Let us all Eat Cake...... Sony cake

[vision]

Notice,
Be sure to get your Cake from Sony!!! I did.
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[th1nm1nt]

:confused:

[vision]

http://www.ualberta.ca/~norris/cake.html

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[C.L]

I dont get how that relates to Sony, interesting though...

[theVariable]

Is that supposed to be common knowledge?

[vision]

Think about Sony being Royalty and Clie users the peasants. Since Sony drop off Clie, it's like the peasants are starving (upgrades/drivers). Sony's demeanor is, who cares...., similar to "let them eat cake" (let them manage on their own).

Vision

[C.L]

Deep, not for me. Lol, you gotta understand there are young uns' and ol' uns'. Logically I get it but its just not my type of "humor".

[vision]

Not meant to be humor, more like to making a point. But if you get a laugh that's a bonus too.

Vision

[winexprt]

Think about Sony being Royalty and Clie users the peasants. Since Sony drop off Clie, it's like the peasants are starving (upgrades/drivers). Sony's demeanor is, who cares...., similar to "let them eat cake" (let them manage on their own).

Vision

She never said "Let them eat cake".

Historical myth. Like G. Washington and the cherry tree story. :)

[ClieKun]

She never said "Let them eat cake".

Historical myth. Like G. Washington and the cherry tree story. :)


I will take cherry :D And whip cream! :eek:

[rcxAsh]

Nifty correlation here. I've never actually thought about this before..

But now that Sony's gone.. what will I do when I want to get a new PDA? What the heck will I do with my memory sticks and WiFi memory stick? The cost of those put together is enough to buy myself another TG50. So... it's gonna really suck if I have to switch to something else. I will have to start over again... buying SD cards.. and if it doesn't have builtin wifi, a wifi SD card...

Though, I know that some of you have even more accessories than I do. I don't think that I'd consider us peasents, but... really, what are you going to do with all your accessories when you upgrade? You can't take them along with you anymore.

Sure, you can put your memory sticks into your digital camera.. but I'm still wondering what I'd do with my WiFI memory stick.

I'd like some cake... but I don't want to get my thumb board all sticky. Since there are going to be no more US Clies, my TG50 needs to last a lot longer.

[IsLNdbOi]

Nifty correlation here. I've never actually thought about this before..

But now that Sony's gone.. what will I do when I want to get a new PDA? What the heck will I do with my memory sticks and WiFi memory stick? The cost of those put together is enough to buy myself another TG50. So... it's gonna really suck if I have to switch to something else. I will have to start over again... buying SD cards.. and if it doesn't have builtin wifi, a wifi SD card...

Though, I know that some of you have even more accessories than I do. I don't think that I'd consider us peasents, but... really, what are you going to do with all your accessories when you upgrade? You can't take them along with you anymore.

Sure, you can put your memory sticks into your digital camera.. but I'm still wondering what I'd do with my WiFI memory stick.

I'd like some cake... but I don't want to get my thumb board all sticky. Since there are going to be no more US Clies, my TG50 needs to last a lot longer.

Ditto. :(

[vision]

Finally... we just some thinker in here, with goods comments.

This thread evolved from another debate on this link below:

http://www.1src.com/forums/showpost.php?p=637211&postcount=14

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[rcxAsh]

BTW, reading the 1src article again,
Presently, Sony is reassessing the direction of the conventional PDA market, and Sony will not introduce any new Clie handheld models in the U.S. this fall. Product development and sales continue for the Japanese market only. Sony is taking this time to examine the conventional PDA business and how it will transition into the future.
So, Clie is not completely dead. If I move to Japan, I will be able to keep on using my WiFi memory stick :) :rolleyes: はい　はい。。hai hai.. gotta learn Japanese first... でも　.. demo.. Clie is not actually dead.

And.. I may be just dreaming and hoping for the best, but it says that they will not be releasing any new U.S. models this fall and that they are currently examining the PDA business. So... if I'm dreaming right, there is a slight chance that Sony may reenter? Wishful thinking.. but the article is vague.

Edit:
Whoa, the Japanese text actually showed up (you may need language packs to see?). Anyways, just my opinion, but I think that PDAs are still a rather important thing. In general, many people use them still. I mean, you're not going to lug your notebook around as your day planner.. and most current cellphones, text entry is cumbersome with.

