Wavey Lines on TG50

[peakpro]

I am a newbie when it comes to Clie's but I am surprised that there is no discussion on the wavy shadows that the "brighthand" review pointed out that "may" be common on the TG50.

is this something that is just accepted?

[T1000X]

Yes, like the shadows on the NR70V, T615, T665C, SJ30, and SJ33. It's an unfortunate side effect of the front lit transflective TFT LCDs.

[quiller]

sometimes a device gets it, sometimes it doesn't.. me, i've had maybe five different T615 units (i have issues with making Clie's suddenly stop working...) and none of them have had the wavy line problem.

of course, i'd easily trade a 160x160 color screen from the Plam m-series than lose the wonderful 320x320 Hi-Res screen.

[wilsonch_98]

Originally posted by quiller
sometimes a device gets it, sometimes it doesn't.. me, i've had maybe five different T615 units (i have issues with making Clie's suddenly stop working...) and none of them have had the wavy line problem.


Is that because T615 is not using front illuminating TFTs?

[yOyOYoo]

I heard the wavy lines aren't on the NX or NZ models...

I never really notice them on my NR.

[EdFrmBrighthand]

I think we'll hear more about this when people's TG50's start arriving in the mail or stores.

What I'm trying to prevent is people buying one, opening it, seeing the wavy shadows, taking it back, buying another, opening it, seeing the wavy shadows, taking it back, and repeating this process five more times trying to find one without the shadows. I don't think you are going to accomplish anything besides wasting a lot your local electronics store's money.

[EdFrmBrighthand]

Oh yeah, the TG50 infoSync reviewed had these shadows, too.

[mashoutposse]

The NR70/V is the only Sony model on the market right now with the shadows.

[peakpro]

I don't follow your comment? Are you saying only the NR/NX series has the shadows?

[T1000X]

There is some shadowing on other devices, like with the T615C. On some models it looks like a violet and green wavy distortion on the bottom. It is there only on the NR70V, but is noticeable in the T615C, T665C, SJ33 and other models as well. If you look, you can see subtle shadows on the SJ20 as well. Even with the shadowing, I'd still take Sony's transflective displays then Palm's reflective displays. I hate seeing dust under the screen ;-).

[quiller]

my T615 has very subtle lines, and unless you are looking for them, that's basically how they seem. even if they were distracting or too obvious, i'd sacrifice that little problem for the transflective screen (read: being able to actually READ the screen outside or in bright lighting inside).

besides, Sony has to make a few little glitches or they won't have any reason to release the TG55 next month.

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by quiller
besides, Sony has to make a few little glitches or they won't have any reason to release the TG55 next month.

Nah, it won't be until June! And it will be called the TG60, I bet.

[ChuToy]

Please excuse my ignorance, but why don't they make backlit transreflective screens like the IPAQ's, for Clie? Is that something the OS can't support? The HP 1910 has a beautiful backlit screen and it's tiny, so I would guess it's not a matter of trying to keep the units small.

[quiller]

because the transflective screens are better-- the screen has nothing to do with OS5, nor really the unit size. it's about being able to read outside and still get great colors and resolution. the Clie screens are side-lit instead of back-lit, allowing for much brighter and crisper backlights. to date, the transflective screen is the best screen on any PDA.

[neon]

My old n760c has no shadows. Decent screen. Having a 2.8" screen with wavy lines could be a major detriment. I wanted to like the TG50 but am having a difficult time making a purchasing decision. I think I am going to force myself to wait a month and hope my current PDA doesn't crap out and that the price on these things will drop like a rock. With only 16MB of RAM they have already obsoleted part of the unit while in the design room. It's amazing... especially considering only 10.4 MB of RAM is available. That's a measly 3 more than my 8MB n760c that came out years ago....

[s_n_m]

Who cares? The screen is uber-bright, I am sure turning it down a bit won't strain your eyes, and the waves may go away.

Supposedly the waves are only on a white screen, just use YiShow and you are covered for a large portion!:D

[ChuToy]

As I recall, the bottom portion of even a color image I was looking at appeared distorted, due to the "wavy" problem. I wish I could remember what I was looking at when I noticed that. It was a screen with buttons on it, and the buttons appeared distorted toward the bottom of the screen where the wavy line problem appears.

For some people the wavy-line distortion is a significant distraction, but for others, it's something they stop noticing after a few minutes.

