preventing "page is too big..." errors in netfront

[clie_wannabe]

i seem to be always getting the "page is too big... etc... etc..." errors in netfront, even though ive set the cache to either the MAX value, or to not use...

does anyone know of a way out of this?

thanks!

[mashoutposse]

Try the following:

-Play with the zoom button (green magnifying glass on bottom)
-Turn off images and CSS
-Turn off the cache
-Delete the cache from time to time

Any combination of the above should allow you to visit any page without problems.

[TheUltimate]

Netfont just is not a good browser, Try PocketLink, or Blazer they are much better browsers, with a lot less errors, and a lot quicker load times!!

[mashoutposse]

NetFront renders pages far better than any other browser. It's not even close. In addition, it allows you to download files from websites and access most SSL pages. When images are disabled, Netfront flies (faster than the others definitely).

[Unregistered]

Where do you get NetFront [for Palm/Clie]?
All I found on the Access site seemed to be for PPC..

[applejosh]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Where do you get NetFront [for Palm/Clie]?
All I found on the Access site seemed to be for PPC..

Net front is on the CD that came with the NX. Make sure you don't have much installed on the Clie when you try to install Netfront. I think I read it needs 6MB free to install (afterwards it only takes up a paltry 2MB).

[Cheechwhiz]

That "paltry" is making me verklimpt.
I get twitchy when I go under a Meg.
Funny how that twitch did'nt come on me before 'til I went under a 100K w/ my III-C.... gotta love the ol' technological curve

[bluguru]

Many people use power run to put it on MS once it is installed (must install before moving!). I have done this an now can hoover around 3 MB free!

[Jun]

Originally posted by clie_wannabe
i seem to be always getting the "page is too big... etc... etc..." errors in netfront, even though ive set the cache to either the MAX value, or to not use...

does anyone know of a way out of this?

thanks!

Try the following URLs listed on these sites:

http://www.shorecom.com/palmsites.html

http://www.cantoni.org/palm/links.html

I don't think you will ever get that annoying error message.

NetFront is a true browser better than PocketLink and WebPro (I tried all of them). Try going to www.cnn.com on PocketLink and you'll see what I meant.

But still, Opera Browser and Picsel Browser are other choices. I have not heard an Opera version for Palm and I wish they will release one. Sony has to license the Picsel Browser as they did on Picsel Viewer for NZ, but I doubt it because they already went for NetFront from ACCESS.

BTW, Picsel Browser supports Landscape browsing mode. Imagine doing that in NX or NZ!!! :D

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[n2ifp]

Originally posted by mashoutposse
NetFront renders pages far better than any other browser. It's not even close. In addition, it allows you to download files from websites and access most SSL pages. When images are disabled, Netfront flies (faster than the others definitely).

Here again, what good is it if you have to disable everything? I think it terrible for rendering pages. What a nightmare trying to use the magnify features with all the scolling and waiting around for a page to load. Sheesh, if I am lucky enough to get a page to load without errors, then having to start all over again, it would be great, maybe. I don't understand where some think NetFront is such a great app. I think it's nothing, but crap:)!

I tried using it without a cache too, still N.G.

I can use Blazer or WebPro and get a nice easy page to read without wasting half my lifetime futzing around.

I am sorry, the piece of crap Sony gave us makes me mad:mad:!

[patrickl]

You are really being too hard on the program. I still think it's the best browser available. Landscaped, it might even be better, but I like how the sites look the way they are supposed to look. I hate scrolling all around in PocketLink to find something that should have been just a tad to the left of where I'm currently reading.

Actually, PocketLink doesn't work on my Clie anymore. I added WEP encryption on the WiFi connection and ever since it just resets the Clie when I start it.

To also post a bit on-topic: If you are having problems it might help to go for the printer friendly version of a page (often there is a button on the page for that).

