Got my T5 too.

[seascape]

My T5 arrived today. I had pre-ordered it from SoftMagic a day or two after the palmOne release. Came via Canada Post Expresspost. CP's shipment tracking website is very smooth. Didn't even know they had one.

It's in the 3-hour charge phase right now, so I haven't switched it on or tried a HotSync.

My plan is to keep the T2 going until I have patiently reinstalled my software and tested it, one app at a time, so it will be a few days at least before I can feel comfortable retiring the T2. I'll have to get new device numbers for some of my software too.

I like the look of the T5: slim, business-like, compact.

The form factor is great. Thinner than a T2, same length and width. Easier to hang on to though, owing to the curved sides and sharper corners.

I really miss the charging LED. All my handhelds have had them.

I miss a cradle even more.

The HotSync button on the USB connector is a nice touch.

My first reaction when I plugged in the Multi-Connector was, "Oh-oh, this thing is going to break off someday, like the dongles on my laptops". We'll see. Nice that the power cord can be separated from the connector/USB cord.

I can't believe they buried the reset pin in the stylus. I thought that two-step was gone forever.

I really like the rectangular 5-way nav pad. The circular pad on the T2 was too difficult to use, because I kept missing precise left/right, up/down.

The flip cover will do, until my Vaja case arrives.

More to come.

[jjesusfreak01]

Whats new? Everyones got a T5!! Just kidding, hope you get it set up okay and enjoy it thoroughly.

[seascape]

Whats new? Everyones got a T5!! I know this isn't spanking new news, but given the controversy I thought I'd post another "good look", from someone else who knows Palms. As usual, I'll archive my experience here anyway:
http://www.jimthompson.net/palmpda/ see "My Tungsten T5".

[jjesusfreak01]

Another doctor on the forum. What is it with doctors and PDAs? I dont know, i'm not a doctor, yet. Maybe in ten years, after high school, after college, after med school, and when i'm into my internship, I might understand why doctors like pdas. But for now I will have to be content with wondering. By the way seascape, on your website, under the my T5 section, you say that there are no palm pdas with onboard wifi. You probably just forgot about the TH-55, and one of its lesser cousins, the name of which I cannot remember.

[TMann]

Congratulations on your new acquisition! I was in my local CompUSA today, and I got a chance to play with a T5 for a bit. It's a lot nicer than I thought it would be. The screen, case and stylus give it a very professional feel, (despite the fact that the case is plastic.)

Good luck and let us know how things go.

TMann :D

[seascape]

Another doctor on the forum. What is it with doctors and PDAs?Doctors solve patients' problems using information. PDA's give doctors unprecedented access to information at the bedside.

[seascape]

Well the first HotSync went OK, but I had to apply the ROM update patch to my unit, based on its ROM date. The whole initial install and setup process took over an hour, but I had expected that, given the increasing complexity of new Palm models.

The big surprise now is that after installing the new Palm desktop software and setting up the T5 under its own unique username for testing, the first HotSync with the T2 resulted in every Outlook calendar entry being duplicated (total over 8,000). I have never experienced that before when I added an additional Palm handheld to my desktop. No idea yet exactly what happened. I started a duplicate remover utility last night that is still running this morning. I cannot proceed now until I get Outlook fixed on the desktop and T2, and then HotSync to the T5 by overwriting Outlook on the T5. Hopefully that will stabilize Outlook on the desktop and both handhelds.

Why the duplicates? I once had KeySuite on my system, but I stopped using it after a short trial, and turned off the conduits. For some reason, after setting up the T5, the T5 conduits list in HotSync included all the KeySuite conduits, and they were set to "Synchronize the Files". I wonder if that's what happened? But I can't see why the T5's HotSync software would have activated those KeySuite conduits for the T5, and the conduits by the way for WordSmith, Bonsai, iSilo, Screenshot and another app, all of which are installed on the T2, but not yet the T5. I have now set all those conduits to "Do Nothing" for the T5.

Soft resets on the T5 are longer than the T2, but not a hardship, given that I know it is working on more internal memory than the T2 has.