Again.. this is where convergence comes in again.. But it makes sense. Mostly everyone who has a PDA has a cellphone. So.. smartphones like the Treo are probably the future. So maybe if Sony were to reenter, they would pump out these devices. Although, doesn't Sony already have these kind of devices? So.. perhaps they're almost through with PalmOS.. but we may still see some future Treo-like smartphones from them?

[Flash-57]

She never said "Let them eat cake".

Probably not.

Check out this link for more comments,

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_334.html

[zwergnase]

First, Sony did not abandon the CLI.
In Japan the line is alive and well and that's a market of almost 100 million people.
I also believe that the rest of Asia (China, India, Korea) will continue to be of interest for Sony.
I for mine see some techincal, manament flaws in the Sony PDA series that migth have contributed to their demise, but in general I fault the lacking western consumer sentiment here.
Let's face it people. Folks in Europe are *extremely* hostile to technological novelties. I know that until recently kids where told in schools that "computers make you dumb, don't use them".
In Germany they still have an index for many computer games, because they believe that kids should be prevented from spending to much time in front of the monitor. In short, Sony brough out a lot of rapid fire models and was impyl not able to sell the consumer on them.
Just look how many different models they brought out during the last 2 years and in e.g. Germany people haven't even gotten to accept the PDA as such yet. Indeed the Spiegel says as much in a related artikel on its web site.
In the US the PDA took mostly off as a status symbol and a technical geek toy. Then the industry discovered it for remote data entry, but as usual with the industry, went with Windoze (PPC).
Its really that simple: "Nobody got ever fired for buying Microsoft".
And then the novelty factor for PDAs wore off.
The industry had gone WinCE and the geeks went off to "wearable computers" built into all kinds of appearal, and multi-use items like, Cell Phones.
Yes, those dreaded camera, sneek peek under the girl's skirt, take picture and then post on the Internet cell phones.
Despite their total inferiority in technical capabillity, they are the latest "hot" thing. Thus people buy them now to "show off" instead of PDAs.
In Japan on the other side, people actually *use* those units for everyday jobs.
Here in the west, eBook reading is still frauned upon, people still things its cool do do your bank account online (don't you just hate those stupid e-banking adds, too?) and some moron at Radio Shack tried to convince me the other day that those metal stripes in the $ bills are a secret tracking device.

Despite all management screw ups that Sony surely made with their CLIE line, the main reason for their retreat from Western markets is simply the lack of widespread acceptance of such Laptop/Desktop replacements as those latest CLIEs where designed to be.

I for my part use my NZ90 exactly as that and am totally hapy with it.
But if all you're using on your PDA is the address book and every now and then some 2D game and maybe when its your birthday you'll listen to some puny MP3 tune, then why pay the $700-800 for a multimedia behemoth like the NZ90???
You'll be perfectly happy with your cell phone. Heck, western kids pay hundreds of $ each month just for downloading the latest ring tones to their phones. That's what its "in" and "cool", but most certainly not what CLIEs where meant for.

So stop putting all the blame at Sony here and start to learn Katana :-)

[rcxAsh]

Well said, zwergnase.

Clies are probably more than the average user wants in North America/Europe currently. They're priced for what they do, and I guess people here see that as too much.

But I do know that there are some people here who love these added capabilities. Those here on ClieSource for one, but at my father's workplace, they are usually issued Palm handhelds. One of his coworkers returned his standard issue Palm Vx and went out and bought a Clie for himself.

I agree, however, that it is not as widespread here. But it seems like it's slowly, slowly catching up. PalmOne's handhelds are starting to become more multimedia oriented. I guess that Sony was just too early.
So stop putting all the blame at Sony here and start to learn Katana :-)
wah, learning Katakana... Hehe. I know some Hiragana... well.. actually.. only one character.... :P not very helpful...:rolleyes: (I think that の is pronounced as "no"... correct me if I'm wrong..)

[vision]

Do you know what a poor sport is? When you are a giant in business and decide to shut down camp because you are losing battles. This make you a coward in my book.

It does not have to be that way if you are losing, just make more killer products with killer apps. People will recognize and purchase them. When Sony started spreading it self thin by and attacking in other markets with poor innovations such the iPod killer/ Connect - music store or PPS (Pocket PlayStation) that will be pale in comparison with it's competition, to resorting in pulling out of an once very successful market, is plain stupid business management. This reaction proves Arrogance into besting the other guy (Apple) and Lack of Confidence in their product development team (Clie against PPC future).

