ZLauncher V2.30 Beta 1

[sebring]

I received a copy of v2.30 b1 from ZZTechs. The following are some of the main changes.



"1) Full featured File Manager.
2) Lefty friendly
3) Added ability to edit the Favorites List of QuickLaunch+ List.
4) Added Tab Panel. Aiblity to rearrange the order of tab,
and also can categorize apps by drag & drop.
5) Added ability to specify using scroll bar or scroll button to scroll
icons.

If you are insterested in it, please give it a try, and let me know
how it runs on your handheld.

Thank you."

These folks continue to amaze me.

[MikeLang]

I didn't see 2.30b1 that you said you attached. Where can I find it? I like to give it a try.
Thanks.

[sebring]

Originally posted by MikeLang
I didn't see 2.30b1 that you said you attached. Where can I find it? I like to give it a try.
Thanks.

I didn't attach it, that was a quote from their email to me. Sorry for the confusion.:)

[ryber]

I think he copied the email, and meant the file was attached to the email recieved from ZZTECHS

***nevermind, you got to it before I did.***

[n2ifp]

It confused me too...

[Tixx]

:) Cool. I hope the file manager is nice.

[clieconverted]

Ztechs rock. New beta just after new version released. At least they make constant improvements time and again. What what that anxiously awaited Launcher called again, LauncherY, no, maybe it needs a new identity.

[sebring]

I edited out the confusion, I think. Sorry.:)

[atomicCLIE]

Did they make it any faster? I hate watching the graphics re-draw on my T665C's screen. Even though it's a hundredth of a second, I'm still weary of converting over from MegaLauncher because MegaLauncher is so much faster.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by Tixx
:) Cool. I hope the file manager is nice. The file manager was in one of the earlier editions of the 2.22 beta that they sent me, and it was pretty nice.

[sebring]

I actually have both ZLauncher and ML 4.1 on my Clie and if you compare apples with apples, that is 16 bit to 16 bit, ZLauncher seems a little faster to me. The advantage ML has, is it gives you the option of using 8 bit, which is faster.

The file manager in this beta has a few rough edges, but it is only beta 1 after all.

[Joel]

The developer's great! One just needs to mention a missing feature and it's there within the week!:)

[fengwei007]

I hope they could add the feature to have different settings for each individual TAB. That'll be great if so.

[Enceladus]

so...when and where can i find it?

[atomicCLIE]

How come nobody ever mentions that you can actually watch the launcher draw the graphics? Doesn't that bother anyone else besides me?

[OcellNuri]

I know it doesn't help you, but Zlauncher comes up instantly on my NX. I don't really remember the drawing being very slow on my NR. It was enough that I noticed a big difference when I went to the NX though.

[abe214]

Originally posted by atomicCLIE
How come nobody ever mentions that you can actually watch the launcher draw the graphics? Doesn't that bother anyone else besides me?

I'm using ZL on my T665 and has no problems with ZL. Am just wondering, my brother has the same problem with ZL on his SJ30. I immediately saw that he hadn't disabled hi-res support for ZL. Turned it off and his ZL now works like a charm! No more "redraw" problem.

Cheers!


aBe:D

[Griff]

The only slowness I ever noticed was when I had auto-scan card, or whatever it is, on. Since I turned it off, it works fine.

With 2.22, I do notice a slightly slower redraw, but it's not major.

[SuperSaiyan]

With auto-sync off and hires support for ZL unchecked, 2.22 has no noticeable redraw lag on my NR.

[sdkat2]

Originally posted by atomicCLIE
How come nobody ever mentions that you can actually watch the launcher draw the graphics? Doesn't that bother anyone else besides me?

I had this problem a long time ago and it was resolved by adding Zlauncher to the SwitchDash exeption list. You would have to do the same if you are using Hi-Res assist.

[fengwei007]

Originally posted by abe214


I'm using ZL on my T665 and has no problems with ZL. Am just wondering, my brother has the same problem with ZL on his SJ30. I immediately saw that he hadn't disabled hi-res support for ZL. Turned it off and his ZL now works like a charm! No more "redraw" problem.

Cheers!


aBe:D

Do you mean I should disable the Hi-Res support for ZLauncher? Usually I set all apps hi-res enabled. BTW, I'm using an SJ30, ZL obviously have the lag "redraw" problem, especially compare to LauncherX.

Will there be any side effect if I disable the hi-res support for ZL? Anyone can confirm that for me please? I'm a new ZL user, have been using LX until yesterday

Thanks a lot.