Compared to my T2, my T5's screen has a faint bluish tint and is harder to read on an angle. While the T2's screen is nicer, the T5 screen is good enough for indoor work. I have not tried it outside yet. The T2's screen washes out outdoors.

[LiteBuLB]

actualy, y do pdas nowadays doesnt comes wit a cradle? th55, T5, zires,,, is it a trend or another evil marketing scheme?

[seascape]

KeySuite must have caused the duplicates. I had deactivated its conduits long ago for the T2, but forgot that it was still installed on my desktop. I just uninstalled KeySuites for good. KS must have detected the new Palm (the T5) and decided that it was allowed to do its thing without asking. So the duplicates thing had nothing to do with Palm or the T5.

Some more good things about the T5:
- The big size of the 320 x 480 screen is just great.
- The form factor is fine for me and my habits. Excellent, in fact.
- Landscape works very well. I plan to start using spreadsheets on PDA now, for the first time (no point with 320x320).
- I like the new T5 hardware and OS 5.4 software navigation features, like the task bar at the bottom of the screen.
- I like using the first hard key to launch the apps screen.
- I like that the hard keys are small and right at the bottom of the unit.

The Multi-Connector seems to physically plug and unplug easily enough. Ask me about it in a few weeks. I'm still dubious, having bent the UC's components a few times on the T2, and lived through some laptop dongle problems. But we need to give it the test of time.

I really miss having a cradle.

[gaschip]

Ive seen like 200 T5´s at Miami´s CompUSA (all of them)
You should check the stock at www.compusa.com with the zip code.

[ahloon]

Me too have both my calender and contacts duplicated on my palm desktop... but i dun have KeySuite! Not using any other desktop other then palm's. Still wonder...

[seascape]

Me too have both my calender and contacts duplicated on my palm desktopI just got home from a 10 hour shift at work, and my computer is still grinding away culling the duplicates -- it's been running for 24 hours now. The lesson: make a backup of Outlook before synching the first time with a new Palm on the system.

[Gekko]

Did you try this?

UnDupe 1.9.3
by Stevens Creek Software
Shareware $7.95 USD

Summary: Automatically removes duplicate entries


http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&SID=E1694FC2-CF18-AC2E-79603D82A53CCC0F&PartnerREF=&prodID=756

[seascape]

Gekko, thanks for the UnDupe tip. Actually I was able to roll Outlook back to a few hours before my first HotSync, thanks to a new external hard drive backup system (phew). Lost a few emails, but that's life. I just did a "Desktop to Handheld" Sync to overwrite the duplicated version on the T2.

I am so impressed with positive reports that I am getting in private emails from colleagues who are using the T5 in a similar work environment that I'm going to hard reset my T5, hide all the T2's backup folder contents, and Sync the T5 to the T2's username. I'll reinstall all the software to the T5 one app at a time, and keep the T2 as a working backup handheld for work (reference material) until I know the T5 is working reliably.

[zenlon]

seascape, this is great running commentary. Thanks for making the effort.

[ipalm]

I am surprised that you (or anyone else who relies heavily on their handheld) would switch over to the T5 as a primary handheld in the absence of an adequate backup to SD card solution. I know the developers will have fixes soon (so it's not a problem, more a delay). Just curious - how will you deal with this in the interim? I do a daily or more back up to my SD card with my TC, more often if I've changed something critical, and once a week I hotsync with backup to my PC.

I'm really appreciating the great battery in the T5 - much better than my TC (which admittedly after 18 months doesn't hold a charge quite as well as it did when new).

[seascape]

Well, I've had a fun morning installing my T2's software to the T5. I am posting software compatibility reports to Lance's thread above.

I simply have not experienced any deal-breaking problems at all. Some software does not work, but as best I can tell that has to do with developers needing to update their software to run in the new T5/5.4 OS environment. Soft resets are not unduly slow.

I started off doing a Zero Reset (that is a new type of total factory-setting reset for the T5: see palmOne's website). That put the T5 back into the condition it was when I took it out of the box, except that the ROM update persisted, so I did not have to re-apply it.

Then I renamed the T2's directory tree to "Old", and deleted the original Palm username from Palm Desktop. So essentially it was as if I was a new Palm user with a new Palm.

