1src Forums - Jackflash Is Available For Nx Series!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rhart00

03-14-2003, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Tixx

In the NX specs:

Memory
16 MB RAM*6
16 MB (ROM)

So 4mb might be usable without removing any apps with a future release of JackSprat. I added some up and believe I could get an additional 2.5-3.5mb free. So and extra 6.5 to 7.5mb would be very nice:)

I believe jacksprat is the app used to delete ROM files and the dev said they can't get this app working for OS5 so I don't think you will be able to get any more than about the 4mb of empty space. that is a lot though..

ClieMarty

03-14-2003, 09:06 PM

why should jacksprat not work with os5 (at least at a certain date)? having a european clié i would like to get rid of language versions i don't use to free up some space.

Submicron

03-14-2003, 09:49 PM

WOW! JackFlash for OS5! Indeed, this is great news! I'll be eagerly awaiting info from the brave soul who first loads it on his/her NX!

Oh and by the way, I like the current administration of the US government.

TheUltimate

03-14-2003, 10:03 PM

Damn those business hours!! I wish it was monday!

n2ifp

03-15-2003, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by Submicron
Oh and by the way, I like the current administration of the US government.

Me too old man, me too :D!

reggae

03-15-2003, 02:30 AM

the both of you must be drinking the government kool aid. you guys wearin' purple nikes too?

jsp91470

03-15-2003, 02:53 AM

u know it says that the m505 has flash space on the website but it has like 66k so u don't really need this for some pda's

Not true, I had an m505 and used FlashPro with it, it had over 1.6 MB of free flash.

davidy

03-15-2003, 03:32 AM

Yay! Now to put the Chinese OS stuff away.

adamres

03-15-2003, 06:20 AM

why my nx60 only have 700k freespace rom??

terry@sourceori

03-15-2003, 08:43 AM

Ahhhhh Finally somthing to sinck our teeth into :)

sputnik

03-15-2003, 10:28 AM

adamres, did you download the program and try it, is that the amount of memory that you got from it.
thanx
bill

Token User

03-15-2003, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by reggae
the both of you must be drinking the government kool aid. you guys wearin' purple nikes too? You can get purple nikes? I thought they only came in red or blue??

rldunn

03-15-2003, 12:33 PM

I have already split several posts off of this thread into their own off-topic thread. Can we please get back on-topic in here? This thread is about the new Jackflash.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 12:44 PM

So I'm still going with previous statements that we will not see anything until Monday:( I really want to try this thing out.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 12:48 PM

I've heard from Brayder before over a weekend, but that's not to say they're taking this weekend off. I'm with the others who are surprised they mention this on Friday and then don't do anything for it until Monday, if that turns out to be true. Why not just put up the announcement early Monday morning?!?

outie

03-15-2003, 01:02 PM

Jackflash 3.0b1 indeed works well. I tried it last night on my US spec nx70 and I got 4mb free flash!!!

I've almost moved all my stuff to flash but i still only have 6mb ram free -_-;;

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 01:02 PM

So I don't get it? Are you saying there is 4MB (NX series) of empty space available that could be filled up using Jackflash. I assumed apps had to be deleted first to create space. Thats what I had to do with my T665, therefore needing Jacksprat first.

outie

03-15-2003, 01:11 PM

Yes there's 4MB of FREE FLASH SPACE on the US NX! I have filled it with 2mb already, still trying to find what i can put in flash

The JP spec has like 700k only

If apps are going to be deleted w/ Jacksprat(if possible) there will be much more than 4mb can be used

mashoutposse

03-15-2003, 01:16 PM

So we're back up to the memory offered by the Tungsten (the TT only offers a whopping 64k of free ROM space)? That's excellent -- hopefully, the bickering about RAM will stop.

bobchernow

03-15-2003, 01:41 PM

Outie,

How did you get your copy. I have heard nothing in response from Brayder.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 01:44 PM

Yea! How did he get it?

mpa50

03-15-2003, 02:15 PM

Outie-

Where did you get the file from? I've emailed them and haven't gotten any links and haven't been able to find any links on their site. Are you beta testing it for them or am I just totally missing the link somewhere?

MPA

outie

03-15-2003, 02:27 PM

Let's just say I didn't get it thru Brayder.

The program also requires a reg code (as you can see on brayder support page). I think that code is available to everyone who sent their hotsync ID thru that link? The program itself probably needs to be purchased, not the code. I am not sure.

mpa50

03-15-2003, 02:30 PM

Ok, well, when you get JackSprat let me know also! I would really like to see the two of them on the NX and see what kind of room I can free up. Getting rid of some of the Sony garbage taking up my precious space.

Silverback

03-15-2003, 02:30 PM

I got a reply from Brader today (same day of my request) that had a link for my download of JackFlash 3.0b1

I went here:

http://www.brayder.com/support/

and filled in the information under this:

Registration Code for JackFlash 3.0

http://www.brayder.com/support/jfregrequest.html

Hope this helps.

Oh, BTW, I cannot post the link they sent me as you will need a userid and password from them.

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 02:38 PM

What day was your request? I filled out the reg. code request page 2 hours ago and haven't heard anything yet. Maybe I'm to impatient.

MikeLang

03-15-2003, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by Silverback
I got a reply from Brader today (same day of my request) that had a link for my download of JackFlash 3.0b1

I went here:

http://www.brayder.com/support/

and filled in the information under this:

Registration Code for JackFlash 3.0

http://www.brayder.com/support/jfregrequest.html

Hope this helps.

Oh, BTW, I cannot post the link they sent me as you will need a userid and password from them.

So how much flash was you able to use on your NX? How did it go?

mdharris

03-15-2003, 02:55 PM

I downloaded it today but still unsure if I want to jump into this thing yet.

outie have you had any problems with it yet?

mpa50

03-15-2003, 02:56 PM

I think you can post the link they sent you. I already have a user name and pass...just need the link. If my user name and pass don't work, then it won't download.

Well, I'll be waiting unpatiently anxious as I seem to do a lot in this Handheld world.

Silverback

03-15-2003, 03:01 PM

I requested this very early (CST) today, Saturday, March 15th and got their reply as follows:

To: xxxxxxxxx@attbi.com
Subject: JackSprat Upgrade Request

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:50:03 EST

Please download the latest version of JackSprat using
the following link. This link has your username and
password embedded in it, please do not distribute it.

I don't know why their message indicated JackSprat :confused: but the link in the email they sent was for JackFlash.

The rest of the message had the link, userid and password.

I am not sure if this was an automated reply or if someone at Brayder is processing these requests manually.

BTW, I just registered with them less than a month ago and they only allow FREE upgrades for the first six months after your registration. If you registered more then six months ago (or didn't register at all) then you may have to pay them for this upgrade.

Hope this helps.

mpa50

03-15-2003, 03:03 PM

...following link. This link has your username and
password embedded in it, please do not distribute it.

I didn't know about that part.

Oh well.

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 03:08 PM

I got the same reply, I blew it off because it said JackSprat. I had requested the newest beta of JackSprat at the same time so thats what I thought I was getting. I was still waiting for JackFlash. Now I'll go back to the e-mail and "Go For It".

Thanks for the info.

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 03:16 PM

Spoke to soon, my link, with username and password took me to JackSprat. Still waiting for Jackflash link.

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 03:59 PM

I placed my request for 3.0 but have not received any response for over 12 hours
now.
How long have you guys waited until you received you response?
Not sure if I should try again or not.
Also the JackSprat is it the older version or one for OS5?
Thanks

outie

03-15-2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by mdharris
I downloaded it today but still unsure if I want to jump into this thing yet.

outie have you had any problems with it yet?

I haven't had any major problems(like involving hard reset, and I did a backup right before trying it)

The programs that seem to have problem upon exit (reset):
CresMeDoc
SplashClock

Programs that work in flash:
Agendus 6.01
Isilo
SplashMoney
YiShow
some Chinese fonts from HandDragon

and some more.

mdharris

03-15-2003, 04:20 PM

Have you tried doing NetFront?

