Zire 72 -- improve the camera ???

[clicclic]

Has anyone tried "improving" the camera, as in removing the protective lens to see if the images improve, such as what some guy did to his Zire 71 (can't find the link!!!)?

I want to buy the 72 but it just seems like the camera is crapola. My buddy's Clié NX80 camera is pretty good though. Same resolution and presumably same manufacturer...

[tazzix]

Well you have a choice:

Take a few slightly above avg shots and ruin the lens
OR
Take avg shots for the life of the device, I ave seen people already complaining about hazard prone camera positioning. Well I keep my zire72 in a hard case which has a door you can slide open and close. The hard case hides the voice recorder and reset buttons thoug :( reset hole could have been near the USB connector cuz I need to hit that a lot.

I like the way Nokia 3650 protects its camera lens. And for better pictures get a real digital camera. If you can buy a zire72 at least look at the $11 Digital Dakota ;) 1.3 MP with FLASH even that takes BETTER pictures.

[Pdaman]

Does Nokia 3650 take better pictures than palm zire 72 ?

I have awser : :D :D :D :D i don't thing so ... :D :D

Tell me that then i (perhaps) can understand...

:D :D :D Ha :D

[Alsicole]

I think everyone's missing the point here. The Zire 72 camera is the same as any camera in a cellphone. It's for taking quick, fun , snapshots and e-mailing or texting them to your friends. It's not meant to be of the sort of quality you'd use for proper photography. I mean you wouldn't take your PDA to a mate's wedding and use it for the photos would you?

The camera is pretty basic, but in reasonable light takes a nice quick snapshot. If you're unhappy with the quality of the photos then you should be looking at buying a proper digital camera. If you bought the Zire 72 thinking you were getting full digital camera quality, then you made a wrong decision.

[Pdaman]

Alsicole
I know, i know...............

By the way sony clie nz-90 takes 2.0 mega-pixel pictures and usual (not digital camera) camera takes 2.0 mega-pixel pictures + sony is expert with cameras (i thing) so if someone want good pda where is camera it should buy nz-90 not zire 71 kind of usual quick snap pictures, but i thing that zire 72 takes good (enough) pictures...
But stil when nz-90 takes photos with nice resolution there is only 65000 colors, so anyway real camera should take care of these photos not pda devices...

[Alsicole]

I think the main issue here is lack of additional lighting, and to my knowledge there are no PDA cameras and only a couple of the newer Sony Ericsson mobiles that have any type of additional lighting. None of them have a flash that I'm aware of.

[bryus]

I just consider the "built in" camera as an extra feature that I will use only on a limited basis. I never use that as the deciding factor in purchasing a phone/PDA.

I have a "real" digital camera if I need real pictures. If I have a phone/PDA with me and there is something I need a pic of for general record, etc. then it's handy.

[Alsicole]

Exactly my point Bryus. If you're trying to buy a camera, buy a camera. If you're buying a PDA, then the camera should only be viewed as a bonus item, not as a primary reason for purchase.

[tazzix]

that is exactly what I was trying to say. I mentioned the nokia because it has a protective plastic sheet as part of the back cover, so you can never ruin the lens, if you ruing the cover, you can buy a faceplate ;)

A flash is necessary for a good picture that is why I mention the Dakota camera. But if you put a flash in a PDA you need a bigger battery. Sendo tried it but I never got to see any results of the Sendo X smart phone.

There is no such thing as panacea (no spell check here).

[Pdaman]

Does Nokia 3650 take better pictures than palm zire 72 ?

Then tazzix should thing does zire 72 capture good pictures or bad pictures...

[tazzix]

I think Canon A70 takes excellent pictures. Better than both Zire72 and Nokia3650.

go figure.

[The PDA Guy]

There are a couple of sample pix at my web site (www.thepdaguy.com) The pix are unaltered and are straight from the camera without any toucing up or adjustment.

[tazzix]

My photo-moblog has most pictures taken by the Nokia3650, they are MMSed directly.

Visit www.tazzix.com and click on blog, I know they are old but I am away from home and the pre-paid mobile services in US dont give you everything :(


But I still say nothing can beat a dedicated digital camera even if it is just 1.3 Megapixels. The flash makes a lot of difference. The pictures taken by "The PDA Guy" have the white balance issue which is so obvious once you click the thumbnails. No two adjacent pixels match even if they expose the same surface.

