The Latest on the Tungsten T5

[EdFrmBrighthand]

A listing has been found in the inventory database of a major electronics retailer for a Tungsten T5. This gives the price and another detail or two.

Read more at www.brighthand.com/article/Latest_on_the_Tungsten_T5

[khakiman]

Thanks for the news ED.

[cst516]

I read this on Palm Addict. PalmOne seems to verify the T5 and the Treo 650 with one of there GPS products.

Check it out
http://store.palmone.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1818975

[VanHolton]

This appears to suggest that T5 comes with UC.

[cst516]

That is hard to say. They could easily swap out the power connecter for each particular Palm, since the GPS is bluetooth. Does the Treo have the UC?

[Antoine]

Actually, if you look at the pic, you will see a mini-USB connector there. Chances are that it will connect to it either via mini-USB or BT - or even that new connector that was mentioned in one of the rumors. I doubt that we will another Uni-connector from P1.

[hussain]

it is a bluetooth GPS. and the 650 does has Bluetooth
This Bluetooth™ GPS car kit is bundled with TomTom Navigator software. The Bluetooth technology-enabled receiver sits on your dashboard, where it identifies the car's position using at least 3 satellites. By communicating with the GPS receiver via Bluetooth, your handheld obtains real-time location information and displays 2D or 3D maps by TomTom. Using the handheld's high-resolution screen, the maps automatically show your car's location.


COMPATIBLE WITH:
palmOne™ Tungsten™ T3 Handheld
palmOne™ Zire™ 72 Handheld
and also notice there is a mini USB(as someone mentioned), next to it it was the UC attachment

[Stefan Knochenhauer]

Ok, guys, here's a question for you: if the old TomTom runs both on the T3 AND the T5 what does this tell us about the OS version of the T5? Will it be OS5 or OS6? I e-mailed Tomtom recently about OS6 compatibilty and they were VERY secretive about it.

[SoS]

..... Will it be OS5 or OS6? I e-mailed Tomtom recently about OS6 compatibilty and they were VERY secretive about it.



maybe you answered your own question!! Lets hope its OS6!! Nevertheless, OS6 devices should also be able to run most OS5 apps I think...

[PatrickS]

... what does this tell us about the OS version of the T5? Will it be OS5 or OS6?I think the general feeling is that the T5 is OS6 since the latest anyone has heard is that there is a 128MB RAM limit in OS5. So, if you believe the 256MB RAM claim, it is Cobalt.

[palmdoc88]

I read this on Palm Addict. PalmOne seems to verify the T5 and the Treo 650 with one of there GPS products.

Check it out
http://store.palmone.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1818975

Hmm. As of this moment, clicking on the link gives this message

This product is temporarily out of stock.

[alexasha]

I saw it couple hours ago. It was there. I guess they removed it after everybody noticed the anouncement

[Jukov]

Monsters! They don't even allow us to gossip freely :)

[xyeta]

I just want built-in Wi-Fi! Something to compete with the Clie TH55...now that Clies are no longer to be had!

[technical1]

Less official, but pointing in the same direction, J&R ComputerWorld lists a PalmOne hard aluminum case for the Tungsten T5 at the following url:

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4000970

[Adrenochrome]

This cradle listing says it works for the Treo 650 and the T5 - so UC is definitely out!

http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4000740

[knghtbrd]

All indications are that the connector being used on both the T5 and the Treo 650 is the Athena type. It's supposed to be more similar to the modern sort of cell charger cables. I don't know what other companies are using, but the one my S-E phone uses is a very nice design. I mean, c'mon, nobody I know cradles a PDA since that would entail pulling it from a case to do so.

I haven't seen one yet, but all I've read indicates the Athena connector will be tough enough to dangle a PDA from. I wouldn't recommend making a habit of that. ;)

[Adrenochrome]

All indications are that the connector being used on both the T5 and the Treo 650 is the Athena type. It's supposed to be more similar to the modern sort of cell charger cables. I don't know what other companies are using, but the one my S-E phone uses is a very nice design. I mean, c'mon, nobody I know cradles a PDA since that would entail pulling it from a case to do so.

I haven't seen one yet, but all I've read indicates the Athena connector will be tough enough to dangle a PDA from. I wouldn't recommend making a habit of that. ;)
Actually, my T2 sits in a cradle ten hours a day.

[Wollombi]

All indications are that the connector being used on both the T5 and the Treo 650 is the Athena type. It's supposed to be more similar to the modern sort of cell charger cables. I don't know what other companies are using, but the one my S-E phone uses is a very nice design. I mean, c'mon, nobody I know cradles a PDA since that would entail pulling it from a case to do so.

I haven't seen one yet, but all I've read indicates the Athena connector will be tough enough to dangle a PDA from. I wouldn't recommend making a habit of that. ;)

There are a number of cases that allow you to set the Palm in the cradle without removing the case.

E&B and Vaja are just two expamples of companies that make them.

