Looks like the PPC camp is catching up

[Importluva]

Toshiba just announced their new model with a built in camera with flash. I wonder what battery life will be like on this device? The camera has the same res as the clie NX @ 310,000 pixels.

[Shogmaster]

Wake me up when they put a screen better than 320x240.

[rhart00]

Originally posted by Shogmaster
Wake me up when they put a screen better than 320x240.

I have to agree with that.

[davy19]

still dont beat the NZ90

[robrecht]

Originally posted by davy19
still dont beat the NZ90

It does in terms of having a real CF-slot and in compactness.

[exiii]

If you know me, you know I love the T form factor. And I had to do a double take when that smaller $299 HP Ipaq came out. SD/no CF, but it's tiny - and to me, that's 60% of the decision.

Of course the resolution could be up'd a bit, but it's got a very bright screen. If sony doesn't come out with a T with virtual grafitti soon, I may go that way.

[Flash-57]

> still dont beat the NZ90

It won't take too long. I mean, deep down, we all know that PPC will become the dominant industry standard. It probably won't be next year, but it might be five or ten years. Palm will never go away, but will only be used by a stubborn and angry minority.

I'm sure of this because I'm not typing this on a Mac, Atari, or Commodore.

[nevarDeath]

Originally posted by davemohan


Reality can be SO annoying!
True dat

Originally posted by exiii
If you know me, you know I love the T form factor. And I had to do a double take when that smaller $299 HP Ipaq came out. SD/no CF, but it's tiny - and to me, that's 60% of the decision.

Of course the resolution could be up'd a bit, but it's got a very bright screen. If sony doesn't come out with a T with virtual grafitti soon, I may go that way.

After having a device with SD and CF, I highly recommend you don't go with a device that has SD only! It's just not enough, having two card slots is incaluable, especially when one of them can use devices....

[ksjenkins]

Wake me up when they have more than a handfull of third party apps!! Not to mention a thinner O/S.

[hansschmucker]

Hmmm.... about the become standard thing. In my oppinion Microsoft has become the most important OS company because of two reasons:

1. They worked for IBM which supplied most typewriters and so on when the fist PCs came out. The average office boss is lazy. Usually, he won't test what's the better device or which is cheaper. He will stay with what he already knows.

2. MS was not as restrictive as Apple (at the time). They allowed everybody to write applications, drivers, devices and about everything else without having to ask THEM for permission first. That's why I think the biggest mistake MS could make was to include this driver verification in XP (I know, you could just click on Continue Anyway, but again the average user doesn't want to take any risk).

We have a similar situation here. especially Sony is too restrictive. If they continue that policy, as the most important PalmOS licensee when it comes to Multimedia, people might really end up switching to PPC. So... a word of advice to Sony... RELEASE THOSE GOD DAMN APIS!!!!

[davy19]

Originally posted by robrecht


It does in terms of having a real CF-slot and in compactness.


NZ90 is not too big to me..and CF slot, while it will be nice, is not a huge thing for me. Eventeually it looks like there will be drivers anyway

Truthfully the 128 memory stick has served me well and dont even see myself upgrading to any of the big sticks, I still have 90 megs free on my current stick.


Besides the PPC, runs off Micro$oft, and who wants to give them anymore money..they own and make enough things.

[Importluva]

I have to say that the PPC is going to try to become the standard. However, Sony has always been the company to almost "monopolize" the personal entertainment devices. With Sony on Palm's side, I don't think that MS will get to be the standard as soon. I personally hated the PPC2002 OS over all-it was good, but too unstable and slowed down if I didn't close down the programs I was in.

[eric2002]

are you kidding... big deal! Toshiba coming out with a 310,000 camera... they are playing "catch-up" and they still aren't even close to the NZ's 2,000,000 pixel camera!

I think Sony is doing the best job any company has in the PDA market. If it weren't for Sony Palm OS would be dead in my opinion. They are bringing entertainment to PDA's. I've yet to see a PPC that can do what the NZ can! --not even close!

