KB11 modification for NX60/70

[Pen-Pen]

In this post, we will see how to do a modification that will make the keyboard KB11 work on a NX70.

[Pen-Pen]

For this modification you will need, a very small soldering iron, a small Phillips screwdriver, and a little 47Kohm resistor, and a little diode (I think a led should work)

If you're not a good welding man, please do not do the modification, or make it by a pro, the connector is really small, an unexpected evenment, and your keyboard is dead (like me, I have repaired my keyboard, but if I do the modification, my keyboard would be really dead)

Ok, let's do the modification.

First, look your keyboard like you're ready to use it with your clié.
Look at the connector, you will see two small dark screws, remove them with the screwdriver, and remove the black plastic mask.

You will see that
http://pen.2.free.fr/images/DSCF0250.JPG

The modification you'll have to do is on the pins 6 and 7 from the LEFT of the connector
http://pen.2.free.fr/images/phase1.jpg

now you have to weld the 47Kohm the diode in serial between the pins 6 and 7 to obtain this

6---------\/\/\/-----------------|<|---------7
47Kohm Diode

Test the modification with one ohm tester as well as a tester of continuity to check if there is no short-circuit.

After, install the Tungsten T Beta driver that you could find here (http://palm.www.conxion.com/keyboard19Beta.zip) , plug the keyboard, and test it.

I'm sorry that I cannot gives you some more pictures of the finished work.

If you had some question about this modification, please ask.

[mormegil]

Has this worked for anybody yet?

[rhart00]

Or you could just DL the drivers for the belkin G700 and plug the belkin keyboard into the bottom of the NX. hmmm....tough decision

[KlondikeLip]

Originally posted by rhart00
Or you could just DL the drivers for the belkin G700 and plug the belkin keyboard into the bottom of the NX. hmmm....tough decision

I wish it were that simple. For us suckers that already have the KB11, this would be a cheaper alternative...about 10 cents for the resistor and a couple of bucks for the bottle of aspirin you'd have to take to do this. I do some soldering at work but micro-soldering is a pain. My hands get too shaky. Too much coffee I guess.

[Pen-Pen]

For mormegil, the keyboard fully fonctionned with the modification (before I want to redone it with micro componmentand when my cat comes to say me "hello", and jump on my working table, see the keyboard thread for more details on this story)

For rhart00, I've tested the belkin drivers, and I can say to you that they don't work with the KB11.

If you want to use the keyboard, the only way is to done the modification and install the Tungsten T Beta drivers

For KlondikeLip, you may have one more thing : be patient

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Pen-Pen
For this modification you will need, a very small soldering iron, a small Phillips screwdriver, and a little 47Kohm resistor, and a little diode (I think a led should work)

If you're not a good welding man, please do not do the modification, or make it by a pro, the connector is really small, an unexpected evenment, and your keyboard is dead (like me, I have repaired my keyboard, but if I do the modification, my keyboard would be really dead)

Ok, let's do the modification.

First, look your keyboard like you're ready to use it with your clié.
Look at the connector, you will see two small dark screws, remove them with the screwdriver, and remove the black plastic mask.

You will see that
http://pen.2.free.fr/images/DSCF0250.JPG

The modification you'll have to do is on the pins 6 and 7 from the LEFT of the connector
http://pen.2.free.fr/images/phase1.jpg

now you have to weld the 47Kohm the diode in serial between the pins 6 and 7 to obtain this

6---------\/\/\/-----------------|&lt;|---------7
47Kohm Diode

Test the modification with one ohm tester as well as a tester of continuity to check if there is no short-circuit.

After, install the Tungsten T Beta driver that you could find www.conxion.com/keyboard19Beta.zip (http://palm.here , plug the keyboard, and test it.

I'm sorry that I cannot gives you some more pictures of the finished work.

If you had some question about this modification, please ask.

Is that a 47k resistor plus a diode? The cathode goes to pin 7, right? Any particular diode? I never heard of a 47kohm Diode in my 43 years of electronics. Unless this is something new? I am not trying to give you a hard time, just want to be clear, Thanks!

[Austinlam]

Merci, Pen-Pen for your information. I could not access your images. I cannot read your diagram. Is the resistor the VVV and the diode the |<|? or is it the opposite? Or maybe it doesn't matter? Please report the results of your work. Thanks again.
Austinlam

[Willber-Force]

Originally posted by Austinlam
Merci, Pen-Pen for your information. I could not access your images. I cannot read your diagram. Is the resistor the VVV and the diode the |<|? or is it the opposite? Or maybe it doesn't matter? Please report the results of your work. Thanks again.
Austinlam

1) You are right about which one is which
2) It doesn't matter.
:)

[MerlinW]

mod works great, Thanks

Merlin, N6OFY

[OcellNuri]

This is great. In less than a week we now have two keyboards that work with the NX, after months of waiting. :D Excellent job Pen-Pen.

