VZ90 applications

[lmame]

Here are some V90 applications:

For media center:
Media Center (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/media.zip)
Codecs (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/codecsmedia.zip)

and see this thread for install:
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69398


Clie Files:
Clie Files (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/CLIEFiles.zip)

Netfront 3.1:
Netfront 3.1 (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/NetFront3.zip)

Picsel Viewer:
Picsel Viewer (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/PicselViewer.zip)

[lmame]

Ok, now some warnings on Media Launcher:
The media center works but only in 480x320 mode, so it will look ugly on TH55 for example adn rather fine on UX.

The Video player will be able to play MQV AND MP4 files (works on a french UX50), see this thread:
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69398


The audio player will be messy because it seems the audio skin is missing (I'll check that later).

If you tweak in the menus, the media center will be the default launcher, so , beware :)
See this thread to see how Mr Nako managed to handle it (Hi-launcher):
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?p=720648#post720648

[lmame]

Now Image converter 2 case...


Here is the "installation file":
Link removed...

It seems the installation works perfectly only on japanese OS and some files are missing on French or English OS...

So here is the copy of my Image Converter 2 directory "backup file":
Link removed...

Here is what I done to make it work on a french OS:
1°) install Image converter 2 via the "installation file" (it will fail, but that's ok),
2°) copy missing files from the "backup file",

Then it works on a french OS ;)


EDIT 2004/10/09:
Jackho has translated a large part of IC2 in English, here is the langage file (in the zip file) you have to put in directory "\Program Files\Sony\Image Converter 2\MovieConverter\Data\":
Lang.zip (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/Lang.zip)

[lmame]

Ok, here is a "how to" for Image Converter 2 (on a french OS so you got all little squares as it if were on an English OS) ;):

When you launch Image converter you see this:
Left tab lists the files you want to convert, right tab shows you the already converted files.
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_01.jpg

To add a file, just drag and drop it in the left tab, or add it:
You can add AVI, MPG, WMV, MOV files, and even DivX Avi with audio encoded in MP3
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_02.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_03.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_04.jpg

When you right click on a left tab file you can perform several things, I will only talk about the last letter in the menu:
S: Select
U: Unselect
V: View (launch Windows Media Player)
C: MP4 options (don't touch it for now)
D: Delete from list
P: Properties of the file
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_13.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_14.jpg


To encode in MP4, click on the MP4 convert options:
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_05.jpg

You have a combo where you can choose the quality level (the higher the better):
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_06.jpg

Then to convert selected files, click the "arrow" button, and here it goes:
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_07.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_08.jpg

When everything is finished:
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_09.jpg

If you right click on an encoded MP4 file on the right tab, you can do several things (I speak onlky of the last letter):
V: View file, try to launch the default media player, but normally you can only play MP4 files in Quicktime 6.
D: Delete file from hard disk
P: Properties
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_10.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_11.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_12.jpg


Other infos:
If it fails in the middle of the conversion, it is because the movie is corrupted...
Just try to click the arrow again, it should continuer from the last moment of the source file, but in another MP4 file.

If the encoding stops "you don't know why") then it is perhaps there is the limit of the file "on", go in this menu and uncheck the option:
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_15.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_16.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ic_17.jpg

[MicahDG]

Hi Imame! Thanks for posting these apps. If you don't mind letting us know before we (I) install them on my TH55, what are the version numbers for Clie Files and Picsel Viewer? Also, are Media Center and Media Launcher the same thing? Thanks!

[lmame]

Hi Imame! Thanks for posting these apps. If you don't mind letting us know before we (I) install them on my TH55, what are the version numbers for Clie Files and Picsel Viewer? Also, are Media Center and Media Launcher the same thing? Thanks!

Clie Files is 1.1.1
Picsel viewer is 1.0.13 (issue 525)
Netfront is: 3.1, revision 2.0.34

I guess Media Launcher and Media Center is the same thing, yes :)

[clie_wannabe]

To Imame:

You did get the VZ90? Wow!!!!

[lmame]

To Imame:

You did get the VZ90? Wow!!!!


Yep, I do have the "Brick" :p

[The Mad Dog]

Have got problems with the audio player. When I switch on it, I'll get the old UX50 audio player.

[lmame]

Have got problems with the audio player. When I switch on it, I'll get the old UX50 audio player.

Use Filez, search in RAM the program MediaLMusic, go on the details tab and uncheck the "hidden" property.
then an icon will appear so you can launch it properly...
But it should look quite ugly...

[ato]

IM2 only convert MP4 file,and if open programe have font display problem ,please use Microsoft AppLocale

[ato]

Clie Files and Picsel viewer version same as TH55

but TH55 netfront is 2.0.22

[222aaah]

Imame! I am having difficulties downloading your files. Timed-out. Is it just me ? or your site is down ?

[jackho]

I made English localization file for IC 2. Although still many places are in Japanese, but the main screen can display English instead of Japanese, but menus, messages still can't be changed.

Here is the url of language file (remember to right-click and choose "Save Target As"):
http://www.i-netserv.net/clie/Lang.dtd

Replace the original file in "\Program Files\Sony\Image Converter 2\MovieConverter\Data\" folder.

[lmame]

I made English localization file for IC 2. Although still many places are in Japanese, but the main screen can display English instead of Japanese, but menus, messages still can't be changed.

Here is the url of language file (remember to right-click and choose "Save Target As"):
http://www.i-netserv.net/clie/Lang.dtd

Replace the original file in "\Program Files\Sony\Image Converter 2\MovieConverter\Data\" folder.

Cool :D
It's working great ;)

[jackho]

I changed the dtd file to zip file as browser can't d/l dtd file directly.

http://www.i-netserv.net/clie/IC2Lang_EN.zip

BTW, if anyone want to full translation of Japanese on IC2, I can describe them here (not in program as it may have problems about copyright).