[eric2002]

I know several PPC users who are eyeing my NZ, -and seriously considering to move from their IPAQ's to a Sony device.
Give it time, I think more and more people will be coming to the Sony camp.

[jmg_NX21]

NOT if these PPC's begin including BT, 2 VFS slots, LESS expensive alternatives.

Like hansschmucker was describing... MANY would just STAY with what they know, take FEW risks.

SONY cannot just rely on its BRAND.

[eric2002]

you are talking about hypothetical devices... currently PPC's best device has nothing that compares to Sony's best device.

Show me a PPC device that rivals or even matches the NZ90.

PPC is several HUGE steps behind Sony.

[kkerruish]

>>>It won't take too long. I mean, deep down, we all know that PPC will become the dominant industry standard. It probably won't be next year, but it might be five or ten years. Palm will never go away, but will only be used by a stubborn and angry minority.

I'll be that minority, until MS can produce a PDA operating system that lets me find a contact in 3 seconds, instead of 20.

Oh - keep in mind that the Pocket PCs are **VERY** fast when you pull them out of the box...no question. Load it up with 7-10 applications, and they start to crawl...for normal in-ram tasks.

Try for yourself...you'll see what I mean. The problem becomes even more apparent if you actually use your external media for anything other than data storage...

It's a registry thing...

[eric2002]

PPC's may be faster, but they are less stable... I can't stand the constant crashes the PPC's have!!
Sony is making HUGE leaps in the PDA business... how can you say that "deep down I know PPC will dominate the market"??? I think Sony is on it's way to dominating the market... I think PPC users will become fewer, as Sony continues to make superior products.
I know way more people at my work who use Clie's or Palm's than use PPC's.

[jmg_NX21]

I will be in the MINORITY to the end also *when microsoft buys off PalmOS & Apple :P*

THERE are so many people don't yet have a PDA, HOPEFULLY they will be convinced that their CELL phones are great all in ONE device *so long as these don't start running from some form of MicroBloat OS*

BUT there are users who are convinced of the Microbloat's concept of synergy =/

[Importluva]

I really don't think that PPC's are faster perse. They have faster clock speeds, but their OS seems to need more power to do the tasks. There was a thread over at Brighthand that one guy made about how his coworker ran circles around him with his NX, and the guy had an ipaq. He even had to reset it cuz it crashed. I dunno, I like them both, but for me, its NX or nothin. (Well thats not true cuz I need a pda :D)

[madkins007]

Of course, this is assuming that PDAs themselves survive the ever-chaging market! Palm and Pocket PC technology is only a few years old right now and honestly far behind the sales/acceptance curve everyone thought was going to happen.

It is very likely that the market will continue to shift from PDAs towards other technologies. Cell phones, for example, are obviously trying to take a big chunk of the market away. Personal wireless networks, micro-sized computers like the vapor-ware Obo (was that what it was called?) and similar technologies are also working to change the paradigm.

As for Palm vs. PPC- we, the informed buyers, know that there are differences and buy the machine or machines that fit our needs. The general public, however, buys for different reasons, such as advertising, displays, pricing, and salespeople.

Right now, cheap devices sell the best- the Zire, Sony SJ's, etc. As PPC prices drop, I predict they will outsell their price category because of name recognition, the idea that it 'is just like my home computer', 'prettier' displays (resolution be hanged- most buyers don't know what this is!), and because Microsoft usually is very effective at pushing their stuff.

The Palm OS's biggest enemies right now are: the public's ignorance of the differences, PPC's dropping prices, and the lack of general awareness of what a PDA is and what it can do for the average person.

[Caleb_pearson]

the problem with palm is that they don't do commercials, if they would advertise, I think more people would own a palm. ms doesn't really need a commercial as everyone knows who they are.

[FiloD]

It is more stability and simplicity for me with the applications that I need.