If profit was to blame maybe someone leaked to the buying public that Sony is slow to provide good service to customers (providing Updates/ Tech. support). So maybe if they improved their image and respond with a functional product development scheme, .... less proprietary then past Clie models and giving 3rd party developers more room to improve Sony's technology, perhaps the market could be owned by them. Instead the Sony decision to cut our losses, tuck our tails between our legs...., head for the hills, and throw out the baby with the bath water. How can anyone still respect them!

I respected the Clie's future by the purchased of the flagship model (UX-50), realizing it's potential as an portable device of the future, but so much more can be done and is still untapped. Now in the name of marketing surveys the US Clie line is halted to it's new grim future.

By the time they realized their mistake they will be so behind trying to play catch up. History repeats it's self, this mistake had been made before. The Apple Newton once owned the PDA market but since trying to save Apple the CORP the business decision to drop the PDA dept. was to invest in it's current Soft/Hardware line to save the company. I do not think Sony is in the same boat, .... just running scared.

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[zwergnase]

rcxAsh:

wah, learning Katakana... Hehe
Well, its pronounced "Katana" in German, but heck knows how the Japanese pronounce it :-)
In any case, neither is the CLIE dead, nor is Sony out of the PDA market.
There *are* more people alive and well in Asia than in Europe and the US combined after all.
But fact is, Sony needs to make a profit here.
Someone please tell that to vision guy.

Do you know what a poor sport is?
Do you know that Sony Electronics is not in the sporting goods biz?
They also have those pesky people called shareholders over in Japan, who are actually insulting enough to insist on a return for their investment.
Free market economy is not a "game of chicken" where the guy who gets of the gas pedal last gets to go home with the gorgeous babe.
If you do that in corp. live your employees get to draw welfare checks, soon.

The Apple Newton once owned the PDA market
Now this just shows to me that you got no clue what you're talking about here. There was no PDA market when the Newton came out, and Apple's doomed attempts to create one did cost the company millions of $.
The PC department at Apple subsidized the Newton until their looses there threatened to take the entire company down.
Fact is that no one back then took the idea of hand held (pocket) PCs seriously. Not even the IT press. And when then the Newton had those insistent problems with OCR, they tore Apple apart over it.
The ridicule could be heard from mountain top to mountain top.
Well, my Palm still can't get my scribe right, but no one make a big fuzz over it.
Fact is, that just like in real estate location is everything, so is timing in IT marketing.
And the market just didn't take the idea of IT in Star Trek gizmo size serious, at a time when experts(!) were still raging over whether or not a laptop could be called a full fledged computer equal to a PC.

Sony can neither force western consumers to accept palms as PC replacements, nor can it afford to play "last one switches the lights out".
And if they stick to PIM sized units only, then people can indeed ask "why buy a PDA if my new cell phone already got all that built in"?
The phone companies spend billions of $ for their new UTMS (GSM) licenses when the IT bubble was still growing, and now they are so desperate to get their money back that they almost give away those new gizmo phones for free. They can do pretty much everything that my old Handspring Visor could.
Sure, they are lousy in speed, expandability and their display is laughable.
But they are considered "cool" and "sexy". They are what's "in" now.

Now which fashion magazine in the West ever stated that carrying the equivalent of your office PC with you in your pocket is "cool" and "in"?

Do you know that in Japan being a workaholic is considered "sexy"?!

And your attributes of "cowardice" for Sony are laughable.
The PDA sales in Europe e.g. dropped 45% for Sony in 2004 alone!!!

[ClieKun]

ok, I read it and I still have no idea what is the topic in this issue?!

[rcxAsh]

rcxAsh:

Well, its pronounced "Katana" in German, but heck knows how the Japanese pronounce it :-)

Hehe, I don't know either. It's just that Windows 2000's Japanese IME has "Katakana" listed as one of the input methods/alphabets.


Sony can neither force western consumers to accept palms as PC replacements, nor can it afford to play "last one switches the lights out".
And if they stick to PIM sized units only, then people can indeed ask "why buy a PDA if my new cell phone already got all that built in"?
The phone companies spend billions of $ for their new UTMS (GSM) licenses when the IT bubble was still growing, and now they are so desperate to get their money back that they almost give away those new gizmo phones for free. They can do pretty much everything that my old Handspring Visor could.
Sure, they are lousy in speed, expandability and their display is laughable.
But they are considered "cool" and "sexy". They are what's "in" now.