This is probably the main one I would want to do.

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by n0m0n
I placed my request for 3.0 but have not received any response for over 12 hours
now.
How long have you guys waited until you received you response?
Not sure if I should try again or not.
Also the JackSprat is it the older version or one for OS5?
Thanks

The JackSprat link I got was for version 2.0b12. Still not OS5

rldunn

03-15-2003, 04:33 PM

I just got my Jackflash link and it's loading now. I'll let you know here how it goes. BTW, I requested this late last night.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 04:42 PM

Good news and bad news. On my NX, I have 4479K free!! But, I chose a ton of apps to move over to Flash, and it froze on the first one (DB5). Off to try and fix it now.

outie

03-15-2003, 04:46 PM

you should move one app at a time

and yes NetFront works in flash i am using it nowto reply

mdharris

03-15-2003, 04:48 PM

outie you are awesome. Just moving NetFront I assume it gives you 2MB free?

terry@sourceori

03-15-2003, 04:48 PM

These guy at brayder kill me I purchased the JackFlash / JackSprat bundle on 9/29/2002 and requested the 3 beta and the said no. Is my math off or is that within 6 months.

mdharris

03-15-2003, 04:49 PM

One more question, after you move what you want to move can you remove JackFlash from your Clie? Is it needed for the apps in flash that you moved to operate correctly?

outie

03-15-2003, 04:58 PM

Thing is I don't use NetFront I use pocketlink. So I can a lot more with that 2mb

I just tried removing JF and all the apps in Flash became VERY SLOW. Have to install JF back and do a soft reset... very strange.

mdharris

03-15-2003, 05:03 PM

I forgot that PocketLink supports Off-Line browsing now so I should probably switch to that app anyways.......

rldunn

03-15-2003, 05:05 PM

Outie, you don't normally need to move one app at a time with Jackflash; at least you haven't ever needed to with the versions I've used on previous devices. In fact, it actually makes better use of the memory available to move them all at once. For the beta version, it may be more stable at this time to do that, but before the release version is ready, they'll need to make sure you can move multiple files at a time.

I tried to move DB5 again, al by itself, and it hung again. Both times, I was able to just do a soft reset, and to be safe, released flash, reinitialized flash, and copied a version of DB5 over from my backup, though it seemed to work fine before copying from the backup.

I then tried moving Wordsmith v2.2.8 and RepliGo to Flash. Both moved fine, and RepliGo ran fine. Wordsmith would launch fine, but every time I exited, I would get "MemoryMgr.c, Line:1583 Not a handle". This was true with OKey, KeepWide, CodeDiver, McPhling, Colorize, and Fonts4NX all turned off, plus I tried it after exiting ZL and launching from the standard launcher. Can someone else test it with WS?

bemick

03-15-2003, 05:11 PM

WordSmith also crashed when exiting after I moved it to flash

Rick 098

03-15-2003, 05:17 PM

Nx has 16 total mb flash memory i think.(total,i dont know about useable)

rldunn

03-15-2003, 05:24 PM

More updates:

I moved a bunch more files at a time. It froze when I got to Docs2Go. I did a soft reset, and all were fine and Docs2Go was still in RAM. I tested all of the newly moved apps.

Ultrasoft Money gives the following error after entering my password: "BillMinderLib.cpp, Line:141, Failed to open code resource". I had moved BillMinder as well. I moved BillMinder back to RAM, and now all works fine.

The following apps had no problems:
Sheet2Go
RepliGo
ClieMail
PalmReader
EasyCalc
MathLib
SplashID

I then tried moving Docs2Go again, and it moved fine and ran fine after testing it. Because of that, I decided to try DB5 again, and this time it moved fine and also ran fine after it moved.

So far, my only errors are with WordSmith (tested tons of different preference settings in WS too, but always the same error) and with Ultrasoft Money when BillMinder is moved too.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 05:24 PM

Rick, NX has 4479K free.

TheGonz

03-15-2003, 05:28 PM

Just requested JackFlash 3.0 and a little later the regcode. Got correct and prompt responses both time. Installed on my NX (NX70V/E) and it now I have 2556K available flash.

I read that someone got 4mb free flash. Anyone know how this is possible? My NX is in the english language too. What can be the difference??

TheGonz

03-15-2003, 05:29 PM

PS: Sorry for the typos! It is already pretty late over here ;-)

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by TheGonz
Just requested JackFlash 3.0 and a little later the regcode. Got correct and prompt responses both time. Installed on my NX (NX70V/E) and it now I have 2556K available flash.

I read that someone got 4mb free flash. Anyone know how this is possible? My NX is in the english language too. What can be the difference??

Mine has the same as rldunn, 4479. I don't know why this is.:confused:

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
More updates:

I moved a bunch more files at a time. It froze when I got to Docs2Go. I did a soft reset, and all were fine and Docs2Go was still in RAM. I tested all of the newly moved apps.

Ultrasoft Money gives the following error after entering my password: "BillMinderLib.cpp, Line:141, Failed to open code resource". I had moved BillMinder as well. I moved BillMinder back to RAM, and now all works fine.

The following apps had no problems:
Sheet2Go
RepliGo
ClieMail
PalmReader
EasyCalc
MathLib
SplashID

I then tried moving Docs2Go again, and it moved fine and ran fine after testing it. Because of that, I decided to try DB5 again, and this time it moved fine and also ran fine after it moved.

So far, my only errors are with WordSmith (tested tons of different preference settings in WS too, but always the same error) and with Ultrasoft Money when BillMinder is moved too.

Thanks for all the info:) I want to do ZLauncher. Question thought. Why would you be putting Sheet2Go in when it can be run from the card? Quicker access if used alot is the only reason I see right now, but just curious as I might be missing something useful:)

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by rldunn

I tried to move DB5 again, al by itself, and it hung again. Both times, I was able to just do a soft reset, and to be safe, released flash, reinitialized flash, and copied a version of DB5 over from my backup, though it seemed to work fine before copying from the backup.

So what did you do that got this to work? Same hangup happens with me.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by Tixx

So what did you do that got this to work? Same hangup happens with me.

3rd time was a charm. It's in there now.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:46 PM

Power One Finance goes in fine.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by TheGonz
Just requested JackFlash 3.0 and a little later the regcode. Got correct and prompt responses both time. Installed on my NX (NX70V/E) and it now I have 2556K available flash.

I read that someone got 4mb free flash. Anyone know how this is possible? My NX is in the english language too. What can be the difference?? Based on what time you said it is, I bet you have a European version, which usually has the 5 European languages stored in RAM, called EFIGS. EFIGS was the origianl reason that Jacksprat was created.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:47 PM

UltraSoft money. A ok.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:49 PM

ZL hungup like DB5:(

rldunn

03-15-2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Tixx

Thanks for all the info:) I want to do ZLauncher. Question thought. Why would you be putting Sheet2Go in when it can be run from the card? Quicker access if used alot is the only reason I see right now, but just curious as I might be missing something useful:) Anything run from the card has an adverse effect on battery life, so that's one big reason. Another is that I'm really searching for apps to fill up all of this Flash!! So anything I can move to Flash means more room for files, pics, movies, voice recording, etc on my MS. But if you don't use it a lot and aren't having a problem filling up the Flash, then there's no reason not to leave it on the MS.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Tixx
ZL hungup like DB5:(

Splash ID hungup on me now too.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by Tixx

3rd time was a charm. It's in there now. Weird, it was the 3rd time for me as well!!

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:52 PM

TealPhone went in fine

rldunn

03-15-2003, 05:53 PM

SplashID moved fine and works fine for me. Also, I've successfully moved PowerOnePersonal and Handstory.

AcidImage v2.4r has the identical problem to WS. Runs fine, but when I exit, I get the same exact error message that I got with WS. Also tried changing preference settings to no avail.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
Weird, it was the 3rd time for me as well!!

