Is it my impression, have some cliesource members moved on?

[depret]

It would be sad but I must admit I have looked around. Noticed the HP pocketPC rumor and can understand Sony's announcement a bit more. The HP 1910 did make some of us look. The specs look pretty good. http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=2059

[Xorand]

I bought my TJ37 the day after Sony's announcement. I'm not too worried. It should last a while, and I expect Sony will still support repairs on it. Once it dies (hopefully quite a while from now), I guess I'll just have to pick up a Palm next go-round.

I was swayed by PocketPC, and my last unit was an HP 1910. I kept it about three months, then sold it on Ebay for a fair loss. The unit fairly sucked. My biggest complaint was that you could not lock out the front-panel buttons (that I found, anyway). Whenever you carried the unit somewhere that might rub against or press the buttons, the unit would turn on.

Since I carried it in the front pocket of my briefcase, it was always having the buttons depressed at one time or another. More times than not, I would pull the unit out only to find the battery completely dead and all my information erased.

I never could find a good case for it, and it didn't come with anything from HP. When I tried using a generic case, the case itself would push the front buttons and drain the battery, too.

Besides not being expandable (no SDIO), it was a royal pain in the butt, often requiring a reset to function properly. And that was without any hacks or third-party apps loaded on it.

Even with all the various writing methods on it, I can still write faster in Graffiti. Therefore, after long consideration, I purchased my TJ37 for its features and price. Shame Sony's backing out on us now, though. However, I'm more than happy with my purchase.

[depret]

Malcolm,
Welcome. Your experience is good info. My TH55 will last awhile before I must pickup something else. Treo600 and T3 made me look also. Basically, screen resolution and slider respectively made me wait and end up with the TH55 (happy). As always, the specs do not tell the whole story and I will be reading the reviews and would like to hear rumors and opinions at our new home.

[CWolf]

At the end of the day, the hardware could be amazing but if the OS and software are crap then it's wasted.

I like PalmOS - it is a pretty perfect OS for handhelds (and is customisable via 3rd party progs like ZLauncher).

[Jim Cooke]

The trouble with moving is that not everyone gets your forwarding address. :) Some people just didn't (or haven't) found their way over here yet. Still others may have decided this wasn't the forum for them and have moved on.

Since the vast majority of us here appear to be Clie users according to the poll, I don't think there's wholeslae jumping ship to the PPC. My T665 still works perfectly fine and does everything I need it to do. I also still use my 1999 era Psion 5mx and my 2002 era Diamond Mako, even they are also orphans. All three still do things I need to do that one machine alone can't replace. If someone comes up with a thin, half-VGA color model with a keyboard as good as the Psion and a screen as good as the T665, I'd be sorely tempted. Since I don't see that on the horizon yet, I'll be happy with what I have.

[winexprt]

Long Live The Clie! ;)

[meir87]

The trouble with moving is that not everyone gets your forwarding address. :) Some people just didn't (or haven't) found their way over here yet. Still others may have decided this wasn't the forum for them and have moved on.

Since the vast majority of us here appear to be Clie users according to the poll, I don't think there's wholeslae jumping ship to the PPC. My T665 still works perfectly fine and does everything I need it to do. I also still use my 1999 era Psion 5mx and my 2002 era Diamond Mako, even they are also orphans. All three still do things I need to do that one machine alone can't replace. If someone comes up with a thin, half-VGA color model with a keyboard as good as the Psion and a screen as good as the T665, I'd be sorely tempted. Since I don't see that on the horizon yet, I'll be happy with what I have.
Aren't you basically describing a TG50?

[Jim Cooke]

Not unless a 320x320 screen qualifies as half VGA. I'm looking for a 280x640 screen like the Psion 5mx so I don't spend all day scrolling around to see a web site. The TG50's keyboard, which better than nothing, certainly isn't even close the quality of the Psion 5mx or even the Diamond Mako's keyboard. And 11 Mb's of user RAM? Even my Psion and Diamond Mako have 15 Mb's of user RAM available.

If anything, the TG 50 is an example of Sony's failure in the market place. They gave it a fast processor but 11 Mb's of RAM to use with it. They gave us a keyboard that so small it's hardly useable and made sure that common keystrokes required all sorts of finger gymnastics to type in even common characters.