[bobbd]

Originally posted by MikeLang
Where can I find it? I like to give it a try.
I asked ZZTechs about beta confidentiality. Being in the software industry, I know that some companies don't like to spread beta information around until close to release because features can change. Of course ZZTechs isn't like that. Here's what they sent back to me.
Actually there's no confidentiality in this version. We don't publish
it is just because it's not been well tested. If someone is interested in testing the new beta, you can send him/her a copy, or he/she can send an email to us to request a copy.
However, if one owns and runs the new beta, he/she has duty reporting to us any bug he/she found.
If you'd like to try it, send them an e-mail. Please don't ask me to e-mail it, I can't use my current e-mail for that. I've been playing with it for a day and it's stable on my T665. YMMV.

Bob

[mikegehl]

Originally posted by fengwei007


Do you mean I should disable the Hi-Res support for ZLauncher? Usually I set all apps hi-res enabled. BTW, I'm using an SJ30, ZL obviously have the lag "redraw" problem, especially compare to LauncherX.

Will there be any side effect if I disable the hi-res support for ZL? Anyone can confirm that for me please? I'm a new ZL user, have been using LX until yesterday

Thanks a lot.
You only need to enable hi-res support for apps that don't display correctly on the screen. Hi Res Assist is for apps that don't contain native hi-res support. Most apps do, so you shouldn't have to add them to the list at all.

[hansschmucker]

It seems The HRassistent draws four pixels in software if it displays a lowres image, while by default, the standard pixeldoubler works hardware-supported.
(I guess this is also the reason why you can see vertical lines when HRAssist is enabled). About the beta.... guess I ask them about it, since Filez has some nast bugs on my NX when accessing files that exist in both: RAM and ROM

[Tixx]

Originally posted by SuperSaiyan
With auto-sync off and hires support for ZL unchecked, 2.22 has no noticeable redraw lag on my NR.

It was pretty slow on my 615 too.

[sebring]

For those interested in beta testing v2.30, I received the following from ZZTechs this morning.

"I just updated the new beta which fixes some issue, and uploaded
it to our website.
You can download it from the below link:
http://www.zztechs.com/download/ZL230b1.zip

Please note, if you know someone is interested in testing the beta of
v2.30,
you can tell him/her the download link. Once he/she owns and runs this
new beta, he/she has duty reporting to us any bug he/she found.
Also, any suggestion or question on ZLauncher is welcome."

I've found it to be very stable so far.

Enjoy

[Tixx]

Originally posted by sebring
For those interested in beta testing v2.30, I received the following from ZZTechs this morning.

"I just updated the new beta which fixes some issue, and uploaded
it to our website.
You can download it from the below link:
http://www.zztechs.com/download/ZL230b1.zip

Please note, if you know someone is interested in testing the beta of
v2.30,
you can tell him/her the download link. Once he/she owns and runs this
new beta, he/she has duty reporting to us any bug he/she found.
Also, any suggestion or question on ZLauncher is welcome."

I've found it to be very stable so far.

Enjoy

Thanks Sebring:)

[sebring]

Tixx, the "Tab Panel" is the ML style tab rows that I emailed you the pic of before.:)

[Tixx]

Originally posted by sebring
Tixx, the "Tab Panel" is the ML style tab rows that I emailed you the pic of before.:)

Oh! There it is in the ZL Prefs. I was not able to find what you were talking about at first. Cool:) The file manager is not quite McFile, but for a first attempt it its nice so far.

[Tixx]

I take some of that back, this file manager is better than I first thought:)

[hansschmucker]

would it require much work to add the Filez attrib-editor functions into the filemanager? I work a lot with locked databases, and a filemanager which doesn't allow setting of backup/copy protected/read-only is of little use to me

[sebring]

The File Manager does kinda grow on ya. There doesn't seem to be any way to change attributes for files though. It is still impressive for a beta 1, better than a lot of final release stuff.

[hansschmucker]

sebring: I agree on that. It IS nice and I love ZZ for including it. Still I would love to see the zl filemanager replace filez on my device

[sebring]

Actually, some attributes can be edited from the file "info" screen on MS, but not RAM. This one is getting close to being able to replace filez and McFile.

[SuperSaiyan]

This is the first file manager I've seen that comes close to making me consider removing McFile. I might be able to do that with the full 2.30 release......hmmmm.

BTW.... in list view, is there a way to hide the "creator" and "type" columns?

[bobbd]

You can edit attributes in the File Manager. Go to the Info display for a file. beside Attrs you'll see a box with the attributes. Tap it. Up pops the details. You can check or uncheck the boxes, click OK and then click Save. Beauty. Can't do that with dates yet.

Bob

[hansschmucker]

Thanks, somehow I've forgotten all about it. now I can say goodbye to filez for simple attribute changes. Yay!!!

[hansschmucker]

Now all I need is a filter dialogue like in Filez

[bobbd]

Originally posted by SuperSaiyan
BTW.... in list view, is there a way to hide the "creator" and "type" columns?

