that I have the NZ I do not know what I would remove. So the spare 4 megs in Flash was a great thing to find... 2 cents...
JeayJ
03-16-2003, 12:26 AM
Let's see. Four MB of memory for $20. Hmmm. Makes the fourthcoming 256, 512 and 1Gb memory sticks seem cheap!!!
riversen
03-16-2003, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by vansouza
When I had my NX60 Sprat and Flash were great because I could remove the video software; but now that I have the NZ I do not know what I would remove. So the spare 4 megs in Flash was a great thing to find... 2 cents...
So you can actually remove the software taking space up in the 16 Meg's that I am "suppose" to have? Or are you only referring to the ROM? I like the idea of both. Thanks.
riversen
03-16-2003, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by JeayJ
Let's see. Four MB of memory for $20. Hmmm. Makes the fourthcoming 256, 512 and 1Gb memory sticks seem cheap!!!

But isn't this $20 for usable RAM on my PDA? Then compared to the $105 charge to upgrade my PDA to a higher RAM in the future from some 3rd party vendor, doesn't seem so bad... especially if it will free some of my RAM as well. I am not sure about that part, though.
ClieMD
03-16-2003, 07:57 AM
JackSprat b10 does not support OS5
kikouyou
03-16-2003, 12:31 PM
This is very frustrating.
I reniewed my licence yesterday and the Brayder site still tells me that the only think I can download is 2.6

This sucks
kkerruish
03-16-2003, 07:42 PM
All -

Don't forget the true value of the FLASH RAM...that if something happens to your clie, you suffer a hard reset, etc...nothing in the FLASH RAM is lost...

Well worth the 20$...gave me all the extra room I needed to have my preferred apps AND load a large Mapopolis map (Dallas County, TX...3.5mb)

As for the JackSprat - once it's out, I can get rid of the Remote Control, the Clie Launcher, and other misc. crap that I don't ever use...and have even more space...:)

It'll be a joyous day!

Ken
oneeyesquare
03-16-2003, 08:36 PM
Looks like a good way to minimize Netfront's memory footprint. Little scary to me though. I shall have to try to wade thru the 28 page topic over in the NX forum....
riversen
03-16-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by kkerruish
All -

Don't forget the true value of the FLASH RAM...that if something happens to your clie, you suffer a hard reset, etc...nothing in the FLASH RAM is lost...

Well worth the 20$...gave me all the extra room I needed to have my preferred apps AND load a large Mapopolis map (Dallas County, TX...3.5mb)

As for the JackSprat - once it's out, I can get rid of the Remote Control, the Clie Launcher, and other misc. crap that I don't ever use...and have even more space...:)

It'll be a joyous day!

Ken

Are you "once it is out" because you have OS5? Or does this not work on my T665 4.1?

Thanks for your help.
*YellowRose*
03-16-2003, 11:37 PM
Originally posted by vansouza
When I had my NX60 Sprat and Flash were great because I could remove the video software; but now that I have the NZ I do not know what I would remove. So the spare 4 megs in Flash was a great thing to find... 2 cents... Do you mean NR?  The JackFlash version for NX came out on Friday and there is no JackSprat for it yet.... 
Partridge
03-17-2003, 08:50 AM
I only got 3.3 mb of flash available on my NZ90.

I wonder what's taking up that extra space?
riversen
03-17-2003, 10:36 AM
That sounds like a lot. I would gladly take the 3.3 Meg's. I am not sure how much I will have. Does anyone know if it will allow me to open up some of RAM space as well?
Sonic
03-17-2003, 01:59 PM
I received an email from Brayner as a result of my concerns that I had just 1200K available with JackFlash on my European version of the NZ. This is due to the various languages present on the ROM which is using up space.

This is their reply

"We anticipate a release of JackSprat for the NZ90 within the
next two weeks."

Now I'm a happy bunny

:p
riversen
03-17-2003, 04:02 PM
Wow. I am getting the impression that this software is really save. I have not heard anything bad. I will install it tonight.

Sonic,

That is cool. I would get the NZ, but I am waiting for the true T665 upgrade. I hope it will be out soon. I am pretty sure it will be because others are close to market as well.
Unregistered
03-17-2003, 08:47 PM
i just bought jackflash last night, downloaded the beta, and now netfront, mapopolis and datebk5 are all in flash and running fine... don`t read the manual, just run the software, really easy...

greg
riversen
03-17-2003, 09:25 PM
How much extra space did you get? Were you able to delete some of the basic software on there?
greg elmassian
03-17-2003, 10:05 PM
about 4 megs..... only installed jackflash... to delete stuff you need jacksprat and the update is not out yet...

greg
dimensiondvdrob
03-17-2003, 10:05 PM
Can you move apps out of RAM and move them to a memory stick or just delete them? I am wary about using JackFlash, sice it messed up my NR70V's ROM completely, although I did lose my backup I made.
oneeyesquare
03-17-2003, 11:04 PM
Jackflash bought. Waiting for the email for the beta.... Netfront's goin' in and probably Zlauncher as well.