See, this could be one reason why Sony will not reenter the PalmOS market. Doesn't Sony already have their own line of these PDA/Cellphones? (eg, the Sony Ericsson P900 (http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=ca&lc=en&ver=4000&template=pp1_loader&php=php1_10101&zone=pp&lm=pp1&pid=10101))

And as mentioned earlier, if Sony does decide to return, they may have lost their market share. People may be scared to purchase another proprietary Clie as they've already seen Sony backout in the past.

I know that if I were able to fully switch over to PalmOne or a type of PPC and Sony just reentered, I'd probably be wary about switching back over.
ok, I read it and I still have no idea what is the topic in this issue?!
Hehe, it seems like it's evolved from a thread about eating cake.. to how some French queen did not infact say that her people should eat cake.. to a discussion about Sony's leaving the US PalmOS market.. with a brief thought about how the Japanese pronounce "Katakana/Katana" thrown in for some added flavour. :) :p

[ClieKun]

Hehe, it seems like it's evolved from a thread about eating cake.. to how some French queen did not infact say that her people should eat cake.. to a discussion about Sony's leaving the US PalmOS market.. with a brief thought about how the Japanese pronounce "Katakana/Katana" thrown in for some added flavour. :) :p
I like the idea of cake :D Oh I see now. Well I say its easier to talk about Katakana for some then learning it :D For some of the people.
Thank You:)

[ClieKun]

BY THE WAY :D I like Chesse cake :D

[Flash-57]

It does not have to be that way if you are losing, just make more killer products with killer apps. People will recognize and purchase them.


Wow. I never knew the business world would be so easy to conquer. Just make a killer product and the money will start rolling in.

Unfortunately, in real life, it really isn't that simple. Do you think Sony is purposely trying to create sub-par products and lame applications? I'm sure that they ARE trying to make killer products and killer apps every time they sit down at the drawing board.

resorting in pulling out of an once very successful market, is plain stupid business management.


Well, at this point, we really don't have the whole picture. Sony may have pulled out for godd, or they may be repositioning themselves for something bigger. We don't know for sure.

In any case, I'm quite confident that they didn't make the decision lightly. There are millions or billions of dollars of current and future income at stake. The CEO didn't just wake up one morning and say, "I had a vision last night ..."


By the time they realized their mistake they will be so behind trying to play catch up.


Maybe, maybe not. Sony is a huge, multi-industry company. They are continuously looking to acquire new and profitable technologies and cut loose those that aren't cutting the mustard.

I really don't know why they are cutting off the Clie line. It looked to me like they were doing fine. But then, I'm not a corporate accountant.

I did notice, however, that, of all the people I knew who owned a PDA, I was the only one with a Sony. Everyone else has a Palm or a PPC. So, maybe Sony wasn't doing too well with the Clie line afterall.

[Jim Cooke]

The Apple Newton once owned the PDA market but since trying to save Apple the CORP the business decision to drop the PDA dept. was to invest in it's current Soft/Hardware line to save the company. Vision

You're kidding, right? The Newton never owned more than minor share of any market. The most optimistic estimate I've ever read is that the Newton peaked at 200,000 units in use at one time. This was at a time that Psion and HP were selling millions of palmtops. The original Newtons were big, heavy, expensive, and didn't work very well. By the time Apple started to get things right with the Newton, it was 1996 and the Palm was released. The Palm killed off Psion, the HP palmtop line, and the Newton. Once again, people voted with their wallets as to what was the most cost-effective solution to getting their work done. The Newton was draging Apple towards bankruptcy. If it hadn't been killed off in 1998, there's a good chance there wouldn't be a Mac on the market today. So, what was the right decision - run with your tail between your legs and save your company and thousands of jobs, or or keep producing the Newton in defiance of all logic because you liked it? I suspect that the vast majority of Mac users today and all the people employed by Apple are happy that the correct business decision for the survival of the corporation was made.

