any news/rumors/etc on a new Tungsten???

[clie_wannabe]

with Sony being SLOW with the clie these days...

im really keeping my eye open on what Palm1 would be offering... it should better be good, lest i get tempted to defect to the dark side (the latest Fujitsu Seimens LOOX)...

any news about a new Tungsten?

ps: i hope they have tweaked the OS so much that it would be able to play native audio-visual files (KINOMA sucks big-time!!!)

[sonicularulus]

i heard about a tungsten e2, and i read that palm one usually releases their new pdas during the spring and fall seasons. and since they released the 72 and 31 spring time, then i expect that they will come out with the rumored tungsten e2 and maybe a t4....and hopefully with palm os 6 :) if u do some searching on google or yahoo for the e2, you will find that it is rumored to have a 320x480 screen, intel processor, and more which i cant really remember. :)

[phsv]

any new news regaring any compatible systems for OS 6?

[sonicularulus]

i doubt they will release os upgrades to os6. Did they ever release os upgrades? As far as i know, they never did, so i dont think they will do it this time. Its money making business. The user who wants a certain product will be forced to purchase a more expensive unit just to get it. For example: You see a nice design on a t-shirt. You cant get that design on your cheap, plain white shirt, so you have to purchase their nice, expensive silk shirt just to get that design.

[madmaxmedia]

Palm has been relatively good at releasing updates for older devices (even if you had to pay a small fee.) Certain upgrades are technically impossible- for example OS 4 devices simply cannot run OS 5.

However, some of the current Palms (T3 and TC in particular) should have the hardware to run OS 6. There were some reports that Palm was testing an OS 6 upgrade, but nothing was ever confirmed. We'll see...

I think that if an upgrade is technically feasible, they will release it and charge $30-$50 for users to upgrade. I think $50 is reasonable for an completely brand new OS, to compensate for the testing and support of such an upgrade.

[phsv]

Yes, I would agree . . . paying a small fee like $50 would be reasonable for an upgrade. It would really bug me if the T3 and TC could run the OS 6 and yet can't still get an upgrade (T|C owner) But then again, we are yet to see what Palm will do. I am sure they always have our interest in mind. *smirk*

[sonicularulus]

Well, we will see. If the release a new handheld like a tungsten e2, and keep the pricing as the same as its previous unit, maybe it may be a better deal to purchase the new unit instead of the upgrade. We will have to see. Buying a new unit may actually be a better deal.

[n0m0n]

[QUOTE=clie_wannabe]with Sony being SLOW with the clie these days...

Slow these days???!?!?!!?!!
Sony is out of the PDA market.
They stated a few months ago that they will not longer be offering Clie's to the US market.
They want to go in a totally differnet direction with there funds.
If yo are waiting for a new Sony PDA stop because as of now it is not happening.

[clie_wannabe]

[QUOTE=clie_wannabe]with Sony being SLOW with the clie these days...

Slow these days???!?!?!!?!!
Sony is out of the PDA market.
They stated a few months ago that they will not longer be offering Clie's to the US market.
They want to go in a totally different direction with there funds.
If you are waiting for a new Sony PDA stop because as of now it is not happening.

I AM NOT part of the US market...

I live in Tokyo, Japan...

:D

[Joel]

I AM NOT part of the US market...

I live in Tokyo, Japan...

:D
Just in case 1src misses a new Clie from Japan, feel free to contact me. Salamat ;)

[scientist]

from what i read in different forums, many are going to defect to the dark side :))))) and I forsee palm will be something like Apple today, barely surviving or soon to be dead! the ppcs have raised the bar too much...and i believe, developers will soon port their flagship products for the ppc...all palm is left is good looks, may be looks of ppc can be changed...

[clie_wannabe]

Just in case 1src misses a new Clie from Japan, feel free to contact me. Salamat ;)

sure thing...

basta para sa iyo...

:cool:

[clie_wannabe]

from what i read in different forums, many are going to defect to the dark side :))))) and I forsee palm will be something like Apple today, barely surviving or soon to be dead! the ppcs have raised the bar too much...and i believe, developers will soon port their flagship products for the ppc...all palm is left is good looks, may be looks of ppc can be changed...

as much as i dont believe it - i think that may be what would happen...

unless Palm1, or Sony (at least here in Japan) do something... Palm would be another entry in history...

as for the Clie... it may end up like the Japanese Zaurus... rarely sold outside Japan (except for some third party exporters like dynamism), but quite popular locally, even beating the PPCs and the Clies...