That is strange. Maybe it will be like that for ZL and SplashID, for me at least, as well

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
SplashID moved fine and works fine for me. Also, I've successfully moved PowerOnePersonal and Handstory.

AcidImage v2.4r has the identical problem to WS. Runs fine, but when I exit, I get the same exact error message that I got with WS. Also tried changing preference settings to no avail.

Does all this stuff sync OK when they have their own conduits? Like SplashID and Money.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
SplashID moved fine and works fine for me.

Took 2 tries for this one and now it is in.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
Anything run from the card has an adverse effect on battery life, so that's one big reason. Another is that I'm really searching for apps to fill up all of this Flash!! So anything I can move to Flash means more room for files, pics, movies, voice recording, etc on my MS. But if you don't use it a lot and aren't having a problem filling up the Flash, then there's no reason not to leave it on the MS.

Cool. I'm not even half way filled:eek: Need more apps:)

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:58 PM

BugMe when in fine.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 05:59 PM

PhotoSkin and 4.0Student are in and OK

TheGonz

03-15-2003, 06:02 PM

I noticed that after the message 'compacting flash' everything went in much easier. DB5 hung on me the first time, as did contacts4 and ListPro. First i thought the size had something to do with it, but after compacting everything went the way it should. Now all three of them are in flash.

Don't know why JackFlash started compacting flash. Didn't try to reproduce it. Now I have 102k left and 7549 ram free. The following apps are in flash:

Contacts4 (726K)
DatBk5 (602K)
HandBase3 (474K)
IconMgr (88K)
ListPro (246K)
WonderSilk (31K)
Zlauncher (294K)

rldunn

03-15-2003, 06:02 PM

Just tested, and Docs2Go and US Money synced just fine.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 06:04 PM

Compacting Flash happens frequently with Jackflash, but it's not anything to worry about. It's similar to running a defrag on your PC. It's moving files around to make more efficient use of the memory "blocks". Thus, it does it more the fuller your Flash gets.

TheGonz

03-15-2003, 06:08 PM

Already expected that. That could also be the reason some apps get in flash better after compacting. There is more continuous spaces available.

mormegil

03-15-2003, 06:11 PM

Is there a demo beta version available?

Did anybody have NO problem with DateBK5 on the first attempt?

rldunn

03-15-2003, 06:11 PM

I had it hang with HandyShopper and SeahorseSoft Euchre, but a 2nd try on those worked fine. However, the first time I ran Euchre, I got a Fatal Exception. Tried running it a 2nd time, and it worked fine.

Had no problems with:

WA Clock
DiddleBug
BackupMan

outie

03-15-2003, 06:20 PM

My list of apps in Flash (tested):
Agendus
AIM
CFWL100Neti
CFWL100Nppi
HandDragon
HandDragon tool
IconManager
iSilo
M3 Iconset
MathLib
MegaCalc
HandDragon 16x16 chinese font
Screenshot5
SplashMoney
Win-hand Free
YiShow
YiShow Skin db

Apps that have problem upon exit (reset):
CrsMeDoc
SplashClock

Apps that don't wanna get into flash:
most/all of Sony system update files

sstrasser86

03-15-2003, 06:21 PM

i had problems on the first and second try on my friends who just got it

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by mormegil
Is there a demo beta version available?

Did anybody have NO problem with DateBK5 on the first attempt?

Yes, I copied and pasted the following from Brayder's web page.
This is there demo version:
We will be releasing a new JackFlash Light next week (Mar 17-21) so that you can test your device.

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 06:42 PM

I am so frustrated. I can't seem to get 3.0. I've been going back & forth with Brader and keep getting the same response "not able to find your address as a registered user of 3.0" I was a registered user of 2.6 so I click on the link that took me to handango and I paid the $9.95 upgrade and got the same 2.6 version download link. Do I have to go through all of the upgrades in succession? At this point I guess I'll wait till the demo version comes out next week and pay the full purchase price. Sheesh :(

Tixx

03-15-2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
Just tested, and Docs2Go and US Money synced just fine.

Cool:)

Tixx

03-15-2003, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by rcoffman
I am so frustrated. I can't seem to get 3.0. I've been going back & forth with Brader and keep getting the same response "not able to find your address as a registered user of 3.0" I was a registered user of 2.6 so I click on the link that took me to handango and I paid the $9.95 upgrade and got the same 2.6 version download link. Do I have to go through all of the upgrades in succession? At this point I guess I'll wait till the demo version comes out next week and pay the full purchase price. Sheesh :(

Hmmm... I got mine and the situation sounds the same as I too had to buy the 2.6 upgrade.

stronggeek

03-15-2003, 06:51 PM

4479 on mine also!
Thanks for all the info on the apps.
You guys set the table for me.
Checking whats workin right now.
1/3 of my wish list is fullfilled. Just need cf support and pidirect like app! In that order too.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 06:51 PM

I also put BackUpMan in Flash and was debating doing large icon sets, but I think there would be a problem editing them if they were in flash. If this is wrong let me know, but I think that is what the situation would be.

Tixx

03-15-2003, 06:53 PM

Now I have to struggle to fill my last 1600kb still open:eek: Maybe I'll take some of rldunn's suggestions and move apps from the card to flash:)

Tixx

03-15-2003, 06:54 PM

ZL is now in and fine for me as well:)

stronggeek

03-15-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by rcoffman
I am so frustrated. I can't seem to get 3.0. I've been going back & forth with Brader and keep getting the same response "not able to find your address as a registered user of 3.0" I was a registered user of 2.6 so I click on the link that took me to handango and I paid the $9.95 upgrade and got the same 2.6 version download link. Do I have to go through all of the upgrades in succession? At this point I guess I'll wait till the demo version comes out next week and pay the full purchase price. Sheesh :(

Did you try going back to the brayder site and trying to download the update as a registered user? That worked for me.

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 06:58 PM

I must say that Bradyer yet again has risen to the task of creating a product that offers the PDA user options that no other product does, and in this case w/ OS5
can.
That said I have 4.6M available to me so here is my list of app's as of now, that I have moved into the flash area:

AGConnect - For AvantGo
BackupMan
Flash Enable
HBX
HBX Hack
Invisible
LCARS-A1 - WonderSilk skins that work with K
LCARS- 2 - WonderSilk skins that work with K
Libmal - Also for AvantGo
McPhling
Okey
PowerRun
QuickSpell
snapCalc (hack)
TealMaster
TextPlus
WA Clock
ZLib

Again thanks Brayder for all the hard work.

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Tixx

Hmmm... I got mine and the situation sounds the same as I too had to buy the 2.6 upgrade.

So after upgrading did you go back to Brayder and re-request the 3.0 upgrade. Thats what I did and it sends me back to Handango asking for another $9.95

AnthonyM

03-15-2003, 07:03 PM

I had about 3.4 Mb's available on my NZ90 (US version). I did notice that trying to move DateBk5 first would result in JackFlash freezing. Moving a few other things first and then going back to DateBk5 worked. I have moved.....

SuperNames

Splashid

Avantgo

Ultrasoft Money

PowerOne Personal

PowerRUN

DateBk5

TealLock

Wassup

into flash. Only problem was with DateBk5 and that was only when I tried to move it into flash first.

As a side note, NZ90 users will not be able to utilize JackSafe. You must install the new JackEnable onto your memory stick.

- Anthony

berliner

03-15-2003, 07:08 PM

Has anyone tried adding Mapopolis maps to flash? Also, has anyone been able to purchase the beta version? I haven't used Jackflash before and decided to purchase it today, but I can't download the beta version, only version 2.6. And Brayder has no record of me being a registered user so I cannot updgrade. Any ideas?

rhart00

03-15-2003, 07:10 PM

man I am jealous. I want this app. I don't think I can wait until next week. 4479k....drool

*YellowRose*

03-15-2003, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by berliner
Has anyone tried adding Mapopolis maps to flash? Also, has anyone been able to purchase the beta version? I haven't used Jackflash before and decided to purchase it today, but I can't download the beta version, only version 2.6. And Brayder has no record of me being a registered user so I cannot updgrade. Any ideas? It states on their website that it takes about 24 hours for the info to be added to their database after purchase.  After that, you should be fine to 'upgrade'.