I assume you're talking about "launcher" mode versus File Manager mode. I don't think so, but e-mail ZZTechs and I'm sure they'll put it on the list. While you're at it, you might ask for the columns to be variable in list mode.

Something I'm going to ask for is a filter in the File Manager. I couldn't find one.

Bob

[hansschmucker]

they said they were looking for ideas, so here's one:
http://hansschmucker.no-ip.biz/Clie/zidea.gif

[hansschmucker]

A word of comment:
1. Antialiased text on single-color backgrounds (more or less putting grey-scale images with a custom palette where a character is supposed to be
2. Split view for files and directories
3.Alias strings / icons for extensions/types
(like .prc equals PalmProgram, appl equals application and both get an icon assigned)

[Tixx]

Originally posted by hansschmucker
A word of comment:
1. Antialiased text on single-color backgrounds (more or less putting grey-scale images with a custom palette where a character is supposed to be
2. Split view for files and directories
3.Alias strings / icons for extensions/types
(like .prc equals PalmProgram, appl equals application and both get an icon assigned)

Good Suggestions:)

[bobbd]

Originally posted by hansschmucker
they said they were looking for ideas
Cool. E-mail them with the suggestion. And suggest small fonts as well so you can get lots on the screen.

Maybe in 2.4/2.5.

Bob

[hansschmucker]

Great, it turns to the next page just after the picture. Here's a little more graphical demostration of my ideas:
http://hansschmucker.no-ip.biz/Clie/zidea.gif

[Tixx]

They need a garget bar icon to launch it.

[n2ifp]

Ah, finally got me a copy and I am thrilled to death with it so far.

The new file manager addition is totally awesome! It's enough where I can honestly say that it will blow McFile right out of the water. So far no smoke, but as fast as it runs, there should be...

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Tixx
They need a garget bar icon to launch it.

Yes, most definitely need a gadget Icon :)!

[sebring]

Well, I've gone cold turkey and deleted both Filez and McFile. Now we'll see if I ever miss them.

I use the Tools gadget and it's a little more convenient than the main menu and also use it to access Theme Manager.

Only saves me about 230k since I had an old, smaller copy of McFile.

[MikeLang]

Originally posted by sebring
Tixx, the "Tab Panel" is the ML style tab rows that I emailed you the pic of before.:)

I saw it but the tab panel didn't stay on the screen. It appears only when I cliicked on the upper right icon. Is there a way to make the whole tab panel stay on the top of the screen?
Thanks.
-Mike-

[Anita]

Question on this beta -- there's a little hatch-type mark beside some of the files. Based on the files and apps it flags, it's a ROM flag, am I right?

I just installed the beta and I REALLY like the file manager. Love the multiple sort and display options. Might like to see it in smaller fonts but that's picking nits.

Hmmm, I can't get Yishow to open any more, it forces a soft reset. Don't suppose ZZtechs added a little Yishow disabler in this beta? <g>

Since I did something stupid last night that forced me into a hard reset (which I then bungled as well), I'll assume that's the culprit, unless someone else reports YiShow trouble with the Zlauncher beta. I just wanted to see if YiShow had that sort option. FileZ, which is what I've been using, sure doesn't.

Now, time to use this beta to find out what ate up 300-500K of my memory after I did that hard reset. . . .

Anita

[bobbd]

Don't know that I'd want the tab panel to stay. It takes up a lot of screen real estate. Personally I'm waiting for tabs on the right.

Yes, Anita, the little hatch mark is the ROM indicator. They use the same icon when you ask for the ROM tag in Icon Setup. They're almost too small, but then they don't take up space either.

That's one (more) thing ZLauncher's file manager has over FileZ, it lets you look at ROM files only, rather than in combination with RAM.

Sebring, is there anything in McFile that ZLauncher can't do? I know you can't edit file dates or apply a filter like you can in FileZ.

Bob

[sebring]

Bob, I'm not a good one to ask about McFile, since my version was an old one. Version 1.13, the last freeware version. My version had quite a few limitations, but was much more user friendly for moving files around than Filez. That's why I kept both on my Clie. ZLauncher's file manager seems to cover about 98% of what I used the two for.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by n2ifp


Yes, most definitely need a gadget Icon :)!

I guess the "setup list" gadget icon can be used for now. I went to use it for theme manager and where theme manager used to be on the list was the file manager which i went into accidentally.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by Anita


Now, time to use this beta to find out what ate up 300-500K of my memory after I did that hard reset. . . .