Who knows when the PPC will incorporate all the good things of the palm - then that is the time that I will consider. Right now, let the PPC people try to compete. Competition is always good for us the users

[ChuToy]

Better thank those cell phones! We were/are a PPC family. My husband wouldn't even look at a Palm device. He has TWO PPC 2002 devices. Then one day he comes home all excited about the Treo 300 Palm OS phone. I couldn't believe my ears--"YOU, excited about a PALM device?" So I told him go for it. He got one.

He still insists the PPC is "superior" more powerful, yada yada. But the one PPC got chucked into the closet. Blasted thing kept hard-resetting and killing all the data even though we flash upgraded it to supposedly stop that. The other PPC 2002, still is around and kicking, but one of the applications has slowed it down tremendously and hubby has tried and hasn't yet isolated the problem. Plus there's a ton of dust under that screen.

My own PPC--some application that SHOULD be shut down evidently is running somewhere behind my back and screwing up things. You think you've closed something and then learn you haven't--very annoying.

The humble little Treo gets carried everywhere and constantly used and played with. "Honey, you still like the PPC better?" "Oh yeah, it's more powerful." Uh-huh. So why was he drooling over the NX-70V with me a few weeks ago?

Currently he's drooling over the upcoming Hitachi Pocket PC Phone edition device. Superficially similar to the Treo, but with the MS operating system, a built in camera & MUCH larger form factor. I wonder if that thing is going to have any battery life to speak of, to be useful as a phone like the Treo is. It supposedly has a swappable battery. Nice but that may mean having to tote it around along with the device itself. I worry it will be a jack of all trades device and master of none. I don't think the camera will come close to touching the one on the NZ. But this device demonstrates that PPC is indeed trying to match and surpass the Palm offerings at every turn.

I honestly don't know if Palm devices constantly need soft and hard resets or if they slow to a crawl for no apparent reason. If they don't, then that's yet another area where PPC will need to catch up. Even the simpler, scaled down HP 1910 has given some users conniptions.

I WOULD like to see more Clies with user-replaceable batteries. IPAQ is going that way and it's a godsend to not have to ship your PDA off just to replace a battery. The HP 1910 demonstrates you can have user-replaceable batteries and maintain a thin, elegant form factor.

Clies also frustrate would-be converts because of lack of fully functional dual slots. I don't care if one is Memory Stick or both are, but one slot for data and the other for accessories would be nice. Dell Axim seems to be selling really well because it has swappable batteries, dual slots (CF & SD), a nice screen, and is inexpensive.

[Flash-57]

> Sony is making HUGE leaps in the PDA business...
> how can you say that "deep down I know PPC will
> dominate the market"???

Mostly because Microsoft does eventually dominate any computer market they care to. Look at the broswer wars. Once upon a time, Netscape was the dominant browser. MS put out a crappy browser. But, they've improved it steadily and been aggressive with promoting it and now they are dominant.

And that's in a market where neither party actually makes money from selling their product!

> I think Sony is on it's way to dominating the market...

No. Sony is only leading the market because they make a better product. They are hardly promoting their product and simply hoping that it survives by word of mouth.

That just aint enough. I see commercials and advertisements for the PPC all the time. Several times I've seen a guy down at the electronics store promoting the PPC. PPCs go on sale all the time, while the SONYs remain at list price for its entire shelf life.

As has been pointed out in this thread already, the vast majority of people who will buy a PDA in the near future will not know what they are doing and will just buy whatever seems good at the time. And that will be the one with the most publicity or the one on sale.

> I think PPC users will become fewer, as Sony
> continues to make superior products. I know way
> more people at my work who use Clie's or Palm's
> than use PPC's.

For now.

The PPCs will get better and MS will promote them heavily. They will slowly, but surely, gain.

[Importluva]

Sony has been pretty successful at making a name for themselves in the consumer portable electronics game. Sure, M$ is good with their software, but who knows, they dominate the computer market. When people think of computers, most think of a PC, not a mac or a linux based system. How about PDA's?? Everyone says "Oh is that a Palm Pilot?" No matter what the brand/type, people still think of PDA's as palm pilots. So they have the name recognition there. If it weren't for sony, then the PALM OS would be fading away at a rapid pace. Now that sony is in the game, they are in a tough competition with M$. Look at Playstation vs XBox. Playstation is still the de facto of video gaming systems, altho the Xbox is slowly catching up, but the people I have talked to who are big gamers all like PS2 better.