[The Mad Dog]

Use Filez, search in RAM the program MediaLMusic, go on the details tab and uncheck the "hidden" property.
then an icon will appear so you can launch it properly...
But it should look quite ugly...
When I unchec "hidden" the player does not appear. There is no icon

[lmame]

When I unchec "hidden" the player does not appear. There is no icon
It's working on my UX, I just checked again.
Beware, the icon is the same as "classic" Audio and Movie Player.

http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/vz_icons.jpg

[BUMP THAT]

Two Questions:

What is so different with Picsel Viewer besides the Background of the Intro?

What is so different about or new with the Netfront?

[lmame]

Two Questions:

What is so different with Picsel Viewer besides the Background of the Intro?

What is so different about or new with the Netfront?

It seems that Picsel viewer is the same as TH55 one...

The difference is with the UX version, two zoom icons (+ / -).

For Netfront 3.1, I haven't see the difference between the TH55 version and this version.

[JAmerican]

Thanks for the NEW Movie Player! and Image Convertor. I needed video converted from WMV for a project!!! I'm an truly grateful but the only thing that didn't work was the Lang.dtd. Can you put it in a zip and attach it to the forum?

[lmame]

Thanks for the NEW Movie Player! and Image Convertor. I needed video converted from WMV for a project!!! I'm an truly grateful but the only thing that didn't work was the Lang.dtd. Can you put it in a zip and attach it to the forum?

You got a zip link just a few post ahead ;)

[JAmerican]

I tried that and it didn't work. The ZIP opens and the file is present. When I place it in the correct folder as said in earlier posts, the program just open and a border would appear. Everything else is transparent. I put the Japanese one back and it works.

JAmerican

[lmame]

I tried that and it didn't work. The ZIP opens and the file is present. When I place it in the correct folder as said in earlier posts, the program just open and a border would appear. Everything else is transparent. I put the Japanese one back and it works.

JAmerican

Try this one:
Lang.zip (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/Lang.zip)

[jjesusfreak01]

Can anyone find out if its possible to play mp4 movies without loading the media center. Can you just load the codecs?

[lmame]

Can anyone find out if its possible to play mp4 movies without loading the media center. Can you just load the codecs?

You mean what, playing MP4 files with the "previous" version of Video Player?
Else try to have just the app MediaLMovie in RAM anf unchek the hidden property with Filez.

[JAmerican]

Try this one:
Lang.zip (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/Lang.zip)

Your the best!! Thanks!! :) :D Thanks for your contribution. Is there any way to take the status bar skin from the VZ device and put it on the UX device? I think the all black theme looks cool.

JAmerican

[jjesusfreak01]

Everyone seen cliepets hacks? When is he going to post them on the site?

[CliePet]

> Everyone seen cliepets hacks?
Everyone I know who owns a VZ90 has it already ;->
(ie. myself and lmame)

If you have a VZ90 and want to try it out, send me an email.
The current hack is rather crude - but it gives you total control - it disables all the automatic orientation switching and makes you do the orientation switching yourself.

It does not work on any other PDAs. Just like the T3, there are hooks throughout the different levels of the system to get this to work. In this case a VZ specific feature

[lmame]

> Everyone seen cliepets hacks?
Everyone I know who owns a VZ90 has it already ;->
(ie. myself and lmame)

If you have a VZ90 and want to try it out, send me an email.
The current hack is rather crude - but it gives you total control - it disables all the automatic orientation switching and makes you do the orientation switching yourself.

It does not work on any other PDAs. Just like the T3, there are hooks throughout the different levels of the system to get this to work. In this case a VZ specific feature

I confirm:
1°) the hack exists,
2°) it works on VZ,
3°) it does not work on UX,

[lmame]

Some pictures:
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/scr_hack_02.jpg
http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/scr_hack_01.jpg

[jjesusfreak01]

I think we need to add some hooks to the TH-55 so that it can do this cool stuff.

[222aaah]

Ok. I done a bit of research about IC2.0. Conversion is a bit faster, but not much. About 20-40% faster. Files size are equal. At least when I converted Anime series files sizes of MQV and MP4 where different by 20-50 kb. Quality looks the same for me.
But best thing about 2.0 comparing to IC1.1 - it was able to convert all DivX and Xvid that I had with MP3 sound without any problems. No more stupid middle-step conversions. Thats very good.

Concerning new Audioplayer - looks crappy and slow on UX. And still don't play VBR. As I was expecting. Imame! Can you post all files in VZ rom ? May be I will dig that missing Audioplayer skin there ?

Photos app - is not showing a thing on UX. don't know why. :(

And Netfront - anyone had noticed any real difference with TH's version ? Is it faster ? Seems to me - it is almost the same.

[lmame]

Ok. I done a bit of research about IC2.0. Conversion is a bit faster, but not much. About 20-40% faster. Files size are equal. At least when I converted Anime series files sizes of MQV and MP4 where different by 20-50 kb. Quality looks the same for me.
But best thing about 2.0 comparing to IC1.1 - it was able to convert all DivX and Xvid that I had with MP3 sound without any problems. No more stupid middle-step conversions. Thats very good.

Concerning new Audioplayer - looks crappy and slow on UX. And still don't play VBR. As I was expecting. Imame! Can you post all files in VZ rom ? May be I will dig that missing Audioplayer skin there ?

Photos app - is not showing a thing on UX. don't know why. :(

And Netfront - anyone had noticed any real difference with TH's version ? Is it faster ? Seems to me - it is almost the same.

20% to 40% faster, is a great achievement especially when quality is the same...
Strange that you find size is the same, sometimes I find a great difference :eek:

For Audioplayer, if I give you the skin, it will force to do a hard reset of your UX... I tried as I have a UX and it does not do any good...

For Netfront, I can't see any differences too :D

For the ROM, I don't know if I can put it here, I wait for an admin / moderator advice...

[don't panic]

Hi,
runs DateBk5 from pimlico on a VZ 90?
And the other programs I run on my TH-55 (i.e. ShadowPlan, Bonsai, SuperNames)?
Anyone?

excuse my bad english!