[vision]

zwergnase,
Your lack of reading the full submission and the scanning of my post to pick on issues you want to reply to with your generic general replies that fit any business undertaking. Your frivolous jotting does not address the issue of Sony failure, just excuses them. Did you feel uncompelled on subject: Reason for Clie's numbers dwelling. Let me help you, could it be self inflicted due to Sony's End User Support, lack of response to it's consumers cries - listed in Cnet and all other news article reviews, TV spotlights on CNN and Tech-TV, Public internet Forums plastered request and Letters to company to improve areas that are in need (...UX has no portrait mode a big complaint) all product review seemed to have an common complaint that never got realized. I really don't need to wonder why sales dropped in Europe when I know why they dropped in the USA. Are you from the USA, I feel you are not familiar with our terms: Poor Sport.

Did you ever care in your research where the name PDA came from and who started the market to where it is today with innovations - touchscreen, syncing...... There was too a market when Apple started, ever heard of Tandy it's a partners of a place call Radio Shack I believe it was out there, do more research .

Lastly, would it not be easy for Sony to merge the Clie into the product that is now getting all the Pub*. Take a look at the UX 50... just add the Phone capability and you have a Brand New Clie Smart Phone. Well what do you know...., nooo that might be too hard of them being Japanese and unable to reproduce devices to making them better and smaller no way can they do that, it's impossible.... . zwergnase; PRONOUNCED (zero-knows') I'm done with you.

Vision

*Publicity

[zwergnase]

vision
"blah blah blah"

Germany's chancellor Gerhard Schroeder: "Whoever has visions should visit his shrink".

[vision]

Z, Thanks for the compliment.

Vision

[ClieKun]

"The Apple Newton once owned the PDA market " wow those were the good O`das :(

[Samagon]

...could it be self inflicted due to Sony's End User Support, lack of response to it's consumers cries - listed in Cnet and all other news article reviews, TV spotlights on CNN and Tech-TV, Public internet Forums plastered request and Letters to company to improve areas that are in need (...UX has no portrait mode a big complaint) all product review seemed to have an common complaint that never got realized.

Wow! Such blind vehemance from somone who claims to have "vision."

First off, "lack of response to [its] consumers' cries?" When the S300 was introduced, people complained that it did not have the multimedia features everyone expected. Sony then introduced the N710C. While not a multimedia powerhouse by today's standards, it was a very exciting product because it integrated an mp3 player and had a color (high-res), backlit screen--all of which are standard nowadays. Then the company introduced the NR70V (won't list all the features, but you get the idea). It was really something different and for the first time in a while, I got excited with PDAs again.

From here, people wanted:
-integrated wireless (i.e., BT and WiFi): NZ90,UX40,UX50,TH55,TJ37,TJ27
-voice recorder function: NZ90,NX80,NX73,UX40,UX50,TH55
-higher res camera: NZ90,NX80
-more RAM: UX50,TH55,(TJ37?)
-better battery life: TH55 definitely, UXseries (maybe)
-and all in a single device (NZ90,UX50 and to some degree, TH55)

While it took them a little while, they listened. Did each device measure up to each individual's particular preferences? Did they match ever single wish? Was every single item/feature/design idea incorporated? Probably not, but for the most part, yes. Just because you want something in a device doesn't mean that the company can deliver it every product cycle. There are things called components, manufacturing cycle and schedule, marketing costs, dealers willing to showcase products on their shelves, and finally consumers who don't yet see the need for all these features.

UX in portrait mode may have been a wish list item for most you posted, tally up all the individual requests and most likely, you can get enough people to justify the company's decision to support this. Additionally, even if they did, there's no guarantee that people would buy it. And this is the crux of my argument: just because people post (passionately and vehemently) on user forums and online news sites about certain features, doesn't guarantee that they will buy your particular product. There is after all, this thing called competitors, and they could very well introduced similar items. If the company incorporated every consumer wish the CLIE would have all those features and cost $200. While it's easy to arm-chair quarterback product development, the real thing is much different and more complex.


Now, to your gripe about support. while there are many legitimate claims out there, at the same time, think about the size of PalmOne v. Sony, then think about the number of products (and subsequent versions) each company manufactures. Finally, take that 'guess-timate' and multiply with global presence. You get the idea.

Its easy to knock on a customer service rep for not knowing all the technical aspects of a CLIE, but chances are, if that's the only job the service rep could get, he/she is probably:
-getting paid minimum (or close to) wage, and therefore,
-not able to afford a $400-$600 device, which in turn,
-does not allow them the opportunity to know all the intricate details of the device.

now, i'm not discounting the occasional unwillingness to help/ineptitude/laziness, but blame the entire organization for this would be like hating the U.S. because you hate George Bush.