No, the TG is not what I described. :)

[kp*]

It does seem like the boards are less active now, which is strange since we just combined two forums and there seems to be less traffic than ClieSource had. I hope if some people are a little spooked or disillusioned with all the changes that they find their way back soon.

I hope to stick to Palm OS for a long time. I enjoy how many developers there are, and how much of the software is free or very cheap. If you want your PDA to be able to do something that it doesn't currently do, there's a very good chance a developer is working on a solution, or will start working on it if a few people ask for it.

[vision]

Greetings,

I check to see who is logged in too, and find more visitors then members on this new site at Prime time. I do see the guys who establish themself from ClieSource on 6-01-04 to date. Not the traffic I'm use to.

Vision

[ClieKun]

Long Live The Clie! ;)
HERE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[depret]

Back at cliesource I noticed,a great threads would have about 100 views per post. Here I see about 20-30 views per post. I also compared forum post counts on other palm devices here and at other forums. Other forums seem to have a stronger palm membership participation (not counting clies). I agree, this site seems to be dominated by cliesource members or maybe clie user are more vocal (I doubt it). How about some statistics from the cliesource moderators? How do the numbers compare before and after the transitions? Please let us know.

[jstimson]

I tended to lurk on cliesource and only throw in an occasional comment. The Cliesource home page was well laid out and easy to read and made it convenient for seeing items of interest.

Now I find that I'm missing a lot of stuff. The new home page feels more cramped and harder to take in. Most of this is due to a pretty small font and squeezing things into 2 columns on the page. I run at a high resolution on my desktop and 1src is the only page that makes me squint to see what's going on. And no, I'm not going to change the font size on my browser just to read the one site that gives me eye strain.

So maybe traffic is slower not only due to missing members, but also due to change in layout of the home page.

[depret]

I tended to lurk on cliesource and only throw in an occasional comment. The Cliesource home page was well laid out and easy to read and made it convenient for seeing items of interest.

Now I find that I'm missing a lot of stuff. The new home page feels more cramped and harder to take in. Most of this is due to a pretty small font and squeezing things into 2 columns on the page. I run at a high resolution on my desktop and 1src is the only page that makes me squint to see what's going on. And no, I'm not going to change the font size on my browser just to read the one site that gives me eye strain.

So maybe traffic is slower not only due to missing members, but also due to change in layout of the home page. Please your comments to the 1src Comments/Suggestions thread. Thx. http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55907

[anniebluesky]

Well, I am still here...but in shock from Sony's announcement and ClieSource's change. Too much all at once. And I simply haven't posted. I feel a little lost here at CS, and miss the old forums. I really have a dislike for the "Older Clie" forum...bad choice of words. I guess I will get over the shock of it all...eventually.

None the less, I read the posts. And hopefully someday I will come out of the blues :( and become a more active member again.

[sdkat2]

It definitely seems less busy than Clie Source, which is a little scary since they combined the two sites and it should logically be busier. I think the sooner we get back more of the old look (and I believe some of that is being worked on), the sooner things will pick up. The forum format on both of the old sites were far easier to navigate and much more fun to browse. They definitely had a "cozier" and more friendly feel for all users than the new site does.

However, I'm not giving up on 1SRC and I love my TH55, so it's still the best place to be. :)

[viper_2_4]

ya, I dinfinitly miss the specific SJ/SL forum, it was very usefull........

[ClieKun]

How many members did we lose?

[pavneet]

Not unless a 320x320 screen qualifies as half VGA. I'm looking for a 280x640 screen like the Psion 5mx so I don't spend all day scrolling around to see a web site. The TG50's keyboard, which better than nothing, certainly isn't even close the quality of the Psion 5mx or even the Diamond Mako's keyboard. And 11 Mb's of user RAM? Even my Psion and Diamond Mako have 15 Mb's of user RAM available.

If anything, the TG 50 is an example of Sony's failure in the market place. They gave it a fast processor but 11 Mb's of RAM to use with it. They gave us a keyboard that so small it's hardly useable and made sure that common keystrokes required all sorts of finger gymnastics to type in even common characters.