At the first HotSync everything went fine. I renamed the T5 to my old T2's name, but because the folder had been hidden, the system simply built a new folder and began adding the subfolders it needed. It automatically detected that I had Outlook and synchronized Outlook to the T5.

Then I started installing software, one app at a time. I had no significant problems at all, and the ones I did were on the software side, not the T5. For example my major medical references all need new registration keys, because the Device ID for the T5 is different from the T2. That means waiting for Customer Support to get back to me with new keys. No big deal, just inconvenient.

The more I use the T5, the more I like it. As I suspected, this device is pretty much the machine I have been waiting for all these years, given that I don't use WiFi.

Among other pleasantries, it is SO NICE to have normal digitizing again, instead of having to peck around the icons trying to find the wandering sweet spot (hope that lasts).

Is it my (honeymoon) imagination, or is Graffiti II now working better? I don't feel nearly as frustrated using it. Someone reported that it seemed as if GII was thinking before printing, and I get the same feeling. Plus, of course, the T5 digitizer isn't wandering like the T2's.

Drive Mode is great. I love being able to open the internal "Disk on Chip" and my own external SD card in Windows Explorer and do file maintenance. This is one more irritation solved by the T5 (not having to move the SD card from Palm to card reader and back again). Although I don't think I can control which "card" memory to install a file to using palmOne Quick Install, it's easy to use Windows to drag them back and forth later. I had a problem with ZLauncher, where the first time I installed it (my fault), it locked up the T5. I couldn't get into Apps to delete it, because it kept launching instead. So I went into Drive Mode, copied Filez.prc to the SD card, then got out of DM, navigated to Files on the T5 and found Filez.prc on the SD card, then ran Filez.prc from there to delete ZL and try again. That's the kind of flexibility that the new T5 features allow.

I am getting private email from people who are using the T5 and having no problems with it. A couple said that they were uneasy about posting their positive experiences in the forums, given all the earlier controversy.

Let's see if my warm glow lasts, now that I have committed the T5 as my primary handheld.

[seascape]

I am surprised that you (or anyone else who relies heavily on their handheld) would switch over to the T5 as a primary handheld in the absence of an adequate backup to SD card solution.I don't generate much new data on my handheld daily -- I mostly use it for reference. Outlook syncs, thereby backing up my PIM data, and most of the other data-generating apps have conduits that similarly synchronize with the desktop (HanDBase, Bonsai, DTG). I look forward to the security of SD backups before my next trip away from home without the laptop, but I don't miss it a lot right now. And I can always slip into Drive Mode to do manual copies if I have to.

[seascape]

Somthing isn't right. I have not figured out exactly what's going on, but:

1. Yesterday as I was installing software, HotSync would sometimes fail to start on the desktop. When I tapped OK on the T5, a dialogue appeared on the handheld reporting that "connection could not be established". The HS icon would disappear from the taskbar. I would launch HS on the desktop and start HS, and HS would proceed fine. I put up with that. It's still doing it today too.

2. Then this morning HS actually froze on the desktop. I had to End Task to close it out. I rebooted the destop 3 times trying to get a complete HS to go. On the third try HS spent a long time at the Calendar conduit. I was watching Outlook on the desktop and thinking, "oh-oh, I should have made a backup copy of my now clean outlook.pst". Then bang, duplicates started appearing in Outlook. I simply pulled the plug on the handheld (multiconnector). Fortunately I've only got a few dozen duplicates to contend with, but what the...?

That was with DateBk5 running. I'm going to uninstall DB5 for now, just in case it needs more work.

3. On checking the HS conduit, I now see 8 conduits that relate to Outlook, but last night there were only 4. They are listed like this in HS Custom:

Calendar (Outlook) Synchronize the Files
Date Book (Outlook) Do Nothing
Contacts (Outlook) Synchronize the Files
Address Book (Outlook) Do Nothing
Tasks (Outlook) Synchronize the Files
To Do List (Outlook) Do Nothing
Memos (Outlook) Synchronize the Files
Memo Pad (Outlook) Do Nothing

What are the 4 extra conduits all about?