BUT, im still keeping my HOPES alive - there is rumored new Clie that would be released this coming October/November... how true is it, i really dont know... but i am waiting...

[sdsdsd]

from what i read in different forums, many are going to defect to the dark side :))))) and I forsee palm will be something like Apple today, barely surviving or soon to be dead! the ppcs have raised the bar too much...and i believe, developers will soon port their flagship products for the ppc...all palm is left is good looks, may be looks of ppc can be changed...

When my Clie 615 died a couple of weeks ago, I started shopping around for a Palm. In the process, I looked at a PocketPC -- the HP iPAQ rz1715. I figured now is a good time to look at the "competition," so to speak.

The iPAQ was light but still felt solid. Beautiful screen -- and it had portrait mode at a much lower price than Palm/Sony offers. The handwriting recognition worked pretty well, too.

But then I started writing notes and editing appointments and to-dos. Windows for mobile devices has gotten much better since it earned the nickname "Wince." But I still found myself having to tap all over the screen to open items and cancel activities. And I absolutely hate the Windows convention of a tap highlighting the entire field. Palm has much more than good looks -- it still has usability going for it.

I ended up with a Tungsten | C. I've had it less than a week, but I'm quite happy with it. It was the right choice for me.

If, as many suggest, PDAs are on the way out anyway, PocketPC is not going to survive much longer than Palm. PocketPC manufacturers are dropping like flies anyway. Now to see what PalmSource and Microsoft can do with mobile phones ...

[clie_wannabe]

right on the mark!!!

though the PPC are getting more robust after every revision - it still cannot compare with the Palm platform in what matters the most... and that is usability!!!

just to note - Pocket Word/Excel sucks when it compares to DocsToGo!!!

there are STILL more applications (not GAMES, MOVIE players, etc. but productivity apps) for the Palm than the PPC...

When my Clie 615 died a couple of weeks ago, I started shopping around for a Palm. In the process, I looked at a PocketPC -- the HP iPAQ rz1715. I figured now is a good time to look at the "competition," so to speak.

The iPAQ was light but still felt solid. Beautiful screen -- and it had portrait mode at a much lower price than Palm/Sony offers. The handwriting recognition worked pretty well, too.

But then I started writing notes and editing appointments and to-dos. Windows for mobile devices has gotten much better since it earned the nickname "Wince." But I still found myself having to tap all over the screen to open items and cancel activities. And I absolutely hate the Windows convention of a tap highlighting the entire field. Palm has much more than good looks -- it still has usability going for it.

I ended up with a Tungsten | C. I've had it less than a week, but I'm quite happy with it. It was the right choice for me.

If, as many suggest, PDAs are on the way out anyway, PocketPC is not going to survive much longer than Palm. PocketPC manufacturers are dropping like flies anyway. Now to see what PalmSource and Microsoft can do with mobile phones ...

[Vidge]

When my Clie 615 died a couple of weeks ago, I started shopping around for a Palm. In the process, I looked at a PocketPC -- the HP iPAQ rz1715. I figured now is a good time to look at the "competition," so to speak.

Uh oh - that's a pretty crappy PPC.

The iPAQ was light but still felt solid. Beautiful screen -- and it had portrait mode at a much lower price than Palm/Sony offers. The handwriting recognition worked pretty well, too.

Especially well if you turn on Block Recognizer :D And it has both portrait and landscape.

But then I started writing notes and editing appointments and to-dos. Windows for mobile devices has gotten much better since it earned the nickname "Wince." But I still found myself having to tap all over the screen to open items and cancel activities. And I absolutely hate the Windows convention of a tap highlighting the entire field. Palm has much more than good looks -- it still has usability going for it.

I'm with you. All that tapping drives me nuts! And still no shortcuts or command strokes.

I ended up with a Tungsten | C. I've had it less than a week, but I'm quite happy with it. It was the right choice for me.

To be fair, you compared a Ford Escort to a Cadillac (the TC being the Caddy, of course :D) The TC is a very nice machine.

