Announcing Palm Webcam 1.0 - Use your Palm as a Webcam!

[clievideo]

http://www.clievideo.com/img/webcam200x250_b.png

I am happy to announce the release of our new application - Palm Webcam.

Palm Webcam allows for camera equipped Palm OS handhelds to be used as a USB Webcam!

The included WDM driver makes it possible to use the built-in camera as a Webcam with Windows applications that makes use of regular webcams.

The Windows application Palm Webcam PC displays the video from the camera and lets you change the webcam settings.

With Palm Webcam one can select the Palm as the camera source in your favorite Webcam, Instant Messaging and Video Capture applications. These include widely used applications such as MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger and Windows Movie Maker.

Palm Webcam requires a PC running Windows 2000 or Windows XP.

All Palm OS models with a built-in camera are supported and these are currently Sony CLIE NR70V, NX70V, NX73V, NX80V, NZ90, UX40,UX50, TJ27, TJ37, TH55, palmOne Zire71, Zire72 and Treo600.

For more info and to download visit www.clievideo.com.

Enjoy the new webcam capabilities of your Palm! :)

[clievideo]

Palm Webcam is shareware and has a trial period of 2 weeks. During the trial period a text string is written to the video and it reminds you to register when launching. This is removed in the registered version.

Registration of Palm Webcam is available for a limited time for the introductional price of $14.95. The regular price will be a bit higher.

[clievideo]

A note for NR70V users, you may need to update your CLIE Palm Desktop software to a newer version than the one that shipped with the NR70V. Go to ftp://ftp.ita.sel.sony.com/ccpg/clie/NXPDT41.EXE to download a newer version.

[jmg_NX21]

SO this is what you had in mind once the API's were released... creative, THERE have been many of us curious if this were ever possible... any chance it being Mac compatible?

cool.

[clievideo]

any chance it being Mac compatible?


Not in the near future, I dont currently own a Mac to develop on ( I dont think my aging Mac LC is quite up to the task ).

[ilkera]

This is one great application for PalmOs models with a camera. A webcam that is with you wherever you go.
I've been in the beta tests of this application and can advise anyone that there is really hard work in it. (Works smoothly on my NX70V)

[OcellNuri]

^ Same here, cept I've been testing on a NX80V, so feel free to throw out questions. There's also a great webcam server applet included, so you can serve your webcam as a webpage straight off of your PC!

[ir803]

I cannot download the trial the page keeps coming back as 'cannot find server' can anyone email me the trial. clie.max@ntlworld.com
cheers,
martin at cliemax.co.uk

[ir803]

OK found it now, I think there are some dodgy links on their site.

[fidodido_univ]

So, has anyone tested this application in a UX ?
I wish I could, but I am at the univ, reason I didn't even log in.

If you had, please report. Thanks!

[ir803]

WOW......and again WOW. :eek:

by the way if you have problems linking to the download page it's here http://www.clievideo.com/downloads/palmwebcam/download.html

[dannn]

this app seems really cool
ive always wondered if my Clies were goign to be able to do this.

[tegola]

What about a video conferencing app?
And Vivid for the nz90?

:(

Alan

[jmg_NX21]

I too was about to ask about the progress of vivd... (just trying to squeeze as much life out of my NX70 as possible)

[SeveR]

Awesome work!!!!! it works perfectly on my nx70. This clie keeps getting better and better :D

[Edlin]

wooohooo :D Great Stuff: Off to try it

[ilkera]

This application may be an indication of "Vivid for OS5" is on the way...
I wish it has sound too :)
especially with MCA2 , that would be great !

[taxman]

The Palm Webcam is Terrific! Tried it on my NX80 and all the features work perfectly. If you wanted a webcam for your Clie you have one now.

[marukosu]

Beautiful! Just beautiful!

Gimme a few more days to play with it, then the cheque's in the mail!

[ir803]

I have tested it a couple of times on my NX73v now and have to say it's amazing, I had a long messenger conversation complete with hand signals and much face pulling, the delay was minimal and image quality is great. I haven't fiddled with the settings too much yet as the default settings seem to work well. Sound would be good however the NX73v's mic is pointing the wrong way so you would have to have the cradle back to front in order to pick up any sound, for now though the sudden abiltiy to be used as a webcam has increased the usefullness of my clie again is there no limit to what it can do when inspiring programmers work out how to do things Sony never wanted them to do. :D
one thing though, I am a sad geek who loves things to look cool so if the webcam app on my clie could be skinned to look nice as well as work well i'll be the first in the que to skin it please.

[jwsp]

For TH55 users: can it connect to the PC with bluetooth? And can the stream be recorded?

[UptownGuy]

It is running fine on my Clie, but when I'm running the PalmWebcam PC.exe file on my XP laptop, I keep getting the following error:

"The necessary file 'ws.class' was not found in the anticipated path. PalmWebcam PC will now exit"

SO CLOSE but SO FAR... someone help? :confused:

[clievideo]

It is running fine on my Clie, but when I'm running the PalmWebcam PC.exe file on my XP laptop, I keep getting the following error:

"The necessary file 'ws.class' was not found in the anticipated path. PalmWebcam PC will now exit"

SO CLOSE but SO FAR... someone help? :confused:

After you unzipped the .zip file you should have a folder called wwwroot in the same folder as "Palm Webcam PC.exe". The wwwroot folder contains a file called "pw.jar", if this file is not there when launching Palm Webcam PC.exe you will get this message. Could you try and extract the .zip file once again and see if you have this file in that folder? If this does not help you can write an email to info (at) clievideo (dot) com and I will help you further.