Good luck.

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by AnthonyM
I had about 3.4 Mb's available on my NZ90 (US version). I did notice that trying to move DateBk5 first would result in JackFlash freezing. Moving a few other things first and then going back to DateBk5 worked. I have moved.....

SuperNames

Splashid

Avantgo

Ultrasoft Money

PowerOne Personal

PowerRUN

DateBk5

TealLock

Wassup

into flash. Only problem was with DateBk5 and that was only when I tried to move it into flash first.

As a side note, NZ90 users will not be able to utilize JackSafe. You must install the new JackEnable onto your memory stick.

- Anthony

I to added AvantGo, but noticed that when I exited AvantGo a error message appeared forcing me to soft reset.
I moved AvantGo back to Ram or back onto the MS and all was well.
Can you check yours to see if this happens to you also?
Also you said JackEnable, don't you mean FlashEnable?
Thanks

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by stronggeek

Did you try back to the brayder site and trying to download the update as a registered user? That worked for me.

Yes I did after paying 9.95 for an upgrade to a version I already have, I tried again and got the same notice. It must be me, I will try on Monday.

rcoffman

03-15-2003, 07:32 PM

I was so excited, now I'm bummed. I hate waiting. Meanwhile I can watch the thread for all the potential problems and challenges. Its still GREAT!

rldunn

03-15-2003, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by rcoffman
I am so frustrated. I can't seem to get 3.0. I've been going back & forth with Brader and keep getting the same response "not able to find your address as a registered user of 3.0" I was a registered user of 2.6 so I click on the link that took me to handango and I paid the $9.95 upgrade and got the same 2.6 version download link. Do I have to go through all of the upgrades in succession? At this point I guess I'll wait till the demo version comes out next week and pay the full purchase price. Sheesh :( Just send them an email on Monday; Brayder is a top-notch company, so if you really purchased the earlier version, I'm sure they'll take care of you. Meanwhile, check your old emails and think about whether you would have used a different email when you got the last version.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by Tixx
Now I have to struggle to fill my last 1600kb still open:eek: Maybe I'll take some of rldunn's suggestions and move apps from the card to flash:) I only have 5K left :)

ClieMD

03-15-2003, 07:54 PM

So far no trouble transfering programs to Flash include Datebk5c preview #7

rldunn

03-15-2003, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by Tixx
ZL is now in and fine for me as well:) I never liked putting launchers in Flash, though my previous experience is only with LIII and LX. After a hard reset, you'll still have to use the default launcher to launch something to get either Jackflash or FlashEnable back in RAM. Then, you'll launch ZL, but it won't have a skin that it needs to actually run, so you'll still be stuck with the default launcher. You restore your backup, and sometimes this process requires Jackflash to be run again, and that sometimes causes conflicts because the restore sets your system to a point when the launcher was available in Flash, so it's kinda breaking the relationship between the launcher databases and the actual launcher app. It's not a huge deal, but I think the restore just goes a lot smoother with the launcher in RAM. YMMV.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by Tixx
I also put BackUpMan in Flash and was debating doing large icon sets, but I think there would be a problem editing them if they were in flash. If this is wrong let me know, but I think that is what the situation would be. No, that's exactly right. You don't want anything in Flash that will be edited. I have no databases in Flash, except for something like MathLib, which is Read-Only.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by n0m0n
Also you said JackEnable, don't you mean FlashEnable?
Thanks Yes, that must be what he meant. My setup is to have Jackflash in RAM and a copy of FlashEnable in a directory on my MS. I tested a hard reset with the new JF setup, and after the hard reset, I ran Clie Files to COPY FlashEnable back to RAM, which made all of my Flash files show up, then I ran BackupMan to do a restore. Worked flawlessly.

If you don't want to keep Jackflash in RAM, you could use the following setup:

Put Jackflash in the Launcher folder and FlashEnable in RAM. After a hard reset, just run Jackflash once from the Card category of the default launcher, then you can run your backup app (if it was stored in Flash).

rldunn

03-15-2003, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by rhart00
man I am jealous. I want this app. I don't think I can wait until next week. 4479k....drool 4479K is awesome!!! I've never had this much on devices even after I had used Jacksprat!! It's almost too much!! :)

*YellowRose*

03-15-2003, 08:13 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
It's almost too much!! :) When it comes to RAM on a PDA....there is NO SUCH THING!   lol!

stronggeek

03-15-2003, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by rcoffman

Yes I did after paying 9.95 for an upgrade to a version I already have, I tried again and got the same notice. It must be me, I will try on Monday.

rcoffman,

Sorry that didn't work. I actually thought I'd be waiting til monday anyway. I feel fortunate to have it now though it would have worth the wait.

AnthonyM

03-15-2003, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by n0m0n

I to added AvantGo, but noticed that when I exited AvantGo a error message appeared forcing me to soft reset.
I moved AvantGo back to Ram or back onto the MS and all was well.
Can you check yours to see if this happens to you also?
Also you said JackEnable, don't you mean FlashEnable?
Thanks

Yes, I meant FlashEnable. In all of the excitement of finally having a version of JackFlash that worked on OS5, I sort of lost my head and typed in the wrong name.

I have not had an issue with Avantgo in ROM yet. I am using beta version 5.2.28 and I am storing the pages that get updated on my memory stick. So far I have not had an error that requires a reset when exiting from Avantgo when it is up in flash. Perhaps this happens when you have a certain combonation of 3rd party apps on your Clie. Just a guess but it seems strange that it would work for me and not for you.

- Anthony

outie

03-15-2003, 09:09 PM

the ROM chips are obviously not cheap and I don't see why Sony doesn't make the most out of it(or strip it). 4mb in ROM is ALOT of space in a PDA.

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by outie
the ROM chips are obviously not cheap and I don't see why Sony doesn't make the most out of it(or strip it). 4mb in ROM is ALOT of space in a PDA.

Well actually you need to leave a certain amount of room free in the ROM.
I noticed when I would completely fill the ROM, I would crash a lot.
I removed a few apps to give me about 200k, and all was well.

Also I have been told that Sony, Palm, etc. leave room for future OS flash upgrades, or fixes.
I know this to be true with Palm's units in the past .
I am new to Sony though...

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by AnthonyM

Yes, I meant FlashEnable. In all of the excitement of finally having a version of JackFlash that worked on OS5, I sort of lost my head and typed in the wrong name.

I have not had an issue with Avantgo in ROM yet. I am using beta version 5.2.28 and I am storing the pages that get updated on my memory stick. So far I have not had an error that requires a reset when exiting from Avantgo when it is up in flash. Perhaps this happens when you have a certain combonation of 3rd party apps on your Clie. Just a guess but it seems strange that it would work for me and not for you.

- Anthony

I dont understand.
I also have AvantGo set to download to the MS.
Did you move AGConnect, or libmal into the flash?
What form AvantGo do you have where?
I now have AvantGo the new beta in the MS's launch folder but its so slow.
Thanks for any additional info that you can share.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by n0m0n
Well actually you need to leave a certain amount of room free in the ROM.
I noticed when I would completely fill the ROM, I would crash a lot.
I removed a few apps to give me about 200k, and all was well.With my old devices, I had ROM stuffed so that less than 10K was available, and I didn't have any more crashes. I don't think the amount matters as long as you have stable apps in it. With this new version, I have 5K left in my NX, and haven't had any resets since the install. That's only a few hours and maybe things will change later, but so far, so good.