[Pdaman]

Real camera takes better pictures than zire 71 and nokia 3650 picture together, so i'm only targetting that why you anyway buyed palm zire 72, even you know that zire 72 have only 1.2 mega-pixel camera and you only want zire 72, because it have camera not for it pda details, and now you are saying that palm zire 72 is poor...
And why you have Nokia 3650, even it have worse camera than on zire 72 ?
Anyway all have their own opinion...

[tazzix]

so i'm only targetting that why you anyway buyed palm zire 72, even you know that zire 72 have only 1.2 mega-pixel camera and you only want zire 72, because it have camera not for it pda details, and now you are saying that palm zire 72 is poor

I did not "buyed", I bought and you need to improve reading skills as well. When did I say I bought the Zire because of the camera?

I say its not good which I only can figure out after buying one. All the reviews mark it a good PDA. I think Zire is not bad its the Palm OS which has so many limitations to keep itself stable. This is my first PalmOS based PDA so I never knew the OS. But I'll learn to live with it. My iPAQ grew big with its compact flash and thumb keyboard and no bluetooth.

But you wont understand simple English, and I dont know if I will be able to read/write the language you are more familiar with.

[Pdaman]

Bought, that was the word what was missing :p perhaps i need improve my reading skills but remenber that i'm in Finland so use only english only in english class and here in pda chat if we compare when you use english every day...

When did I say I bought the Zire because of the camera?
-I just conclude it...

But you wont understand simple English, and I dont know if I will be able to read/write the language you are more familiar with.
-I say this, this way : I understand english better than i can wrote it or speat it...

[bryus]

Everyone please remember that we have an international membership and not all of our members have english as a first language.

I will admit that I have some difficulty reading Pdaman881's posts but I take the extra time to decipher his meaning because I understand that he is clearly not fluent in english yet. However, I do admire him for making the attempt to communicate with the rest of us in this public forum with his limited english.

[Pdaman]

Everytime i will wrote/make best english what i can do, so if i wrote messages i will usually use this dictionary http://efe.scape.net/ , because it is free and don't need registrations and i will ask words from my mother what this dictionary don't find and of course my own english skills for wroting...

I will appreciate that some peoples will understand my position and for now i say thanks for all users and special thanks for bryus...

And If someone can find better FULL free english dictionary than this http://efe.scape.net/ please let me know...

[tazzix]

limited english should not allow to put words into other users mouths.

I take it as an allegation when people make assumptions and quote it as my words when I never said anything like that.

[SonyStyle]

There are a couple of sample pix at my web site (www.thepdaguy.com) The pix are unaltered and are straight from the camera without any toucing up or adjustment.
wow are those pictures taken by the zire 72? i am amazed if it is because i previously purchased a zire72 and disappointed with the camera, always green on the left side and red in the middle and i exchanged it 5 times and finally gave up on it and decided to get the sony th55 and i really like it

[SUCHY]

I think that buying a pda for a camera that has no flash, such as tha Zire 72 makes no sense. Pictures taken indors will come out grainy, and look horible when printed. Although the Zire 72 takes nice snaps outdoors in the sun.
I personaly will wait until a new generation oz Zires come out with a flash or at least a little external flash.

[uz50]

i just tried it the cam is still the same...Mmmm





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[meir87]

I think the main issue here is lack of additional lighting, and to my knowledge there are no PDA cameras and only a couple of the newer Sony Ericsson mobiles that have any type of additional lighting. None of them have a flash that I'm aware of.

The NZ90 has flash and the NX80 has a capture light...

[Alsicole]

Thanks for pointing that out, I wasn't aware. It would be nice if Palm/Sony had built this facility into some of the cheaper models though.

[meir87]

Your welcome :) .The capture light is pretty helpful but from what I hear, the flash on the NZ90 drains the battery completely after only a few shots.

[Alsicole]

I went to the press launch of the forthcoming Sony Ericsson mobile phones earlier this year. Each of the phones with in built cameras has the little 'photo light' built in. At short distances it's pretty good. I got the impression that it was particularly designed with nightclub use in mind - less startling than an actual flash.