[UptownGuy]

OK -- got it! Somehow, a wwwroot folder didn't get created when I unzipped the original file. I created one and popped the pw.jar file in there. Everything is working great. My Clie NZ-90 looks *AMAZING* as a webcam. I remember when I first got it thinking, "Someone should really..." And it looks like you did. You have my gratitude. You have my awe at your talent. And, shortly, you'll have my registration fee!! :)

[maxverde66]

ho intenzione di acquistare una fotocamera VEO per tungsten T3 della palm, può funzionare col vostro programma da webcam?

[ir803]

first pelaca then cliepet (or maybe the other way round) and now clievideo you guys rock, Sony takes one small step for PDA kind, you guys take the giant leap to send us into the future. My clie is now a totally multi media..multimedia device.
:p

[clievideo]

ho intenzione di acquistare una fotocamera VEO per tungsten T3 della palm, può funzionare col vostro programma da webcam?

That is not totally unlikely, but probably not in the near future. I dont think the VEO camera has a developer API and I am not sure how many people might have this camera.

[clievideo]

OK -- got it! Somehow, a wwwroot folder didn't get created when I unzipped the original file. I created one and popped the pw.jar file in there. Everything is working great. My Clie NZ-90 looks *AMAZING* as a webcam. I remember when I first got it thinking, "Someone should really..." And it looks like you did. You have my gratitude. You have my awe at your talent. And, shortly, you'll have my registration fee!! :)

Ok, glad to hear that it works for you now! :)
Not sure what could have made the folder not appear when extracting the zip file though.

[cirrus]

Great idea, but is there any chance for linux compatibility in the near future?

[SeveR]

For TH55 users: can it connect to the PC with bluetooth? And can the stream be recorded?

not sure about the bluetooth but the stream can be recorded using windows movie maker or a number of other programs with sound too if you have seperate mic. With windows media encoder you can stream it live to the internet with sound yaaahaha :D *crosses his fingers for vivid*

[caipro]

works great.. now i dont have to take a webcam when i go off with my Laptop...

[caipro]

bluetooth functionalty would be great tho.. a wireless webcam......cool

[mrklaw]

I tried it with bluetooth on my UX50 and it didn't work. Worked fine with the USB cable though.

[madmaxmedia]

This is amazing, thanks!

What would also be a nice feature is webcam through Wifi connection. That would be better than a BT connection.

[bean]

This app is amazing but I am having problems streaming it on the internet. I am able to get an IP address to appear and then open a webpage on my computer. However, I gave the IP address to my family, but no one can get it to open on their web browser. Any ideas? Live video over the web would be great, just can't get it to work.

[buuuuuuuuuut]

Are the movies captured in Sony's 120X120 res or clievideo's 240X320 on an nx70?

[oyakodon]

I've seen in the manual that it should work with YIM, so I have a feeling that my issue may be with one setting or another on Yahoo IM itself: I can't get it to "see" the camera. The camera is streaming, I have the Windows ap running, but when I "Start My Webcam" it pops up the no cam found box. Yahoo Help points to the camera prefs where you can click on the "Camera Source" button, but doing so pulls down a blank dropbox, nothing to select.

Running on Windows 2000 w/ a NX80V; anyone have any ideas?

Kev!

<edit> Remembered that I'm on a machine that I don't have admin privs for, so normally I couldn't add hardware anyway. However the Windows interface still displays the stream, which indicates that it *is* installed?

[clievideo]

This app is amazing but I am having problems streaming it on the internet. I am able to get an IP address to appear and then open a webpage on my computer. However, I gave the IP address to my family, but no one can get it to open on their web browser. Any ideas? Live video over the web would be great, just can't get it to work.

I think this might be an issue with a firewall not allowing traffic at the port you are using, or you might have a router installed and may get the local (LAN) IP address in the link. People outside can not use the local IP to access your computer, they need the external (WAN) IP address.

Does the IP address you get in the link start with 192.168? If so that is a local IP address. You can find your external IP address by going to www.whatismyip.com.

[clievideo]

Are the movies captured in Sony's 120X120 res or clievideo's 240X320 on an nx70?

On the NX70V one can change between 12 frame sizes ranging from 320x240 to 80x60.

[clievideo]

I've seen in the manual that it should work with YIM, so I have a feeling that my issue may be with one setting or another on Yahoo IM itself: I can't get it to "see" the camera. The camera is streaming, I have the Windows ap running, but when I "Start My Webcam" it pops up the no cam found box. Yahoo Help points to the camera prefs where you can click on the "Camera Source" button, but doing so pulls down a blank dropbox, nothing to select.

Running on Windows 2000 w/ a NX80V; anyone have any ideas?

Kev!

<edit> Remembered that I'm on a machine that I don't have admin privs for, so normally I couldn't add hardware anyway. However the Windows interface still displays the stream, which indicates that it *is* installed?

Kev, you can test if the driver is installed by downloading and running the AMCAP application from http://noeld.com/programs.asp?cat=video. If you see the camera preview there it is installed ok.