LLAP, Joachim

[lmame]

Hi,
runs DateBk5 from pimlico on a VZ 90?
And the other programs I run on my TH-55 (i.e. ShadowPlan, Bonsai, SuperNames)?
Anyone?

excuse my bad english!

LLAP, Joachim

There is no reason why it won't work, it seems everything works on VZ, like on UX in paysage mode.

[CliePet]

re: IC2
Not perfect, but it appears to handle more input formats.

The resulting sizes of the MP4 will be very similar to the MQV/MOV files (with similar settings). Unless the images in the movie are simple, the file size will be constrained by the video+audio maximum compression rate (eg: 384kbps video + 128kbps audio)

---
> Concerning new Audioplayer...And still don't play VBR. As I was expecting.
The VZ90 has the same limitation (ie. CBR only). That's because of the code written for the DSP.
FWIW: installing the new media center is not really worth it IMHO, and the AudioPlayer least of all.

re: posting all files from ROM
There is already a lot of stuff posted extracted from the VZ90 ROM / CD. This is all copyrighted software of course, and falls into a grey area of piracy if used by people for their older models of CLIE.
In my personal opinion, posting the entire ROM would be crossing over the line.

Also IMHO, posting more files extracted from the ROM will cause more problems than it is worth, and waste people's time. (ie. VBR MP3s not supported period)

[lmame]

For IC2:
The maximum video is 768 kb/s isn't it?

[Eddy]

thanks for posting these great files up here!
Can't wait to try it out.. :D

[CliePet]

> For IC2:
> The maximum video is 768 kb/s isn't it?

IC2 will convert to other formats (change the registry entries). The VZ90 is limited to 768kbs

BTW: I tried 1024kbps and 1536kbps and IC2 converted them fine, they played on the PC (looked great) but failed to play on the VZ90.

For the VZ90:
anything over 768kbps gives an error when starting a movie [not sure what the error message says]
768kbps video (480x320 @ 30fps) is too much for the VZ90 to handle [tries to play it but gets jammed trying the higher frame rate]

768kbps video (480x320 @ 15fps) is good and what I recommend for full screen video
768kbps video (320x240 @ 30fps) scaled by CLIE 4/3 is what I recommend if you need 30fps [ie. the official compression option]

[Eddy]

very nice, I really like the new look of MediaCenter.
& like you mentioned, the MediaPlayer for Music really gets distorted, are there any fixes so that it would display properly on UX50?

Thanks again Imame.

[lmame]

> For IC2:
> The maximum video is 768 kb/s isn't it?

IC2 will convert to other formats (change the registry entries). The VZ90 is limited to 768kbs

BTW: I tried 1024kbps and 1536kbps and IC2 converted them fine, they played on the PC (looked great) but failed to play on the VZ90.

For the VZ90:
anything over 768kbps gives an error when starting a movie [not sure what the error message says]
768kbps video (480x320 @ 30fps) is too much for the VZ90 to handle [tries to play it but gets jammed trying the higher frame rate]

768kbps video (480x320 @ 15fps) is good and what I recommend for full screen video
768kbps video (320x240 @ 30fps) scaled by CLIE 4/3 is what I recommend if you need 30fps [ie. the official compression option]

Yes ;)

And if you want to do something "in the middle" for 480x320 mode, you can try that:
480x320, video 768kbps, audio 128 kbps, framerate 19,98 fps.
It is smoother than 15 fps and it does not freeze...

[lmame]

very nice, I really like the new look of MediaCenter.
& like you mentioned, the MediaPlayer for Music really gets distorted, are there any fixes so that it would display properly on UX50?

Thanks again Imame.

I tried to put the Audio player skin in the UX, but then I had to do a hard reset just after, so I guess it does not work...
Anyway, it is really really slow, as hell, even deformed, so perhaps they changed something more "deep" for the audio part...

[meir87]

I made English localization file for IC 2. Although still many places are in Japanese, but the main screen can display English instead of Japanese, but menus, messages still can't be changed.

Here is the url of language file (remember to right-click and choose "Save Target As"):
http://www.i-netserv.net/clie/Lang.dtd

Replace the original file in "\Program Files\Sony\Image Converter 2\MovieConverter\Data\" folder.
Can the Lang.dtd found under C:\Program Files\Sony\Image Converter 2\Data_Image also be translated?

[LJD4]

I tried to put the Audio player skin in the UX, but then I had to do a hard reset just after, so I guess it does not work...
Anyway, it is really really slow, as hell, even deformed, so perhaps they changed something more "deep" for the audio part...

I used FileZ to change the Version ID of the MediaLMusicSkin to 31, which was the same as the original UX AudioPlayer skin. It works now, but the UX cannot handle the visualization graphics beside the track's time so I disabled them by pressing the button beside the scrolling title

[lmame]

I used FileZ to change the Version ID of the MediaLMusicSkin to 31, which was the same as the original UX AudioPlayer skin. It works now, but the UX cannot handle the visualization graphics beside the track's time so I disabled them by pressing the button beside the scrolling title

Good trick :D

[Entil'Zha]

Will netfront work on the Tungsten|C?

[louiscorpio]

Ok, now some warnings on Media Launcher:
The media center works but only in 480x320 mode, so it will look ugly on TH55 for example adn rather fine on UX.

The Video player will be able to play MQV AND MP4 files (works on a french UX50), see this thread:
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69398


The audio player will be messy because it seems the audio skin is missing (I'll check that later).

If you tweak in the menus, the media center will be the default launcher, so , beware :)
See this thread to see how Mr Nako managed to handle it (Hi-launcher):
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?p=720648#post720648

hi! i would like to find out If IC 2 is able to convert video to *.MQV format that is able to be played in NX80(video player)? I tried installing the new mp4 player but it can't run...

[lmame]

hi! i would like to find out If IC 2 is able to convert video to *.MQV format that is able to be played in NX80(video player)? I tried installing the new mp4 player but it can't run...

IC2 only encodes in MP4...