[seascape]

After turning off all the Outlook conduits on the desktop, deleting DateBk5 on the T5, rebooting the desktop and doing a HotSync (which went fine), going through Remove Programs in Windows and making sure that all remnants of Chapura's PocketMirror are gone (there were two left, not used since 2002 according to Windows) I am left with these conduits listed in HS Custom (these are all Outlook terms for the PIMs, not Palm terms):

Calendar (Outlook) Do Nothing
Contacts (Outlook) Do Nothing
Tasks (Outlook) Do Nothing
Memo (Outlook) Do Nothing

These are the basic Palm conduits, but where did these come from this morning, and why are they now gone, and how does all this relate to the duplication that started happening this morning?:

Date Book (Outlook)
Address Book (Outlook)
To Do List (Outlook)
Memo Pad (Outlook)

[ifonline]

Just like the T3, you should have 8 conduits installed. The old conduits are:

Datebook
Address Book
To Do List
Memo Pad

The above list should automatically be set to do nothing. The new conduits are:

Calendar
Contacts
Tasks
Memo

You need all 8 conduits for hotsync to work properly. My guess is that the T2 and the T5 are not playing well together. Remember that with the T3 (and now the T5, I assume), Outlook sync was native, while the T2 never had the proper Calendar fields or Contacts fields to have native sync with Outlook. My suggestion would be to uninstall the Palm Desktop (and all related components) completely because Palm Desktop for the T2 is missing critical functionality for the T5, use a Registry cleaner to completely erase any trace of the Palm Desktop, and then reinstall with the Desktop specifically for the T5. I would really hesitate to even connect the T2 at all.

Hope this helps.

Ian

[seascape]

You need all 8 conduits for hotsync to work properly. My guess is that the T2 and the T5 are not playing well together. Remember that with the T3 (and now the T5, I assume), Outlook sync was native, while the T2 never had the proper Calendar fields or Contacts fields to have native sync with Outlook. My suggestion would be to uninstall the Palm Desktop (and all related components) completely because Palm Desktop for the T2 is missing critical functionality for the T5, use a Registry cleaner to completely erase any trace of the Palm Desktop, and then reinstall with the Desktop specifically for the T5. I would really hesitate to even connect the T2 at all.
IanThanks Ian. I don't quite understand.

1. Why are all 8 conduits needed, if I'm only syncing the T5? Wouldn't I need the 4 old ones only if I sync'd a Palm older than the T3 or T5?

2. If I do the clean reinstall of the Palm desktop as you suggest, should I not still be able to HS a T2 or any earlier Palm model, as well as the T5? Surely Palm hasn't orphaned them from a computer syncing T5's.

I picked up Conduit Buddy from PalmGear this morning. Handy tool.

Thanks for your thoughts.

[seascape]

Here's a screenshot from my T5 this morning, just to prove they really exist, full of running software:

http://www.jimthompson.net/palmpda/images/T5b.gif

[ifonline]

Understand that I don't have a T5, but I do have a T3, and I believe that they are going to work the same.

There is some argument as to why there are two sets of conduits for each data type (Calendar-Datebook, etc.), but that just seems to be the way it is. Chalk it up to a development quirk or something. It does work, as I have been using a T3 and it syncs properly every time. Let the T5 Desktop software install everything for you and you won't have to make any changes.

That being said, here's what I suggest. As I said earlier, uninstall and clean up the old Palm Desktop. Additionally, make sure any Palm OS/Software programs that are installed that have left desktop traces are removed as well. An example would be Documents-To-Go. Once everything is removed, install the Palm Desktop (and related software) that came with the T5 only. Do not install anything related to the T2. Make sense?

Anyway, it is very important to use the Desktop software that came on the T5 CD. Once you have completed the install, you could always try to sync the T2. Again, I really don't recommend it, as it will want to use the older conduits. I wouldn't want to go messing with any of that.

Hold on to the T2 if you aren't happy with the T5, but I wouldn't try and use it as a backup system, and I wouldn't go making changes to the HotSync setup just to be able to sync the T2. It might corrupt the T5.