Not sure about installing drivers without admin rights in Win 2000. Do you have a recent version of Yahoo Messenger?

[mykelfurman]

For TH55 users: can it connect to the PC with bluetooth? And can the stream be recorded?
So you are on of those evil TH55 Euro users with BT? I tried to get one, but Ennggg. Thanks for playing. It didn't work for me with Wifi, but since I have a cradle, all the program does is shoot a really nice video of my desktop surface. Any TH55 users out there have some ingenious and obvouce way to fix this? I guess I could use hot glue and 3awg wire?

[clievideo]

So you are on of those evil TH55 Euro users with BT? It didn't work for me with Wifi, but since I have a cradle, all the program does is shoot a really nice video of my desktop surface. Any TH55 users out there have some ingenious and obvouce way to fix this? I guess I could use hot glue and 3awg wire?

I do one of 2 things with my TH55. Both requires the USB cable that came with the TH55

1. Connect the TH55 with the USB cable and put it in the cradle with the lens facing you. The TH55 will sit quite nicely in the cradle this way even with the USB cable connected. :) You can control the webcam app with the capture and jog dial buttons.

2. Connect the TH55 with the USB cable and use the plastic cover to "balance" the TH55. This work quite nice aswell.

[ir803]

So you are on of those evil TH55 Euro users with BT? I tried to get one, but Ennggg. Thanks for playing. It didn't work for me with Wifi, but since I have a cradle, all the program does is shoot a really nice video of my desktop surface. Any TH55 users out there have some ingenious and obvouce way to fix this? I guess I could use hot glue and 3awg wire?
GOT A MIRROR :p

[ir803]

Palm webcam runs from flash as well. :D
http://www.itsmy-space.co.uk/cliemax/images/webcam_screenshot1.jpg

[bean]

Once I know my external IP is that what I give to friends to be able to see my web cam or do they also need my local? Sorry if this is all newbie questions.

[sdkat2]

Very nice application. I could not get it to work, however, until I uninstalled Card Export. My TH55 shares a computer with the Tungsten T3, which is why I had Card Export installed. Each time I attempted to connect to the computer with the application, Card Export would attempt to launch. Took me a few tries before I noticed it. Any clues as to why that happens?

[clievideo]

Once I know my external IP is that what I give to friends to be able to see my web cam or do they also need my local? Sorry if this is all newbie questions.

Yes, they need the external IP and they have no use for the local one.

[clievideo]

Very nice application. I could not get it to work, however, until I uninstalled Card Export. My TH55 shares a computer with the Tungsten T3, which is why I had Card Export installed. Each time I attempted to connect to the computer with the application, Card Export would attempt to launch. Took me a few tries before I noticed it. Any clues as to why that happens?

Since Card Export also listens for a USB connection it intercepts the connection between the Webcam app on the Palm and the PC app. Palm Webcam PC is actually closing down the HotSync app temporarily while it is being used to prevent it to interfere with the USB comm.

[amoon]

Here's my 2 cents,

I have tested run and configured on 2 Ux's, 1 connected to a wireless PC (USB cable used between UX and PC) and the other to a hard wired pc onto my home network. The PC's are on a 512 ADSL link and i tested the webcam through Yahoo Messenger (1 PC logged in with my wifes yahoo ID the other with my ID) It worked great.

Clievideo said that the webcam service offered by hotmail had superior webcam functionality so i'll give it a go today and let you know.

[SEkker]

Cool app. It's a real shame it cannot work with the Apple iChat software, which would allow instant videoconferencing capabilities on a Mac. Anyone knowledgable about such things willing to give it a whirl?

[Joel]

If Palm Webcam would be made to work with a Mac, that should turn Apple's head towards Clie Video and the Palm platform in general :)

[oyakodon]

Kev, you can test if the driver is installed by downloading and running the AMCAP application from http://noeld.com/programs.asp?cat=video. If you see the camera preview there it is installed ok.

Not sure about installing drivers without admin rights in Win 2000. Do you have a recent version of Yahoo Messenger?

Just a followup to my previous posting about YIM not working: I'm at home now and it works just fine, so my issue at work is either due to not being able to get it to install properly, or more likely the firewall. I'm not all that familiar with the workings of firewalls (vs. the concept of what they do), so I'll have to play a bit. But at home on my little laptop, flows like a breeze. Wonderful ap, and as soon as I finish this you'll be getting $15 from me : )

Kev!

Oh, and another curiosity: is it technically possible to have this run over Wifi? Have the WL110 for my NX80V but not set up for it at home (mainly use Wifi on campus). But with a wireless network connected through one's laptop, could this function as a wireless webcam? I remember reading ppl saying that it didn't work over BT, but don't recall mention of Wifi thus far.

[amoon]

I can confirm it does not run over BT or Wifi.

[PBM808]

I'm glad i never sold my NZ90. my computer syncs a T3, NX60, and NZ90 with no problems, with card export or anything.
Now, seeing as how only the NZ90 has a 2mp camera, would it be possible to make a patch or something allowing a higher quality webcam for us NZ90's ? at least 640x480 i guess

[divination23]

you guys (clievideo, or hell, whoever!) have got to make this work over wifi, a wireless
streaming video camera that i can carry around my parties would be dope.

I'd pay extra for wifi streaming.
:)
-div

[Vagrant]

you guys (clievideo, or hell, whoever!) have got to make this work over wifi, a wireless
streaming video camera that i can carry around my parties would be dope.

