Using both NX70 *and* NX80

[AndyK]

I have no regrets that I bought an NX80, even though my NX70 is mysteriously working again.

Questions about the transition (the NX80 hasn't arrived yet):

Can I automatically just synch the NX80 to my current desktop with the NX70's data and stuff?

Are the charging/synching cradles identical? Are there other substantive physical differences I should know about? Charging cable and the like?

Do I install the NX80 software *over* the old stuff? Or do I put it in a new directory?

Plus:

My plan is to use the NX80 as my primary PDA, but to try to keep the NX70 as a backup, so I won't be totally lost if the NX80 goes south and will have somthing to use while I find a new PDA.

Can I just synch both units to the desktop, thus keeping all three uniform and uptodate?

In terms of battery life, is it best to keep the NX70 charged up, even if months go by before I need to use it? Or should I just let it be and charge it up if and when the NX80 has troubles?

Any other cautions about either the transition or the notion of keeping both machines going from the same directory and data?

[CLiENX]

FYI, I am using both of NX70V and NX80V, with diff username but hotsync both units to same the same palm desktop for clie apps. U can use the same palm desktop version but make sure that the desktop apps has been upgraded to the latest version (one of the system update for NX70V). If not, or the easiest route is to install the palm desktop apps from your NX80V CD on top of the existing palm desktop app, as the version in NX80V is the latest one. Again, U can always use the same cradle for both hotsync and charging purposes, as putting the second cradle will only mess up your table. Point to note here is U need to have two separate usernames as the system component and updates for NX80V and NX70V are very difference and need to be backed up in two separate usernames.
And, I make sure that my NX70V is not running out of battery, as i believe that letting your NX70v not charging up for long period of time will affect the battery life, similar like the battery in mobile phone.
THNX

[clie_wannabe]

FYI, I am using both of NX70V and NX80V, with diff username but hotsync both units to same the same palm desktop for clie apps. U can use the same palm desktop version but make sure that the desktop apps has been upgraded to the latest version (one of the system update for NX70V). If not, or the easiest route is to install the palm desktop apps from your NX80V CD on top of the existing palm desktop app, as the version in NX80V is the latest one. Again, U can always use the same cradle for both hotsync and charging purposes, as putting the second cradle will only mess up your table. Point to note here is U need to have two separate usernames as the system component and updates for NX80V and NX70V are very difference and need to be backed up in two separate usernames.
And, I make sure that my NX70V is not running out of battery, as i believe that letting your NX70v not charging up for long period of time will affect the battery life, similar like the battery in mobile phone.
THNX

you are right about the system components and updates are different from both models... however, if you do want to sync your NX80V with your NX70V using the same Hotsync username, all you have to do is clear up your Backup folder for the specific username in the Palm directory (in the local pc)

ps: since i have a automatic backup software like BackUpMan, i dont require backing up to the desktop anymore (i disabled it at Hotsync manager)... thus i sync both my NX70V and my NX80V to the same username... well its also easy since i use the same memory stick for both...

[clie_wannabe]

In terms of battery life, is it best to keep the NX70 charged up, even if months go by before I need to use it? Or should I just let it be and charge it up if and when the NX80 has troubles?

sony mentions that battery life for the NXes are for three years AFTER manufacture...

note: it is not THREE years after your first charged... so it wouldnt make much a difference *i would think*

[AndyK]

I'm still a little unclear here.

I've installed everything from the new CD over the old stuff (having backed up all the old stuff I could find into another directory).

I've installed the new machine with a new user name (figuring it will be easier to undo if necessary).

I don't expect to use both Clies at once and I want them to share the same data. The main difference I would expect is that I'll have more apps on the new one since it has more memory.

What do I do to synchronize the databases for both "users"? Or should I just change the name of the new one to the same as the old one? What is the "backup" problem involved? I would love to just call them the same thing and simplify matters and have them synch as the same user on the desktop, unless it creates problems. but, failing that, I can synch them as separate users IF I can make sure that they're accessing the same data records in dBook, Memo pad, etc.

[AndyK]

Oh, one other thing I forgot:

The NX70 has Graffiti, and the nX80 has Graffiti 2. Is there any way to get them both to have the same thing? I mean, I can adjust to a new system, if necessary, but if I *do* sometimes use both units, going back and forth with writing systems will drive me nuts.

[CLiENX]

The graffiti apps reside in the ROM, as one of major component of the palm OS, and I don't foresee any method to upgrade the graffiti to v2. Please take note that U still need to hotsync both pda to two different usernames, because of the different of system component and updates for NX70V and NX80V, and if U really wnat to share the record in memo for example, U can try to copy the database file from your username back up directore, under the realted application (c:/Program Files/Sony Handheld/(USERNAME)/(related application)

THNX

[clie_wannabe]

The graffiti apps reside in the ROM, as one of major component of the palm OS, and I don't foresee any method to upgrade the graffiti to v2. Please take note that U still need to hotsync both pda to two different usernames, because of the different of system component and updates for NX70V and NX80V, and if U really wnat to share the record in memo for example, U can try to copy the database file from your username back up directore, under the realted application (c:/Program Files/Sony Handheld/(USERNAME)/(related application)

THNX

there is a way to use/upgrade to Graffiti 2 on your NXes - search through ClieSource (now known as 1src)...