[SonyStyle]

i have a question, why does it always stop converting when you only have around 11MB of space on the MS? is there a way to prevent it to stop when it gets to 11MB?

[SonyStyle]

20% to 40% faster, is a great achievement especially when quality is the same...
Strange that you find size is the same, sometimes I find a great difference :eek:

For Audioplayer, if I give you the skin, it will force to do a hard reset of your UX... I tried as I have a UX and it does not do any good...

For Netfront, I can't see any differences too :D

For the ROM, I don't know if I can put it here, I wait for an admin / moderator advice...

i find there's a huge difference in file size like 20MB more but quality is like the same

[MicahDG]

i have a question, why does it always stop converting when you only have around 11MB of space on the MS? is there a way to prevent it to stop when it gets to 11MB?

I don't know how to avoid that error, but you might consider converting the video to your hard drive, then moving it to the memorystick.

[lmame]

I don't know how to avoid that error, but you might consider converting the video to your hard drive, then moving it to the memorystick.


Same thing here... :)

[Joan]

I confirm:
1°) the hack exists,
2°) it works on VZ,
3°) it does not work on UX,

If you send me the files (hack) i will try in my TH55.
Thanks

[jackho]

Can the Lang.dtd found under C:\Program Files\Sony\Image Converter 2\Data_Image also be translated?

I checked that language file, but it seems to be SonicStage Master Studio related (for sound recording), I can't find such parts will be displayed on IC 2. I think it is a mistake for placing in IC2 package.

[lmame]

If you send me the files (hack) i will try in my TH55.
Thanks

It does not work on TH :)
Anyway, ask CliePet, not me ;)

[xMist]

Yeah, I'm also wondering if the VZ90 NetFront will work on the T|C...anyone tried it yet?? I will as soon as I can...

[CliePet]

> i find there's a huge difference in file size like 20MB more but quality is like the same
I believe this is discussing IC1 v. IC2 output (covered in my 'Day 2' report as well)

With the same bit rates the file sizes *should* be the same, assuming you have a regular movie to convert (not blank or undersized movies)
The two converters are different, so they get different results (the MP4 encoder is newer, and I would hope better) but the upper encoding limit(eg: 384kbps) should decide the file size (give or take a few percent).

If you have an example of two similarly encoded files (one .MQV, one .MP4) please run QuickTime and post the information on the Video/Audio size, frame rate and data size (Ctrl-J)

----
re: TH55 compatibility
> If you send me the files (hack) i will try in my TH55.

The video codecs work great on the TH55 (see the first page of this thread)
The FullMoviePlayer also works on the TH55 (showing videos rotated the way you would expect - this is switchable)

The RotVZ hack to rotate other apps *only* works on the VZ90.

[Joan]

Sorry lmame !!!!!!!! ;)

Thank U Cliepet.

[222aaah]

With the same bit rates the file sizes *should* be the same, assuming you have a regular movie to convert (not blank or undersized movies)
The two converters are different, so they get different results (the MP4 encoder is newer, and I would hope better) but the upper encoding limit(eg: 384kbps) should decide the file size (give or take a few percent).



Agree with CliePet. In theory file sizes should be the same. Because it is CBR both Video and Audio.

Concerning MP4 is newer than QT - this is questionable. MP4 is just a container, codecs inside can differ. If we will look at the content of Clie mp4 file - we will see "MP42". According to FourCC - MP42 - Microsoft MP4 codec 2nd revision. Not the best codec around, but not the worst one either.
It was hacked and evolved to DivX and later to Xvid.
So basically it is 2 steps down Xvid :) .

So in theory - latest QT video codecs might be newer than that one.

I will try to make Clie playable MP4 video using 3rd party tools to prove this idea.

[CliePet]

> Concerning MP4 is newer than QT - this is questionable.
That was my hope. I haven't seen any noticable difference, but I'm using high-bit rate files (improvements should may kick in on lower bit rates where more compression is needed)

The old QT is MPEG4 Elementary stream only (used by IC1) which is all CLIE will handle. The latest QuickTime codecs running on a PC/Mac supports the old style as well as newer MPEG4 improvements.

The actual encoding process (and quality) varies depending on the implementation of the encoder (eg: IC1 uses QuickTime components, IC2 appears to use its own).
[ie. hmm, quality or royalties ?]
---
If you find a way of creating CLIE playable MP4s with other tools, please post the details [eg: QuickTime Pro or other tools]. I tried earlier to create compatible M4A files, but the CLIE playback was too picky for anything else to work (with my limited testing)

[lmame]

The great difference is on encoding times, IC2 is faster than IC1.1 ...
But that's true that the quality is nearly the same...

[afon]

hi, could you tell that which verison of WA Clock the VZ90 uses?
would you mind sharing this verison?
thx in advance.

[lmame]

hi, could you tell that which verison of WA Clock the VZ90 uses?
would you mind sharing this verison?
thx in advance.

Well it seems WA Clock is not with VZ anymore.

[afon]

thx for your reply.
well, i was told that there is the version of 1.15, have you tested it?

[MrNako]

Well it seems WA Clock is not with VZ anymore.

lmame, does the VZ has polyphonic alarms? does it have any new pcm alarms you could share?

Is it possible to extract the file that has all the themes in the prefs app? Because using khroma or a similar app doesnt work after using NetFront or other programs in my TH :(

[afon]

i've translated the chinese version of the Lang.dtd. pls enjoy it.
http://www.palmstamp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=404650#404650

[dontikun]

I'd like to try the RotVZ and could you please send it to me?

[Sergeui]

Can anybody run this program (http://homepage.mac.com/alvinmok/id-plate/) on VZ90, and write here the device ID* it prints?

[lmame]

H0V10UCD65GY-7
Palm OS: 5.2.1f0
Processor: Unknown
ROM Size: 23424 K
RAM Size: 26730 / 48552 K
Misc Flags: $00000000, $00000903
Company ID: sony
Device ID: ancy
HAL ID: ancy
IrDA Lib: 3.0.1f0
SMS Lib: n/a
BT Lib: n/a
Maker: Sony Corp.
Model: PEG-VZ90
Ship: jpJP
OS: Palm OS(R) 5.2.1
CPU: Sony CXD2230AGA
Encoding: MS JIS (CP932)
Codename: 3010
Version: A-35.00

[Serguei]

Thanks a lot!
I think at least some developers would find this info valuable.