I'd pay extra for wifi streaming.
:)
-div
There are tons of various solutions out there that can do what you want. Here's a product that simplifies it. Logitech Quickcam Cordless (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=4,CONTENTID=6312)

[Eddy]

This is an amazing application! :eek:
Now I just need to locate the USB cable that came with my UX50 though, since I've never used it at all. Everything wireless...

If I remembered correctly, there were other applications that were available previously that allowed one's Palm to be used as Webcam. It was hosted on a French website, & one had to go through several applications with clumbersome procedures to setup. :)

Guess this was the direct method & very user friendly as well! :p

[MMMMMike]

There already is a webcam for the Clie's that utilizes WiFi.
Aibohack's Spy Still Cam (http://www.aibohack.com/clie/spystillcam.htm). It ONLY works with WiFi, not USB like this gem here.

Palm Webcam is a great little program. Good work.

Mike

[OcellNuri]

When I got the first beta of this program I sent a little picture back to Clievideo... he thought it might be nice to share it with everyone. It conveys my emotions at the moment.

http://home.earthlink.net/~ocellnuri/clie/wow.jpg

[timage]

This is an amazing program! I have been using it all night long. Big thanks to Clievideo....the check is in the mail.

[grj49a]

I've been trying to download a copy from their website, but I'm getting a "Page Cannot Be Displayed" error. Anyone else having this problem? And can anyone e-mail a copy for my TH-55?

Thanks,

[rfarias02]

Thanks so much Clievideo!!! I think this is one of the most sought and wished-for applications for the Clie. I remember that a couple months ago I did an extensive search for a webcam but the only application available was the aibo spy cam by cliepet (which is great if you have all the wireless requirements). And in many forums there were comments that a normal web cam application would be just impossible…
I surely send my registration fee pretty soon!

[zwergnase]

Now I currently own a fully stockedt CLIE NZ90.
That means it comes with WiFi card, web browser and even infrared modem.
Why the heck do I still need a PC to turn my NZ90 into a WebCam ?

I can connect to the Internet straight from my NZ90 and would really appreciate being able to skip the Windows part.

Any chance/choices here???

Otherwise, good work I suppose.

[joe]

I second the prompts for a Mac OS X version.

[divination23]

Thanks for the info people, I'll check out cliepets proggie and that logitech app.

-div

[joemit]

I second the prompts for a Mac OS X version.

And yet another vote for a Mac version. This would be a 'must have' app for my NX80V and I know several other Clie/Palm users who would jump at it.

PLEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSEEEE......................

Joe

[MMMMMike]

Yeah... MAC VERSION.

(I don't own a Mac, just throwing in my support)

Mike

[ir803]

is there any way of flipping the image so the reciever sees you the correct way round ?? I always seem to be mirrored

[clievideo]

is there any way of flipping the image so the reciever sees you the correct way round ?? I always seem to be mirrored

Yes, in the PC app there are two checkboxes that when selected flip the image horiontally and/or vertically.

[ir803]

OOOOOOOOOH, now I see it, jeeeez do I feel a gibbon.
:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :o

[clievideo]

And yet another vote for a Mac version. This would be a 'must have' app for my NX80V and I know several other Clie/Palm users who would jump at it.

PLEEEEEEAAAAAASSSSSSEEEE......................

Joe

I have not used a mac for about 10 years, so if I am to look at a Mac version I need (besides a Mac - ...anyone have a spare iMac? :) ) to get updated on some things. What software is there on OS X that makes use of webcams? Does MSN Messenger for Mac support video conferencing?

[CliePet]

> And in many forums there were comments that a normal web cam application would be just impossible...
FWIW: not impossible, just work especially in the USB to Windows connection. Even though I'm not a big fan of the idea of turning your $$$ PDA into a $25 webcam, I'm glad somebody did this after all.

What is impressive (IMHO) is that it works on a lot of different cameras (even the low end TJ27 and the Zire models), and not all have documented capture APIs!
Good job 'clievideo'

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My testing report:

UX50/TH55
320x240 @ ~3.4 to 3.8 fps
160x120 @ ~7.0fps

NZ90: [not overclocked]
320x240 @ ~2.9 fps
160x120 @ ~4.9 fps
Irritation Bug: Camera reticle is visible and flashing in preview on PDA (but not transmitted)

NR70V:
320x240 @ ~1.5 fps
160x120 @ ~5.0 fps

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General wish list:
+ warnings if the camera lens cover is closed
+ Audio streaming (using SndStream APIs and/or MCA2).
? Ability to run WDM driver without the "Palm Webcam PC.exe" program running (perhaps a taskbar icon?)

+ if interested, WiFi should be relatively easy to add, it looks like frame rate and the protocol (JPG?) is on par with what SpyStillCam can do (ie. WiFi and USB data rates are similar)

[NX70BOY]

Great work clievideo! Awesome app! So glad we finally got one! Just a couple suggestions please?


Sound!!
Ability to use without having Palm WebCam running full window. (in otherwords, at least have the palmwebcam app running is task bar, w/o having to have full blown window up. that make sense?)


Otherwise, this is perfect! Thanks again!

~nx

[clievideo]

What is impressive (IMHO) is that it works on a lot of different cameras (even the low end TJ27 and the Zire models)
Good job 'clievideo'


Thank you.