The TG50 is definitely a unit someone should try before they buy to make sure its unique characteristics don't pluck any nerves. I would not fault anyone here for complaining about it & being highly disappointed, nor would I doubt anyone for being extremely pleased with their purchase. For those who are, enjoy! It's a beautiful PDA in so many respects. For those who are disappointed, hang in there, PDAs of all sorts are surely waiting in the wings.

[Unregistered]

Uh, you guys appear to be smoking crack. First of all, Clies use Transfective LCDs which are backlit, not side-lit. The HP iPaq 1910 uses the same display as the TG50. So I don't understand why we're having a debate about which technology is better.

For the record, only Reflective LCDs use a side-lit display, like the Tungsten T, which is an older technology and is generally inferior to Transflective LCDs. Thank you and good night! ;)

[ChuToy]

Well Unregistered, you may be right. I went on to read something about the screens to get a better grasp about the terminology and that sounds about right. But then I have to wonder if this model has an additional light source at the bottom of the screen making those wavy lines. SOMETHING is making them. I'm a Pocket PC owner. I don't own a Clie and never have--I was just hoping to own one. So I don't know what these waves are about.

But what debate? I don't see any debate going on here. I had no clue if it's backlit, sidelit, or lit by 4 fireflies and a torch-bearing flea circus, which is why I ASKED, and someone did his level best to answer. I'm glad you have the answers, but please don't go saying anyone here is smoking crack. Accuse us of overdosing on caffeine and pizza and maybe even beer, sure. But crack? Indeed! Ewwww! :p

[wilsonch_98]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Uh, you guys appear to be smoking crack. First of all, Clies use Transfective LCDs which are backlit, not side-lit. The HP iPaq 1910 uses the same display as the TG50. So I don't understand why we're having a debate about which technology is better.

For the record, only Reflective LCDs use a side-lit display, like the Tungsten T, which is an older technology and is generally inferior to Transflective LCDs. Thank you and good night! ;)

I guess this link discribe the different screen technology better then Unregistered. The text is not directly talking about clie thought.....(in fact it is on ppc!!)

http://www.pocketpccentral.net/help/disptypes.htm

[ChuToy]

Thanks! So my GUESS would be that the TG50 is a transmissive, reflective transreflective screen. Wow, that's a mouthful.

[wilsonch_98]

Originally posted by ChuToy
Thanks! So my GUESS would be that the TG50 is a transmissive, reflective transreflective screen. Wow, that's a mouthful.

Hmm....I guess the better word is "back&front lit transreflective screen" :)

[Foo Fighter]

The TG50's screen is NOT front-lit or side-lit, it is backlit just live every other Transflective screen. My Axim also has this same screen, and there is NO side-light.

[wilsonch_98]

But then how would you explain the wavey line?

[Foo Fighter]

Originally posted by wilsonch_98
But then how would you explain the wavey line?

Wavy lines have always been inherent in Transflective LCDs. My Axim has them, my T615c had it. It just seems to be a bit worse on the TG50. But these are not coming from a side-light.

[Ricoh Tek]

Originally posted by Foo Fighter
The TG50's screen is NOT front-lit or side-lit, it is backlit just live every other Transflective screen. My Axim also has this same screen, and there is NO side-light.
Ya know what? I didn't really see this until I loaded Megalauncher 4 (plug) But the display is backlight. There is no glare at the bottom of the screen when viewed from an angle but there are 6 individual lights that give the effect, oh well, isn't bad enough for me to worry about it. I could only put my display on my sj33 down to 1/4 before it was unviewable. The TG50 is down all the way and still as viewable as the sj33 was at 1/2.

[wilsonch_98]

Originally posted by Ricoh Tek

Ya know what? I didn't really see this until I loaded Megalauncher 4 (plug) But the display is backlight. There is no glare at the bottom of the screen when viewed from an angle but there are 6 individual lights that give the effect, oh well, isn't bad enough for me to worry about it. I could only put my display on my sj33 down to 1/4 before it was unviewable. The TG50 is down all the way and still as viewable as the sj33 was at 1/2.

So the TG-50 is backlit, what is that six individual lights for?

[Ricoh Tek]

they are the lights that light the screen. The are at the bottom of the LCD

[wilsonch_98]

Now i have learn....:D