[Tixx]

but TH55 netfront is 2.0.22
This is the version I am using on my NX70. Can I use the Netfront is: 3.1, revision 2.0.34 download from the iinitial post in this thead? :confused:


EDIT: From reading more I see there is not a noticable difference so I guess it does not matter.:)

[kisuo]

http://php.chol.com/~kisuo/bbs/data/data/MQV_on_Kinoma_for_All_Device.zip

I'm playing MQVs on normal non-clie palm device with this.
I've modifed some on Kinoma bundled for TJ37.

Seems FMP need sony based library - Silk and MM library.
Will it be hard to play them without sony based library?

Hoping playing it not only on Clie.

[CliePet]

>... Seems FMP need sony based library - Silk and MM library.
Correct. FMP is doing none of the video decoding itself - that's built into the CLIE system software.
FMP only works on the higher-end CLIEs with the Multi-Media subsystem (those that have AudioPlayer and MoviePlayer - NX/NZ/TH/UX/VZ)

100% legal because you have all the important codecs already
[grey area of piracy if you copy over codecs from another device - but that's optional]
---
Kinoma is an alternative if you like it.
Kinoma has written the software to run on a generic PDA. It is a commercial product. It doesn't use the CLIE system services. The player is free, but the producer for converting movies is not (that's where they make their money)

I don't know where the Kinoma MQV codecs are coming from - whether completely legal or another 'grey area' of piracy.

FWIW: I don't like Kinoma because it is a CPU hog (but I haven't tested it in a while). I would hope that MoviePlayer/FMP would give longer play times.

[SonyStyle]

how do i encode in regular MPEG instead of MPEG4?

[lmame]

how do i encode in regular MPEG instead of MPEG4?

You can use TPMGEnc.

[SonyStyle]

i meant how do you convert it using image converter 2 because image converter 2 only converts to mpeg4, is there a place where you can change the setting to MPEG in IC2?

[lmame]

i meant how do you convert it using image converter 2 because image converter 2 only converts to mpeg4, is there a place where you can change the setting to MPEG in IC2?

You can't use IC2 for that.

[seamonkey]

thanks!!!!!!

[NTHeudner]

Hi,

I noticed some others had the same problem. I downloaded IC2 but when i tried to install it I got an empty information box and then the installation stopped. Running winxp sp2 if that makes any difference

i am curious to compare ic2, ic1.5 and kinoma 3. - as an aside .mqvs played in kinoma 3 ex player tend to stutter a bit, and .mp4's converted with kinoma 3 ex in 480x320 30 fps stutter horribly. To bring things back a little bit on topic what is best quality ux50 can handle without being choppy if movies are converted using ic2? ie can they handle that 30fps 768 super high quality mode? (notwithstanding space constraints)

thanks

[MicahDG]

I may be wrong, but you may need a clie drivers disc inserted into your cdrom in order to isntall IC2. At least, that is a requirement for IC1.5.

[CliePet]

> ... ic2 won't install

Check the THIRD post on this thread. The installer does not work on English Windows.
You need to run setup and then unzip the missing files provided. Thanks to Imame

> ...using ic2? ie can they handle that 30fps 768 super high quality mode?
Yes. 30fps 320x240 easy, or 480x320 ~20 fps

See my "Day 2" report for movie encoding options: http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70005

The VZ90, UX50 and TH55 (with bit rate limitation removed) are similarly capable for 768kbps video.

[Yeahman]

> For IC2:
> The maximum video is 768 kb/s isn't it?

IC2 will convert to other formats (change the registry entries). The VZ90 is limited to 768kbs

BTW: I tried 1024kbps and 1536kbps and IC2 converted them fine, they played on the PC (looked great) but failed to play on the VZ90.

For the VZ90:
anything over 768kbps gives an error when starting a movie [not sure what the error message says]
768kbps video (480x320 @ 30fps) is too much for the VZ90 to handle [tries to play it but gets jammed trying the higher frame rate]

768kbps video (480x320 @ 15fps) is good and what I recommend for full screen video
768kbps video (320x240 @ 30fps) scaled by CLIE 4/3 is what I recommend if you need 30fps [ie. the official compression option]


I use IC2 to convert videos for my PSP. How do I set the bitrate at 1024 or higher ?

[Happy Man]

Hi there,

Where do you store those video files for your PSP? I would like to see some video on my PSP, but I really don't have a clue where to put the file. Thank you!

[CliePet]

> I use IC2 to convert videos for my PSP. How do I set the bitrate at 1024 or higher ?

This was mentioned on the other thread. Change the "SH_VIDEO" value to 1024.
As mentioned, IC2 will create them, but won't play on the VZ90.

However that is a waste of space for a 320x240 screen.
IMHO: 768kbps is excellent (and somewhat overkill) for 30fps movies at 320x240. That's the highest default for IC2. Plays great on a CLIE (with scaling).

BTW: I was interested in higher bit rates to fill the 480x320 screen (no scaling)

[TriOptimum]

To play them on the PSP, you must make a directory on the root of the memory card called MP_ROOT , then create a subfolder called 100MNV01 - then name each file in the format m4vVXXXX.mp4 , where X's are numbers (ex m4v00001.mp4). Then it will play.

The version on IC2 psoted here is not the same as the one for sale by Sony, which has PSP specific formats and options. I can't figure out how to buy it, not being able to read much kanji, and the site won't let you register if oyur outside Japan ><. Anyone know how/where to get it? Here is the sonyStyle (Jap) website:

http://www.jp.sonystyle.com/Nws/Software_dl/Pc/Software/Haa/2105710294200.html

[TriOptimum]

Wait... maybe it is the same version. I'm not sure anymore, but I remember hearing this one was 'beta 3' and just came out on the 16th or so; all I know is that the IC2 here won't encode in widescreen or in optimized bitrates for the PSP... is there any way to encode widescreen aspect movies into widescreen mp4 videos using this version? And what settings would be best for the PSP (since it has a lower resolution screen, does a higher resolution video file make any diference at all?)