If JackSprat does come out for OS5, what to remove?!!!
riversen
03-17-2003, 11:51 PM
Bought it for T665 and it says that I am suppose to have 4 Meg of ROM, but cannot access it. Am I missing something?
oneeyesquare
03-17-2003, 11:53 PM
Jackflash update received. Only took about an hour for the whole process!!!

Netfront in flash and running fine!!! Ram at 5.1megs and 1306K of flash left. Hmmm... What else should I place in there?!!!

Sweet program!!!!
greg elmassian
03-17-2003, 11:56 PM
Originally posted by dimensiondvdrob
Can you move apps out of RAM and move them to a memory stick or just delete them? I am wary about using JackFlash, sice it messed up my NR70V's ROM completely, although I did lose my backup I made.

huh?
1. move apps out of ram to memory stick.. sure but this is not what jackflash is for.
2. delete them from ram.. sure...

I think you are missing what jackflash does, moves apps from ram to flash.. not memory stick... internal flash that is "left over", i.e. unused in main unit.

I think if this is not clear, and you buggered your NR70, and you lost your backup... you better not try living in the fast lane...

Leave your machine alone and backup...

Greg (no offense, just advice to someone who might be in over their head a bit)
oneeyesquare
03-18-2003, 12:26 AM
Riverson, did you tap on the arrow to the right of the app? It will drop down a list of actions to take. One being "Flash". Tap that and tap update and it will move that app to flash. Nice and simple.

I moved Picsel over as well. No probs. Have 188k left in flash. Figure I might as well move the mem hogs over. I have 6.5 megs in RAM now. I should be able to stitch several Mapopolis maps together now. My county and an adjoining county made about 3 megs..

Now if those pesky memstickPro's would show up, I could have a pretty packed machine!!!
dimensiondvdrob
03-18-2003, 12:46 AM
Greg,

Doesn't JackFlash also move apps from Flash to RAM? If so, I could move the remote app to RAM and then keep a copy on the MS, right?

Thanks.
oneeyesquare
03-18-2003, 12:50 AM
Jackflash doesn't deal with apps in ROM. It only shows the apps you've moved into flash. I believe that is more a function of Jacksprat. Someone posted earlier that Brayder emailed them that Sprat would be out in a coupla weeks, but from what I've read sprat can make a paperweight out of your PDA. I will not beta test it....
riversen
03-18-2003, 01:14 AM
Yes, that works. Hey, isn't there going to be an updated driver for the Memory Stick Pro's? Or is the driver already installed?
oneeyesquare
03-18-2003, 08:06 AM
Updaetd driver. Will bottle neck the speed of the stick though. Stinky Sony...
riversen
03-18-2003, 11:46 AM
Ugh!!! So much for taking advantage of the high speed transfer rates. Stinky, stinky Sony!!!
Alistar
03-18-2003, 11:54 AM
I don't know about bottlenecking as much. There is another thread where someone has tried the MS Pro and has seen some faster transfer rates. It is probably not as fast as it could be, but there is apparently some speed increase.
ecouturi
03-18-2003, 11:56 AM
Where can I get the jackflash 3.0
riversen
03-18-2003, 12:05 PM
Buy the normal version and then request a copy of beta. It works fine on my PDA's.
greg elmassian
03-18-2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by dimensiondvdrob
Greg,

Doesn't JackFlash also move apps from Flash to RAM? If so, I could move the remote app to RAM and then keep a copy on the MS, right?

Thanks.

I see what you are after... i think you will find that apps in rom (system flash) most likely cannot be moved... the copy protection bit is most likely set.... you need jacksprat to take things out of rom...

greg
riversen
03-18-2003, 10:47 PM
Greg,

That is exactly what I did. It works great for me. I used the beta version, it does this with the Clie Remote.
vansouza
03-18-2003, 10:52 PM
Is any one else concerned that we are going to see a ton of very upset people once they get their hands on JackSprat. I am afraid that many will rip thing out of flash and not keep a proper backup and there will be crying and nashing of teeth... big time...
riversen
03-18-2003, 10:57 PM
You are not the first to say it and you won't be the last. I have read a ton of posts already. If anyone uses this... back up your ROM and back up your back up on a CD or something. Just don't loose it if you think that you might want to have the original setting put back again. I cannot recommend it enough. As the directions say with anything delicate... Handle with care!!!