We are Officially Discontinued

[Unregistered]

Hey guys,

Our beloved T-665c is now discontinued on Sony's website. It has been replaced by TG50.

Sad, sad day in history...

[xyeta]

I am just waiting for the prices to drop....

[yOyOYoo]

I am just waiting for you to register...

[SeineSeeker]

Come over to Europe (I thought about putting some funny copy here about Americans and Presidents not knowing what or where Europe is, but I don't think I better), not discontinued here yet. In fact you can get still get the 625 (615) here as well.

[LanMan]

I am thinking about upgrading my T415 to a new Sony. Do you feel that the T665 is still a viable machine compared to the new OS5 200Mhz units?

I am interested in a siginificant speed boost over the 33Mhz in the T415, color (finally), at least 16MB RAM, faster MS access, and enhanced sound. The TG50 looks interesting, but I would probably prefer a VG style unit. I am also interested in viewing digital pics (we have a new baby), and maybe some short video segments w/sound (again of the new baby).

I have several DA's and hacks that I use pretty frequently, and I believe that they can't be used with OS5 units. However, I am afraid that developers are going to start coding to the OS5 hi-res standard, and not for the OS4.1 hi-res functions (i.e. DateBk5).

What do you think? Is the T665 at $300 still a good deal? Do you think that it will last another 1-2 years for a PDA power user? I can't afford to upgrade every time Sony comes out with something new.

[Anita]

Well, this is just my personal opinion, but I haven't seen anything yet that even looks interesting compared to my T665C. I haven't even touched an OS5 unit, tho, so I'm really not comparing it with anything. . .

I can't live without graffiti. I bought the Sony thumbboard for the T665c and used it long enough to figure out that a thumbboard is not as productive for me as graffiti, MessageEase or a full keyboard (for extensive entries).

I have small hands and I like the T665 form factor for that reason. The SJ series is just a tad wider and it makes a big difference for me in the "holding" factor.

As for software updates, I recently bit the bullet and upgraded my 4-year-old Quicken software on my PC. Newer does NOT necesarily mean better; I sorely regret the upgrade <g>.

PS I think if you watch for coupons and sales you can get the T665C for less than $300. Best Buy and Circuit City in particular have odd short-term (one week often) deals for online buyers only. When I bought mine, it was under a one-week Circuit City deal with a $25 rebate plus 20 percent off - back in October.

Anita

[chipman]

665ers,
Speaking for my fellow NR users--We feel your pain.
Someone-please stop this madness!!!!
Is it too much to ask for 1 stink'in year without an obsolete CLIE?
Anyone know a good price on a NX70V?

[nsumner]

Originally posted by LanMan
What do you think? Is the T665 at $300 still a good deal? Do you think that it will last another 1-2 years for a PDA power user? I can't afford to upgrade every time Sony comes out with something new.

I also can't afford something new whenever it comes out. However I have found a PDA rarely actually lasts more then about 2 years. They start to die (at the bare minimum the battery kicks the bucket). Our good friends at stores like best buy and comp-USA then guarantee our product. The great thing is you buy a 2-3 year extended warranty. Go in 2 years later when the battery has kicked the bucket and tell them your Clie no longer works (true). They then give you a in store credit for what you originally paid. So for examply I bought a T615C about 8 months ago if my Clie died today (except the 1 year covered by Sony) I could go to the store and get a credit. That would buy me a T665C plus a little bit!!!

At Radio Shack (here in Canada at least), they instituted the policy of selling an extended warranty on anything. To proove the stupidity of this a friend bought 4AA batteries for his walkman and bought a 3 year extended warranty. Shock of all shocks they ran out of juice. He brought them in and exchanged them for new batteries. He is now on his 6 replacement on his extended warranty! I wonder how long until they get smart and don't sell extended warranties on batteries???

[sperrier]

Well, I am just about fed up with Sony. I've waited and waited for a replacement for my T665 with the same form factor and a 320x480 screen with VG. This on top of the memory stick fiasco has about convinced me to abandon Clie's and go back to a pocket pc. I would really like to try OS5 but I don't see how Sony calls the TG50 a replacement for the T665. It's not even close, it's totally different.

Oh. well, sorry for the rant, just had to vent a little.

[brudio]

I'm a T665 owener too. Question, isn't the SJ33 the replacement for the T665 (Albeit plactic and not metal)?