Thanks people :).

[happy man]

Ok, great, it works! Thank you!

[lmame]

Wait... maybe it is the same version. I'm not sure anymore, but I remember hearing this one was 'beta 3' and just came out on the 16th or so; all I know is that the IC2 here won't encode in widescreen or in optimized bitrates for the PSP... is there any way to encode widescreen aspect movies into widescreen mp4 videos using this version? And what settings would be best for the PSP (since it has a lower resolution screen, does a higher resolution video file make any diference at all?)

Thanks people :).

IC2 version of the VZ90 works great for Psp :)
For the widescreen version you can zoom with the Psp, but if you want to encode widescreen, just change the values in IC2 registry...

[JAmerican]

What OS does the Sony PSP have?

[meir87]

It's a proprietary OS (PSP=PlayStation Portable).

[JAmerican]

I know what PSP means just didn't know that the OS is named after the device itself. Thanks

JAmerican

[TriOptimum]

IC2 version of the VZ90 works great for Psp :)
For the widescreen version you can zoom with the Psp, but if you want to encode widescreen, just change the values in IC2 registry...

I'm sorry, I honestly have no idea what to change :P. I see the values you talking about, but change them to what (for the PSP), and how? Do I just change the number in parenthesis, or do I need to change the binary number or whatever that long number is to the left of it as well (if so, how)?

Are htere any options on sound quality? The quality is only average on mine, and the original video sounds perfect (as do mp3's on the PSP). I can live with it, but I was just wondering.

Heh, didn't know there was a zoom in there yet, I'll have to check it out.

Thanks again for all your guys' help on this forum and for the program in the first place, not to mention in English :).

[TriOptimum]

I know what PSP means just didn't know that the OS is named after the device itself. Thanks

JAmerican

What he meant was, the OS is only used by the PSP, and like the PS2 and Xbox's OS', it's proprietary. The interface is called XMB - cross media bar - (like the PSX in Japan, the $1k unit that was a hybrid PS2 and DVR, it had a nearly identical interface (based around media playback and games) called XMB.

http://psp.ign.com/articles/549/549972p1.html

[lmame]

I'm sorry, I honestly have no idea what to change :P. I see the values you talking about, but change them to what (for the PSP), and how? Do I just change the number in parenthesis, or do I need to change the binary number or whatever that long number is to the left of it as well (if so, how)?

Are htere any options on sound quality? The quality is only average on mine, and the original video sounds perfect (as do mp3's on the PSP). I can live with it, but I was just wondering.

Heh, didn't know there was a zoom in there yet, I'll have to check it out.

Thanks again for all your guys' help on this forum and for the program in the first place, not to mention in English :).

See directly in the registry if you can change the size (320 for width and 240 for height) by other values. ;)
For the zoom while seeing movie, press the triangle and go to the "Screen mode" OSD icon.
By pressing circle you toogle from different views :)

[TriOptimum]

See directly in the registry if you can change the size (320 for width and 240 for height) by other values. ;)
For the zoom while seeing movie, press the triangle and go to the "Screen mode" OSD icon.
By pressing circle you toogle from different views :)

Hmm... it got mroe complicated when I looked at it the second time. Ther'es High_high, Lo_hight, No_hight, Sh_height, which ones (height and width) do I change? Or are those for the different bitrates, so I should change all of them?

Also, they are already set at height 240 width 320 - what should I change them to for the widescreen on the PSP?

[lmame]

Hmm... it got mroe complicated when I looked at it the second time. Ther'es High_high, Lo_hight, No_hight, Sh_height, which ones (height and width) do I change? Or are those for the different bitrates, so I should change all of them?

Also, they are already set at height 240 width 320 - what should I change them to for the widescreen on the PSP?

Take one set Lo_XXXX for example (height, video, audio, width), it corresponds to to low quality in IC2...
So change those settings in registry (Lo_XXX) and when you will encode using low setting in IC2 you will apply your settings in fact...

[Unregiste99]

Does someone know how to play Atrac-3 files on the PSP? I've converted MP3 files to Atrac-3 (*.oma) but my PSP doesn't recognize them! Thanks

[Yeahman]

Did you try to put your ATRAC 3+ files in the /PSP/MUSIC folder of the MS ?

[lmame]

Did you try to put your ATRAC 3+ files in the /PSP/MUSIC folder of the MS ?

I don't think if you can "simply" copy protected files on an ATRAC device...
You got to encode it directly on the Psp via Sonicstage I guess...

[Yeahman]

I don't know how ATRAC 3 works ... and I don't like those kinds of formats ... :)

[Unregist99]

Thank you all for your answers. Yes, I put the songs into the psp/music file... But it didn't work. I don't think it's because of the protected Atrac3, because these atrac3 files are converted from MP3 to Atrac3 by my one, so there is no protection (I think/hope :)

I tried to copy them from SonicStage directly to my PSP, but SonicStage didn't recognize my PSP... :s

The reason I would like to use Atrac3 is because of the size. I think the quality/compression proportion of Atrac3 is better than MP3... Correct me if I'm wrong... :)

[lmame]

Thank you all for your answers. Yes, I put the songs into the psp/music file... But it didn't work. I don't think it's because of the protected Atrac3, because these atrac3 files are converted from MP3 to Atrac3 by my one, so there is no protection (I think/hope :)

I tried to copy them from SonicStage directly to my PSP, but SonicStage didn't recognize my PSP... :s

The reason I would like to use Atrac3 is because of the size. I think the quality/compression proportion of Atrac3 is better than MP3... Correct me if I'm wrong... :)

If you convert it via Sonicstage, you can only transfer them a limited number of times, and with Sonicstage only (my experience)...
If you encode in Atrac, it IS protected.
You must also have a MS duo magic gate (it should be the case).
When you connect the Psp, are you in the USB mode in the Psp?
In this case, when you are in Sonic Stage, just say it you want to transfer a file to A memory stick system, perhaps it would work...
I'll try with mine and come back here.