[LexLuther]

Actually, my T2 sits in a cradle ten hours a day.

Yah, mine too, right under my flat screen at my office desk. I will be a little disappointed if one isn't included. Especially at that price point - in Aus it will definately go for $700-800. Not fair that is. :mad:

[Lance]

Probably another Photoshop job, but I like the concept...

Source: Palm Addict (http://palmaddicts.blogspot.com/)

http://palmaddicts.blogspot.com/t5oct.jpg

Take care,
Lance

[PatrickS]

Superficially, this looks to be a slider-less, Cobalt device with built-in WiFi.
Assuming it has a ton of memory, I'd be first in line to buy such a device.

Alas, I fear there is a lot of truth in the previous hoaxes, so I think this device is not in the cards for 2004.

Somebody has obviously been listening to the nay-sayers on the previous hoaxes, though. Note the two clocks on the screen in this shot agree on what time it is.

[Joel]

The curve on the lower part is painfully rough. The button images are off center too. The whole layout needs work. I'd give it an A in my 6th grade art class though. :D

[RobertS]

Yes....there are hoaxes, and then there are bad hoaxes....and this is a bad hoax.

Go away, do some Photoshopping tutorials, try again.

Oh, and while you're there, research standard device marketing views. They would never show four straight-on images without callouts. There would be at least one at an interesting angle.

[SoS]

check this (http://www.clieuk.co.uk/t5.shtml) out. Now if this is a hoax, whoever made it up needs to get a life!!!

Two problems....

1. No mention of the OS that I can see

2. No mention of the Wifi card iin the accessories - this seems like a major oversight given the clamour for built in wifi!!

Must say, I really hope it doesnt look like this. It is truly dog ugly IMHO (he says as he cuddle his cute lil TT). Crappy 'extended' TE shell/chassis with the equally crappy T3 button layout. Of all the bits they could have recycled, why oh why choose these???? Why not at least stuff it into a M515-like casing??? Maybe it look better in the 'flesh' :p

[SoS]

....also, cradle is listed as an accessory and not included in the box..this seems a little odd!!

...also also...if it is OS6 - the first P1 OS6 Cobalt (fanfare in background) device, why is it not in VERY BIG LETTERS???? If this is real, it must be garnet (but OS5 cant handle the RAM can it?? New OS5 version seems unlikely)

[Vidge]

Looks like another hoax. Did you notice the spelling of "Organisation"?

[SoS]

yeah Vidge, it derives from a language called English like the one what I speaks!! ;)

Could be a bunch of powerpoint slides made by someone from UK....In any case I dont think this alone kills it but I agree it has a bad smell about it!!

[Gekko]

I like the Palm Addict T5 hoax the best. No slider, built-in WIFI, OS6, 128 MB, 500Mhz+ is all I ask. Heck, I'd even take an Dell X30 running Palm OS5 at this point.

[SoS]

Hey Gekko, I agree that would be the one for me but it aint what we are going to get.....

[palmdoc88]

Actually I would prefer the iPaq 4150 hardware design with dual wireless but running POS....

[Gekko]

I agree. The 4150 is the ultimate in form factor. A flip cover and CF slot is all it's missing.

Maybe we'll see that in the new Dell X50 - with the added bonus of VGA!

[Gazpacho]

Actually, the T5 picture of the " hires+ T|E" is real.

And I can tell you it's lookin' good in real life: combine the real metal / gunmetal look and feel with the forms of the TE, and you got the T5. Adding a CF slot would increase bulk dramatically.

[Gekko]

gazpacho - built-in wifi? os6?

[hamsammich]

NDA?
:rolleyes:

[acme]

As almost everybody has already said, I think the T5 won't have built-in wifi and we will have this T|E alike.

However a couple of glitches on the latest slides from pda247:
- The inclusion of the SKU# in the descriptions seem to me redundant for a presentation. Curiosly, they happen to be the numbers already disclosed on J&R and staples catalogs...
- A T3 photo on the software CD
- Things like "Battery charger with European plugs" ?!!?!! they never use this kind of expressions marketing-wise, something like "international travel kit" is more likely.

So while I think that overall, after all rumors, this looks like what we are eventually going to get, I think these slides by themselves are fake. Everyone of us could have done them copying & pasting the data already present on the forum.

Personally I don't understand what an improvement a model like this can offer to current users of T3. The memory & speed are nice, but only for a very marginal sector... not with the supposedly price of $400 in today's market. But the inclusion of wifi would really change the things.

Let's wait 10 days.....

[Gekko]

1. Doesn't each store have it's own SKU # for each product?
2. Faster Speed? The T3 is 400Mhz.
3. This is a TE2 not a T5. If this turns out to be the real T5, PalmOne deserves to go out of business. Evolve/Innovate or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SoS]

1. Doesn't each store have it's own SKU # for each product?
2. Faster Speed? The T3 is 400Mhz.
3. This is a TE2 not a T5. If this turns out to be the real T5, PalmOne deserves to go out of business. Evolve/Innovate or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!