Anita

I hate when stuff like that happens. I feel for you:)

[rldunn]

Originally posted by bobbd
Sebring, is there anything in McFile that ZLauncher can't do? I know you can't edit file dates or apply a filter like you can in FileZ.McFile still has a little nicer interface. For example, you can set McFile up to give you the option to Move, Move (Palm), Copy, Copy (Palm), etc for files on the MS, so if you want to copy or move it to the Palm, you only have to tap once, not tap, then choose the directory. Also, McFile gives you the option to display files from a specific creator group, which is nice when you are trying to identify what app a particular file belongs to. With ZL, you can sort by Creator, but it's a little easier to see only a single group. But, those are pretty small things. It's amazing how good the ZL file manager is!!

[PDH LA]

I, too, am impressed with the file manager. If it would allow me to change file attributes, I'd be ready to delete McFile from my clie, freeing up 200K of memory.

I didn't think a file manager should be a part of a launcher, but this one's so good I think I'm changing my mind.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by PDH LA
I, too, am impressed with the file manager. If it would allow me to change file attributes, I'd be ready to delete McFile from my clie, freeing up 200K of memory.

I didn't think a file manager should be a part of a launcher, but this one's so good I think I'm changing my mind.

It certainly does allow you to change attributes. Tap on info and in the center of the dialogue box where the attributes are, tap there.

[abe214]

I liked the this new feature having the option "Tap Tab Title to tab properties" under the display setup. No more accidental double taps!

Another new feature is the ability to rearrange your Favorites under Quick Launch setup.

Great work ZZTech!

[PDH LA]

Originally posted by n2ifp


It certainly does allow you to change attributes. Tap on info and in the center of the dialogue box where the attributes are, tap there.

Indeed it does! Excellent - and bye bye McFile.

[bobbd]

Originally posted by PDH LA
I didn't think a file manager should be a part of a launcher, but this one's so good I think I'm changing my mind.

Go talk to Microsoft:D

My only issue is that it takes a few seconds to load on my T665. I've suggested to ZZTechs that they spend a release to focus on load times and size.

I had McFile for a while but my trial ran out. I found I didn't use it enough to justify buying it, not with FileZ around.

Bob

[n2ifp]

Speed is not an issue on the NX. Size is inline with other launchers. Now I have 4 file managers and I have used McFile exstensively, but ZL will replace all the others now. Having a file manager in the launcher just seems like a natural extension. Now all I need is a widescreen browser and email client.

[boomer]

I have not been able to figure out how to disable the built in file manager for PiDirect.

&nbsp;

Without being able to do this the file manager always shows all the files in RAM and PiDirect in the file list.&nbsp; [note - the available RAM is correct]

&nbsp;

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[n2ifp]

First, you go into the PiDirect app and select disable. Then you'll see an additional menu in the lower right-hand portion of the screen(I don't remember what it is called). Select your app that you want to disable when you access it by choosing what looks like a yellow lightning bolt. Re-enable PiDirect and your done.

[boomer]

I've tried that - but it wouldn't work.&nbsp; There is no option to disable just the file manager, only all of ZLauncher.&nbsp; I&nbsp;can't do that [disable the entire app] as I have the icon and theme files in PiDirect to recover some RAM space.&nbsp;

&nbsp;

This is a nice full featured launcher, but it takes up more than 1 MB of RAM [if I leave it all in RAM].&nbsp;

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by boomer
I've tried that - but it wouldn't work.&nbsp; There is no option to disable just the file manager, only all of ZLauncher.&nbsp; I&nbsp;can't do that [disable the entire app] as I have the icon and theme files in PiDirect to recover some RAM space.&nbsp;

&nbsp;

This is a nice full featured launcher, but it takes up more than 1 MB of RAM [if I leave it all in RAM].&nbsp;

Now I understand, your other post confused me, sorry. Your right, there is probably no way to do that. With the NX, I can't use PiDirect anyway, so it's a non-issue for me and others who have NX's or NZ's. All other model clies, it's a different story. Unfortunately, PiTech decided that upgrading PiDirect for OS5 devices wasn't worth their trouble. All the other launchers take up as much or more space, especially if one wants all the eye candy, like me:).

[sebring]

Originally posted by boomer
I've tried that - but it wouldn't work.&nbsp; There is no option to disable just the file manager, only all of ZLauncher.&nbsp; I&nbsp;can't do that [disable the entire app] as I have the icon and theme files in PiDirect to recover some RAM space.&nbsp;

&nbsp;

This is a nice full featured launcher, but it takes up more than 1 MB of RAM [if I leave it all in RAM].&nbsp;

I assume you mean the current icon and theme file, because ZLauncher Theme Manager is bettet than PiDirect for storing alternate icons and themes on MS. Also, you can save almost as much space by eliminating any other file managers.

I use MSMount and have ZLauncher in it's "non-compatible apps list" and everything works great.

[boomer]

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1 - In what way is the Theme manager better than PiDirect?&nbsp; I am a little confused!!