If, as many suggest, PDAs are on the way out anyway, PocketPC is not going to survive much longer than Palm. PocketPC manufacturers are dropping like flies anyway. Now to see what PalmSource and Microsoft can do with mobile phones ...

I agree. PDAs are probably only good for a few more years, anyway. Palm may drop out first but PPC will be right on Palm's heels. There is room in the market for PDAs - just not as much room as before smartphones. I, for one, will likely never own a smartphone and will be a dinosaur using a PDA, preferably a Palm OS PDA.

I got a PPC a couple of months ago. My motivation at the time was to check out the competition - just like you. By the time I actually received it, Sony had announced that they were pulling out of the US market. So I really wanted to like the PPC. So far, it is truly just a toy to me. My T3 does all the work. I use my hp4155 to play games and surf the net.

[Spiral]

there are STILL more applications (not GAMES, MOVIE players, etc. but productivity apps) for the Palm than the PPC...
True, but even if you have 50 programs to list your contacts isn't going to improve your productivity.

and yeah, I definately don't recommend the rz1715 to anybody trying out ppc. At least go with its better predecessor and read some reviews about it, it's an awefully low-spec'ed ppc for a mid-range price.

[RobertS]

Both Vidge and Spiral are quite right that basing your views about PPC on the 1715 is like looking at an m100 and dismissing the current Zire and Tungsten models. By all accounts (except for a few highly suspicious reviews) the 1715 is a misbegotten, overpriced mistake.

If you wish to be more fair to PPC take a look at a 2210, 4150 or 4350. These are all excellent devices which are likely to be available at great prices over the next few weeks as HP slowly roles out their new line of iPaqs, specifically the 6315 smartphone and the hx4700, both of which will likely be big hits.

That said, I think that the T4 as currently rumored will also sell very well, expecially if Palm is able to beat the $650 dollar price tag on the 4700 while still supplying dual wireless. When the new iPaqs were first announced I was all ready to save up for the 4700...but slowly I am souring on the idea. The longer I work with both the more I prefer the PalmOS. Like Vidge, my T|C is my work pda. I do most of my reading on my TH-55 and only play quake at this point on my 2210. My next purchase will be a T4 I think, or waiting until next summer for the rumored C2.

I also agree with the sentiment about Pocket Word...it is not even as powerful as Wordpad let alone Word XP. Docs2Go is far superior. To get even close to it with PPC you need to shell out for TextMaker, and DXG comes free with most Palms these days.

Finally I don't think Palm or HP will be leaving the PDA market any time soon, especially as they will soon likely be the last companies standing. Will PDAs be the hot device as they were in the 90s? I doubt it, but they will still have a market. If they continue exploring new form factors and new niche markets I see no reason why PDA sales cannot continue for years at least at todays levels.

RobertS

[n0m0n]

Well I still use my T3 actually I want to use my T3 more because of the feel and looks, but I cant get away from eh x30 because of its wireless freedom the its built right in the unit.
I will look at the WiFi SD card when released but the lose of my memory card or use of the SD slot when being wireless already has me questioning if I am just wasting my $$$$.

The x30 does offer a faster CPU (624 MHZ) but I cant really tell much difference from running the T3.
I like the BIS in respect to having ROM space for must have app's after a crash.
But I also own JackFlash for the Palm OS's.

As I said earlier the T3 is a better looking PDA and is made a hell of a lot sturdier..
I LOVE THE BUILT IN WiFi, and Bluetooth, features though....

It is the winning option for me...
I just dont get why Palm hasn't or isn't not releasing a totally wireless unit.

As for the smartphones...
I will look at the new i960 when it is released.
It will be the first small smartphone for Nextel and is slated for release at the end of this year..
That means it will be out in the first quarter of next year.
I will be a PPC smartphone and will look and feel like the i830 phone that is out now.

Guess my only question is will it allow me to surf my home as well as office WiFi network???
Must look into that!!!!

[sdsdsd]

Both Vidge and Spiral are quite right that basing your views about PPC on the 1715 is like looking at an m100 and dismissing the current Zire and Tungsten models. By all accounts (except for a few highly suspicious reviews) the 1715 is a misbegotten, overpriced mistake.