[TriOptimum]

Yeah, you have to use sonicstage to transfer it, because it won't playback on the device without a key being written for the device itself on the atrac file (copy protection) and you need to use the magicgate memory sticks. Or you can find an alternative atrac encoder out there that does it without copy protection, they do exist (though I don't know if the PSP will play them back), but why bother? Mp3 sounds much better and is virtually the same size (atrac is slgihtly smaller, but only because it takes allot of the sound out, IMO), and your files are already in mp3 format.

As for video encoding, check this article out, it has a free program that has many more options for encoding (particularly audio options), is completely english, completely free, and faster to encode for me at least:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000980024404/

*sigh* I wish it woudl jsut playback divx files, but at least this isn't very hard to convert them ^_^.

[lmame]

Yeah, you have to use sonicstage to transfer it, because it won't playback on the device without a key being written for the device itself on the atrac file (copy protection) and you need to use the magicgate memory sticks. Or you can find an alternative atrac encoder out there that does it without copy protection, they do exist (though I don't know if the PSP will play them back), but why bother? Mp3 sounds much better and is virtually the same size (atrac is slgihtly smaller, but only because it takes allot of the sound out, IMO), and your files are already in mp3 format.

As for video encoding, check this article out, it has a free program that has many more options for encoding (particularly audio options), is completely english, completely free, and faster to encode for me at least:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000980024404/

*sigh* I wish it woudl jsut playback divx files, but at least this isn't very hard to convert them ^_^.

Thanks for the turorial ;)

More information on the software here:
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75447&page=3

[tovarish]

hi

is it possible for some of our japanese friends to convert the netfront menus and options to english.

thanks,
tovarish

[lmame]

hi

is it possible for some of our japanese friends to convert the netfront menus and options to english.

thanks,
tovarish

It is just the same version as the TH55 one... So grab the TH55's Netfront, it'll go faster ;)

[JAmerican]

hi

is it possible for some of our japanese friends to convert the netfront menus and options to english.

thanks,
tovarish

I'm translating NetFront Rev 2.0.35, which is different than the TH55 version. The TH55 version doesn't support the hardware ENTER button of the UX when typing. I'm almost done translating the VZ NetFront.

Look here to stay updated...
http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76876

JAmerican

[10spro]

I am a newbie. Can you further explain how to DL the IC2 for an English OS. the original file failed as you mentioned, which of the xtra files need to be added to the original IC2 installation file? Merci!


Here is the "installation file":
Image Converter 2 (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ImageConverter2.zip)

It seems the installation works perfectly only on japanese OS and some files are missing on French or English OS...

So here is the copy of my Image Converter 2 directory "backup file":
Image Converter 2 backup (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/ImageConverter2installed.zip)

Here is what I done to make it work on a french OS:
1°) install Image converter 2 via the "installation file" (it will fail, but that's ok),
2°) copy missing files from the "backup file",

Then it works on a french OS ;)


EDIT 2004/10/09:
Jackho has translated a large part of IC2 in English, here is the langage file (in the zip file) you have to put in directory "\Program Files\Sony\Image Converter 2\MovieConverter\Data\":
Lang.zip (http://www.lmame-bug.com/vz/Lang.zip)[/QUOTE]

[lmame]

It's simple, see what files are missing and simply copy them :)

[bakavirus]

hey imame, I'm sure your a regular poster in akiba soroban geeks forum?

[lmame]

hey imame, I'm sure your a regular poster in akiba soroban geeks forum?

Sometimes, yes ;)

[Eric Carmichael]

Thanks for all the image Converter stuff, i live in Japan and have had a psp for a while but couldn;t figure out the japanese site. i owe ya one

[radarsat]

I've used without any problems this IC2 for converting movie files to MP4. The problem I have is viewing them in PSP. It just doesn't see the movie file in my Mem Stick Duo ??? I've put them under this PSP folder structure: /PSP/PHOTO

[lmame]

I've used without any problems this IC2 for converting movie files to MP4. The problem I have is viewing them in PSP. It just doesn't see the movie file in my Mem Stick Duo ??? I've put them under this PSP folder structure: /PSP/PHOTO

You should try in this directory:
MP_ROOT/100MNV01
it works, see the manual, I guess there is another directory for psp...
You should name files too, like this for example: M4V10000.mp4

[Unregister22]

The link to download IC2 is not working,

[lmame]

The link to download IC2 is not working,

I just checked them, they work.

[The Mad Dog]

now there is the PSP in the USA, can SOMEONE post the complete installer of the Image Converter 2 here or send it to me by mail? (andreasmodrey[at]gmail.com)
I wanna Use the VZ90 for some great Animes :)

[JJF01]

now there is the PSP in the USA, can SOMEONE post the complete installer of the Image Converter 2 here or send it to me by mail? (andreasmodrey[at]gmail.com)
I wanna Use the VZ90 for some great Animes :)
The english native one is for sale (not given away), so its a bit more piracy than if you use the Japanese version.

[nubstyle]

It worked really well thanks to your help. But i wish it could be english. Is there any way to make it so I can read it normaly?

[Dark-DAnte]

hey ok i have converted my files to mp4 format from the Ic2, now how do you take those files and put them on to the psp

[jjesusfreak01]

It worked really well thanks to your help. But i wish it could be english. Is there any way to make it so I can read it normaly?
You just want it to be flawless, because it makes you "feel" better. As it is, it works perfectly, and I for one have no problems understanding how to use the Japanese version.