2 - Do you mean that you have the ZL .prc on the stick via MSMount?

3 - I have deleted other launchers already, or have them 'just in case' in the /launcher folder

[rldunn]

Originally posted by abe214
Another new feature is the ability to rearrange your Favorites under Quick Launch setup.Yes, I like this one too. So much better then the old method of having to delete and re-add in the right order.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by boomer
&nbsp;

1 - In what way is the Theme manager better than PiDirect?&nbsp; I am a little confused!!

2 - Do you mean that you have the ZL .prc on the stick via MSMount?

3 - I have deleted other launchers already, or have them 'just in case' in the /launcher folder

He is thinking that your main problem was the size of ZL! Your original query was how to disable PiDirect while using the new ZL file manager. The Theme manager in ZL is fine if you use multiple themes, so in that particular instance he is correct.

[Anita]

I was NOT able to make a Smartlist database launchable with the Zlauncher manager. . . checking the launchable attributes. The checkmark would not hold. (i.e., when I opened up file attributes again, "Launchable" was not checked).

It did launch with FileZ.

Has anyone else tried this? Is this simply a feature that's not yet available or should I report it to ZZtechs?

Anita

[werul]

Originally posted by Anita
I was NOT able to make a Smartlist database launchable with the Zlauncher manager. . . checking the launchable attributes. The checkmark would not hold. (i.e., when I opened up file attributes again, "Launchable" was not checked).

It did launch with FileZ.

Has anyone else tried this? Is this simply a feature that's not yet available or should I report it to ZZtechs?

Anita

When you checked the "Launchable", tap the "Done" Button and in the following screen tap the "Save" button. You´ll be asked if you want to save all changes, tap "OK" and..........you have your SmartList appearing in ZL.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Anita
I was NOT able to make a Smartlist database launchable with the Zlauncher manager. . . checking the launchable attributes. The checkmark would not hold. (i.e., when I opened up file attributes again, "Launchable" was not checked).

It did launch with FileZ.

Has anyone else tried this? Is this simply a feature that's not yet available or should I report it to ZZtechs?

Anita

Did you tap on save before tapping on okay? I first ran into a similar problem, I then found I was hitting okay and it didn't take, until I had hit save.

[Anita]

That was it! I did OK instead of save. Thanks.

That's great. Exit FileZ

Anita

[tanker_bob]

I've been testing the new beta for a couple of days and sent in a detailed list of suggestions. This file manager launches significantly faster than McFile on my T665C. McFile as a pure file manager does more, including text viewing, but as a package ZLauncher does more than any file manager--just not from the same screen. Too much duplication from the launcher to the file manager portion would bloat the code too much.

I've only found two bugs, but both are unique to starting up with the new file manager for the first time. Neither had any lasting effect. Incredibly stable for a first beta. :)

[cbulock]

I would like to use just the built-in file manager and dump Filez and McFile, but one question I have is, is it normal for ZLauncher to not work on a warm reset. Every time I warm reset, it says it can't load the theme and it closes. No big deal, but if I'm going to use ZLauncher for my file manager I will need to have it work on a warm reset. I guess I could always use Clie File.

[tanker_bob]

Warm resets disable the hi res library and function. I had the same problem with MegaLauncher. ZLauncher itself works fine in low res, but the themes are resolution-specific. No real way around that. I'll probably keep McFile around for just that reason.

I have the Memory Stick with my apps and data set to Autoload the built-in launcher when inserted. That way if I have to warm reset without recourse, all I do is pop the MS out first, reset, then pop the MS in to get the built-in launcher. I get to McFile or Filez from there. I don't see a way around that with the current implementation, although I'll write to ZZTechs about it. You bring up an excellent point.

[Anita]

Originally posted by tanker_bob
I have the Memory Stick with my apps and data set to Autoload the built-in launcher when inserted.
How do you do that?

Anita

[tanker_bob]

Originally posted by Anita

How do you do that?

Anita
I went into MSAutoRun and set LauncherCW as my launch app. It then writes a file to the MS that associates that particular MS with executing the selected app. I did the same thing to auto start Audio Player when I insert my MP3 MS. MSAutoRun comes in the ROM of Sony Clies.

[tanker_bob]

BTW, has anyone noticed that CardInfo causes a fatal exception when run under the new ZL beta? It's perfectly reproduceable here. CardInfo works fine from the built-in launcher.

[cbulock]

Originally posted by tanker_bob
BTW, has anyone noticed that CardInfo causes a fatal exception when run under the new ZL beta? It's perfectly reproduceable here. CardInfo works fine from the built-in launcher.

Nope, on my unit the CardInfo works just fine.

[tanker_bob]

Hmmmm. Thanks for the feedback.