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 09:54 PM

When I store AvantGo in the ROM I get the following message upon leaving AvantGo:

Memory Mgr.c, Line:1583, Not A Handle

Any idea's on this?
Is there a fix or doesnt AvantGo work when moved into the ROM?
Thanks

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
With my old devices, I had ROM stuffed so that less than 10K was available, and I didn't have any more crashes. I don't think the amount matters as long as you have stable apps in it. With this new version, I have 5K left in my NX, and haven't had any resets since the install. That's only a few hours and maybe things will change later, but so far, so good.

This was the informatin that I was given from Brayder's tech support as to a problem with crashing.
Since I left a bit of memory free I never had those problems since..
Now I was using a m505, and m515 unit when last I played with JackFlash

rldunn

03-15-2003, 10:12 PM

Well, I guess they would know best!! I've also heard that in other spots, but I know from my experience and others that I know who have stuffed their ROM as full as possible that it's not necessarily the case.

Submicron

03-15-2003, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by n0m0n
When I store AvantGo in the ROM I get the following message upon leaving AvantGo:

Memory Mgr.c, Line:1583, Not A Handle

Any idea's on this?
Is there a fix or doesnt AvantGo work when moved into the ROM?
Thanks I don't know if it does or not. However, there is an option to move the Avantgo program and all downloads to the memory stick and run it from there. The program that supposedly does this is called Avantage and is available on the Handago website. I'm not familiar with the new version of the Avantgo software and it may already do this. But if not, this may be another option though, if moving the program into ROM turns out to be a problem. :)

Unregistered

03-15-2003, 10:43 PM

In response to teh question regarding mapopolis maps. I have tries for the last hour to get it to move into the flash with no luck. So for now it looks like they're still gonna take up room on your unit.

bobchernow

03-15-2003, 10:45 PM

I am now so frustrated with Brayder. I to wnet thru the gyrations on requesting the update and code, only to be told I needed to purchase the update. I have no problem with this. I purchased it and their online store (Handango) gave be a brand spanking new copy od Jack Flash 2.6. That really does me a lot of good. I have also sent several emails to Brayder support with no response.

I AM FRUSTRATED!:mad:

n2ifp

03-15-2003, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by Submicron
I don't know if it does or not. However, there is an option to move the Avantgo program and all downloads to the memory stick and run it from there. The program that supposedly does this is called Avantage and is available on the Handago website. I'm not familiar with the new version of the Avantgo software and it may already do this. But if not, this may be another option though, if moving the program into ROM turns out to be a problem. :)

That was before OS5 you had to use Avantage. Now you can move the whole OS5 beta to the memory stick, except for AG Connect and libmail.

n2ifp

03-15-2003, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by bobchernow
I am now so frustrated with Brayder. I to wnet thru the gyrations on requesting the update and code, only to be told I needed to purchase the update. I have no problem with this. I purchased it and their online store (Handango) gave be a brand spanking new copy od Jack Flash 2.6. That really does me a lot of good. I have also sent several emails to Brayder support with no response.

I AM FRUSTRATED!:mad:

I think you'll have to wait unitl Monday, as much as you don't want to. I am Mr. Impatient when it comes to some things too. I am still trying to figured this whole thread out and where to get the blessed file too. Is this a situation where you have to purchase an older version before acquiring the upgrade?

I guess I can live for another day or so, I still have 5.6 mb of RAM left.

rldunn

03-15-2003, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by n0m0n
When I store AvantGo in the ROM I get the following message upon leaving AvantGo:

Memory Mgr.c, Line:1583, Not A Handle

Any idea's on this?
Is there a fix or doesnt AvantGo work when moved into the ROM?
Thanks That's the error I get with Wordsmith and AcidImage, and I couldn't find any way around it. Are you guys using 2 different versions of AG? Maybe you should post your version number.

n0m0n

03-15-2003, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
That's the error I get with Wordsmith and AcidImage, and I couldn't find any way around it. Are you guys using 2 different versions of AG? Maybe you should post your version number.

Ok I am using AGConnect Version 5.2 Build 46

AnthonyM

03-15-2003, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by n0m0n

I dont understand.
I also have AvantGo set to download to the MS.
Did you move AGConnect, or libmal into the flash?
What form AvantGo do you have where?
I now have AvantGo the new beta in the MS's launch folder but its so slow.
Thanks for any additional info that you can share.

Both AGConnect and Libmal are in RAM. The pages that get updated are on memory stick. I am not too sure if I am using the latest beta that is available. I am using beta version 5.2.28. I have only launched and exited Avantgo two times since moving just the Avantgo.prc file into flash but both times things worked OK. If you have the same version of Avantgo and have it setup the same, then I am at a loss as to why you have this problem and I do not. I can understand why you would want to get this working on your end though. That file is 837K and as such, is a very large file to keep in RAM if you don't have too. Is there anything else in RAM that you can swap around for the time being. Moving several applications who's sum of their size comes close to Avantgo into ROM and Avantgo back into RAM would be a trade off for the time being.

- Anthony

riversen

03-16-2003, 12:07 AM

So, has anyone used it on the T665? I was thinking of... I heard the Beta lets you save what you delete and put it back. Anyone tried it for T665 and had success?

n2ifp

03-16-2003, 12:13 AM

Originally posted by AnthonyM

Both AGConnect and Libmal are in RAM. The pages that get updated are on memory stick. I am not too sure if I am using the latest beta that is available. I am using beta version 5.2.28. I have only launched and exited Avantgo two times since moving just the Avantgo.prc file into flash but both times things worked OK. If you have the same version of Avantgo and have it setup the same, then I am at a loss as to why you have this problem and I do not. I can understand why you would want to get this working on your end though. That file is 837K and as such, is a very large file to keep in RAM if you don't have too. Is there anything else in RAM that you can swap around for the time being. Moving several applications who's sum of their size comes close to Avantgo into ROM and Avantgo back into RAM would be a trade off for the time being.

- Anthony

AvantGo's 873k file will run fine from the MS, just takes a little longer to load.

rxmedicine

03-16-2003, 01:23 AM

i've been using Avantage with my avantgo setup...i didn't realize until this thread that i could have put the big app on my memory stick...i was just curious as to...if it is faster just loading it off the memory stick without avantage...or is it faster using avantage...or does it not matter...i would think either way it's loading off the MS so it wouldn't matter...

rxmedicine

03-16-2003, 01:27 AM

I am very appreciative of the direction and intent of this thread...I was just wondering if we can somehow make another thread...with just a listing of which programs so far work and don't work for jackflash...and keep it simple...b/c it gets really hard to sift through the 10 plus pages to find out what works and doesn't....maybe we can post a list somewhere...what do you guys think

a thread to only list what works and doesn't...and this thread can be where we discuss problems....

outie

03-16-2003, 02:07 AM

...and this thread can be where we discuss problems....

"this thread" should be locked :>

rxmedicine

03-16-2003, 02:35 AM

just curious if anyone has gotten wordsmith to completely work...when i put it in flash...and run the program...and don't actually open any documents and then exit...it works fine....but when i open up wordsmith and then open one of my documents and then close wordsmith....it has an error message and resets....

n0m0n

03-16-2003, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by rxmedicine
i've been using Avantage with my avantgo setup...i didn't realize until this thread that i could have put the big app on my memory stick...i was just curious as to...if it is faster just loading it off the memory stick without avantage...or is it faster using avantage...or does it not matter...i would think either way it's loading off the MS so it wouldn't matter...

Well that's the problem.
I have placed AvantGo on the MS in the Launch folder, and it works fine...
BUT, only thing is that its so SLOW!!!
Placing it in the RAM / ROM its much, much FASTER...
Tried Avantage and AvantGo did not sync properly for me at least.
I kept on getting that there was a problem with the version of AvantGo but all was
well when I did not have Avantage active.
Anyway still had the same issue.
Avantage moves AvantGo over onto the MS and the transfer from the MS to RAM
is slow.
Can't seem to be able to figure out why I can't move AvantGo up into the ROM
without getting this message when I exit AvantGo:

Memory Mgr.c, Line: 1583, Not a Handle

Other then that everything else works correctly...
I can sync and download the web pages, open and view after my sync's, just have
this problem on exiting.
Any idea's???
Thanks

existenz

03-16-2003, 06:49 AM

I assume from all of this thread that its a thumbs up for JackFlash.