Couldnt have said it better myself!! That HP4150 is starting to look much better....

[Gekko]

I'll probably just keep my T3 for the near future but this X50 is tempting:

http://www.brighthand.com/article/Better_Pictures_of_Dell_Axim_X50_Appear?site=PPC

My next PDA will probably be bought next year - probably a Dell VGA/WiFi Axim XX with WINDOWS MOBILE 2005. I believe MS may get it almost perfect in 2005.

[pmconmy]

Whats not innovative? P1 has never had this much memory or could be
used as a flash drive. Makes it so easy to download someones presentation
from their pc for example. This is new.

Adding wi-fi is not innovative. However, not including it is very stupid, and
thats the problem. It seems such an obvious feature to miss out.

[Gazpacho]

gazpacho - built-in wifi? os6?

No and nope. Not sure why they didn't put wifi in, they'll lose a big share when PalmOne supplies enterprise solutions to companies.

That's where HP and Dell come in....

3. This is a TE2 not a T5. If this turns out to be the real T5, PalmOne deserves to go out of business. Evolve/Innovate or DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ouch. :)

Meet me here in this thread when the official launch has passed. ;)

[hamsammich]

Adding wi-fi is not innovative. However, not including it is very stupid, and
thats the problem. It seems such an obvious feature to miss out.

I agree. Wireless is not only the "in" thing, it's pretty much a necessity for a huge number of people. Most Pocket PC's include it now as a standard...
Please, PalmOne, keep up with the crowd!
:eek:

[hamsammich]

No and nope. Not sure why they didn't put wifi in, they'll lose a big share when PalmOne supplies enterprise solutions to companies.

You've got to be kidding me. Those were the two things I was counting on. Hmmmm. Looks like PPC isn't looking so bad after all.
:mad:

[Gazpacho]

You've got to be kidding me. Those were the two things I was counting on. Hmmmm. Looks like PPC isn't looking so bad after all.
:mad:

I hate to say so. Normally I upgrade from one top-of-the-line Palm to the other, but this is going to be the first time I'll stick with one (TH55), simply because the product that should have eclipsed mine doesn't really eclipse it.

The 256 Meg non-volatile memory does sound tempting though, and I guess the formfactor and the looks will appeal to many business minded people who don't need Wifi.

I am curious to all those people who said the slider design of the T series is "innovative" or even " practical, because it makes the device much more smaller" - I guess the T5 is smaller than a short T3 volumewise.

[cst516]

I have not thought much on these new rumors because I was totally burned by the T1 rumor. My original thought stands, if it has Wi-Fi I will buy it, if it don't then I won't buy it.

[Lance]

Okay, I am little depressed at the moment. The information posted on PDA247.com is not what I expected for the Tungsten T5, maybe the Tungsten E2, but not the Tungsten T5. I was much more excited about the information posted on Palm Addict about the Tungsten T5. While I am still skeptical about all the information that has been released, the Tungsten T5 on PDA247.com looks more likely to be the real thing.

I guess the verdict is still out until someone (not under a NDA) can get his/her hands on one, and I am still curious about the price. I know people have speculated $400, but palmOne has an opportunity to surprise us here. I mean, they left out WiFi, voice recorder, and cradle; so it is bascially a TE ($199) with 256 MB RAM, a 480 x 320 display, and Bluetooth. If palmOne could sell the Tungsten T5 for $300, then things would not look so bad.

Best regards,
Lance

[Gekko]

No and nope. Not sure why they didn't put wifi in, they'll lose a big share when PalmOne supplies enterprise solutions to companies.

If this is true, I only have one comment for PalmOne:

http://theforbidden-zone.com/sounds/youmaniacs.wav

[jjesusfreak01]

I dont think its an if. Besides TungstenInfos fake, but pretty cool, version of the T5, no one has said it would have WiFi. As many people have mentioned, they are probably trying to use this to milk out sales for their new WiFi SD card. Its really sad, because if I owned a T3 or a T5 (which doesnt really apply because i wouldnt buy a new pda without WiFi), i wouldnt buy the dorky card anyway. I believe palm has been planning this. You might notice the 128 or 256mb of memory, that allows you to drop any type of file onto it. Palm knew people would not sacrifice the absolutely necessary memory card slot, and so they built more memory in to take its place. If the T5 was really going to have WiFi, it would show up on the FCC site, and everybody would be talking about it. I know that palm has had the FCC hide the details on their site, but i think the limit on that has run out, or is about to. So, the question is, "will anyone actually buy the T5 as a replacement pda?". I sure wouldnt, because its not as good as my current pda, the Sony TH-55. And as far as that 256 of non-volatile memory. I call it a 256mb memory stick pro.

Post #101 Yahoo!