Now, I don't think that PPC's will dominate the PDA world. Not as long as Sony is there to innovate, and we all know that they have the best designs, as well as having a wide variety in their handheld line up.

[Unregistered]

Samsung may be a contender either as a WinCe device or as a Palm OS device. The current CE.net Nexio S160 has an unbelievable 5 inch wonder screen at 190 dpi with Wide VGA at 800x480. That´s 2 and a half hires+, or 15 old style palms at 160x160. It has optional clip on 2000mAh LiPol plus other accesories - see www.samsungnexio.com.

Now that Samsung has joined the Palm OS Ready program http://palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=5044 - what device might they conjure with such a screen. They will need to include omissions such as a second expansion slot, IR, BT, jogwheel, maybe more hardware buttons, built in stand for the optional keyboard.

Anyway, their current device is available in HK, and from HK via ebay by what appears to a retailer expanding sales to the internet. It is great as a wireless internet device with built in WiFi. It is essentially a sized down tablet PC. Coming from the NX70V, this device has satisfied my wish for a much higher resolution device. It is at the limits of readability for the smaller fonts. If resolution were to increase, it would have to be those that are worn in front of the eye and magnified to a much larger virtual size. This is the device for those who want really hires - probably more familiar to use than linux on the Zaurus SL C700.

[Importluva]

that samsung looks big and like a handheld pc. However, it does look to be lighter than the NZ so who knows. Looks like a solid device.

[ScottLP]

"I'm sure of this because I'm not typing this on a Mac, Atari, or Commodore."

The reality is that given the dominant marketshare, and the available software and what I need it for (propriatary medical software that only works on windows) I am stuck with windows and cannot use a mac easily. However the situation is different in PDA land where the palm OS is dominant, has more software, and is easier to use. Given my needs for a PDA (I use dtbk4 lifebalance, handyshopper, etc) I have no interest in using PPCs and would not switch if you paid me.

[iebnn]

Originally posted by eric2002
you are talking about hypothetical devices... currently PPC's best device has nothing that compares to Sony's best device.

Show me a PPC device that rivals or even matches the NZ90.

PPC is several HUGE steps behind Sony.

Remember that the NZ is $800. The only PPC that is near this expensive is that ipaq that is $700, but it is terrible. Most of the "good" PPCs are around $300 to $500. You can get some very nice hardware for even $250 or so with PPC, while you'd have to spend $400-600 to get it with Palm OS.

Also, palm doesn't have built in Wifi *yet*. (toshiba has wifi, sd, and cf all available at the same time.... $275 after rebate. Oh, and a 400mhz xscale.)

and YES I KNOW that PPC OS sucks with xscale... that's besides the point though... sony has only 200mhz, and palm <200mhz. Its hardware is inferior in some ways.

[eric2002]

This is such a stupid argument. It's the whole Mac vs. PC thing... only this time it's Palm vs. PPC. It's too tiring to argue which is best.

each unit fits a specific users needs. I think both platforms will be around until PDA's can run windows OS or Mac OS, then it will still be the same argument! Basically both sides make some very nice PDA's each having their pro's and con's. ....it's up to you to decide which device has the most "pro's" for you and get that device!

[Importluva]

Originally posted by iebnn


Remember that the NZ is $800. The only PPC that is near this expensive is that ipaq that is $700, but it is terrible. Most of the "good" PPCs are around $300 to $500. You can get some very nice hardware for even $250 or so with PPC, while you'd have to spend $400-600 to get it with Palm OS.