No, the TG is not what I described. :)

Agreed. I was a happy owner/user of the Psion Revo and was very much looking forward to their Quartz palmtop reference design. By a process of elimination I ended up being a TG50 user after Psion pulled out, but if I could get the keyboard of the Revo (I have heard that the 5Mx keyboard was substantially better yet) I would jump at it. The only objection I had with the Revo is that with its hinged design you couldn't really operate it by holding it in one hand as I have become accustomed to with my TG50. This is why the Quartz design was appealing.

As far as OS go, EPOC and its base applications were wonderful. I am still perplexed that I have to do jiggery-pokery to keep multiple addresses for a single contact under PalmOS (I use SuperNames). EPOC's agenda and contacts application were incredibly efficient. Simple things like when you do a quick search, the search would include last name *and* company name fields and produce a subset of records that I could review without have to perform the search all over again.

Do I sound wistful...*sigh*. You bet!

[Vidge]

It would be sad but I must admit I have looked around. Noticed the HP pocketPC rumor and can understand Sony's announcement a bit more. The HP 1910 did make some of us look. The specs look pretty good. http://www.bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=2059

I haven't moved on - yet. I ordered the Dell X30 (624 mhz) before the Sony announcement because I am curious about the lure of PPC. I just got it yesterday. I'm still firmly in the PalmOS camp with my T3 but looking into my crystal ball, I see PDAs as we know them going by the wayside in probably 5 years, and my beloved PalmOS sooner than that :( So what started as a curiosity has turned into an imperative IMHO.

[ClieKun]

Winexprt does not post as much neither does Chicky :(

[anitanium]

i liked the customized logo's for each clie model at the top of the page
so that when i went to cliesource, i would just click at the top link and i found what i was looking for..


and i think that the 100post count may contribute to the lack in posts
albeit not relevant posts, but still posts

[winexprt]

Winexprt does not post as much neither does Chicky :(

I know buddy. I just find this site not as navigation friendly as CS. Namely the icons on the top of the page for each model & all the forums listed at once on the left side of the page. Those two things really need to be brought back. Made navigating the site such a breeze.

Joel & Reggie...are ya listening to us? Your loyal members. :D

[rhinoman]

I agree with Anniebluesky about still being in shock over Sony's decision. Yes, we all knew it was coming, but it is still a shock (if that makes sense) Also, I agree with winexpert about the site's interface. Cliesource was eye-catching and very user friendly. This site will take a bit to get used to.

I am happy about merging with palmonecity. For me, I don't have to go to two different sites to check on palm news like before.

Hopefully, the site will evolve and more of us will feel more comfortable in navigating here.

rhinoman

[ClieKun]

I know buddy. I just find this site not as navigation friendly as CS. Namely the icons on the top of the page for each model & all the forums listed at once on the left side of the page. Those two things really need to be brought back. Made navigating the site such a breeze.

Joel & Reggie...are ya listening to us? Your loyal members. :D
oh wow he around :D Great! :)

[ech18]

Ahh I have found my Psion buddies :)

I also wandered around and went for a TG50 very nice, but what would i give for that sort of screen and processor with a Revo keyboard! I have a feeling someone missed a hole in the market. UX50 looked promising but not quite the same oh and Mum said no! Well any keyboard is better than none, enjoy.

[vision]

I too mentioned that the Clie's picture icons at the top of page were missed and requested them back to use on the new 1SRC site. Please, bring it back it really gave site (ClieSource) flavor which is still needed here. Any one else agree or is it just me (spoiled).

Vision

[meir87]

I guess if they put them back they would have to only be available on a clie portion of the site. Otherwise they wouldn't really fit since you would have to have 18 buttons (8 clies + 8 palmone + zodiac + ique).

[ClieKun]

MORE BUTTONS! :D ?! Well I guess it would be better.

[kp*]

I never used the buttons, but I really miss the forum list on the left side of the screen.

[ClieKun]

I never did either. Don`t know why thou.

[winexprt]

I never used the buttons, but I really miss the forum list on the left side of the screen.

So do I. Hopefully Reggie & Co. will find some way to incorporate this in a visually pleasing way onto the new site.

[Hobbit]

I never used the buttons, but I really miss the forum list on the left side of the screen.
I agree completely!
Also, I really miss the PDA friendly version, I (and no doubt alot of others) found this an extremely useful and quick way to stay up-to-date (check out the CS thread about using the Clie in the "head"), on the road over BT, or before I left home for work (sometimes via WiFi sitting in my car, in the drive way), and it was much quicker than booting a PC.
I really like the "look" of the combined site, but, I find my self accessing this site significantly less than CS.