UX50/TH55
320x240 @ ~3.4 to 3.8 fps
160x120 @ ~7.0fps


On the UX50 you should be able to get 14+ fps for 160x120. The connection speed is negotiated between the Palm and PC hardware and over here it alternates between two speeds. Restarting the Palm seems to be a way of getting the higher speed, the workload on the PC also seems to matter. You can also turn off preprocessing of the frames ( from Preferences in the menu) which will increase the fps for some frame sizes.


Irritation Bug: Camera reticle is visible and flashing in preview on PDA (but not transmitted)


Not sure this should be considered a bug, I think one might get more irritated if the reticule were (more) visible after the transmission. Getting rid of the reticule on the NZ entirely proved to be a difficult task. The blinking is actually me doing some filtering magic to make it disappear - if you are very observant you might see where it used to be in the transmitted images. :)


General wish list:
+ warnings if the camera lens cover is closed
+ Audio streaming (using SndStream APIs and/or MCA2).

+ if interested, WiFi should be relatively easy to add, it looks like frame rate and the protocol (JPG?) is on par with what SpyStillCam can do (ie. WiFi and USB data rates are similar)

Audio streaming and wifi is two of the things I will look at next, I'll see if I will be able to add lens cover checking for the next version also. My tests doing clie to clie wifi transmissions showed that USB speed was about 3-4 times faster. Havent tested on Clie<-->PC connection yet though. I guess it is about time I add some Wifi to my PC - since 8 of my Palms are wifi capable. :)

[clievideo]

Great work clievideo! Awesome app! So glad we finally got one! Just a couple suggestions please?


Sound!!
Ability to use without having Palm WebCam running full window. (in otherwords, at least have the palmwebcam app running is task bar, w/o having to have full blown window up. that make sense?)


~nx

I agree that there would be nice to have the PC app run from the task bar. If you are just concerned about having the PC app window app showing though, you can minimize the window for now.

[jmg_NX21]

avchat or the latest version of ichat, tho it interfaces with firewire cameras... I am not sure if AIM for the OSX does or not...

[Eddy]

great going there!
Nice to hear that sound as well as WiFi will be looked into! :D
Keep up the fantastic work, ClieVideo! :p

[joe]

I have not used a mac for about 10 years, so if I am to look at a Mac version I need (besides a Mac - ...anyone have a spare iMac? :) ) to get updated on some things. What software is there on OS X that makes use of webcams? Does MSN Messenger for Mac support video conferencing?

On OS X, iChatAV, which comes bundled with video conferencing support. Yahoo! Messenger also supports web cams, but does not offer audio support and never will unless Yahoo! stops using proprietary (?) Windows-only voice support libraries. I've no idea about MSN Messenger 'cuz I've never used it on any platform. Incidentally, iChatAV is very, very similar to AOL Instant Messenger and as I recall, the most recent Windows version function's very similarly to iChatAV.

I currently use Apple's iSight fire wire cam on my iMac. I have two other iBooks (one G3 and one G4) that I still use daily. It'd be nice to know that my TJ37, which I always keep in the briefcase with the iBookG4, will function as a cam (even without sound...that doesn't bother me) should I need one on the road.

[OcellNuri]

Just a note for everyone wanting the PC app to run from the system tray, you can get a free program called TrayIT that will accomplish this until it is coded directly into the Palm Webcam PC program.

TrayIT runs at start up, and lets you minimize any window to the system tray by right clicking on the "X" close button on the window. I HIGHLY recommend it.

http://www.teamcti.com/trayit/trayit.htm

[SeveR]

Just a note for everyone wanting the PC app to run from the system tray, you can get a free program called TrayIT that will accomplish this until it is coded directly into the Palm Webcam PC program.

TrayIT runs at start up, and lets you minimize any window to the system tray by right clicking on the "X" close button on the window. I HIGHLY recommend it.

http://www.teamcti.com/trayit/trayit.htm

:D
Thanks for the link, the program works great. I've been wanting something like this for a while just havn't bothered looking around for one yet. cheers

[Kankajit]

This is really great, it works well with my NX70V, only small problem on the first installation of palm webcam PC module.... it will be great if it can be more user friendly on PC installation. I also working well on MSN messenger, windows movie maker, and others video caption module on various software.

[clievideo]

This is really great, it works well with my NX70V, only small problem on the first installation of palm webcam PC module.... it will be great if it can be more user friendly on PC installation. I also working well on MSN messenger, windows movie maker, and others video caption module on various software.

Hi Kankajit,
Could you send me an email and describe what the small problem you had when installing? You can reach me at info at clievideo dot com. Thanks :)

[mpa50]

This work great on the Treo 600! I've already used it a couple of times to share videos with family around the US. I also used it last week for work while I was travelling in New York to show some progress via the Treo. Maybe I can get work to expense the phone now!! But it installs easily and works really well so far. No problems or crashes with it yet. It loads and and works so easily.


Great program!! Keep up the good work. By the way, where is the OS 5 version of Vivid?? ;)

[BRiC]

I do one of 2 things with my TH55. Both requires the USB cable that came with the TH55

1. Connect the TH55 with the USB cable and put it in the cradle with the lens facing you. The TH55 will sit quite nicely in the cradle this way even with the USB cable connected. :) You can control the webcam app with the capture and jog dial buttons.