Also, palm doesn't have built in Wifi *yet*. (toshiba has wifi, sd, and cf all available at the same time.... $275 after rebate. Oh, and a 400mhz xscale.)

and YES I KNOW that PPC OS sucks with xscale... that's besides the point though... sony has only 200mhz, and palm <200mhz. Its hardware is inferior in some ways.

Now how is it inferior? Sure, its 200 vs 400, but the clie doesn't need more to be faster than the PPCs. Also, the design of the NX is ingenious, as well as innovative.

[iebnn]

It is inferior in *some ways*. In other ways, it blows PPC away (ESPECIALLY in the OS department).

For one thing, the NZ seems to be pretty thick. Yes, some of you may say that you don't mind its thickness etc etc, but most people would rather have a thin/light PDA than a thick/heavier PDA. If you disregard the camera, you can get a PDA for around $300 that has internal wifi (comparable to internal BT), 64MB RAM (I know that apps take up more space on PPC, but I'm only talking about hardware here), 400mhz CPU, compact flash, SD, and thin/light. Going by the price for the hardware you get, PPC devices pretty clearly win (except for the displays of course, but that's more of an OS limitation). I *do* like the clamshell design a LOT though, and the NX is an amazing work of design, but it's still very expensive compared to PPCs.

Also... I know that a Palm doesn't need a 400Mhz xscale to be faster than PPCs (they're already faster at most things with even a 33mhz cpu). I'm simply saying that you get that better hardware in a device that is significantly cheaper.

Don't get me wrong... I love Palm OS. I don't own a PPC. I have no plans on replacing my NX with a PPC. I don't like its OS at all, and it runs noticably slow.

[buckethead]

Originally posted by iebnn

Also, palm doesn't have built in Wifi *yet*. (toshiba has wifi, sd, and cf all available at the same time.... $275 after rebate. Oh, and a 400mhz xscale.)


you can't argue with this one though. ;)

[davy19]

i dont think the NZ is thick at all...in all honesty i actually like the way it fits in my hand better then the NX70, it feels more sturdy and not too easy to drop.

[JackAxe]

I have both a Clie and PPC and both are lacking. And on this XScale thing, I overclocked my PPC to 500 Mhz and it's still for the most part pathetic. The XScale is pathetic no matter what PDA it resides in. Until the PXA255 is released next month or so, ALL CURRENT XSCALES SUCK!

Blah blah blah,
<]=)

[Flash-57]

> I am stuck with windows and cannot use a mac easily.
> However the situation is different in PDA land where the palm
> OS is dominant, has more software, and is easier to use.

Well, that is all well and good for now. But what will you do when the maker of your favorite software announces that they will not be making it anymore for the Palm, but instead will make it only for the PPC?

IF MS wanted to hasten the process, a nice check to the software author might speed things up.

[iebnn]

How is the XScale pathetic in the Clie? It's really fast. It works great.

PPC OS is slow with it because the OS was poorly coded.

Hmm.... so when the Palm V came out you would have rather had a III because it was thicker? If all you could get was a PPC, you'd rather get an older ipaq over a toshiba because it's thicker? I can't see that being a "plus." Even if it is -- there are thick PPCs too.

[JackAxe]

An XScale is better then a Dragonball, but it's a step back for the ARM family making it pathetic. Intel is releasing the PXA255 to address issues with the current PXA250 which can not be fixed by software optimization or a cleanly coded OS. If SONY doesn't upgrade it's Clie's to the newer XScale it will hit the same wall the PPC has already hit. Intel always scales up there CPUs to achieve higher clock speeds, but in the process they slow down the chip, taking a performance step back.

<]=)

[iebnn]

The problem of strongarm vs. xscale in speed (206mhz sa roughly = 400mhz xscale) has a lot to do with the OS and how applications are coded on PPC.

This is besides the point though..... Sony uses xscale, PPC uses xscale (at twice the clock speed), and PPCs are still a lot cheaper.

[JackAxe]

The PPC is definitely more affordable. SONY jacks up the price on all of their products.

If the Clie' didn't have a nicer screen, or audio remote. I would have never bought one. And if I new more about how SONY was trying to force users into ATTRAC for all digital music, this also would have turned me away.