That's one to handle tomorrow. :(

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by tanker_bob
BTW, has anyone noticed that CardInfo causes a fatal exception when run under the new ZL beta? It's perfectly reproduceable here. CardInfo works fine from the built-in launcher.

No problem here either, sorry.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by tanker_bob

I went into MSAutoRun and set LauncherCW as my launch app. It then writes a file to the MS that associates that particular MS with executing the selected app. I did the same thing to auto start Audio Player when I insert my MP3 MS. MSAutoRun comes in the ROM of Sony Clies.

FYI, the NX series Clies no longer have MSAutoRun. Probably due to the new OS5 Palm platform.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by cbulock
I would like to use just the built-in file manager and dump Filez and McFile, but one question I have is, is it normal for ZLauncher to not work on a warm reset. Every time I warm reset, it says it can't load the theme and it closes. No big deal, but if I'm going to use ZLauncher for my file manager I will need to have it work on a warm reset. I guess I could always use Clie File.

I will keep Filez, it has one feature that the ZL file manager doesn't. Filez has a HEX Editor that&nbsp;none of the others have.

[Anita]

Originally posted by tanker_bob

I went into MSAutoRun and set LauncherCW as my launch app. It then writes a file to the MS that associates that particular MS with executing the selected app. I did the same thing to auto start Audio Player when I insert my MP3 MS. MSAutoRun comes in the ROM of Sony Clies.
How much space does that take up? I have a 64MB memstick that I use just for backups and was wondering if I could put that on there. That's a little like having a boot floppy, could come in handy.

Other question -- so every time you put the stick in with the default launcher files, it switches to the default launcher? Or only when Zlauncher isn't working or you're in "safe mode"?

(I have never had this problem with Zlauncher because my little mess-ups -- usually conflicting datebook items I've edited on both PC and handheld -- have always required a hard reset -- OTOH, I haven't thought to do a warm reset.)

Anita

[tanker_bob]

The file takes just 255 bytes on the MS. It just auto-executes LauncherCW which is in ROM, so doesn't take significant space on the MS.

Every time I put that particular MS in my T665C, it auto-starts the default launcher. That isn't a big deal to me, because I never take the stick out except infrequently to play MP3s.

[PDH LA]

Originally posted by tanker_bob
BTW, has anyone noticed that CardInfo causes a fatal exception when run under the new ZL beta? It's perfectly reproduceable here. CardInfo works fine from the built-in launcher.

Cardinfo works fine with the beta on my NR70V.

[sebring]

Cardinfo works fine on my NR also, with the beta. I do get a fatal exception if I select info for a file on MS, in File Manager, and the MS tab is hidden. Other than that, I haven't noticed any problems.

[tanker_bob]

Thanks for all the replies. CardInfo gives a fatal reset every time in ZLauncher, but never outside ZLauncher. I shall investigate further...

[tanker_bob]

Well, I had moved CardInfo from ROM to my MS using JackSprat. While it works fine everywhere else from the card, for some reason it doesn't like executing from the card in ZLauncher. I don't really need it for anything, but that's a curious mystery.

[Tixx]

Originally posted by tanker_bob
Hmmmm. Thanks for the feedback.

That's one to handle tomorrow. :(

No problem here either TB.

[werul]

CardInfo works perfectly here (T675C).

But I can´t delete a tab anymore. Always when I try to delete a tab I get a fatal exeption and have to do a reset. Haven´t figured out what´s wrong or if I´m missing something.

Anyone else? (Or a hint how to handle this?)

[rldunn]

I found another bug that I haven't seen reported. If I do a T&H on an icon and choose Move To ... and then select a directory on the MS, it moves fine but then my screen doesn't recognize any screen taps. The VG area still works though, so I can use that to launch McPhling, switch to another app, then go back to ZL and it works fine. A soft reset also works.

Anyone else seeing this one?

[sebring]

rldunn, do you have the problem when your MS tab is NOT hidden. I've encountered a few issues moving file and selecting info for a file on MS IF the MS tab is hidden.

As long as the MS tab is NOT hidden, I don't seem to have any problems.

I can't reproduce the problem you described on my NR.

[squeff]

Maybe I'm missing this, but the one thing that I can't seem to find in ZLauncher is the ability to see a collapsable tree, based on the application. For example, I want to be able to see "Datebook" and then be able to open that up and see the DB files that go with Datebook. This has proven to be a useful feature for me when using other launchers (e.g., Megalauncher). Once zLauncher has this as part of the new file manager (or as a seperate view), I can see no reason for me to not switch from Megalauncher.