Seems like there isn't too much of a problem transfering software to the Flash area.

But has anyone tried deleting any of the core apps like Date Book or Address Book?

I presume it can do this and it would seem to make sense for the space saving if you also have Agendus installed or similar apps.

Anyone know if the 4MB free flash area is before removing the core apps or before?

fireman54

03-16-2003, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by existenz

But has anyone tried deleting any of the core apps like Date Book or Address Book?

I presume it can do this and it would seem to make sense for the space saving if you also have Agendus installed or similar apps.

Anyone know if the 4MB free flash area is before removing the core apps or before?

You are confusing JackFlash and JackSprat.

JackFlash makes the leftover ROM usable for storage.

JackSprat actually removes the core apps from ROM.

rldunn

03-16-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by rxmedicine
just curious if anyone has gotten wordsmith to completely work...when i put it in flash...and run the program...and don't actually open any documents and then exit...it works fine....but when i open up wordsmith and then open one of my documents and then close wordsmith....it has an error message and resets.... That's exactly what happens for me too. Forgot to mention earlier that it works fine if you don't open anything.

rldunn

03-16-2003, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by existenz
I assume from all of this thread that its a thumbs up for JackFlash.

Seems like there isn't too much of a problem transfering software to the Flash area.

But has anyone tried deleting any of the core apps like Date Book or Address Book?

I presume it can do this and it would seem to make sense for the space saving if you also have Agendus installed or similar apps.

Anyone know if the 4MB free flash area is before removing the core apps or before? Yes, I would say a big thumbs up for Jackflash. The problems we've found have been very minor and very easy to deal with.

As firemen indicates, you're confused about the functionality here. Jackflash only moves things back and forth to Flash. Jacksprat deletes apps out of flash, allowing more space for Jackflash to play with. However, Jacksprat is not available for OS5 devices current. And actually with 4479K available, I'm not sure many would need Jacksprat. It's hard enough to fill up that much!!

rldunn

03-16-2003, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by rxmedicine
I am very appreciative of the direction and intent of this thread...I was just wondering if we can somehow make another thread...with just a listing of which programs so far work and don't work for jackflash...and keep it simple...b/c it gets really hard to sift through the 10 plus pages to find out what works and doesn't....maybe we can post a list somewhere...what do you guys think

a thread to only list what works and doesn't...and this thread can be where we discuss problems.... Done.

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7379

*YellowRose*

03-16-2003, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by rldunn
Done.

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7379 Goodness!  You are on the ball this morning, aren't you?  ;)

THANKS!

palmsolo

03-16-2003, 09:47 AM

rldunn,

I appreciate all the legwork you have done with Jackflash and your extensive list. I have one burning question left. Did you try putting NetFront into the Flash RAM? Thanks.

BClie2k

03-16-2003, 10:22 AM

How the registration of JackFlash works? I went to Handango today at 4am and bought JackFlash. Oviously I didn't get the new version in the download area. Now, what should I do to get my reg code? Should go to their website and request a reg code or they are going to contact me? How long will this take? I'm dying here, I need this now.

Thanks,

Al

Tolwyn

03-16-2003, 10:32 AM

Has anyone tried to put the Bluetooth files and WiFi drivers into Flash ram?

fireman54

03-16-2003, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by BClie2k
How the registration of JackFlash works? I went to Handango today at 4am and bought JackFlash. Oviously I didn't get the new version in the download area.
Al

 How DID you get the new version? I did so yesterday and still unable to get the new version.

BClie2k

03-16-2003, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by fireman54

 How DID you get the new version? I did so yesterday and still unable to get the new version.

That's whay I'm trying to find out. I don't know how this registration thing works. How is that many people at ClieSource got it? I thought they say they were going to get it on Monday.

Al

t0ol

03-16-2003, 10:50 AM

gr8 !!!
almost 5 megs flash mem available!!!!
cool..

rldunn

03-16-2003, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by palmsolo
rldunn,

I appreciate all the legwork you have done with Jackflash and your extensive list. I have one burning question left. Did you try putting NetFront into the Flash RAM? Thanks. I personally haven't because I don't have NetFront installed, but someone else earlier in this thread said they had it moved successfully.

BTW, it's Flash ROM, which is different from RAM. Just wanted to point that out, because it gets confusing when discussing where all this stuff goes :)

rldunn

03-16-2003, 11:09 AM

As for the registration, it's my guess that these are being manually handled and they came in yesterday and handled a large batch. I had requested the upgrade on Friday night, but then Saturday morning, I thought that maybe I didn't qualify for the free upgrade, so I used the Brayder site to request buying an upgrade. I received responses to both at the same exact time yesterday afternoon, which is why I think it was done manually.

I would just be patient; they're probably getting a TON of requests for this.

Tixx

03-16-2003, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by rcoffman

So after upgrading did you go back to Brayder and re-request the 3.0 upgrade. Thats what I did and it sends me back to Handango asking for another $9.95

This may have been answered already, but I upgraded to 2.6 a while back and this could just be a delay in the system.

Tixx

03-16-2003, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
I only have 5K left :)

Filled it up good I see:)

Tixx

03-16-2003, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
I never liked putting launchers in Flash, though my previous experience is only with LIII and LX. After a hard reset, you'll still have to use the default launcher to launch something to get either Jackflash or FlashEnable back in RAM. Then, you'll launch ZL, but it won't have a skin that it needs to actually run, so you'll still be stuck with the default launcher. You restore your backup, and sometimes this process requires Jackflash to be run again, and that sometimes causes conflicts because the restore sets your system to a point when the launcher was available in Flash, so it's kinda breaking the relationship between the launcher databases and the actual launcher app. It's not a huge deal, but I think the restore just goes a lot smoother with the launcher in RAM. YMMV.

Maybe I'll take it out. I do see that it does cause that break and might not be usable anyways, so I guess your right.

Tixx

03-16-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
Yes, that must be what he meant. My setup is to have Jackflash in RAM and a copy of FlashEnable in a directory on my MS. I tested a hard reset with the new JF setup, and after the hard reset, I ran Clie Files to COPY FlashEnable back to RAM, which made all of my Flash files show up, then I ran BackupMan to do a restore. Worked flawlessly.

If you don't want to keep Jackflash in RAM, you could use the following setup:

Put Jackflash in the Launcher folder and FlashEnable in RAM. After a hard reset, just run Jackflash once from the Card category of the default launcher, then you can run your backup app (if it was stored in Flash).

The program JackFlash said it wasn't for my device when I ran it on my NX and told me to use the Enable program. Jack Flash works on yours?

rldunn

03-16-2003, 12:51 PM

Tixx, I believe you're thinking about Jacksafe, which did give me that message. FlashEnable isn't as nice as Jacksafe (which allows ROM apps to be available immediately after a hard reset without having to run something first), but it does work on the NX.

ClieMarty

03-16-2003, 01:14 PM

does anybody know when jacksprat for os5 will be available? i use an european device and shall get rid of the extra languages and stuff before i may use jackflash; does anybody know how much rom is available on european devices without removing something from rom?

outie

03-16-2003, 01:28 PM

I think jackflash works nicely on our NX. I have heard ppl with TT having loxa troubles with jackflash + Jacksafe. After they installed jacksafe their device couldn't get to prefs at all. They did all kinds of soft/hard resettings.

mdharris

03-16-2003, 01:29 PM

Quick question when you move an app over to flash does it move all the associated files with it?

Also on OS5 I assume we are not using JackSafe but rather FlashEnabled. Can this app be moved to memory stick and left there?

Tixx

03-16-2003, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
Tixx, I believe you're thinking about Jacksafe, which did give me that message. FlashEnable isn't as nice as Jacksafe (which allows ROM apps to be available immediately after a hard reset without having to run something first), but it does work on the NX.