[PatrickS]

Lance... I'm with you... very depressed. A T|E2 is really an apt description for this device. It certainly is not worthy of the T|T heritage. And just think, this took an entire year for P1 to come up with this design... we are just days away from the first anninversary of the T3. Sure, the Z72 and Z31 have been brought out in the mean time, but to think of this meagre advancement in technology on the flagship device taking an entire year surely, surely spells bad tidings for Palm. They deserve to be ridiculed, and badly.

When does the T7 get released? Another year from now? You mean I have to go two years without a new top-of-the-line Palm??? Say it isn't so! <Sniff>

[Gekko]

I posted this on the PIC forums:

Maybe in PalmOne's twisted minds they think a "TC2" with thumboard will be their WIFI device and they don't need it in their non-thumboard T5 flagship device. I can just hear them now: "WIFI? The T5 don't need no stinkin' WIFI!!! It ain't got no thumboard! You need a thumboard for WIFI/Web/Email."

[Gekko]

What about NO OS6? According to gazpacho, there is NO OS6 either!

[Joel]

Maybe the T5 is the last of the OS5 devices then the flagship device would be an OS6 T6? It's a convenient model numbering that PalmOne could take advantage of :D

[Ce]

I was thinking about selling my TH55 in favour of a T5...but the more "information" we get..the more I think about keeping my Sony. WiFi is a dealbreaker for me. You can't leave this Wifi card in the TT, it's to big (54 mm versus 34 mm for a regular SD card) I don't see myself fishing this WiFi SD card out of my briefcase....take it out of it's protective case...installing it...logging on my company network...fetch my mail....pull out the WiFi card...put it into it's case...back in my briefcase...and so on :(

[Ce]

Maybe the T5 is the last of the OS5 devices then the flagship device would be an OS6 T6? It's a convenient model numbering that PalmOne could take advantage of :D

You could be right, but on the other hand...10 months after showing OS6 to the world and still no device that can handle this OS??? that would be foolish. 10 months after introducing OS6 Palm still isn't confident enough to build it in it's own hardware??

[SoS]

I guess Ill have to nurse my aging TT for a little while longer or else bite the bullet and buy a PPC. If this is really the T5, no buy for me!! Seems to me that in this discussion, what has been forgotten is that the WiFi card costs $150 or something...this plus the rumourde $400 for the TE2...whoops sorry, T5 means that this dog will cost the better part of $600 if you want a wireless capability comparable to that available even on mid-range PPCs and already in place on tyhe TH-55. P1 are surely out of their minds if this is the best they can do for $550....big piece of card hanging out of the end, continually replacing one card with another...virtually no cpu improvement, probably OS5....T3 screen....utterly unbelievable IMHO.

[Gekko]

CE - There's no reason to nix your TH55 at this point. I like the TH55 - WIFI, Camera, etc. The only thing I don't like vs. the T3/T5 is:

1. Sony is out of the US PDA market indefinitely.
2. 32MB RAM (64MB is my minimum) (Subject to Parkinson's Law).
3. Slower Rated Processor.
4. NO 32k Memos! This is a big deal for me! I HATE that 4K memo limit!
5. NO Docs To Go?

[Joel]

I was thinking about selling my TH55 in favour of a T5...
In my case, there's still nothing that comes close to let me decide to replace my TH55/E :)

[mikegehl]

If the T5 was really going to have WiFi, it would show up on the FCC site, and everybody would be talking about it. I know that palm has had the FCC hide the details on their site, but i think the limit on that has run out, or is about to.

The only problem with this logic is that Bluetooth is also a wireless standard that has to be approved by the FCC.

[Gekko]

Michael Dell has heard of our plight and has agreed at the last minute to introduce a PalmOS6 Cobalt Axim with VGA and WIFI. MSRP is said to be $199.

This *MAY* be just another hoax though, I'm not sure.

http://www.iownjoo.com/freeimghost/Gekko/aximpalm.jpg

[SoS]

The only problem with this logic is that Bluetooth is also a wireless standard that has to be approved by the FCC.

well maybe not. I seem to remember that a new P1 machine (presumably the T5) is registered as a BT device with the FCC..I think this was reported a few days ago on 1src...maybe wrong tho'

[SoS]

Gekko....That Dalm Axim looks great. That innovative wedge-shaped profile will appeal to many fans of Picasso, Braque and others of the cubist movement, if noone else!!

[Gekko]

a Dali version is being considered

http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/irtc/stills/2003-08-31/dali.jpg

[SoS]

a Dali version is being considered

http://public.planetmirror.com/pub/irtc/stills/2003-08-31/dali.jpg

now, this is as about as surreal as the T5 LOL.

[Cyker]

IMHO, the TH55 is still the best PDA out there. It is as close to perfect for me as I think I'm likely to see. The T|5 seems to be more of a competitor for PPC's, than as a PDA, which is something PalmOS will loose against hands down.