[applejosh]

I have NetFront installed on the memory card ala PowerRun, and it works just as well as it did in RAM. That being said, it didn't run all that well when it was residing in RAM full time. The page too large errors are annoying as anything. I agree that you shouldn't have to disable everything to get it to work correctly. I can't even get it to render this site, which is strangely ironic. That being said, I haven't had much luck with the alternatives. Blazer is slower and doesn't look particularly great. WebProV was OK when it was available, but it didn't let me download non-palm files (eg. zip's) to the memory stick. And PocketLink crashes a lot, and I can't get it to do SSL. (Anyone know what filename I need to be looking for that, or if I need to install something else on the NX? NetFront does SSL OK, and I didn't see anything that looked like an SSL file in the NetFront directory under PowerRun.) One trick I learned to keep PocketLink from crashing on startup (I have WEP as well) was to initiate a connection before starting PocketLink up. It's a pain in the arse to remember to do sometimes, but it works for me. (Note: this will have to be fixed before I pay for it. Hopefully, something will come out in the next 10 days.)

Cheers!

[mashoutposse]

Here again, what good is it if you have to disable everything?

NetFront pages look far better than those rendered by PocketLink, WebProV, and Blazer, even when everything's disabled. Seriously.

The magnifying glass has three settings -- Full View (the closest to IE; horizontal scrolling required), Standard View (still very close to IE; all text blocks resized to eliminate horizontal scrolling), and PDA Optimized View (all page elements resized to eliminate horizontal scrolling).

Full View is best for closeups of pics and pages with frames (yet another aspect of web browsing not handled particularly well by the other applications). This view is the most detailed and IE-like, but also gives the most "Page Too Large" errors and requires the most horizontal scrolling. It is also the default -- too many people make inaccurate judgments of the app based solely on this view.

Standard View is the best all-around view for browsing. It retains a great deal of the original page formatting while rarely needing any side-to-side scrolling. It fits an amazing amount of text onscreen, since it takes advantage of the screen's higher resolution (smaller text). In this view, pages load very quickly (noticeably quicker than any of the other browsers), and the "Page Too Large" errors are greatly curtailed (and pretty much eliminated when images are off). This view completely obsoletes the other browsers, as far as I'm concerned. I use this view 80% of the time.

PDA Optimized view is perfect for those few pages that aren't properly rearranged in Standard View. This view is the most like the other browsers, but is still superior in that it still retains much more of the page format than the others, and puts the CLIE's high resolution to good use. One fault is that things can get very cluttered on certain pages (but that's what Standard View is for). I use this view 15% of the time -- in combination with Standard view, I have absolutely no reason to continue to use the other browsers.

NetFront is by far the best PalmOS browser out there. Without images, it brings up most pages instantly (ironically, making it the best for no-frills browsing). While NetFront is more prone to tossing around PTL errors with images on, the majority of pages work perfectly fine. Also -- I have found CSS to be the major culprit of "Page Too Large" errors.

I especially don't get how anyone can say that the others are noticeably faster. All three of them are slow when images are enabled. PocketLink, with its spastic download status bar, tricks you into thinking that it is faster -- it is by far the slowest of the four. Blazer is the fastest of the inferior three, but then again it renders pages worse than the others. Its pages look far worse than those created by Netfront. FAR worse. WebProV doesn't render pages much better than Blazer, yet it is slower (and pretty flaky nowadays).

Just go to CNN.com with each of the browsers and compare (turn off CSS on NetFront). No contest.

[patrickl]

Very well put

[mashoutposse]

Here's what CNN.com looks like in NetFront in Standard View with CSS off:

[mashoutposse]

Pics disabled:

[mashoutposse]

CSS on (PTL error prevented full loading of page):

[applejosh]

Just to follow-up, the new version of PocketLink (2.54) doesn't appear to crash on me like it used to.

[n2ifp]

Grrr! I can't even access PocketLink (v2.54) at all, without a fatal exception error. Don't these people test this stuff???

The fixes just make it worse!

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by mashoutposse


NetFront pages look far better than those rendered by PocketLink, WebProV, and Blazer, even when everything's disabled. Seriously.

The magnifying glass has three settings -- Full View (the closest to IE; horizontal scrolling required), Standard View (still very close to IE; all text blocks resized to eliminate horizontal scrolling), and PDA Optimized View (all page elements resized to eliminate horizontal scrolling).

Full View is best for closeups of pics and pages with frames (yet another aspect of web browsing not handled particularly well by the other applications). This view is the most detailed and IE-like, but also gives the most "Page Too Large" errors and requires the most horizontal scrolling. It is also the default -- too many people make inaccurate judgments of the app based solely on this view.