[clie_wannabe]

Oh, one other thing I forgot:

The NX70 has Graffiti, and the nX80 has Graffiti 2. Is there any way to get them both to have the same thing? I mean, I can adjust to a new system, if necessary, but if I *do* sometimes use both units, going back and forth with writing systems will drive me nuts.

NX80V should have Graffiti 1, unless you've already "upgraded" it...

[clie_wannabe]

Please take note that U still need to hotsync both pda to two different usernames, because of the different of system component and updates for NX70V and NX80V

it would be easier and simpler to do this - but as ive said, if you dont have to worry about the local backups, then you could basically sync to the same username... i do it all the time (and for all my clies)...

m,w,f = clie nx80v
t,th,sat = clie nx70v
sun = ux50
* tj-25 when i need to travel light...

ps: just to note: why do i need to sync to a single user name? its because most apps are registered (when you did procure them legally) to your Hotsync ID, and it is just difficult to request for different registration/serial keys for as many handhelds as i have...

[AndyK]

Hmmm... I bought this used off of eBay and it already had Graffiti 2 on it. Is there anyway to UNupdate it? (Downdate it?)

[clie_wannabe]

Hmmm... I bought this used off of eBay and it already had Graffiti 2 on it. Is there anyway to UNupdate it? (Downdate it?)

do a hard reset...

[AndyK]

This was refurbed, so I'm guessing they would have changed the ROM chip to have Graffiti 2. In any case, in Clie Files, I don't see anything listed on the handheld about Graffiti other than the Graffiti 2 Demo and Graffiti shortcuts.

[AndyK]

Okay, I hate to be a noodge, but I definitely need some more guidance here on both of my main questions.

It has become clear, as I have tried to install my favorite purchased apps onto the new Clie, that I need to have both machine have the same user name. It's even worth a certain amount of hassle with backup directories and the like. But I'm not entirely sure which directories we're talking about and what I have to do to them and when. Could someone give me more explicit instructions? Or, better yet, guide me to a resource that could?

Likewise, assuming that Graffiti 2 is in ROM in this refurb unit, surely there's a way to either add-on Graffiti 1 or alternately to update the old unit to Graffiti 2, even if it means I have to buy something.

[AndyK]

Okay, I've found the instructions on restoring Graffiti 1, so I'm probably set on that one, though I haven't tried it yet.

[meir87]

1) The NX80 comes with Graffiti 2 not one. If you've already found the instructions then you already know that you can copy 1 to the 70 from the 80 or 2 from the 80 to the 70.

2) If a LiON battery is going to be stored for an extended period of time it is best to store it with a full charge and recharge it every 6 months or so.

3) Long live the NX80 :D

[clie_wannabe]

1) The NX80 comes with Graffiti 2 not one. If you've already found the instructions then you already know that you can copy 1 to the 70 from the 80 or 2 from the 80 to the 70.


really? the nx80v comes with G2?
mine comes with G1 though... or maybe there is a difference between the US and Jpn ver?

[meir87]

It must be different for japan b/c if you look at the specs (http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=9lmv4zesx_Ov8HdmSGel6Hijw_DOmR9Fh-k=?CategoryName=hp_ClieSale&Dept=hp&TemplateName=item%2fsy_item_b&ProductSKU=PEGNX80V%2fU%2fR) on sonystyle you will see graffiti 2 listed under bundled software.

[AndyK]

Again, mine was refurbed, so I assume that, even if it didn't initially have Graffiti 2, the legal craziness over this at the time -- I think it's a non-issue now -- would have made Sony install 2 during that process.

In any case, I have now successfully downgraded the new machine to Graffiti 1, the only drawback being that Memo Pad, Datebook, and dBook5 no longer seem able to find Graffiti help when I can't remember a certain punctuation mark. I'd like to fix that, but it's not a big deal.

ClieWannabe, basically I think I want to be doing exactly what you're doing.

>>if you do want to sync your NX80V with your NX70V using the same Hotsync username, all you have to do is clear up your Backup folder for the specific username in the Palm directory (in the local pc)

I'm sorry: what am I supposed to do there?

>>ps: since i have a automatic backup software like BackUpMan, i dont require backing up to the desktop anymore (i disabled it at Hotsync manager)

Which things do I have to disable in Hotsync?

>>... thus i sync both my NX70V and my NX80V to the same username... well its also easy since i use the same memory stick for both...

I'll certainly be using the same sticks as well. (I have three that I used interchangeably on my old machine, and that never seemed to cause any problems.)

Maybe if I understood exactly what goes on with HotSync and backups, I could figure this out myself. Does anyone have a pointer to a detailed explanation?

I mean, essentially I want to a) retain the same username so I can use all my registered software, b) keep data consistent between both pdas and the desktop, and c) not screw things up. Which elements -- like system updates, for example -- do I need to disable in HotSync Manager? And then I need Backup software?

[AndyK]

ClieWannabe, why hast thou forsaken me?

[clie_wannabe]

ClieWannabe, why hast thou forsaken me?

andy, im really sorry... it is just that it is really difficult for me to reply to most posts during weekdays because of work...

but ill try to draft you a step-by-step procedure by tonight, ok?

cheers!!!

:)

[AndyK]

Ah, thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Seriously, I'm dying to get this worked out, but it can wait till the weekend, certainly.

Aren't there FAQs on this sort of stuff?