[hamsammich]

Still here with my Clies.

[Hrun away]

Now I find that I'm missing a lot of stuff. The new home page feels more cramped and harder to take in. Most of this is due to a pretty small font and squeezing things into 2 columns on the page. I run at a high resolution on my desktop and 1src is the only page that makes me squint to see what's going on. And no, I'm not going to change the font size on my browser just to read the one site that gives me eye strain.

This is my one gripe. I can control my computer from the sofa with my phone using bluetooth :)
But I cannot increase the font on this website which means I cannot see it from the sofa like I can other websites

Try it and see ?

[vision]

It works, try another browser

Vision

[vision]

You guys are right about the forums list on the left, it was very helpful and I probably used it more then the upper icons list. But the Icons gave more Clie Flavor to site that set it's self apart from other sites because of that appealing look it had. Now the Forums list was much quicker to navigate, getting you where you wanted when browsing the topics or posts. I think the response to getting it back will be: that format will impose on text space on the page and we would have to remove the page by page advertisement on the right hand side.

That's funny, I bet you did not even notice the Advertisement on the right I did just now.

That just hit me instead of Ads move in the Forum list. It is about the size as this H&R placement.

I know... I know..., that's not going to happen.

Vision

[rldunn]

I guess if they put them back they would have to only be available on a clie portion of the site. Otherwise they wouldn't really fit since you would have to have 18 buttons (8 clies + 8 palmone + zodiac + ique).For this reason, I wouldn't plan on seeing the picture forum links added back to the top of the page. However, like many of you, I REALLY miss the text forum links on the left side of the page and will continue to push for them to be added back. It will help though if anyone who misses them lets Reggie know, with the best way probably by posting in the Comments/Suggestions forum. I do know that there are changes to the front page being planned, including some old features (albeit, much enhanced) from the old CS/POC. Unfortunately, his employer is continuing to make him work there as well, so give him some time!!

[strider_mt2k]

Ahh,

I was wondering why there hasn't been a lot more tweaking going on since the new site came up.

[Ebonygurl00]

I haven't moved on - yet. I ordered the Dell X30 (624 mhz) before the Sony announcement because I am curious about the lure of PPC. I just got it yesterday. I'm still firmly in the PalmOS camp with my T3 but looking into my crystal ball, I see PDAs as we know them going by the wayside in probably 5 years, and my beloved PalmOS sooner than that :( So what started as a curiosity has turned into an imperative IMHO.

I agree! I think that within 2-3 years, PDA's will become extinct. This is really sad because I have just gotten into PDA's in 2002. I have owned the Palm m130, iPaq 3850, Tungsten E, and I now use the iPaq 1910 as my primary PDA. I just got the iPaq 1910 about a month ago, but I just ordered a laptop to replace my iPaq 1910. I was gonna buy a TH55, but now that dream is over. I can finally move on from lusting after Clie's and now lust after laptops and notebooks. BTW: I'm 16 years old, so I couldn't really beg my parents for a Clie because they always said Sony was crap. Guess it's good to listen to your parents once in a while. :p

[iboar]

The HX 4700, just one of the new HP iPaqs coming this summer:


4" VGA display
Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition
Wireless connectivity: Infrared Port (SIR), Wi-Fi 802.11b, Bluetooth v1.2
Intel Bulverde 624MHz processor
Memory will consist of 128 RAM / 64 ROM
CompactFlash AND Secure Digital Input Output card slots
D-Pad replaced with a touchpad navigation system
New magnesium casing
Powered by a 1800mAh lithium Ion battery with an option for a 3600mAh
Dimensions would be 129 X 77 X 14.7 mm

[meir87]

That sounds really nice except for the 2nd bullet. Where did you see that?

[iboar]

That sounds really nice except for the 2nd bullet. Where did you see that?

iPaqAbilities.com (http://www.ipaqabilities.com/reviews_articles/articles/0504-coming_attractions_vgaipaq.php).