[sebring]

Originally posted by squeff
Maybe I'm missing this, but the one thing that I can't seem to find in ZLauncher is the ability to see a collapsable tree, based on the application. For example, I want to be able to see "Datebook" and then be able to open that up and see the DB files that go with Datebook. This has proven to be a useful feature for me when using other launchers (e.g., Megalauncher). Once zLauncher has this as part of the new file manager (or as a seperate view), I can see no reason for me to not switch from Megalauncher.

You can accomplish basically the same thing by sorting your files by creator ID in the File Manager. That is one slight advantage ML has over ZL, but the creator sort is a satisfactory substitute, IMO.

There is also an option in ZL File Manager called Select Group, that doesn't seem to do anything right now, but sounds like it may do what you are looking for, when implemented.

[sebring]

Originally posted by werul
CardInfo works perfectly here (T675C).

But I can´t delete a tab anymore. Always when I try to delete a tab I get a fatal exeption and have to do a reset. Haven´t figured out what´s wrong or if I´m missing something.

Anyone else? (Or a hint how to handle this?)

Deleting tabs works on my NR, with no apparent problems.

[bobbd]

Originally posted by sebring
There is also an option in ZL File Manager called Select Group, that doesn't seem to do anything right now, but sounds like it may do what you are looking for, when implemented.

Actually it does work now but doesn't quite do what we'd like. For example, show the Type attribute in the right hand column and tap/hold on an application (appl). Now tap Select Group. All of the applications are selected. You can do the same with Creator.

Grouping the selected group together so you can see sizes etc is tricky if possible at all. I'd still prefer to be able to highlight the main app and see all of the subordinate files.

Hopefully everyone who has found a bug or who has a suggestion/idea is e-mailing ZZTechs. This is the feedback they need and want.

Bob

[tanker_bob]

If you have the file manager sorted by creator ID, select the one by tapping its icon, then tap select group, all the files around it with that same creator ID will be selected. Kinda like a bulk uninstall, except that the Preference files would be unaffected. Very slick!

I, too, miss ML's info display in the launcher that lists all databases associated along with each application, sorted by application name by default. However, the sorting of the ZL file manager by creator ID provides similar but not as elegant capability. It just takes more taps to get the same result. McFile does the same thing, except on the card where neither McFile or Filez display the creator ID or sort on it. That's a big leg up for ZL's file manager, IMO.

[tanker_bob]

Originally posted by werul
CardInfo works perfectly here (T675C).

But I can´t delete a tab anymore. Always when I try to delete a tab I get a fatal exeption and have to do a reset. Haven´t figured out what´s wrong or if I´m missing something.

Anyone else? (Or a hint how to handle this?)
No problems deleting tabs here. I even tried a hidden one and had no problems. Was the tab empty?

[rldunn]

Originally posted by sebring
rldunn, do you have the problem when your MS tab is NOT hidden. I've encountered a few issues moving file and selecting info for a file on MS IF the MS tab is hidden.

As long as the MS tab is NOT hidden, I don't seem to have any problems.

I can't reproduce the problem you described on my NR. My MS tab is NOT hidden. Anyone else with an NX seeing this?

[cbulock]

Originally posted by rldunn
My MS tab is NOT hidden. Anyone else with an NX seeing this?

Yea, I have the same problem. I e-mailed ZZTechs on Friday night about it, and they are working on fixing it.

[cbulock]

I noticed that a few apps don't have a problem with that though. Kinu-maru and HRCaptDM both work fine on my system. Just about everything else doesn't.

[Alistar]

I noticed that the launcher does not correctly round or do numbers on the interface. For example my free space left is read as 4.10 where it should 5. If I delete something to shove it 5.1 then reinstall it, it will go to 5.0.
Basically approaching the zero from below (4.9-4.10) creates this but approaching zero from above (5.1-5.0) doesn't. It really doesn't affect anything, just thought I'd mention it.

[rldunn]

Originally posted by cbulock


Yea, I have the same problem. I e-mailed ZZTechs on Friday night about it, and they are working on fixing it. I emailed ZZtechs on Friday about it too, and they sent me some questions about it today. I wasn't sure from their questions if they had had anyone else report it, so that's why I asked. Maybe it's only Michigan NX's that have it :)

[sebring]

Those Michigan NXs have always been problematic.:D

[Tixx]

Originally posted by tanker_bob
If you have the file manager sorted by creator ID, select the one by tapping its icon, then tap select group, all the files around it with that same creator ID will be selected. Kinda like a bulk uninstall, except that the Preference files would be unaffected. Very slick!

I, too, miss ML's info display in the launcher that lists all databases associated along with each application, sorted by application name by default. However, the sorting of the ZL file manager by creator ID provides similar but not as elegant capability. It just takes more taps to get the same result. McFile does the same thing, except on the card where neither McFile or Filez display the creator ID or sort on it. That's a big leg up for ZL's file manager, IMO.