Ian

[seascape]

I have not figured out how to control which memory area (outside RAM) to install software. I used drag-and-drop to install Skyscape's products from Windows Explorer to the two panes in Palm Quick Install (for some reason Skyscape's automated install process did not kick in, but manual install worked). All the files that I dropped on the lower pane ended up on the external SD card in Palm\Launcher. But earlier today the Sanford Guide databases ended up on the internal card area in Applications, and I cannot recall exactly how I controlled that during installation, if I did.

Before manually moving databases from the external SD card to the internal virtual card, I need to figure out which folder to put them in. Applications?

So after 4 days I think myT5 is almost ready for prime time, except that the Outlook Calendar is still being culled of duplicates from this morning's incident. I plan to carry the T2 for security (I have not been syncing it since I committed to the T5, but it is fully loaded with all my usual reference software). And I haven't got PEPID loaded yet, but there is a workaround.

[ipalm]

Didn't know that Skyscape was now carrying some of the emedicine texts...good to know. Keep us posted on how the Skyscape reader is working. I've had big technical issues with Skyscape in the past (with very poor response time to inquiries), so I look forward to hearing about your experience.

Check the Skyscape FAQ's - there is something there about trouble installing Skyscape products to the T5 with instructions on updating a particular PC file. Maybe that will fix your install problem.

It is good to see that Skyscape has already addressed this T5 issue. I realize the T5 is not for everybody, but I suspect a lot of medical professionals (i.e. Skyscape users!) will be gravitating to it as generous memory and battery life are pretty important in the way we work.

[ahloon]

..... except that the Outlook Calendar is still being culled of duplicates from this morning's incident.

Dear seascape, does the duplication happens on ur palm too? In my case, only the pc has the duplication, so wht i did is set the calendar and contacts in my hotsyn conduit to handheld overwrite desktop... after hotsyn.. things go back to their original state n I've change them back to synchronies files, no more error msg on the log.

If u no longer need to syn ur T2, u can actually uninstall the palm desktop n reinstall it with the new desktop from the T5 CD, I did that n now on my hotsyn conduit there' only the contacts, tasks, memos, calendar... datebooks, address etc no longer there.

For my skyscape, I keep the prc in the main memory n the rest in my palm/launcher/ in the SD card. BTW, does skyscape works in full screen? mine only works in 320x320.

Thanx. Cheers.

[SoS]

I am getting private email from people who are using the T5 and having no problems with it. A couple said that they were uneasy about posting their positive experiences in the forums, given all the earlier controversy.



now this is very sad...come obn guys, dont be shy, we need both sides of the story else Gekko will single-handedly force P1 out of business ;)

[seascape]

This has not been the smoothest upgrade. I still don't have the T5 shaken out and ready for daily use. I cannot blame anything yet: my computer's environment, the new HotSync software (others are using it fine, and it runs fine if I turn off all the Outlook conduits), Outllook or the palmOne Outlook conduits, or my USB connections (I doubt that's the problem).

I don't know why, but HotSync continually crashes after syncing Outllook Calendar. The handheld says "Cleaning Up", and then "Lost Connection", but the desktop's HS Progress dialogue appears to be running trying to sync Memo. I have to use Task Manager to End Task. I uninstalled palmOne desktop and reinstalled it (did not try to clean the Registry -- never had to do that before). After the reinstall, all 8 conduits were back, and set to Synchronize. Same problem.

I turned off all 8 Outlook conduits, and HS proceeded to finish just fine. Something is wrong around Outlook.

[seascape]

It's Nov 3. I started converting to the T5 Oct 27, when it arrived from SoftMagic via Canada Post.

I have been carrying my T5 everywhere now, but I still use the T2 for security. I have never hotsynced the T2 to my main desktop since I started working with the T5; instead I am syncing the T2 to my laptop, completely independantly.

I've got the T5 settled down almost completely. PEPID is finally installed and running fine, although I had to use the hotsync timeout backdoor, and had to install it to RAM.

But I still have not figured out what's wrong with Outlook hotsync, and I do not have the T5 syncing with Outlook yet. That's a big headache. I am about to tackle that problem fully, now that I have the medical references running well.