[vision]

Samagon,
Samagon the guest, I'll be quick with you. Lets use the Retail store, the Clie UX50 and Members of this Forum as an example: The UX series released sometime in August/ Sept. 2003, plenty of people purchased one. Right off the bat people started a flood of returns. Reason? 6 out 10 had a whining problem. Reaction? Retail stores did less selling and more returning then expected, resulting in Retail stores running out of stock. What did Sony do? Memo to retail stores, to any Halt any further returns for exchange with Whining screen problem and send into Sony for Service. No problem there for trying to fix, but when the customer picks up their Fairly New UX50 and find the same problem unfixed after claim check invoice states repaired or replaced screen, tested fine. New Problem? Customer is upset complains, writes reviews in this forum (ClieSource), reports feedback to Survey companies and word gets out and the UX is not recommended (people wait till the next model). Final Results? Slump in sales!

Since you maybe a casual browser, you are probably unaware of the plague of reports about the Service horror stories in: Sony's attempt in repeated open service tickets on Whining Screen. Stories about Sony going through the motions in it's attempt to repair but never did any work other than a simple Power reset.

I know with this type of Service and Defective runs (lot) of the UX50, I did not recommend to any of my inquiries, how could I and still be in good standing. My simple judgment come first hand in reading reports, research and communication with sales manager's honesty. I've seen the Open Box sales at the retail stores more open boxes then new ones or no new ones. I wonder why? I also saw the pile of returns.

I feel that you are not a empathizing consumer because of your Guest status and more like an Customer relations plant trying to dispel or debunk my posting for the Sony's future interest. Look, I'm not buying Sony again for the simple reason they are too smart for my blood. In the printed resent words of Flash-57 "way too many times I get burned", No more. We quit just like you Sony. ...... Now I'm done with you Samagon the guest.

Vision

[ShadowOK]

Ditto. :(


It Suks That Sony Had To Drop Out Of The Game Here In The US, I Agree I Am Loaded For Bear With Memory Sticks, Extra Cradles, Etc. Looks Like I Will Be Switching Over To The All New IQue PDA/GPS Due Out This Fall From What I've Been Hearing.

[vision]

samagon is now samagonistes1 and turned member at 10:15 PM.

I wonder what promoted your signing in.

[samagonistes1]

New Problem? Customer is upset complains, writes reviews in this forum (ClieSource), reports feedback to Survey companies and word gets out and the UX is not recommended (people wait till the next model). Final Results? Slump in sales!
Wow! I never realized how extensively the uninitiated and generally oblivious-to-PDAs-consumer read sites like this. Your basic assumption is that because people complain on these sites, the other sequence of events (so obviously well documented within your argument) will and have to happen. As sites like these wield so much power, I wonder why hardware manufactureres even bother spending money on focus groups, advertising, promotions and R&D. They should invest all of their resources into making sure that customer complaints are never posted.

Since you maybe a casual browser, you are probably unaware of the plague of reports about the Service horror stories in: Sony's attempt in repeated open service tickets on Whining Screen. Stories about Sony going through the motions in it's attempt to repair but never did any work other than a simple Power reset.
You think that customer service horror stories are unique to Sony? I just to work in the automotive industry, and have friends who work for electronics companies (none for Sony), and it's in issue faced by EVERYONE!!

I know with this type of Service and Defective runs (lot) of the UX50, I did not recommend to any of my inquiries, how could I and still be in good standing. My simple judgment come first hand in reading reports, research and communication with sales manager's honesty.
First, if the information you get is from reports and the "honesty" of sales managers, then it isn't first hand. Second, you make no mention that you personally experienced any of these issues. Are you stating that your entire argument is based on other people's comments, or are you trying to muster support for your personal grievances?

I've seen the Open Box sales at the retail stores more open boxes then new ones or no new ones. I wonder why? I also saw the pile of returns.
Your guess is as good as mine.

I feel that you are not a empathizing consumer because of your Guest status and more like an Customer relations plant trying to dispel or debunk my posting for the Sony's future interest.
It's always convenient to use that "customer relations plant" argument when someone disagrees with your "argument," isn't it? Why not address my earlier points debunking your stance on how Sony doesn't listen to the customers in terms of features?