Actually, though I ended up with a Tungsten | C, I was comparing the 1715 to a Tungsten | E. It was the only PPC on the war zone of a shelf in Circuit City that was anywhere near the E's price. IIRC, the price fell midway between the E and the C. As such, it was a logical comparison for anyone looking to buy a PDA there. My main objection to the PPC was the OS, which was responsive enough but just not as usable as POS, and I don't think nicer hardware would have helped that much.

'Sides, it's too late <grin>. That Tungsten | C will have to last me another couple of years now. I'm a "buy and hold" kind of guy.

[RobertS]

I see your point sdsdsd...but as an entry level device the T|E wipes the digital floor with the 1715.

FWIW I definetly think you made the right choice in going with the C. I love my E but the lack of wireless, coupled with 32MB RAM and a processor somewhat on the slowish side, can become confining quite quickly.

If you are looking for productivity/business functions then PalmOS is the way to go.

[sdsdsd]

Yeah, I really wasn't prepared to spend a wad of money on another PDA, but I decided that Wi-Fi was the one thing I was missing from my Clie 615 and that it didn't make a lot of sense to buy another PDA and still lack connectivity. Besides, as an open box from Overstock.com (PalmOne Factory Store had a good price, too), it wasn't going to cost any more than my first pilot 1000 way back in '96. Amazing how far we've gotten ...

[RobertS]

No kidding...

I look at my Notebook computer (1.7 Ghz Centrino, 60 Gig HD, 1 Gig Ram) and realise that the bank my dad worked at in the 60s and 70s was spending millions for this much computing power, and it took up a floor and had to be replaced yearly with the new model.

Even my T|C has more computing power then the first desktop I worked on as a kid (Apple II+)

Strange days, indeed.

RobertS

[madmaxmedia]

I just got a TC at Overstock.com too (open box like new), only $250 or so! Great PDA, I love the speed and responsiveness, and all that RAM. Wifi performance is very good (I connect to my home router in maybe a quarter second), range is not the best but good enough for me.

If it can be upgraded to OS 6 then it will be even better...

[Spiral]

Actually, though I ended up with a Tungsten | C, I was comparing the 1715 to a Tungsten | E. It was the only PPC on the war zone of a shelf in Circuit City that was anywhere near the E's price. IIRC, the price fell midway between the E and the C. As such, it was a logical comparison for anyone looking to buy a PDA there.
That's why I buy most of my pdas online where the prices are usually better (unless there's a realy good special in a store), and I get more choice. The rz1715 is notorious on almost all its reviews (by people who are sane) that's it's definately low-low entry level, overpriced, and uglier than its predecessor. Poor performance is probably due to the ridiculous amount of cost cutting including one of the slowest ppc processors and extremely low program memory.

A better comparison would have been the ipaq 1930, 1945, or toshiba e400, Dell Axim X3 (these are really cheap now that the x30 is out), or the Dell Axim X30 (dual wireless, speed, unbeaten value at 300)

[GypsyJon]

I am so unhappy with my T|E that I am going to go to the dark side....have been nothing but Palm guy since the git-go...

Can anyone tell me if I will be able to transfer my calendar, memos, contacts etc to some type of handheld PC?

[RobertS]

Gypsy,

Sorry to hear that you aren't happy with the E. I noticed you have been saying that on several different threads. Overall I found the E to be an exceptional machine as long as you understood going in the limitations it had (no wireless, bare bones specs, etc) when you bought it. I was and am extreamely happy with it.

As for transfering your data to a PPC you will just need to depend on the ActiveSync between whatever machine you end up with and your PC. PPC and Palm units are not interoperable.

Good luck with whatever device you try.

[derekweb]

I am so unhappy with my T|E that I am going to go to the dark side....have been nothing but Palm guy since the git-go...

Can anyone tell me if I will be able to transfer my calendar, memos, contacts etc to some type of handheld PC?


To transfer any data from address books, calendar entries, notes, etc, your best bet would be to try to do this on the desktop, and then activesync it to your PPC. That said, what you're proposing for "sharing" data isn't the easiest. In fact, in the past what I've done myself is say something along the lines of "screw it, I'm just going to re-enter the data manually". Something that left me with a VERY big headache.

I wish you the best on your next decision for a handheld.

[GypsyJon]

Maybe the one I've got is defective or something, but in the Graf letters area the thing will hardly respond...numbers area works fine...but I often end up using the "keyboard" which is a major pain in the butt...all my other Palms worked well in this respect..