Come to think of it, I don't have Documents to Go running yet. It was running fine when I did the first HotSync last week, but when I went throught the palmOne Desktop uninstall-reininstall I elected to skip reinstalling DTG for now. I think I'll save that for when I get Outlook sync working properly.

My T5 Vaja case arrived yesterday. It's as perfect for me as the first two Vaja cases I've owned. Very pricey, but very functional. I wish I had picked different colours, but, well, that's life. The kids think it's cool.

[seascape]

I am not ready to make a final summary conclusion on the T5 yet, but here is my interim conclusion:

I really like the T5. After a week of daily use, including three 12 hour night shifts at work, the T5 is meeting nearly all of the expectations that the rumours lead me to expect. I have long called for a simple, big screen tablet Palm with big RAM, good screen, big battery, handy hard buttons, and slim form factor. It has all of those.

I have been tracking my ideal Palm characteristics at
http://www.jimthompson.net/palmpda/IdealPalm.htm.

The little missing elements are little: no LED charging light, no cradle (yet), power button a bit hard to reach quickly.

The new things are nice: Favourites, the toolbar at the bottom of the screen, the new rectangular 5-way navigator pad. I can navigate around easier with the T5 than I could with any other Palm I've owned.

Graffiti 2 still seems much easier for me to use on the T5 than on the T2, my first experience with it. I have been using both devices this week, and I can definitely write faster and more accurately on the T5. The T2 had digitizer drift, but I think they might have done some work under the hood too (?).

There are problems with some software products because of the new OS, but my main apps are running just fine so I can wait for the rest to catch up (except for Outllook sync, which remains a very big issue for me). Several of my main medical references cannot yet take advantage of the 320x480 screen, but that's not palmOne's fault.

Last night at work a colleague and I compared my T5 with his T3. I can see why T3 users are frustrated. Aside from dropping the slider and adding more flash internal memory, the T5 is not much of an upgrade for them. But for the rest of us the T5 is a very attractive upgrade.

Interim bottom line: this is a very welcome Palm model for working people. It delivers information in a very nice package that is easy to use and carry. Hopefully I won't have to upgrade now for two years, at least.

[seascape]

I seem to have fixed Outlook sync. My outlook.pst file was not compatible with the outlook conduits that I installed from the T5 CD. I was getting OLE errors and HotSync crashes trying to Sync Calendar. No idea why, but when I renamed my old pst file to hide it from Outlook, Outlook created a new one and all those problems vanished. It only took a few minutes to import the last year of appointments to Calendar, along with my old notes, contacts, todos, and essential emails. Now I not only have a trimmer outlook.pst file (down from 0.2 GB after 6 years of use, but still a whopping 25 mb for some reason), but HotSync proceeds merrily again, and I finally have PIM functions on the T5.

My only remaining thorn seems to be PEPID, but the PEPID team is working hard on the problems that T5's new software environment have thrown to them.

With some trepidation, I think I can say that my T5 is ready for prime time today, Nov 4, eight days after it arrived by Canada Post. But my T2 won't be far away for a while, especially at work.

I have a very loaded Palm, and I tend to use a lot of 3rd party apps, probably much more than the average user (like most on these forums), so this has been a very busy week for me. The T5 is a very nice device, but for me it had shakey legs after I delivered it from the box. I think it's up and running now. I 've spent most of my time off between shifts at work getting the T5 loaded up and stable. I hope these notes of my experience will shorten the upgrade time for others.

[seascape]

Keep us posted on how the Skyscape reader is working. I've had big technical issues with Skyscape in the past (with very poor response time to inquiries), so I look forward to hearing about your experience. Check the Skyscape FAQ's - there is something there about trouble installing Skyscape products to the T5 with instructions on updating a particular PC file. Maybe that will fix your install problem. It is good to see that Skyscape has already addressed this T5 issue. I realize the T5 is not for everybody, but I suspect a lot of medical professionals (i.e. Skyscape users!) will be gravitating to it as generous memory and battery life are pretty important in the way we work.The latest Skyscape Reader and 3 ebooks that I bought or updated from them since I got the T5 are all rock-solid so far. I don't recall using their Tech Support this time, but I have not had problems with them before, and I've used them since their K2 days.