[randy_m]

My wife is using my old 'obsolete' N610C, and it still works just fine. They don't make it anymore, so what?

What exactly is the 'memory stick fiasco'?

Cheers

[tsuribito]

Well the new Memory Sticks are not compatible with OS 4 Clies

I will never buy a Sony again too. At least not if they do not release the thing we are all waiting for. But since I use my average PDA for 2-3 years, this will be my last handheld Palm. Next one will be implanted into my eye :)

[sperrier]

The SJ33 is basically the same as the T665, just a different shape and size. No OS5, no new processor, same old stuff.

There's nothing wrong with te T665, or N610C for that matter, I just like new stuff. I always want the latest technology, as much as my pocket will allow.

I'm sorry to say it, but with the leak on the frontpage of cliesource about the new NX73 and NX80 I don't think we are going to get what we want any time soon, if at all.

[xyeta]

I think some of you are being a bit resentful about the obsolescence of Sony products. I think it is a function of innovation, and if you are constantly pushing development, then some will have to retire.

[Jeffry]

Typical Sony.

[Burdie]

LanMan:

FWIW I upgraded from the 415 to the 665 and my only regret is that I did not do it sooner. I am really enjoying the benefits of colour, speed, faster access to the MS etc.

If you do make the move I don't think you will regret it. I am hoping and expecting to get at least two good years from the 665.

Burdie

[Palié]

A bit off topic here, but why isn't there a TG picture on top of the site, consider the NZ pic came up the day it was announced. If there isn't enough room for SVGA monitors to fit all 8 pictures (blame Sony:(), can Cliesource at least replace the S picture with the TG one, because the TG is so much more popular.

p.s. I have a T665 also, my next device will have at least 32MB RAM and Hires+ screen in a T form, hope Sony will update the TG soon

[riversen]

For the money and if you can a good deal, I would get the T665. I saw a refurbished one on Sony's website for $250. I am sure that's not that great. At our Fry's here in Austin, the SJ33's are selling for $279, so I would probably recommend that one. I have heard that the SJ33 does not have the enhanced IR port and that its screen is a bit different. Is that true? Anyone know more about that?

I would wait till Sony comes out with something else unless you like the SJ33. That would be my choice right now... especially with the great battery life (my only major complaint about the T665). I do know that there are some other ones that would have the power without being huge from Samsung and Garmin. They have the 320X480 high-resolution screens with 200+ MHz processors, and 32 Meg of RAM. If I don't sound too pompous, but we have a little discussion about this in a discussion thread that I started (http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7133). I have the links for the Samsung (http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/) and Garmin (http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5108) there. I hope and believe that Sony will come out with a true replace for the T665 soon. If they don't, then others will capture a market that I thought Sony had control of. Of course, these are only my thoughts.

[Mastervtec]

The sj33 does not have the extended ir, and therefore no remote commander, about the screen, I didn't notice a much difference at all, I had the sj33 for about 3 days before the fingerprints really started annoying me, so I got rid of it!!

Actually, the samsung still has a 320x320 screen, and 324x352 if you count the phones status bar.JFYI

[tpipher]

Can you say "Garmin"? http://www.garmin.com/products/iQue3600/

[Jeffry]

Garmin isn't released yet.

[wellsjs]

The Costco near my work has the T665C new for $197! Almost bought a second one at that price! :eek:

[robrecht]

Originally posted by randy_m
What exactly is the 'memory stick fiasco'?

For years SONY has sold many expensive Memory Stick devices (not just handhelds but also laptops, cameras, music players, video cameras, TVs, etc) with the promise that Memory Stick capacity would continue to grow to 1 & 2 GB by 2002 with much faster transfer rates. They always promised that the higher capacity, faster Memory Sticks would be fully compatible:

"Forward Compatibility- As Memory Stick media capacities continue to increase in the next century, Memory Stick's original serial protocol will ensure compatibility among current products and media, and the products and media of the future."

At some point they must have known that they were deceiving customers. In December of 2002, C|Net broke the story that SONY's delayed faster, higher capacity memory sticks would not be compatible with some older devices. SONY representatives officially and behind the scenes denied the C|Net story, even ridiculing the story as foolish.