Look, I'm not buying Sony again for the simple reason they are too smart for my blood. In the printed resent words of Flash-57 "way too many times I get burned", No more. We quit just like you Sony. ...... Now I'm done with you Samagon the guest.
Too smart for your blood? Huh? :confused:
Re: your point on not buying Sony, that's fine, but don't make your personal gripe into a widespread consumer tide of opinion. While most may share your views here, "here" is not where most of the consumers go. Also, if you really are firm in your conviction to never buy Sony again, then consider this:
- Sony (along with Philips) invented the CD
- Sony invented the floppy disk (3.5 in version)
- Sony makes a majority of the CCDs in digital cameras
- Sony makes most of the broadcast video cameras that record the TV shows you watch
- Up until very recently, all most all of the broadcast content was stored on Betamax by the broadcasters (I never understood why everyone says that it failed, when 99.9% of all the re-runs they watch on TV was stored on Betamax by the broadcasters)
- Sony Pictures/Sony Music/Sony Playstation.


Vision, NOW you're done.
samagonistes, the guest

[vision]

Hey Sammay,

Thanks for the Compliment.

Vision

[samagonistes1]

No worries :p It's all in good fun.

[ClieKun]

No worries :p It's all in good fun.Nice picture..............dude!

[zwergnase]

samagonistes1 - that pic fits like a fiddle :-)
vision looks (and sounds) like he needs to take a cold shower

[ClieKun]

Whatever it is its funny! :D

[scandalex]

really, what are you going to do with all your accessories when you upgrade? You can't take them along with you anymore.

Within the same product, I'd consider an upgrade. Having to switch to something totally different is a crossdresser........I mean...crossover! :p

[rcxAsh]

Within the same product, I'd consider an upgrade. Having to switch to something totally different is a crossdresser........I mean...crossover! :p
LOL! You know what I meant though.. right? I tend to use the term upgrade for when I'm getting a new and better unit (regardless of brand).
I did notice, however, that, of all the people I knew who owned a PDA, I was the only one with a Sony. Everyone else has a Palm or a PPC. So, maybe Sony wasn't doing too well with the Clie line afterall.
Yah, same here. You know, I wonder sometimes whether people just buy PalmOne/PPC devices because of the name attached to it (eg, they don't bother to research what else is out there first). The term PalmPilot has become synonomous with PDAs. When most people see me with my Clie, they call it a PalmPilot. So, since PalmOne has the name Palm in it (and since it's the same company that made the PalmPilot model), they may just assume that it is the best way to go. And as for PPCs, if you look at one beside an average 320x320 PalmOS model, I'd assume that most casual lookers will automatically assume that the PPC has the better screen, which you can see more with. True, it has a larger screen, but it has a lower resolution. And of course, the PPC has a more Windows like operating system.

I think that people who don't research indepth (or don't know much about the PDAs of different companies) will often just go for a PalmOne or PPC model.

To date, I think that I can only recall seeing two other people besides myself with a Clie. I've of course seen numerous Palm/PalmOne models.

In fact, I didn't even know that Sony made PDAs (or used to) until I saw a Clie at Staples. And then, after researching some more, I changed my mind and bought an SJ20 instead of an m125. Surprisingly, they were the same price at the time.

Sony really had it going.

[vision]

Quick glance into the Background of the innovative history of a P.D.A.

This directly involves Apple's Newton see link:

http://www.c2ctravel.net/pda.htm


Vision

[samagonistes1]

I hardly consider what seems to be a high-school student's or high school's CIS class website as a definitive source of technological history---
I stand corrected, it's the CIS 101 website for the Fort Hays State University (an obvious academic powerhouse for young, budding minds!). :rolleyes:

vision, I can appreciate that you are probably learning about technology and all its wonderment; however--and contrary to your belief that one has to register on this site to be an authority on technology--I've been in electronics for a long time (some professionally, most personally), and quite simply, the information you get (as evidenced by your loosely woven arguments) is limited at best, laughable at worst.

You commented on the fact that I recently registered, and while its unnecessary to justify why I did, I felt compelled (even after reading so many other weak arguments) to contradict the "information" you provide because, quite frankly, you're wrong--not entirely, but mostly.

[ClieKun]

dum did da. the beat goes on and on .....................................

[vision]

For more details on the P.D.A., past going into the future:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000CD7C3-9B3B-1C75-9B81809EC588EF21&sc=I100322


Here is the main page to my prior post on basic on "Computing Technology" quite a bit of history:

http://www.c2ctravel.net/main.htm#Personal

Vision