2. Connect the TH55 with the USB cable and use the plastic cover to "balance" the TH55. This work quite nice aswell.

I am not sure if I understood #2 -- but it seems like the only way to "balance" the TH55 is to put it sideways on a flat surface, and using the flip cover to stand it. There's no option to rotate the video, so the stream would be sideways which isn't good. :(

Also, I have no problems using the software with Yahoo! Messenger, but netmeeting -- which is what we use at the office -- can't seem to detect the camera (video is grayed-out). Any thoughts?

EDIT: Ah, Palm Webcam comes with WDM drivers, while netmeeting needs VfW. I've read about some workarounds -- but it usually requires purchasing something. :p Anybody has a better idea?

Thanks,
BRiC

[clievideo]

I am not sure if I understood #2 -- but it seems like the only way to "balance" the TH55 is to put it sideways on a flat surface, and using the flip cover to stand it.

See this photo of the th55 webcam setup.

http://www.clievideo.com/img/th55_webcam_small.JPG

[BRiC]

Clievideo,

Whoa! That's some balancing act... :) Thanks for the photo! Now it's clear.

Would it be possible though to add a rotate feature so the TH55 can be set on its side? The video would end up tall rather than wide, however.

On my other problem with netmeeting, I tried the DVdriver from TrackerCam (http://www.pantiltcam.com/TCamWeb/download/dvdriver_trial.exe) and it works. It's a trial version only and I don't think I'd want to shell out $20 for it... Is this functionality something you plan to add in the future version of Palm Webcam?

Regards,
BRiC

[massanz90]

I´m testing this program and still now I´m loving it, but I have a doubt:

Is a normal behave my NZ become "hot" ?(when I´m using this program, all the surface around the keyboard, become very hot, like somehow "forcing" the system, I don´t know)

[clievideo]

Clievideo,

Would it be possible though to add a rotate feature so the TH55 can be set on its side? The video would end up tall rather than wide, however.


Technically possible yes, but probably not very practical. Applications like MSN wants 320x240 video, and one would would have to either stretch or cut the 240x320 video to get to 320x240.

Clievideo,
On my other problem with netmeeting, I tried the DVdriver from TrackerCam (http://www.pantiltcam.com/TCamWeb/download/dvdriver_trial.exe) and it works. It's a trial version only and I don't think I'd want to shell out $20 for it... Is this functionality something you plan to add in the future version of Palm Webcam?


Vfw capture drivers are being phased out in favour for WDM ones. Not sure if Netmeeting is being actively developed any more, but it is quite obvious that Microsoft is pushing for video conferencing to go thru MSN Messenger instead of Netmeeting. I will have a look at what could be done to be compatible with applications that use vfw but this does not have the highest priority right now.

[clievideo]

I´m testing this program and still now I´m loving it, but I have a doubt:

Is a normal behave my NZ become "hot" ?(when I´m using this program, all the surface around the keyboard, become very hot, like somehow "forcing" the system, I don´t know)

I have not noticed this on my NZ so I cant tell if it is normal. For how long did you use your NZ continously before you noticed this?

[massanz90]

Just few minutes, and you can already see the temperature of the NZ´s surface increasing... nether other aplication (include the video cam) causes this effect in my Clié... so, I´m very concerned about causing any damaged... (my NZ NEVER became hot, even in the cradle/charging) so, if you could solve my doubt, I´ll register it immediatly, because I really love this program!

[clievideo]

Just few minutes, and you can already see the temperature of the NZ´s surface increasing... nether other aplication (include the video cam) causes this effect in my Clié... so, I´m very concerned about causing any damaged... (my NZ NEVER became hot, even in the cradle/charging) so, if you could solve my doubt, I´ll register it immediatly, because I really love this program!

Are you charging the NZ at the same time as streaming video?
I believe I did some lengthy tests of the usb streaming also on the NZ where I would have the streaming go on for 1-2 days to check how robust the connection error handling was. I could do some lengthy tests again if you want too, but I would not be too worried. Palm Webcam does not do anything else but stream video when the camera is powered on, and I dont see a reason why this would harm an NZ.

[massanz90]

I have used the program connected at the AC energy, because the high consume of the camera´s system on my NZ. But it never became hot like this, so if you could test again, you´ll see how fast the keyboard´s surface become hot. This behavior is strange to me too, and I don´t see a "logical" fot that reason too.

[maceyr]

Thanks for a great program. It's just what I wanted, a software that I can use as a monitoring device. Now, I'll just have to find a USB extension cable. This is one program that is well worth the money.

[maceyr]

I've been trying to download a copy from their website, but I'm getting a "Page Cannot Be Displayed" error. Anyone else having this problem? And can anyone e-mail a copy for my TH-55?

Thanks,

Download from this link:

http://www.clievideo.com/downloads/palmwebcam/download.html

Select your PDA and click the download button.

If you can't access the page, amongst other pages, you might have some spyware installed on your computer. Download and install anti-spyware programs such as Spybot Search & Destroy ( http://www.safer-networking.org ) or Ad-aware ( http://www.lavasoft.de ) and scan for and remove spyware.

[aussie_nx70v]

Anyone know if this will work on a laptop running Windows ME?