[palmdoc88]

Pity they still haven't supported 320x480 !

[seascape]

In all my jinking around this week I orphaned several conduits when I reinstalled palmOne Desktop/HotSync Manager at one point. Until then I had been keeping all my Palm folders on D: drive, but during that install I thoughtlessly allowed it to install to C:. No big deal, and probably better to start using the default anyway. But that unhooked DTG. So I removed DTG, planning to reinstall it from the T5 CD.

This morning before going to work I couldn't find DTG setup on the T5 CD, so I ran Desktop setup.exe from the CD. Rather than giving me a chance to selectively install, that resulted in a complete reinstallation of HS Manager, which for some reason unhooked HotSync (something about a missing usb dll). No time to fix, had to get to work.

After work I skipped HotSync in section 2 of the setup routine, and went to section 4 to install DTG, which went fine.

Then I ran the ran the Repair section of Desktop setup, which took a long time, but then HotSync worked again. Phew.

But then I just checked HS log, and all my handheld categories were deleted in that last HS. Now that's a new wrinkle. In boating we say, "There's always something!".

[seascape]

Then suddenly at the end of HotSync I started getting "smartheap library mem_bad_pointer" dialogues on my screen --never seen that before. Fortunately Google quickly found the answer:
http://www.microquill.com/kb/xpsp2.htm

[seascape]

I think things are finally settling down. Still have some issues with HotSync Manager either crashing at the end of a successful Sync, or popping up those odd smartheap errors. I'm putting up with just restarting HS.

The new ZLauncher 5 is great. Seems to be very stable, and adds lots to the usability of the T5 with its big screen. ZL's file manager is excellent on the T5.

The beta version of DateBk5 is great too. Also seems to be stable, so far.

I think I'm finally there. Have I got the nerve now to install the T5 to my laptop too? Or should I keep running the T2 on the laptop, and wait a bit? I think I'll wait.

[palmdoc88]

Someone on KVPUG also had Hotsync issues with the T5

http://www.kvpug.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=159897#159897

"The culprit is Document-to-Go. If installed, it tries to collect your recent word, excel and powerpoint files that you're working on and tranfer them into your handheld on the next hotsynch. And it does this very untidyly by copying the files in the My Document folder, and I accidently erased them, including maybe the UserData.dll file. And this action broke the link for the hotsynch manager.

BTW, Ultrasoft Datashield, and Smartlist-to-Go dd not yet work in T5. Confirmed in their manufacturer's forum and by Dataviz respectively (STG however has a patch, but I would wait for next proper release)."

[seascape]

Well after a weekend out of town with the laptop NOT readied for the T5, I just installed the T5 to the laptop too. It went smooth as silk. First, though, I uninstalled all the Chapura and Palm desktop software on the laptop, and renamed the T2's old folders to a hidden place.

The only duplicates I encountered this time were odd. I had set up HS Manager to Do Nothing for the 4 old Outlook conduits, and to Handheld overwrites Desktop for the 4 new ones. That went fine, except that a dozen recurring appointments with No End that had been in the laptop's Outlook WERE synchronized. I had previously manually changed all the recurring appointments on the desktop's Outlook which had No End to end about 10 years out. So it appears that No End recurring appointments might still be a problem for Palm/Outlook.

Anyway, HS seems to be behaving OK on the laptop, with none of the wierdness I'm getting on the desktop. And I can sync the T5 to both computers now just fine.

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By the way, the T5 was a joy to use in meetings while on the trip this weekend, and while travelling. Completely stable, and all the nice things that I liked when the rumours were flying turned out to be very nice.

One odd thing: I beamed a DTG Excel file from the T5 to a colleague who had DTG running on a T3. He recieved the file, but could not find it under Documents on his T3.

[Antoine]

Good to hear about your experiences with the T5 Seascape. I kind of envy you as I am not able to get a T5 yet, but I do plan to make a T5 my next PDA, unless P1 releases better.