[ClieKun]

The HX 4700, just one of the new HP iPaqs coming this summer:

4" VGA display
Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition
Wireless connectivity: Infrared Port (SIR), Wi-Fi 802.11b, Bluetooth v1.2
Intel Bulverde 624MHz processor
Memory will consist of 128 RAM / 64 ROM
CompactFlash AND Secure Digital Input Output card slots
D-Pad replaced with a touchpad navigation system
New magnesium casing
Powered by a 1800mAh lithium Ion battery with an option for a 3600mAh
Dimensions would be 129 X 77 X 14.7 mm
Maybe Sony thought they could not go up with these new devices. They sure do look sweet.

[depret]

Hey guys, your PocketPC comments would be better in other threads. For example, check the rest of the line. http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56675 ClieKun, l agree. Back on topic, thanks for the response. I am still sad that moderators have not given us some status. Maybe Sony put that in the NDA also.

[ClieKun]

Hey guys, your PocketPC comments would be better in other threads. For example, check the rest of the line. http://www.1src.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56675 ClieKun, l agree. Back on topic, thanks for the response. I am still sad that moderators have not given us some status. Maybe Sony put that in the NDA also.Well I assume that the Moderators think I am more of a pain then help :(

AnyWay......... The switch from CS to our new home seems to better then I thought it would be. It seem to be lighter on my system then the old CS was.:)

[depret]

ClieKun,

No problem. The 7 PocketPC in 3-4 months should draw some Clie user away and off to other forum. Did not think of the argument.

depret

[ClieKun]

ClieKun,

No problem. The 7 PocketPC in 3-4 months should draw some Clie user away and off to other forum. Did not think of the argument.

depret

Well I say this, I drawen to the PPC after seeing those Ipaqs!...........Well Thats true some do get off track with some subject matters. But Hey it does cause people to think alittle more then topic thinking don`t you think?:)

[iboar]

An interesting article on PalmInfoCenter (http://www.palminfocenter.com/view_story.asp?ID=6898) discusses how Nokia is very close to having their purchase of Psion's stock in Symbian approved. This will give Nokia over 46% of the Symbian stock. I mention this because Sony is using Symbian in their Sony-Ericcson smartphones. The Ericcson CEO is concerned that Nokia might gain a majority interest in Symbian and thus make Symbian a Nokia OS. I wonder how this news might affect Sony's decision to drop the Palm OS. Perhaps they will have to rethink it because I doubt they would want to use a Nokia controlled OS in phones that compete with Nokia.

[vision]

iboar,
Now that is news, thanks for that link. The big "ifs" are going to make company's sweat in the Board room. I see the Sony executives in a lot conference calls. Serves them right "if" a take over happens.

I believe Motorola own it and sold it earlier?

Vision

[iboar]

I believe Motorola own it and sold it earlier?
Vision

I did a Google search and found this on the Symbian website (http://www.symbian.com/about/history.html).

"Symbian established as a private independent company in June 1998, owned by Ericsson, Nokia, Motorola and Psion."

[iboar]

I just found this image on the Symbian website, it looks like Nokia could be closer to a majority stake than that article implicated.

http://www.symbian.com/images/chargrph/ownrshp.jpg

[ksjenkins]

You have to admit as soon as ClieSource and PalmOneCity merged into 1src it became kind of obvious that everyone was automatically granted access here. ClieSource has pretty much become redundant, now that everyone has figured it out, ClieSource is now 1src. Just another exit on the info highway. ClieSource exit is still open but alas it is a ghost site (listen to the wind).... Thanks ClieSource you served us well.... :D

PS: If you look nothing has been posted to Cliesource since May 29th.

[ClieDad]

I haven't moved on but I do miss good ol' ClieSource. As for jumping ship, I think not! I only regret not taking better care of my NX60. I always thought I would be able to purchase the latest and greatest Clie whenever I wanted to. Now I have to make this one last.

[Jim Cooke]

PS: If you look nothing has been posted to Cliesource since May 29th.

Umm...yes, that's because you haven't been able to post anything at CS since the site was shutdown for "maintenance" on May 29. If people were still able to post there, they probably wouldn't be here.

[ashVID]

I havent been around much. Sold my Clie and got pounced on when trying to discuss the future of the PalmOS... lots of angry people over here...



ash =o)

[depret]

I havent been around much. Sold my Clie and got pounced on when trying to discuss the future of the PalmOS... lots of angry people over here...

ash =o)What did you sell and what are considering?