It keeps crashing on me and asking me to reboot the laptop

[ying]

hie, anyone using the web cam on Windows 2000 and MSN?
I'm having problem for the other party connecting to my web cam invitation.
Anyone can help?

Thanks

[ying]

Anyone know if this will work on a laptop running Windows ME?

It keeps crashing on me and asking me to reboot the laptop

If i'm not mistaken, it was written there supporting OS windows 2000 and XP only. :o

[SonyPDA]

Can I use the Webcam thru the Bluetooth of the NZ90? :confused:

[Eddy]

Can I use the Webcam thru the Bluetooth of the NZ90? :confused:
This application doesn't support wireless connection yet, those such as bluetooth/ WiFi. But it's nice to know that it might be looked into as a future upgrade. :p

[DaveGe]

This thing is really fun to play with. 2 questions:

1. On my TJ27, it holds the connection for only a few minutes. Works just fine with all my other devices (NZ90, NX, J37, UX). Anyone seem issues w/the 27?
2. Most of the folks here at work can http to the server and watch. A few desktops, including my Mac (Safari) fail with a gateway timeout. Any suggestions on what to look for to fix this?

Many thanks, -Dave

[McGus]

There have been a few posts about Mac compatibiity: how about via VirtualPC on OS X? I've been able to get most Windows XP apps to work quite well on my iBook G4 with VirtualPC and--despite not having tested this--I'll bet Palm Webcam will work.

Thoughts; comments?

Cheers
Gus

[ir803]

This thing is really fun to play with. 2 questions:

1. On my TJ27, it holds the connection for only a few minutes. Works just fine with all my other devices (NZ90, NX, J37, UX).

All your devices !!! wow do you really use all those PDA's at the same time you must have a very big desk with a forest of cradles. :D

PS, by the way this whole thing of having to go back to the main page to log in then back to the thread you want, is really getting tired, if i go to answer a post and i'm not logged in it won't let me just fill in my details on the reply page, it always sends me either to the main page or to the forums page then I have to find the thread I was looking at again. NOT GOOD !
Cliesource never did this, BRING BACK CLIESOURCE.

[Lunitarie]

Are you charging the NZ at the same time as streaming video?
I believe I did some lengthy tests of the usb streaming also on the NZ where I would have the streaming go on for 1-2 days to check how robust the connection error handling was. I could do some lengthy tests again if you want too, but I would not be too worried. Palm Webcam does not do anything else but stream video when the camera is powered on, and I dont see a reason why this would harm an NZ.

I tested the Palm Webcam across MSN with my NZ in the cradle and it worked a treat for 3-4 hours, however my NZ did get far warmer across the keyboard area than it has before as MassaNZ90 said, and this does concern me. Fried NZ90's are never a good thing...Have you managed to do any testing?

Another issue I had after my 3-4 hour stint: While I was testing, the NZ90 was open so I could see the screen and it worked fine, however when i went to put the Clie into tablet mode, the image would not flip and I had to soft reset the NZ90 to get things back to normal...do you think this just my Clie being temperamental, or could it be a lil issue?

Note: my Clie also runs McPhilling and GrafittiAnywhere all the time too...so I'm not sure if these apps could cause any interference.

Any info on these issues would be greatly appreciated :)

Anywaysk, Clievideo- you've designed an excellent piece of software here- it's so nice to be able to do lil extra things with my NZ! :) I've already registered 2 copies! (yeah well..both me and a friend have NZ90's and it *is* a kewl app.. :) )

[massanz90]

So, it isn't just me! I have done several tests too, and every time I use the program, my NZ get hot... About the issue of charging at the same time, I think it is a little "non sense", because the cam´s systems holds just a few minutes without connected to the AC energy. Iloved this program, but I don´t wanna a fried NZ too!!!

[DaveGe]

This thing is really fun to play with. 2 questions:

1. On my TJ27, it holds the connection for only a few minutes. Works just fine with all my other devices (NZ90, NX, J37, UX). Anyone seem issues w/the 27?
2. Most of the folks here at work can http to the server and watch. A few desktops, including my Mac (Safari) fail with a gateway timeout. Any suggestions on what to look for to fix this?

Many thanks, -Dave

Well I may have answered at least one of my own questions. Tested w/someone else's '27, works fine, so maybe I have a flaky unit. Installing the TJ27 system update made no difference.

But the Safari thing still annoys me. I have MSIE 5.x and Safari on my (OSx 10.3.4) Mac. Both are Java enabled. I can http to a Palm Webcam server just fine on the Mac with MSIE, but not with Safari. With Safari I get a blank page with "Palm Webcam" at the top. Clicking reload causes the Java cup symbol to momentarily appear, leaving the blank page with "Palm Webcam" at the top. Http to a Palm Webcam server from a CLIE with NetFront you get the same result.

Are there any Safari users out there who can http to a Palm Webcam server? Thank you, -Dave

BTW I second the motions for:
- Bluetooth, and
- Webcam on a Mac.

[clievideo]

Anyone know if this will work on a laptop running Windows ME?


Palm Webcam needs to be run on Windows 2000/XP, ME is not supported since it is missing some Kernel API calls which the WDM driver uses.

[clievideo]

Well I may have answered at least one of my own questions. Tested w/someone else's '27, works fine, so maybe I have a flaky unit. Installing the TJ27 system update made no difference.