About your friend whom you beamed the Word Doc to: did he have DTG scan for the new file. DTG has a tendancy to not always display an updated doc list, especially when docs are beamed. If he does the Seach/Add function then the doc should show up.

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About your friend whom you beamed the Word Doc to: did he have DTG scan for the new file. DTG has a tendancy to not always display an updated doc list, especially when docs are beamed. If he does the Seach/Add function then the doc should show up.We wondered about a function like that and looked for it briefly, but got busy with other things in the meeting. Thanks for the tip.

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Three weeks in. The T5 is rock-solid. Using it daily, and HotSyncing on both computers now. Still getting HS crashes after successful HS on the desktop, about every 3rd HS. Minor annoyance. I posted about it over on the new p1 help forums. This model fits my style and needs just right. It's the one I've been waiting for, pretty much. Still need a cradle. Looking forward to backup-to-SD software. Thinking about ordering a Palm Universal Keyboard.

[zenlon]

Three weeks in. The T5 is rock-solid. Using it daily ...
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Thinking about ordering a Palm Universal Keyboard.
FYI, I continue to be interested in your experiences and am keenly reading.

I would be very interested to hear your experience with a keyboard, too. I am probably going to get a T5 soon, and will likely get my first keyboard to use with a Palm as well.

Thanks again. :)

[Gekko]

>"HS crashes after successful HS on the desktop, about every 3rd HS."

ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE!!!

Good luck!!!

[oz-nom]

I have had very few issues with Hotsync. One of the 3rd party apps seems to be the culprit on the odd (and I mean *very* occasional) time HS crashes. The developers know about & are working on it. I hotsync several times a day and maybe deal a crash once every 3 or 4 days or less.

I bought the Universal Keyboard last week and love it. Although some aspects are a bit of a challenge (the "?" key placement is somewhat novel!!) overall it is wonderful to use. And once I stopped automatically trying to use my desktop shortcuts on my handheld, things improved as well. While still not "perfect" it is significantly better than the original wireless and is easy to use. From my perspective, well worth the investment.

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>"HS crashes after successful HS on the desktop, about every 3rd HS."ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE!!!Not for me. I simply click on the HS manager icon to restart it. I'll find a proper fix eventually, but don't feel compelled to keep working on it right now. HS works fine on the laptop. I should have uninstalled the old handheld's p1 software from the desktop before installing from the T5 CD. This isn't a T5 issue, by the way. It has something to do with p1's HS manager/conduit software installation over a previous installation.

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Update: I got a brand new desktop computer this week. I installed Office first thing, and then the T5 palmOne software CD. Smooth as silk, except that I got Calendar duplicates from that date forward (easily removed by hand using View/By Category; I had copied my outlook.pst file from the old computer to the new computer before the first HotSync, so maybe the system got confused there -- minor issue). No subsequent crashes or problems. So clearly all my problems above came from installing the T5 palmOne CD over top of the T2's palmOne installation.

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My bottom line on the T5: Love it.

I have since installed the T5 to two new computers, and HotSync has been perfectly fine on both of them. Lesson: I should not have installed the T5's desktop software over the T2's. Should have done a complete uninstall of the T2's desktop and HS Manager first.

My ongoing T5 review is at:
http://www.jimthompson.net/palmpda/MyTungstenT5.htm
in case anyone is interested.

[atraum]

Welp, I'm in my first week with my new T5. It certainly is night and day from my TT but not sure if I will keep it. Even when I purchased my TT my ideal PDA had the 320x480 screen with virtual graffiti, landscape mode and 802.11.

I love the T5 for the screen it provides and have had very few software issues, some setup snags but all is well now. Took about 40 minutes to get all setup with my new desktop, old info transfer, many 3rd party aps and bluetooth sync setup. I guess I just see this hardware in the $300 price point and not the just about $400 (with tax) point, if it had 802.11 I would easily justify it but...

Tell you the truth I don't even know how often I would use 802.11 but I do have a network setup at home. I figure I will get the bluetooth setup to surf the net today and check it out to see how useful a 802.11 connection could be. If I see any use in it the T5 will most likely go back and I will wait for the next round with OS6 and I'm sure 802.11.