PalmOS has always been the epitome of what a PDA should be about, whereas PPC has always been about flashy bells and whistles (To distract you from the fact that, frankly, as PDAs they are pretty pap.). For Palm to try and move in on PPC's literally-Pocket PC geared systems is a really stupid move. This is not where PalmOS' strength lays.

The sad fact is, IMHO, Palm have never really been very good at making PDAs since they got bought out by USR and then 3COM.

The only really decent ones they've made recently are the Zire 72 and the T|3, but the Zire is just a (fairly decent) copy cat of the Clie, and the T|3 is only impressive because of it's numbers. It's better for posing than my TH55 for that reason, but I don't rate it all that high in terms of non-posing usability. They don't really bring anything cool to the table as it were.

I don't see why it's so hard for them - Sony have already provided the perfect role-model in the TH55.
On the obvious side, it's great battery life and great connectivity (IR, BT & WiFi!), it's great apps (The Organiser, DataImport, ZIP-compatible Clie Files etc.).
Less obvious are the many fine OS interface tweaks to make it more usable than any Palm offering.

I don't understand why Palm don't learn from Sony, but instead plod along with their decidedly clunky stagnating designs!

[Antoine]

Here is what I had just posted over at PIC, I thought that it would be good food for thought here as well. I was responding to the newer images posted over at PDA24/7:

I got a feeling that our TE-inspired design is the real deal...

I got another feeling that the 5th will be our day of release...

I got a feeling that the T5 will be upgradeable to Cobalt as it will probably not have it...

I got another feeling that many of us will like the mountable feature that the slides have been talking about (think USB key drive in the form of a palmos pda)...

Granted, if I use the words "I got a feeling" then it will make some people just pass off my opinions.

As for the T5, if the battery life can prove to be at least as good as my Z71 was, then I will look to get it.

Final opinion for the moment: a lot of users here harp on the benefits of having both Wifi and BT in a device. I have been talking to my editors at BargainPDA and we have been asking the same thing. One of the things that we are beginning to realize is that wifi and bt do not solve problems for many users. Yes, people want to be connected anywhere, and yes, they want to do it without wires. The problem is that until wifi can be the solution to a problem, a casual computer user will not use it until they have a reason to. Will having wifi on the PDA be a solution to many business users (PalmOne's target audience with the Tungsten line)? No. Management and IT depts still see WiFi as a security risk and therefore do not allow devices with wifi abilities to be in the building. When BT becomes as prolific, then the same thing will happen there unless teh security concerns are solved. Yes, it is a conveience, but without the constant attention to security, wireless tech will not be as accepted. This is my reason behind thinking why P1 will not have the T5 with wiFi. Will there be a new TC that does WiFi? Most probably, but it will probably be Cobalt enabled and deployed to the same groups.companies that are using TCs so that any security concerns would be minimized. That will disappoint the nonsense out of people that visit fan sites. But you know what, the market is not built on those that frequent fan sites. We are the early adopters who test the technology and if we approve it and use/buy enough of it, then the proce trickles down to the mainstream users. It is just the way that economics go in terms of technology. I would like to say that we should stop the bashing of no wifi or no this and no that on devices that we want, but the truth of the matter is that we are market testers, not market pushers. That is just the way it is (and yes, there happens to be a few companies that I deal with that follow this mindset).

I know that reposting from other forums sounds a bit wrong, but it is so weird how the same conversations are happening at 3-5 different websites. Aint communication neat :)

[pmconmy]

Sorry d-roc but I can't agree. Palm1 has to have a model with wi-fi in (whether its this one or another). Its everywhere - even here in the UK where we always seem to lag behind the US.
Security clearly isn't much of an issue or there wouldn't be so much war-chalking of open networks! I know stacks of people with home networks, every starbucks has a wi-fi hotspot - not to mention cities setting up free access etc etc. Every conference/meeting I've been to recently has offered free wi-fi access to delegates.

Personally I'm betting that palm has more than this up its sleeve. I'm fairly certain these slides are the real deal (if they are not the pda247 have staked a big portion of their reputation on them) but that doesn't mean its the only model P1 are about to introduce.

[Hawkeye]

Axim is the Worst Photshop Job EVER!

look at the angle of the device itself its sortof facing to the side right?

now look at the angle of the display, its facing straight ahead.

and the screen even rides up on the rest on the top right
Horrible Photoshop job

[Gekko]

They can't fool you, Hawkeye! Now I know how you got your name! Good catch, we would have *NEVER* known!

[SoS]

Axim is the Worst Photshop Job EVER!

look at the angle of the device itself its sortof facing to the side right?

now look at the angle of the display, its facing straight ahead.

and the screen even rides up on the rest on the top right
Horrible Photoshop job


errr...you arent serious.....it was a joke....Ha ha..you know ;) :confused:

[Gekko]

errr...you arent serious.....it was a joke....Ha ha..you know ;) :confused:


http://www.wiseacre-gardens.com/buttons/pics/sounds/foghorn04.wav

[SoS]

Gekko...LOL big time...