Optimization does help, but it does not solve an inherent flaw with the PXA250 where as the memory and bus are to slow. This is why Intel has doubled the FSB to 200Mhz with the PXA255.

<]=)

[iebnn]

Even Palm overcharges for their T|T compared to Pocket PCs. A $400 PPC has a lot better hardware than the T|T (aside from the screen of course).

And I don't care about Sony trying to convert people over to ATRAC3. MP3 play works fine for me, so it doesn't affect me at all. (btw atrac3 is a lot nicer than mp3 anyway... but it's non-standard. That's the only reason I use mp3 over atrac3 or ogg or something).

Isn't the bus/memory speed in the xscale just about the same as in the strongarm?

[nextyoyoma]

I won't get into debating technical details, but PPC's are just slow. They work like my computer, an 800 mHz celeron...it screws up drawing dialog boxes! The only time my clie EVER lags is when I'm playing Atomsmash and the balls are moving really fast, and even then it's BARELY noticeable, and when i'm playing mp3s in the background. Plus, I would MUCH rather have the screen of a clie than a PPC.
Also, it seems to me that palm devices sell MUCH more easily to individual consumers, while corporations tend to buy more PPCs. Just the other day at circuit city, this guy and his wife came in and bought 4 clies! They got two of one thing and two of the other, I can't remember what. They didn't even LOOK at the two or three pocket pc's on the shelf. I think the main reason for corps buying ppcs is the Hardware expansion capability that quickly arose when wince first came out. I mean, what average person needs a hardware barcode scanner or a receipt printer with their palm? For business, I might consider using a ppc, but I would NEVER use a PPC for personal entertainment or personal business needs.

[iebnn]

nextyoyoma: those two people must have already read up on all of them (the available devices) if they just went in the story and bought those 4 devices without looking at other ones. They aren't the average consumer.

And yes we've established that PPC OS is slow. What I'm saying is that the PPC hardware is a lot nicer than Palm hardware for the dollar.

By the way -- Palm OS is much better for most business purposes. Office documents work a lot better with it than with PPC's Word/etc (it removes lots of formatting from the documents). And PPC is a lot nicer for a lot of (not all) entertainment purposes -- DivX, mp3/ogg/etc (withMP3 winamp clone), and some very nice looking games (but this is a much debated topic....). DivX is a big one. Oh and NES/etc emulation.

[nextyoyoma]

Actually, those guys didn't do much research at all...they asked me which ones they should get. Id on't remember what I told them, they just knew they wanted hi res with mp3 playback...and they wanted a sony clie...nothing else. Also, I saw a woman in best buy ask what kind of PDA she should get...the sales guy talked her into buying the hi-res monochrome one, didn't even mention the pocketpc's. But anyway.

That's good to know about PPCs being better at video and audio...I might actually get one to use just for those purposes. It will never replace my nx70, though :)

[iebnn]

Battery isn't as good in a PPC when listening to MP3s though. If you want an mp3 player, don't spend $300-400 on a PPC -- get an ipod for $250 off ebay.

[Importluva]

well then lets see what we have gotten for this thread
(Compared wit the NX and 400 mhz PPCs)

Screen-Clie
Screen Brightness-Newer iPaqs so PPC
Power-PPC
Speed-Clie
OS-Clie
Price-PPC
Ease of use-Clie
Wow factor-Clie
Battery Life-Prolly ppc cuz of replaceable batteries
Features-Tie (some PPCs have BT and WiFi, while the clie has the cam, keyboard, etc.)


Anything that I missed? I'm sure that there is. So far, looks like the CLie wins :)

[Importluva]

OH yea, big one

Expansion-PPC (some have dual slots, and they aren't locked out)

[Jeffry]

Toshiba sucks. Just an opinion.

[Importluva]

Toshiba isn't a bad company. They make good products. However, I don't like PPC as much as Clies. They do make good laptops tho.