[Dark-DAnte]

-To play them on the PSP, you must make a directory on the root of the memory card called MP_ROOT , then create a subfolder called 100MNV01 - then name each file in the format m4vVXXXX.mp4 , where X's are numbers (ex m4v00001.mp4). Then it will play.-

this does not work, i tried to put a fold named MP_ROOT on the PSP and created the other one a placed the file in it and when i disconnected i lost the memory meaning it was on the stick but i could not access it through the video options so what must i do to play the movie(s) on the psp?

[!whip]

-To play them on the PSP, you must make a directory on the root of the memory card called MP_ROOT , then create a subfolder called 100MNV01 - then name each file in the format m4vVXXXX.mp4 , where X's are numbers (ex m4v00001.mp4). Then it will play.-

this does not work, i tried to put a fold named MP_ROOT on the PSP and created the other one a placed the file in it and when i disconnected i lost the memory meaning it was on the stick but i could not access it through the video options so what must i do to play the movie(s) on the psp?

A Good "HowTO" is here: http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000980024404/
If you connect your PSP before starting the converter, the Prog. does all by itself: Creating the Directory and Subdir. Copy's the films into it, names it correct and creates a Preview-Pic (*.thm)
greetz

[evilbanana]

Hi can VZ media software run MP4 content without conversion from Picture Converter 2?????

[lmame]

Hi can VZ media software run MP4 content without conversion from Picture Converter 2?????

You can also create MP4 content with ffmpeg and xvid codec, you'll find some threads in UX and Video section...

[4shizzle]

im in california & just bought a psp. im not too cpu saavy. I need lots of help getting my psp to play movies downloaded on my cpu. can somebody run down start-to-finish how this should b done?

[ChInKsTa ToM]

hi i followed every step of that walkthrough thing but when i tried to press the arrow to convert it, it grays out and it wont work

[Some One]

Wat the ****. istnt there just like one download program, or do u like making it hard?!?

[Some One]

Wat the fu*k. istnt there just like one download program, or do u like making it hard?!?

[jjesusfreak01]

For the PSP, use IC2. You have to have the size set to 240 by 320, or smaller.

[PsP Own3r]

Downloaded and installed IC2, copied the files like described, but when I go to add files to the list to convert and click the 'ok' button, I get the windows error message, ImageConverter2.exe has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience. Any ideas what I can do to fix it?

[CliePet]

NOTE: The English version of Image Converter is now available for sale (in the USA at least)
It is cheap ($20), and works much better than the Japanese version (with or without patches). The user interface is fully English. Easy single step installation (from CDROM). Crashes less. Doesn't keep a background process running after you exit.
Best of all it is legal !

http://www.memorystick.com/en/lifestyle/psp/en_us/links/link_psp_us-imageconverter2.html
http://www.memorystick.com/psp (for non US folks)

----
Don't want to get into a big debate here, but the Japanese version is a pirated copy of a commercial software program (unless you got it with your Japanese VZ90 PDA)
The past rationalization that it was the only way to get it is no longer valid.
If you use the software, please pay for it. That may also convince Sony to improve it (*wishful thinking*)

If you don't want to pay $20, please use the legal (open source) free alternatives like ffmpeg.

[lmame]

I had a "bad" surprise... It seems someone linked the Image Converter 2 I put here on his website...
thanks to this jerk, the bandwitch limit of my website has exploded, and badly, I have to pay a really nice amount of money...

So, I'm sorry, but I removed the link to the Image Converter 2 files, but I let the other files on my website...

As said CliePet, and I agree with him, there are now good options to create MP4 files, so it shouldn't be a problem ;)

[Dark-DAnte]

hey Imame can you please gimme the linklt o the converter becuase it wont run unless i clikc on the link and i press the open button i dont care about the risks and that for it i jsut need it cuz i have to use it for my work so can you please post or or can you send it to my email at aplok3@hotmail.com

[lmame]

hey Imame can you please gimme the linklt o the converter becuase it wont run unless i clikc on the link and i press the open button i dont care about the risks and that for it i jsut need it cuz i have to use it for my work so can you please post or or can you send it to my email at aplok3@hotmail.com

Sorry, I removed it from my website.
You got plenty of alternative now, There is a link to Image Converter 2.1 somewhere in 1Src forum, search for it...

[titilol]

Now Image converter 2 case...


Here is the "installation file":
Link removed...

It seems the installation works perfectly only on japanese OS and some files are missing on French or English OS...

So here is the copy of my Image Converter 2 directory "backup file":
Link removed...

Here is what I done to make it work on a french OS:
1°) install Image converter 2 via the "installation file" (it will fail, but that's ok),
2°) copy missing files from the "backup file",

Then it works on a french OS ;)


EDIT 2004/10/09:
Jackho has translated a large part of IC2 in English, here is the langage file (in the zip file) you have to put in directory "\Program Files\Sony\Image Converter 2\MovieConverter\Data\":
Link removed...
hi Imeme,

do you know where can i find image converter 2, i'm looking for please help me

thanks

[lmame]

hi Imeme,

do you know where can i find image converter 2, i'm looking for please help me

thanks

There is a post on the UX or Video part of the forum on Image Converter 2.1 but...
Honnestly, use ffmpeg and a good GUI (Pspvideo9, ClieMP4Converter (http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83800) )...

[other/v-90 hack]

is it just me or I'm too dumb to work wiht the ClieMP4Converter

[viggo21]

I cant seem to run and install the IC2 thatt i downloaded in the forum. Imame mentioned a "backup" file but the link is already removed. ANy alternative links?

[lmame]

I cant seem to run and install the IC2 thatt i downloaded in the forum. Imame mentioned a "backup" file but the link is already removed. ANy alternative links?
You should see the video section of 1src, you got a link to IC 2.1...

[DArk-Dante]

Say does anyone know when they will be posting a release on the Devil may cry game for PSP?

[Privateer]

http://www.1src.com/freeware/fileinfo.php?id=1218

[cgmwarez]

Can anyone send me image converter 2?

Many thanks!

[dragonsgames]

Welcome to 1src!
Image Converter requires a fee. It is illegal to distribute. As your username suggests, you must not care. Shame on you...