In January, SONY announced the new line of incompatible Memory Sticks, and it was obvious that C|Net was completely correct and that SONY had been deceiving their most loyal and committed customers for some time. A few SONY devices can be made perhaps only partially compatible with the new Memory Stick Pro, but the great majority of devices will not be compatible.

To date, SONY has not explained their deceptive and dishonorable behavior. They are relying on the fact that most customers and even electronics sales people don’t have a clue.

[riversen]

Originally posted by wellsjs
The Costco near my work has the T665C new for $197! Almost bought a second one at that price! :eek:

Are you serious? Are you in Texas? Any chance you could buy one for me if send you the money... LOL (just kidding, of course). Makes me want to go to mine to see if they have any. I hope to find one like that for my wife.

[mashoutposse]

So the market advancing should stop just because you bought a T665c?

I wonder how you manage to survive with that 'obsolete' PC that you're typing on :rolleyes:

[riversen]

Right on, mashoutposse. I am all for the advances... especially the truly high powered one that will finally give me my T995 or whatever they call it with the 32 to 48 Meg's of RAM, 300 MHz processor, 32 Meg's of ROM, Memory Stick Pro, 320x480 High resolution screen, and the 20 hour battery that's replacable!!!! Bring on the technology!

[Yuriv]

I have followed all the new Clie releases with the same response to each: initial excitement, lust for the new features, disgust at the size and/or lack of VG.
IMO the T665 remains the pinnacle of PDA development. I would pay a lot for the exact same model with VG, replaceable battery, MSPro compatibility, ARM processor, and possibly OS5 (never having tried it I can't say that for sure).
What is the problem here? Do the required components not fit into the case of the T665? Why can Toshiba make a sleek little PPC with an Arm processor while Sony has to produce a huge brick?

[riversen]

Originally posted by Yuriv
I have followed all the new Clie releases with the same response to each: initial excitement, lust for the new features, disgust at the size and/or lack of VG.
IMO the T665 remains the pinnacle of PDA development. I would pay a lot for the exact same model with VG, replaceable battery, MSPro compatibility, ARM processor, and possibly OS5 (never having tried it I can't say that for sure).
What is the problem here? Do the required components not fit into the case of the T665? Why can Toshiba make a sleek little PPC with an Arm processor while Sony has to produce a huge brick?

I could not agree more. I would like the power without the brick. I also want the battery, too. I am waiting for it... when it comes out (they cannot afford an "if").

[rob_squared]

No matter what opinion you have, there's always someone to disagree with you. :)

[Wizardb]

CompUSA had the T665 in their add today for $229. I have been planning on buying an SJ33. What's your opinion-- Would the T665 at this price be better? I currently use a Visor Prism.

Oops--just read a little further down and fourd te thread comparing the SJ33 and the T665. I'm pretty sure I'm goping to go with the T665.

[JMS]

Originally posted by Wizardb
CompUSA had the T665 in their add today for $229. I have been planning on buying an SJ33. What's your opinion-- Would the T665 at this price be better? I currently use a Visor Prism.

Oops--just read a little further down and fourd te thread comparing the SJ33 and the T665. I'm pretty sure I'm goping to go with the T665.

The battery life on the SJ33 is said to be significantly better, so if you plan to be using the device frequently, I would take this into consideration. The T665 has a better IR port, for what its worth. Otherwise, consider it a a matter of taste, that is to say which design do you like best.

JMS

[nsingleton]

GO WITH THE 665
You can't beat it.

[Wizardb]

Just purchased a T665 at CompUSA for $229. Its charging up now so I have yet to turn it on. As I previously stated, I originally planned on getting an SJ33, but at this price I couldn't pass up the T665. I hope to hot sync my files from my Visor Prism, but I'm wondering if I wouldn't be better off starting from scratch. I know it would take a while to enter all the info new, but it should would get me up to speed using the new unit and it would eliminate any garbage I might have on the Prism.

Oh well, I'm sure I'll be here often to pick up hints, do's and don'ts. I love my PDA and this is exciting.

[riversen]

I am not familiar with the Visor, so I would say that there may some incompatabilities. You might want to use the Sony Handheld Palm Desktop since it does not use Memo (though it does use Memo Pad). I had problems when I switch from my M100 to the SJ20 and had to just copy certain files out and put them in the Sony version. Maybe there is a simplier way, but that worked for me.