Yea, that is it. All the JackThis and JackThat I know the program, but write the wrong one in my responses;)

Tixx

03-16-2003, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
Tixx, I believe you're thinking about Jacksafe, which did give me that message. FlashEnable isn't as nice as Jacksafe (which allows ROM apps to be available immediately after a hard reset without having to run something first), but it does work on the NX.

When I run JackSafe on my NX I get this message:
"JackSafe is not supported on this device.
Please use FlashEnable instead. It can be found in the JackFlash distribution."

How do you put it on yours?

Tixx

03-16-2003, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by mdharris
Quick question when you move an app over to flash does it move all the associated files with it?

Also on OS5 I assume we are not using JackSafe but rather FlashEnabled. Can this app be moved to memory stick and left there?

1) No.

2) Yes. "FlashEnable should be copied to an expansion card. This copy can then be used after a hard reset or battery failure to restore the contents of Flash. Just run FlashEnable once to re-enable the Flash after a Hard Reset."

rldunn

03-16-2003, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by Tixx

When I run JackSafe on my NX I get this message:
"JackSafe is not supported on this device.
Please use FlashEnable instead. It can be found in the JackFlash distribution."

How do you put it on yours? You're confused again :) Here's my setup:

Jackflash in RAM.
FlashEnable in a directory on my MS (left there in case I need to copy it back to RAM after a hard reset.
Jacksafe not installed (will not install on the NX).

sstrasser86

03-16-2003, 01:44 PM

wow this thread has taken up 12 pages!

eyesee

03-16-2003, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
You're confused again :) Here's my setup:

Jackflash in RAM.
FlashEnable in a directory on my MS (left there in case I need to copy it back to RAM after a hard reset.
Jacksafe not installed (will not install on the NX).

Now I'm confused!!!

I've been eagerly reading this thread since it began, but now I am a little mixed up... what exactly is FlashEnable for then?  From what I gather, it allows the programs you move to flash to be "seen," is that right?  So, if you move FlashEnable to ROM with JackFlash, would it still run after a hard reset, or is keeping a copy on the MS a must?

MikeLang

03-16-2003, 02:10 PM

Can't you just keep a copy of JackFlash on the MS and after a hard reset, copy JF back to ram and run it to reenable all the apps in flash?

If yes, why do you need JackEnable?
Thanks.
-Mike-

rldunn

03-16-2003, 02:11 PM

OK, let me tackle this from the start.

There are two files you need for the NX (and NZ, I presume). Jackflash and FlashEnable. Do not install Jacksafe; it doesn't work anyway.

Jackflash is the main file which allows you to move apps to and from Flash. Jackflash can be run from RAM or from the MS; do not put this into Flash.

FlashEnable has a few purposes:

a) If Jackflash is in RAM, the only purpose FlashEnable has is to allow apps to be seen after a hard reset (since Jackflash wouldn't be in RAM at that point). Alternatively, you could have a 2nd copy of Jackflash stored on the MS and run that version once after a hard reset, in which case you wouldn't need FlashEnable at all. However, FlashEnable is much smaller, so if you're going to store an "extra" copy on the MS just for this reason, FlashEnable is probably the better choice.

b) If Jackflash in stored on the MS only, then you need FlashEnable in RAM so that Flash files are available after a SOFT reset. The reason is that the system extensions need to be updated after a soft reset so that the system knows those apps in Flash exist. Normally, Jackflash does this, but if it's stored on the MS, it can't. This is where FlashEnable comes in. Alternatively, FlashEnable could be stored in Flash and perform the same function.

So, if Jackflash is left in RAM, there is absolutely no benefit to having FlashEnable stored in Flash.

MikeLang

03-16-2003, 02:18 PM

Thanks for the explanation, it's pretty clear now except...

Originally posted by rldunn
Alternatively, FlashEnable could be stored in Flash and perform the same function.

So, if Jackflash is left in RAM, there is absolutely no benefit to having FlashEnable stored in Flash.

if JackEnable is stored in flash and with no JackFlash in ram, how do you run JackEnable after a reset as it's not visible until JE can be run (back to chicken and egg)?

-Mike-

rldunn

03-16-2003, 02:21 PM

If FlashEnable is in Flash or RAM, it does it's trick without being run after a SOFT reset. So, if you have FlashEnable in Flash and Jackflash on the MS, all of your Flash files will be immediately available after a soft reset without you needing to do anything.

mdharris

03-16-2003, 02:27 PM

rldunn
So ideally you would want JackFlash in RAM and FlashEnable in MS. Most common install I presume.

Sonic

03-16-2003, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by ClieMarty
does anybody know when jacksprat for os5 will be available? i use an european device and shall get rid of the extra languages and stuff before i may use jackflash; does anybody know how much rom is available on european devices without removing something from rom?

The European NZ only leaves 1200K left after running JackFlash. I put this down to the various languages stored on the ROM. Hopefully if Brayner succeed with a OS5 version of JackSprat that will increase the space left by removing the unwanted languages.

eyesee

03-16-2003, 02:46 PM

Another presumption/question...

So, what you're saying is that FlashEnable, stored in flash ROM, is definitely incapacitated by a hard reset?  Has this been tested?  Not that it's a big deal, I'm sure it will take up little space on a memory stick... I just want to avoid all potential problems when I get going :)

Shrink

03-16-2003, 03:27 PM

Altho I haven't gotten a beta copy yet, I was hoping someone could tell me what FlashEnable is. Does it come with JackFlash?
Wha?
Thanks
alan:confused:

mdharris

03-16-2003, 03:32 PM

FlahEnable is kinda like the backup program for JaclFlash. So if you have a hard reset and thus removing all apps in RAM you will FlashEnable on MS which can backup your Flashed files. I think thats correct????

Shrink

03-16-2003, 03:37 PM

Where does one find FlashEnable?
alan

mdharris

03-16-2003, 03:53 PM

It comes with JackFlash

BClie2k

03-16-2003, 05:21 PM

I think FlashEnable tells the system that there are new applications in ROM and that they should be shown in the Launcher. At the same time FlashEnable is where you type your reg code. In case an unreg user wants to try it, it wont work. As a result the worst setting would be to place FlashEnable in ROM. Because after a hard reset you won't see your new ROM applications including FlashEnable. The best setting would be FlashEnable in the MS and JackFlash anywhere as long as it is backed up in the MS.

What do you guys think?

Al

mdharris

03-16-2003, 05:39 PM

Curious has anyone had a problem with their jog dial after installing JackFlash? I cannot use the push button on the jog dial.

rxmedicine

03-16-2003, 06:35 PM

Thanks RLDunn,

for the other thread....2 pages is a lot easier to sift through then 13....this thread has a life of its own...kudos to everyone

Tixx

03-16-2003, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
You're confused again :) Here's my setup:

Jackflash in RAM.
FlashEnable in a directory on my MS (left there in case I need to copy it back to RAM after a hard reset.
Jacksafe not installed (will not install on the NX).

Alright. So the issue I'm having is not an issue. Nobody can use JackSafe on the NX. Got it. Too much smoking crack or maybe studying for finals:rolleyes: :) Thanks

Tixx

03-16-2003, 07:41 PM

rldunn

03-16-2003, 07:47 PM

Originally posted by BClie2k
I think FlashEnable tells the system that there are new applications in ROM and that they should be shown in the Launcher. At the same time FlashEnable is where you type your reg code. In case an unreg user wants to try it, it wont work. As a result the worst setting would be to place FlashEnable in ROM. Because after a hard reset you won't see your new ROM applications including FlashEnable. The best setting would be FlashEnable in the MS and JackFlash anywhere as long as it is backed up in the MS.

What do you guys think?

Al Almost but not quite. I think you'll want either Jackflash or FlashEnable in RAM; otherwise, you'll have to find one of them on the MS and run it once after a SOFT reset, which is a hassle. If one of them is in RAM, you don't have to do anything after a soft reset.Another presumption/question...