[LexLuther]

As I read the alternating joy and disappointment with the supposed T5 design it suddenly dawned on me how brilliant it all is. For those who feel joy, you will be able to go out and spend your hard earned post tax shekels on a wi-fi-less, slider-less T5. Those who have been waiting for the next top-shelf Tungsten model and are disappointed can buy a T3. Why cannabalise T3 sales with a T5? Just make it different enough to not be a substitute and Palm becomes a winner. Not to mention rocketing sales for the wi-fi SD card by the pent-up frustrated T3 owners. Great plan P1 :cool:

[Jukov]

Or they would just go and buy themselves a new Ipaq/ toshiba/ Dell with the functions they need and not the wretched substitute for a function ( like wifi sd card)

[hussain]

Michael Dell has heard of our plight and has agreed at the last minute to introduce a PalmOS6 Cobalt Axim with VGA and WIFI. MSRP is said to be $199.

This *MAY* be just another hoax though, I'm not sure.

http://www.iownjoo.com/freeimghost/Gekko/aximpalm.jpg
Whoever made this image must learn to use the free transform tool properly in photoshop.

[hamsammich]

Wow. That is the most God-awful Photoshop job I've seen as of late. So many actually decent mock-ups, and then this one surfaces!
How funny, though!

I was about to say how right LexLuther was about PalmOne's move, but then saw Jukov's post. I wholeheartedly agree with Jukov...a lot of Palm users will, indeed, switch ships in mid-stream if Palm doesn't come up with a great (WiFi enabled, I may add) update in the series.

I know I sure as he** won't fork over the simoleans for a WiFi card just so it can take up my SD slot and overall become a pain in the butt to tote around...especially when most PPC's now come with it integrated.

[mikegehl]

My goodness! Are you guys actually trying to tell me you didn't catch the humor in the "Palm" Axim joke. It was just a quick cut 'n' paste job to be funny.

[Gekko]

As I read the alternating joy and disappointment with the supposed T5 design it suddenly dawned on me how brilliant it all is. For those who feel joy, you will be able to go out and spend your hard earned post tax shekels on a wi-fi-less, slider-less T5. Those who have been waiting for the next top-shelf Tungsten model and are disappointed can buy a T3. Why cannabalise T3 sales with a T5? Just make it different enough to not be a substitute and Palm becomes a winner. Not to mention rocketing sales for the wi-fi SD card by the pent-up frustrated T3 owners. Great plan P1 :cool:

Fortunately, Palm does not have a monopoly on the market. Consumers have a choice. Palm has a choice too - deliver value to customers - or join the ash heap of history with all of the other technology companies that failed to do so.

"You can fool all the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time."

[hamsammich]

mikegehl-
I actually considered that, but until you posted, I hadn't read the above posts about it! :rolleyes: Now I see it! I thought someone had actually tried to sneak that in under the radar!
;)

[Adrenochrome]

Probably another Photoshop job, but I like the concept...

Source: Palm Addict (http://palmaddicts.blogspot.com/)

http://palmaddicts.blogspot.com/t5oct.jpg

Take care,
Lance
Hoax. The back shows the notches for the old UC connector and we already know the T5 uses Athena instead.

[bestoverall]

I can't believe there is no leak of real T5 photo with just a few more days to go before the official annoucement. The photos for Treo 650 are out and even the detail spec is available all over the web. This just to leads me to think that may be T5 isn't going to be announed in the next trade show. (I forgot the name of the trade show...Techx somthing).

[Gekko]

Unfortunately, I think we did see the REAL T5 leak. The TE-inspired T5 version from pda247.com is probably it. It is so underwhelming, it's hard to accept. I personally feel betrayed and insulted by PalmOne. I hope they get what they deserve.

[hussain]

My goodness! Are you guys actually trying to tell me you didn't catch the humor in the "Palm" Axim joke. It was just a quick cut 'n' paste job to be funny.
I got the joke, but I would have actually spend 5 more minutes putting the screen on nicely

[minimalposter]

I believe that Palmone has kept us in the dark for our benefit. I believe that next week, when the T5 is finally revealed, we will be so awe struck that no one will have a complaint about the state of Palmone. These so called "hoaxes" are just to lower our expectations.

I also belive: My employer only has my best interests at heart. My girlfriend and her male roomate are just friends. My mechanic really wants my car to run well. And the bridge I just purchased in NY will net me financial security.

I am not the best source for these rumors though :rolleyes:

[Hawkeye]

I just hope that they release a TE2 i dont like the T series theyre too expensive and they have too many features i wouldnt use. I just want the problems on the TE to be fixed and a much bigger battery and maybe a bigger screen but keep the same body. i like the E its got all i need nothing more nothing less. Who's with me?