I miss all that too:)

[n2ifp]

I was wondering if ZZ Tech would be interested in developing a decent widescreen HiRes web browser?

I Love the new file manager, I use it several times a day;)!

I agree, the creator ID on the MS is something I surely can use. Prior to that, I would have to move files to RAM in order to see the creator ID. For most of my everyday operations, it's great:)!

ZLauncher rocks!

[rldunn]

I just wish there was a better way to launch it. Now I'm using the Popup Setup list gadget, then hitting File Manager, but I would like a single-tap gadget for this like LX has.

[Mr Sheen]

Originally posted by rldunn
I just wish there was a better way to launch it. Now I'm using the Popup Setup list gadget, then hitting File Manager, but I would like a single-tap gadget for this like LX has.


I second that,

Sheen

[davidbrit2]

Yay! Tab rearrangement! That and new directory creation on the memory stick are the only things it's lacking, and I won't be surprised if both features show up. ZLauncher rules.

[sebring]

Tab rearrangement is simple with the tab panel. Just drag and drop the tabs in the order you want. And File Manager does create new directories on MS. Just tap the menu icon and, under File, select create directory.

I have deleted McFile and Filez. This file manager has the ease of use of McFile and the most important power features of Filez.

[tanker_bob]

You can rearrange the tabs by tapping and dragging them to new locations, either the tabs themselves for the new tab panel. And you can create new directories on the card. With the directory displayed that you want to add a new sub into, go to Menu/Create Directory.

[davidbrit2]

Hey, there we go. I never noticed the tab rearrangement since I use the compact mode UI. That one doesn't allow drag and drop in the category pull down. But all is well now.

[deeps]

New ver installed and running on my NX70v a'ok.

Niiiccce :cool:

[sebring]

Tixx, are you board?:D

[tanker_bob]

Naw, he's just going against the grain. :)

[deeps]

lol - lets get those posts up heh!

[tanker_bob]

Originally posted by deeps
lol - lets get those posts up heh!
I'm floored that you would think that... :)

[sebring]

Originally posted by tanker_bob

I'm floored that you would think that... :)

I wooden't even think of that. Besides I could never catch Tixx.:rolleyes:

[volcanopele]

So far so good with this beta. My only gripe is that files from PiDirect show up in the RAM file listing in the file manager with no tag showing that it is in PiDirect. I would be perfectly satisfied with a rom tag. That way I would know I can't mess with it. I can't just tell PiDirect to disable and rescan because that would cause that behavior for all of ZLauncher.

Other than that the new file manager look good and I haven't had any major problems with it. I will likely remove McFile once the feature becomes finalized.

Jason

[sebring]

Originally posted by volcanopele
So far so good with this beta. My only gripe is that files from PiDirect show up in the RAM file listing in the file manager with no tag showing that it is in PiDirect. I would be perfectly satisfied with a rom tag. That way I would know I can't mess with it. I can't just tell PiDirect to disable and rescan because that would cause that behavior for all of ZLauncher.

Other than that the new file manager look good and I haven't had any major problems with it. I will likely remove McFile once the feature becomes finalized.

Jason

Jason, I use MSMount and have set MSMount to disable for ZLauncher and it seems to work fine. All my apps that access files in my MSMount directory still access them, when launched from ZLauncher. There seem to be no ill effects.

[Tixx]

Damn! You guys are just the comic relief section now aren't you.:D*LOL*

[volcanopele]

Originally posted by sebring


Jason, I use MSMount and have set MSMount to disable for ZLauncher and it seems to work fine. All my apps that access files in my MSMount directory still access them, when launched from ZLauncher. There seem to be no ill effects. Yes, but I also have a couple of apps in my PiDirect directory, such as Adobe Acrobat reader. For those I can't disable PiDirect.

One solution is to make the file manager a different file, like the ZLauncher Manager and the Reader plug-in. That way I can just have PiDirect disable for the file manager app but have it active in the main ZLauncher program.

Jason

[bobbd]

I think what Sebring was suggesting was to disable ZLauncher in PiDirect. That's what we do in MSMount. If you disable an application in MSMount, then that application doesn't see the memory stick storage as (virtual) RAM. Does PiDirect have the same ability?

Bob

[tanker_bob]

Yes it does, but volcanopele is saying that you will lose visibility in the launcher to the apps that are in PiDirect. I have some apps that have huge data files inside the app itself and work great in PiDirect, but would disappear if I disabled ZLauncher in PiDirect. Your system would probably work OK for databases, but not for apps.

[bobbd]

Gotcha. That's what I do, leave the apps in RAM and put the big databases on MS via MSMount.

Would a shortcut work? Put the app and database on the MS with PiDirect and create a shortcut in ZLauncher so you can see the app.

Bob