Standard View is the best all-around view for browsing. It retains a great deal of the original page formatting while rarely needing any side-to-side scrolling. It fits an amazing amount of text onscreen, since it takes advantage of the screen's higher resolution (smaller text). In this view, pages load very quickly (noticeably quicker than any of the other browsers), and the "Page Too Large" errors are greatly curtailed (and pretty much eliminated when images are off). This view completely obsoletes the other browsers, as far as I'm concerned. I use this view 80% of the time.

PDA Optimized view is perfect for those few pages that aren't properly rearranged in Standard View. This view is the most like the other browsers, but is still superior in that it still retains much more of the page format than the others, and puts the CLIE's high resolution to good use. One fault is that things can get very cluttered on certain pages (but that's what Standard View is for). I use this view 15% of the time -- in combination with Standard view, I have absolutely no reason to continue to use the other browsers.

NetFront is by far the best PalmOS browser out there. Without images, it brings up most pages instantly (ironically, making it the best for no-frills browsing). While NetFront is more prone to tossing around PTL errors with images on, the majority of pages work perfectly fine. Also -- I have found CSS to be the major culprit of "Page Too Large" errors.

I especially don't get how anyone can say that the others are noticeably faster. All three of them are slow when images are enabled. PocketLink, with its spastic download status bar, tricks you into thinking that it is faster -- it is by far the slowest of the four. Blazer is the fastest of the inferior three, but then again it renders pages worse than the others. Its pages look far worse than those created by Netfront. FAR worse. WebProV doesn't render pages much better than Blazer, yet it is slower (and pretty flaky nowadays).

Just go to CNN.com with each of the browsers and compare (turn off CSS on NetFront). No contest.

Not to be sarcastic or anything, but some of use have different expectations from our browsers. When I want to get my news or check the weather using NetFront, forget it, too much of a hassle turning graphics on or off. Using WebPro or Blazer it's a snap! All I need to do is use my Jog Wheel and scroll the pages at a time and still can see the pretty graphics.

I paid good money for my wireless NX, all the horizontal scrolling, waiting for pages to load up more, having to switch views to access links, just the whole totality of it all almost caused me to throw my precious NX against the wall in shear frustration.

I still feel that PPC has the Palm beat in this area. It was slow, but sure. Perhaps a landscape view would make life easier.

BTW, your screenshots look very nice and I appreciate your examples. I still find it frustrating to use and the Page to Large errors far to frequent for satisfactory viewing.

I do realize that NetFront has capabilites that the other browsers don't have. I still feel though, that NetFront isn't ready yet for prime time.

The other problem I had was the readability of the text, my eyes don't focus as well as they use to:).

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by n2ifp
 Oops, I hit quote by mistake instead of edit :(.

[oneeyesquare]

I have had a good experience with Netfront. I routinely surf here with images on no problem. The only page I get the PTl error on is the home page. A cache cleanout will often work to load the page.
I keep CSS, java and animations off. Most sites render well w/o these anyway.
I will admit that my surfing experience has been better on the NZ than the NX. Something has noticably improved and has been noted by others who switched to the NZ.
I usually use the minimized version of rendering. I have 20/20 so it's like a little mini-page. The mid rendering gets a little garbled sometimes. I like things in roughly the same spots. Every now and then if I'm reading an long article I'll switch. The maximized rendering is , quite simply, amazing... Yes, you have to scroll, but it looks exactly like the page you view on the desktop!!! I do seem to get moe PTL errors, but frequently can reload the page after a cache cleanout.
For me, I don't expect the same functionality of a desktop surfing experience. It's a PDA... I'm just amazed that I can walk into another room with a little handheld and access the internet with a similiar view!!!

[wyattwong]

Where can I get WebProV ?

[Shipwreck]

Originally posted by mashoutposse
NetFront renders pages far better than any other browser. It's not even close. In addition, it allows you to download files from websites and access most SSL pages. When images are disabled, Netfront flies (faster than the others definitely).

Heck, Netfront doesn't show graphics right anyway, I don't know about you, but after a few minutes of browsing on my TG50, the pictures start to not show up correctly. With or Without CSS on. They pop in and out as I Jog around. I've never had this problem with WebPro or Blazer, Or even with pocketlink for that matter. I don't really care if a page is displayed as it would be on my Desktop, all I want is to get what I want, when I want. As far as I'm concerned the only thing Netfront has going for it is frame support. Unfortunately that's not enough to make it worth the Trouble.