[Hawkeye]

i also dont need wireless but if its in there uit better be WiFi dont waist my money on bluetooth

[edeab220]

I believe that Palmone has kept us in the dark for our benefit. I believe that next week, when the T5 is finally revealed, we will be so awe struck that no one will have a complaint about the state of Palmone. These so called "hoaxes" are just to lower our expectations. Man...I seriously hope that's true (although it won't :p). The T|T5 looks like it would be one BIG flop for palmOne...for the first time in my life I'll be recommending an hp PPC instead of a Palm OS handheld...or I'll just keep on recommending the T|T3 :p.

[hamsammich]

If PalmOne hopes to place all bets on the Treo 650, then they will soon go the way of the Dodo. They will have a new Tungsten, and we might not know all the specs because they may have told the FCC not to make it public for a certain amount of time...
...or that's what I keep telling myself anyway!

[Gekko]

PalmSource to unveil smart-phone software
Richard Shim, Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: September 27, 2004

PalmSource will go after the emerging smart-phone market with its latest operating system, looking to grow beyond its core handheld business.

As expected, the market-share leader in handheld operating systems plans to announce on Tuesday the Cobalt 6.1, its first product specifically aimed at smart phones, at a developer conference in Munich. Last week, the company disappointed Wall Street with a cloudy quarterly outlook, citing uncertainty because of the withdrawal of Sony, a significant licensee, from the handheld field in all markets except in Japan.

To assuage concerns about its future, the company is targeting the smart-phone market. Cobalt, previously code-named Sahara, has been in development for about a year. Among its features are telephony capabilities, a native e-mail application, a Web browser and integrated Wi-Fi and Bluetooth wireless features. It also adds improved security features and enhanced capacity to open several programs simultaneously.

"Our competitors are throwing a bunch of technology out there and trying to sell a bag of features," said Michael Mace, chief competitive officer at PalmSource. "We're asking 'What do the users really need?' just like we did with the original handhelds…We're fully modernized and fully wireless."

Mace added that if cellular carriers and manufacturers test the operating system and it proves to be compatible with their plans, phones using Cobalt will come out in the first half of next year. There are about 10 different phones in development using the new software.

Despite PalmSource's current lead position in the handheld market, analysts predict that rival Microsoft will catch up and surpass the company in the next few years. The Palm OS was used in 51.7 percent of handhelds shipped worldwide in 2003, while Microsoft's operating system was in 38.3 percent of devices. IDC says Microsoft should take over the top spot at the end of this year, with 45.9 percent of the market, compared to 45.1 percent for the Palm OS, and grab a 51 percent share by 2006.

About 35 million devices have been sold running the Palm OS. The company is looking for even bigger numbers by tapping into the mobile phone market, where it currently holds a leading position thanks to devices such as its popular Treo 600.

On Monday, PalmSource announced that GSPDA, Inventec Appliances and Portable Innovation Technology Limited (PiTech) will license the new operating system.

[Gekko]

New Palm System Targets Smart Phones
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: September 27, 2004
Filed at 2:33 p.m. ET

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) -- PalmSource Inc. has finally answered the smart-phone call.

The maker of Palm operating systems for handheld computers plans to introduce Tuesday its first version designed specifically for so-called smart phones.

In addition to incorporating telephony features, the software includes a native e-mail application and Web browser and integrates Wi-Fi and Bluetooth wireless networking connectivity.

It's a move analysts say the Sunnyvale-based company had to make as smart phones gain in popularity, outpacing the declining sales of basic personal digital assistants, or PDAs.

Worldwide shipments of smart phones are expected to almost double from 17.6 million in 2004 to about 30 million next year, according to IDC market research firm.

``This is the basic feature set they have to have,'' said Van Baker, analyst with the Gartner G2 research firm. ``At least now, they'll be invited to the table and it's enough to get them into the game.''

Smart phones combine computing and communication functions. Users, say of the Treo 600, which is powered by the Palm OS, can use the devices to make cell phone calls as well as Web surf and do e-mail.

In the past, Treo maker palmOne Inc. and the handful of other PalmSource licensees who have used the Palm OS in smart phones had to incorporate the cell phone and wireless capabilities on their own.

Now, with those functions built into PalmSource's newest version of the Palm OS, dubbed Cobalt 6.1, the company is at least on par with its chief competitors, Symbian and Microsoft, in offering a more ready-to-go engine for cell phone makers, Baker said.

Symbian, which is owned by Nokia and several other cell phone makers, dominates with an estimated 70 percent share of the worldwide smart phone market.

PalmSource ``missed the first generation of smart phones,'' but the company has now fixed its eyes on the market, Dave Nagel, PalmSource's president and chief executive, acknowledged in an interview.

PalmSource is banking on its new operating system to attract dozens of second-tier, lesser known cell phone makers worldwide that normally lack the resources to develop such sophisticated features on their own.

``We've built the foundation,'' said Michael Mace, PalmSource's chief competitive officer, and now the company is working on adding software applications that would make smart phones as simple and easy to use as Palm-powered organizers.