So, what you're saying is that FlashEnable, stored in flash ROM, is definitely incapacitated by a hard reset? Has this been tested? Not that it's a big deal, I'm sure it will take up little space on a memory stick... I just want to avoid all potential problems when I get goingBClie2K was right on this one. ALL apps in Flash are incapacitated after a hard reset until something tells the system that they're there. So, if FlashEnable is in Flash after a hard reset, it doesn't do any good for this purpose, and you'll have to run Jackflash once before you'll see any Flash apps.So ideally you would want JackFlash in RAM and FlashEnable in MS. Most common install I presume.I think having one in RAM and one on the MS is the ideal situation, and it doesn't matter which one is where. Having Jackflash on the MS will save something like 70K in RAM (since it's bigger than FlashEnable), but everytime you run it, you have to wait a split second for it to load. To me, that's a wash. I personally have Jackflash in RAM and FlashEnable in a folder called /Palm/oldfiles on my MS because I now have so much room in RAM available that I don't mind storing Jackflash there.

I don't see the point of putting FlashEnable in Flash. It only helps you out after a soft reset and it only saves you 24K in RAM, so to me, it's not worth it, but some may disagree.

rldunn

03-16-2003, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by mdharris
Curious has anyone had a problem with their jog dial after installing JackFlash? I cannot use the push button on the jog dial. No, and in fact, I can still use the SuperJogAssist of OKey to select push buttons. Did you happen to move OKey to Flash? If so, I would disable OKey, then use Jackflash to move it back to RAM, then reenable it and see if you still have this problem.

Submicron

03-16-2003, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by n2ifp

AvantGo's 873k file will run fine from the MS, just takes a little longer to load. I did a little web surfing tonight and found this link (http://www.avantgo.com/support/beta_news.html). This link also contains another link to get the latest Avantgo beta version. The latest version of Avantgo is 5.2, build 46.

I also found this quote on the link:

"MEMORY CARDS
Performance when saving content to a memory card has been improved, but is still slower than regular performance. At this time we still do not support storing the application istelf (as opposed to the web content data) on a memory card, but we may in the future."

So, per Avantgo, we should not be putting the Avantgo main app (873K file) on the memory stick. :(

dejanet

03-16-2003, 09:34 PM

Only 511k on a Japanese NX70

I got my copy of the JackFlash beta today. Neeedless to say I was pretty disapointed when I found that I only had 511K available on my NX70. Sure hope that the compatable version of JackSprat is soon to come.

tim

riversen

03-16-2003, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by fireman54

You are confusing JackFlash and JackSprat.

JackFlash makes the leftover ROM usable for storage.

JackSprat actually removes the core apps from ROM.

I agree. I have a question then for you... I own a T665 and want to use both of these. Will it remove the programs that use 1 Meg of my RAM before I ever install anything (when my PDA is brand new)? Also, does the restore function bring it back to what it was before I ever did anything? Will Sony be able to tell that I did anything? I don't want to void my warranty.

One last thing... I use DateBK5. If I delete Address, Memo, and Address, will DateBK5 still work or does it need these applications to run? Thanks for anyone's help!

rldunn

03-16-2003, 10:12 PM

riversen, I believe that the current version of Jacksprat doesn't support the T665, so your questions are really a moot point at this time.

riversen

03-16-2003, 10:19 PM

Are you talking about the 2.0 Beta version? I downloaded it and want to install it. Are you saying that it won't work?

http://www.brayder.com/products/jacksprat_beta.html

Here is the website for this "new" beta version. If it doesn't work, let me know, please.

rldunn

03-16-2003, 10:23 PM

If you click on your link, then click on the News link on the left, it lists the new devices added with each version, and I don't see the T665 (was it even out in September?), so I don't think it's supported. Some other T665 owners can verify this though.

riversen

03-16-2003, 10:38 PM

According to the additional doc's in the JackSprat Beta it says:

JackSprat 2.0b11 (September 27, 2002)
- Completed support for the Kyocera 6035
- Added support for the Treo 300
- Added support for the Treo 90
- Added support for the Clie SL-10, SJ-20 and SJ-30 (for devices with Flash)
- bugfix: international keyboard support on Treo devices now works
- Added ability to remove the Clie-RMC on the T650/T665/T675

JackSprat 2.0b11 (August 7, 2002)
- Added support for the Kyocera 6035

JackSprat 2.0b10 (August 7, 2002)
- Fixed no flash issue with T665C

JackSprat 2.0b9 (July 18, 2002)
- Added Support for Treo 180, 180g, 270

JackSprat 2.0b8 (July 12, 2002)
- fixed support for m500/m505 Palm OS 4.1

JackSprat 2.0b7 (July 8, 2002)
- add support for NR70, NR70V, T650, T665
- small fixes to backup format

Does this sound right?

contempt

03-16-2003, 10:39 PM

is there a minimum amount of memory you should leave in flash or can i completely max it out?

rldunn

03-16-2003, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by riversen
According to the additional doc's in the JackSprat Beta it says:

Does this sound right? Sounds official!! Sorry about that, I thought the T665 was newer than that.

rldunn

03-16-2003, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by contempt
is there a minimum amount of memory you should leave in flash or can i completely max it out? C'mon, haven't you read all 14 pages here :) We were talking about this earlier. Someone said Brayder had told him a device can get unstable when you don't leave some free. But in my experience in the past, I've jammed it full and haven't had any problems. I've been running with 6K free on my NX for the past day and haven't had any issues.

blithe21

03-16-2003, 11:49 PM

****. my nx jap version hang with fatal error. read the manual for jackflash and try to reset but cannot.. now power also cannot shut down!!! help needed here!!! wat am i suppose to do?

contempt

03-17-2003, 05:40 AM

Thanks rldunn. Nah, I'm too lazy to read 14 pages. I did read someone's post concerning the camera requiring free flash. But I too in the past have run my device with almost all of the flash maxed out. Guess we'll all find out.

Shrink

03-17-2003, 06:15 AM

Finally got my reg code but no info on where to download the beta?
anyone?
alan

n0m0n

03-17-2003, 07:00 AM

I have not seen if anyone tried to move the following into the Flash.
I believe these are from the Patch upgrade form a few weeks ago.
Any input?

2452MSLib
3452Slot
CFLib
GameConLoader
GameContollerLib
GraphicsLibrary
JogAssistLoader
PenPatchNX70
Sat. Forms RDK 5.1

I hesitate to move these since they were apart of the patch but always wondered why
they never generated a update that automatically flashed to ROM to begin with.
I remember when I had my Palm Pilot [V, Vx, m5xx series] they had OS updates for
the 3.1 to 3.5, to 4.0, and 4.1 and all flashed into the ROM.
Any ideas why Sony does not???
Thanks

contempt

03-17-2003, 07:19 AM

i had the same problem. you have to click on the request upgrade link as well as the reg code request form on the support page.

Shrink

03-17-2003, 07:26 AM

Ahhhh!
Thanks
alan

rldunn

03-17-2003, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by n0m0n
I have not seen if anyone tried to move the following into the Flash.
I believe these are from the Patch upgrade form a few weeks ago.
Any input?

2452MSLib
3452Slot
CFLib
GameConLoader
GameContollerLib
GraphicsLibrary
JogAssistLoader
PenPatchNX70
Sat. Forms RDK 5.1

I hesitate to move these since they were apart of the patch but always wondered why
they never generated a update that automatically flashed to ROM to begin with.
I remember when I had my Palm Pilot [V, Vx, m5xx series] they had OS updates for
the 3.1 to 3.5, to 4.0, and 4.1 and all flashed into the ROM.
Any ideas why Sony does not???
Thanks I would guess the reason is cost. I didn't even load this patch since my system was running fine without it, so I'm not sure about loading them in Flash. I personally wouldn't move them into Flash, since they probably weren't tested that way.