Could be another application installed on your TJ (but not on your friend's) which could somehow be conflicting with Palm Webcam. You could tell for sure if this is the case by testing on your TJ without any other applications installed.


But the Safari thing still annoys me. I have MSIE 5.x and Safari on my (OSx 10.3.4) Mac. Both are Java enabled. I can http to a Palm Webcam server just fine on the Mac with MSIE, but not with Safari. With Safari I get a blank page with "Palm Webcam" at the top. Clicking reload causes the Java cup symbol to momentarily appear, leaving the blank page with "Palm Webcam" at the top. Http to a Palm Webcam server from a CLIE with NetFront you get the same result.

Are there any Safari users out there who can http to a Palm Webcam server?

If you see the "Palm Webcam" text at the top, then the server is indeed working. So the problem is likely with the loading of the java applet. The java applet is extracted from the pw.jar archive. Could it be that the Safari browser does not handle loading applets from archives?

[clievideo]

There have been a few posts about Mac compatibiity: how about via VirtualPC on OS X? I've been able to get most Windows XP apps to work quite well on my iBook G4 with VirtualPC and--despite not having tested this--I'll bet Palm Webcam will work.

Thoughts; comments?

Cheers
Gus

Hi Gus,
I have not heard if this works yet, but please let me know your results if you test Palm Webcam on your iBook while running VirtualPC. :)

[McGus]

I'll try today with my NZ-90.

Cheers
Gus

[McGus]

No joy on VirtualPC with the NZ90; not necessarily a problem with Palm Webcam because I couldn't even get my NZ90 to hotsync on VirtualPC with WindowsXP. My T3 hotsyncs fine in VirtualPC, but the NZ has always been a little picky on XP even on an Intel box, never mind on an Apple iBook via VirtualPC. Other camera-enabled PDAs supported by Palm Webcam might work in VirtualPC (if Hotsync works) but I don't have any of those so I can't do any other testing. Sorry.

[Drikus]

Great app. But got two wishes.

+ ability to zoom at PC end.
+ display screensize, white bal, lum, effect controls at PC end.

[ramos96]

:D

Ok everybody I have the file hosted on my website. So Mr. ClieVideo, you can reference me as an alternative download link if you like.

http://clie.netgodz.com/

I hope soon to have a lot more files and information that we all like online.

[jjbelmonte]

Why it can't run in windows 98?
I try to install it, but it ask for a newdev.dll driver... Mr. Clievideo, please make it for win 98...

[potna]

ok noob question, but i cant get this cam thing to work....on the web.exe on the pc it says not connected..

[clievideo]

Why it can't run in windows 98?
I try to install it, but it ask for a newdev.dll driver... Mr. Clievideo, please make it for win 98...

Windows 98 are missing functions that the driver uses, thus it will not run on this version of Windows, sorry. May I suggest that you upgrade to Windows XP if you have that option.

[clievideo]

ok noob question, but i cant get this cam thing to work....on the web.exe on the pc it says not connected..

Start the Webcam app on your Palm, connect the Palm with the PC and then push the "Stream" button to start streaming. The PC app status will then change to "Connected", if not you will get an error message in the Palm app.

[TheZodiac]

What would be REALLY cool (and I hope this isnt asking too much) would be to use them as a network cam, like the ones with the built in webserver offered by D-Link and AXIS. I have a zire71 and since it now can be used with the SD WiFi Connect... that would make a sweet accessory :)

So.. am I crazy or what? (dont answer) :p

[clievideo]

What would be REALLY cool (and I hope this isnt asking too much) would be to use them as a network cam, like the ones with the built in webserver offered by D-Link and AXIS. I have a zire71 and since it now can be used with the SD WiFi Connect... that would make a sweet accessory :)

So.. am I crazy or what? (dont answer) :p

Ok. I wont answer.

Is the Zire71 Wifi card available in stores yet?

[TheZodiac]

Yes it is. Ive seen it all over eBay too, watching a few, about $75 average NIB. Best deals Ive seen have been internet retailers and eBay, though.

[clievideo]

Yes it is. Ive seen it all over eBay too, watching a few, about $75 average NIB. Best deals Ive seen have been internet retailers and eBay, though.

Do you have one of these yourself? This product seems to be in limbo to me...Sandisk states that the original Wifi SD card for PPC will not work with the Zire 71, and that for some unknown reason a new hardware version is required.

If one looks at Sandisk's site http://www.sandisk.com/retail/c-wifi-sd.asp it only mentions one Wifi SD card, which says that it supports the Zire 71 _but_ here are no drivers to download.

Anyone actually bought one of these and used them successfully with their Z71?

[TheZodiac]

Supposedly the rivers are directly frok Sandisk or Palm? Im not sure if they come on the CD themselves with the SD card, but there is a review of it somewhere at BRIGHTHAND.com or BargainPDA.com So at least we know it works.

I have been trying to sell mine, because the Z72 was released and I thought I could get BT for the Z71...lol. Though with no luck selling it, I might just get the SD-WiFi card and see wht happenes.

[philpalm]

If you go to the first post (1 0f 9) their website is still up:
http://www.clievideo.com/
They are still selling the palm cam and have lightspeed 3.0 for sale. Lightspeed is another method to increase the cpu speed.

[philpalm]

See this photo of the th55 webcam setup.

http://www.clievideo.com/img/th55_webcam_small.JPG
I wonder if Dan T ever did this?