``Right now, smart phones are designed for Dilbert,'' Mace said, referring to the techno-geek Scott Adams cartoon character. ``But we want to design smart phones for normal people, and we don't think anybody is doing that right now.''

PalmSource stock was trading at $20.09 at midday Monday on the Nasdaq, down 50 cents, or 2.43 percent, from Friday's close.

[Gekko]

Famous last words

PalmSource CEO: Dell doesn't worry us
By Tony Hallett
Special to CNET News.com
November 11, 2002, 5:16 PM PST

LONDON--The head of PalmSource, the software arm of Palm, has spoken out against a Wintel-based clone model for handheld devices, but he admitted Dell Computer's imminent entry into that market will "have an impact."

PalmSource CEO David Nagel was in London to promote the Palm OS 5 operating system for mobile devices. "Dell certainly will have an impact in the handheld computing market...but mainly because of their distribution and sales (expertise). They will bring Microsoft Pocket PC pricing closer to that of Palm (OS-based devices), but even Dell can't close that gap completely."


http://news.com.com/PalmSource+CEO+Dell+doesnt+worry+us/2100-1040_3-965338.html

[hamsammich]

Very interesting, indeed. Does this mean that the T|5 might be the last PDA-only device from PalmOne?
:confused:

[Peppy]

Why would you say that? All those posts talked about PalmSource and their plans. Remember, PalmSource makes the OS. They didn't talk about PalmOne, the hardware maker. Or did I miss something? ;)

[hamsammich]

To me, they go hand in hand. If PalmSource focuses on the converged phone/PDA device, then PalmOne will most certainly follow.
Now, I hope I'm wrong, but I can just envision that happening.
I'm just waiting for P1 to surprise me next week.
:rolleyes:

[PatrickS]

To me, they go hand in hand. If PalmSource focuses on the converged phone/PDA device, then PalmOne will most certainly follow.
I guess I feel this is a bit of the tail wagging the dog. These may be separate companies now but we shouldn't fool ourselves about who is calling the shots. Look at the relative revenues of the two arms of Palm and you can see that P1 is a giant next to PS. It is also almost certain that P1 is PS's most important customer by leaps and bounds. My money is on P1 dictating PS's direction to a very large degree, not the other way around.

[Gekko]

PalmOne to launch 'big RAM' Tungsten next week
By Tony Smith (tony.smith at theregister.co.uk)
Published Tuesday 28th September 2004 08:55 GMT

PalmOne is set to cut the prices of its current PDA line-up next month as it gears up for the Holiday sales period and the release of its latest Tungsten handheld, The Register has learned.

Reliable sources familiar with the company's plans suggest that the new Tungsten's launch could come as early as next Monday.

The new machine is expected to be dubbed the Tungsten T5, skipping past the T4 moniker to avoid offending buyers in nations for whom the number four is held to be bad karma.

Past leaks, if accurate, have pointed to a machine with a 520MHz Intel XScale PXA270 CPU and 128MB of memory. Comments from people claiming to have seen the device suggest the new machine contains 256MB of memory, possible some or all of which is Flash, in order to preserve data after hard resets. It has also been claimed that part or all of the device's memory can be mounted on a host computer's desktop as a removable storage device.

Interestingly, that's a feature that was many years ago suggested as an option Apple and (then) Palm were working on for early versions of Mac OS X. In the end, Apple developed iSync. More recently, PalmSource - as the OS developer is now called - said it would no longer support synchronisation with the Mac OS.

But back to the T5, and our sources strongly suggest that PalmOne will be talking up the PDA's memory configuration at launch. That suggests to us that the 256MB figure.

Like the current top-end Tungsten T3, the T5 is said to feature a 320 x 480 display (switchable between landscape and portrait views) but this time minus the slider that has become a key feature of the Tungsten T line-up since the first model shipped almost two years ago.

Like past Tungstens, the T5 is expected to include Bluetooth support, and possibly Wi-Fi too, if some past speculation proves correct. The latter could be provided by bundling PalmOne's new Wi-Fi SD card.

PalmOne is also known to be working on a successor to the Treo 600 smart phone, but it is not believed that the so-called Treo 650 - aka 'Ace' - will be launched next week.

Sources close to PalmOne confirmed a number of upcoming PDA price cuts, but were unable to provide further details. ®

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/28/tunsgten_t5_launch/

[LexLuther]

Thanks Gekko but nothing new there is there? Flash, no slider, bundled wifi card etc. At least there will be a discount on current models. :)

[Gekko]

Thanks Gekko but nothing new there is there? Flash, no slider, bundled wifi card etc. At least there will be a discount on current models. :)


it's just an additional confirmation. please people don't make me spell everything out with every friggin post. you're killing me.

[LexLuther]

it's just an additional confirmation. please people don't make me spell everything out with every friggin post. you're killing me.

Hey Gekko, just a rhetorical question. I appreciate your post. Keep up the good newsspotting! :D