[iebnn]

Originally posted by Importluva
well then lets see what we have gotten for this thread
(Compared wit the NX and 400 mhz PPCs)

Screen-Clie
Screen Brightness-Newer iPaqs so PPC
Power-PPC
Speed-Clie
OS-Clie
Price-PPC
Ease of use-Clie
Wow factor-Clie
Battery Life-Prolly ppc cuz of replaceable batteries
Features-Tie (some PPCs have BT and WiFi, while the clie has the cam, keyboard, etc.)


Anything that I missed? I'm sure that there is. So far, looks like the CLie wins :)

I've only been talking about HARDWARE differences. PPC is clearly the winner for CPU speed (400mhz xscale, 206mhz strongarm).

There is a new PPC coming out that has a full size laptop keyboard that folds up into itself.

[Importluva]

ok, yea that post wasn't about anything you said iebnn. Sorry to disappoint, I was summing up the thread as it was so far.
AND NOW I AM REPLYING TO YOU

So what if the PPC has a 400 vs Sony's 200? Those number when speaking from an ordinal sense of view, do mean alot. However, you have to look at it from more than just 400 vs 200. Just like the processor in macs vs ones in a PC. Can you say that a 1ghz of both camps make their respective computers run at the same speed? Its more than just a hardware perspective. you have to look at the whole picture. Your argument of "well PPC's hardware it self is better" makes sense b/c IT IS a faster processor. However, how the device uses that processor is more important. Please don't come back and say something about only the hardware differences, cuz I've already refuted that. BTW, the 206 strongarm sucked. I know firsthand. My iPaq 3835 couldn't even render a video of teh simpsons encoded SPECIFICALLY for the ipaq without freezing and missing a bunch of frames. Yea, it has a faster processor. It was so much slower tho.

[alsa]

I do think it's funny though how people who are not "in the know" refer to PPCs as a Palm Pilot. Actually, most people probably don't know what a PDA is still? They DO know what a Palm Pilot is :D

[Importluva]

True dat alsa. All of my friends are like IS THAT A PALM PILOT??? I'm like yea. No use in tryin to educate them, as it'll all go over their heads. Just like a portable AM/FM Cassette player is referred to as a Walkman, tissue paper is Kleenex, and cotton swabs are qtips...

[JwY]

i know exactly what u mean!

[nx70]

I get the point. But is our beloved PDA or PEO really only this? I have down- and at the same time upgraded from my little SR31 VAIO laptop to the NX. I see it as a replacement for my notebook. So I would rather call it a Computer than a PDA?!
Or what do you think?

[Importluva]

I think that it really is a computer. Although not the ones we are accustomed to. Calculators are considered computers, why can't our more powerful clies be considered one too? Remember, the first computers (I think it was the ENIAC or something around there) could only do your basic math functions and it took I think around 10,000 square feet to fit in!

[nx70]

Calculators are referred to as computers?? Oh my gosh.
Than my Cliè is a PowerPC (not to mix up with Apple!)
From this point of view my handy is a computer as well, isn't it?
And yeah you are right. My desktop is taking more space as my NX70 does, but the speed hasn't improved compared to Zuses basic PC and the Personal Computer.
What are you using your Cliè to? ? ?

[Unregistered]

Yes, calculators are computers. Dude, the first computers were just giant calculators...

[Durack]

Well, if Palm OS loses the format war, then Sony will just switch to making PPC Clie handhelds, which will most likely put every other PPC to shame (just like they did with the Palm platform).

In the large scheme of things I couldn't care less. I don't own stock in either company, heck, stocks are useless this days anyway :)

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Importluva
So what if the PPC has a 400 vs Sony's 200?

Exactly. It's not like you are running Unreal 2 on them or encoding MPEG videos where CPU speed really counts. For present handheld apps, 200MHz is more than enough. When

[Importluva]

Agreed. However, the speed alone doesn't matter, it is how the device utilizes the processor. The clie is just better than the 400 mhz PPC's that are out. They are slow and hang a lot.