[ptiger]

After the mod, does the KB11 still work on the NR? I use both units interchangably.

[thack]

PenPen,

Congratulations on doing something that many have wanted! Curiously, how does the resistor/diode combination work? Is this connecting DTR to RXD or Reserved to DC+B? How did you figure out how to make it work?

Thanks,
Terence.

[pelaca]

The new driver version is here...

Stowaway Portable Keyboard V 1.9.6F (http://www.thinkoutside.com/support/clie/driver7595.html)

[Pen-Pen]

ok first i want to thank you all for your replys

for n2ifp this is a 47Kohms plus a diode, the resistor exist in France, so I think you could find it. For the diode an electronician tell me that anyone should work.

For ptiger, the keyboard will work with your NR, the diode is here as a protection, if the diode is not here, the pda may have some problems if you use the keyboard for a long time (especially with the sj series).

For thack, the resistor act as a pull out, and the diode as a protection. You have to connect the dtr and the rxd. For the last thing, I've found on the net some documents about the connector, and a friend have the pad for clie who had this system.

Thanks pelaca for the drivers.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Pen-Pen
ok first i want to thank you all for your replys

for n2ifp this is a 47Kohms plus a diode, the resistor exist in France, so I think you could find it. For the diode an electronician tell me that anyone should work.

For ptiger, the keyboard will work with your NR, the diode is here as a protection, if the diode is not here, the pda may have some problems if you use the keyboard for a long time (especially with the sj series).

For thack, the resistor act as a pull out, and the diode as a protection. You have to connect the dtr and the rxd. For the last thing, I've found on the net some documents about the connector, and a friend have the pad for clie who had this system.

Thanks pelaca for the drivers.

Thank you!

For some reason I missed your reply and I am glad you cleared up things. The resisitor limits current and changes the logic state to high and the diode is like a one way valve&nbsp;which protects voltage from back feeding. So any small signal or general purpose diode&nbsp;should work. Unfortunately, I don't have any KB11's to test it out on. I asked these questions, being somewhat electronicaly inclined, to help others who may comtemplate modifing their own. At this point in time, any NX owner who has a KB11 knows it's worthless. So if some are adept enough, they could possibly get one working and no longer have something worthless. The point is, one really has nothing to lose in a keyboard by trying. One caveat, it is possible to damage the clie if pins get shorted by solder splashes and the like if they are not careful.

[carlosmari]

: I want to know about how can i use this agent without
pencil. for example
at the microsoft office i can use the tab to use the menu but in this
agent
i don t have any idea how can i use. please send me information about
that
besides i want to have all instructions about Hardware key
board.(explorer
the all menu and the diferents icons without pencil).
maybe are you going to think that i didn t read you instruction but that
isn
t enought to me to understand complete my harder key board
the most important thing is learning to use my hardware key board
without mouse and pencil
thank you some much.

[thack]

Laptop Hack may help you to use your PDA without a stylus (pen) and there are keyboard shortcuts listed in the keyboard driver. Some of which are things like CTRL+ X / C / V / Left Arrow / Right Arrow / Etc. You can also use the cursor keys to control a pointer but most of the time it is easier to use a stylus.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by carlosmari
: I want to know about how can i use this agent without
pencil. for example
at the microsoft office i can use the tab to use the menu but in this
agent
i don t have any idea how can i use. please send me information about
that
besides i want to have all instructions about Hardware key
board.(explorer
the all menu and the diferents icons without pencil).
maybe are you going to think that i didn t read you instruction but that
isn
t enought to me to understand complete my harder key board
the most important thing is learning to use my hardware key board
without mouse and pencil
thank you some much.

Which keyboard are you trying to use?

I am confused as to exactly what you need?

[carlosmari]

Originally posted by n2ifp


Which keyboard are you trying to use?

I am confused as to exactly what you need?

I want to use the original keyboard of NX-60.
Ineed move fot the difernt Icon
for example:
Control+M open teh menu CLIE LAUNCHER and OPTION icon
delete
Beam
Edit Clie Launcher Group
Edit Favotite Aplication
Info
Copy

If I select for example Delete, the new Icon are DONE and DELETE, How can i move to the DONE field or To Delete field whit the Hardware Keyboard, (without pen)

In the manual say CONTROL+tab TO MOVE TO THE NEX FIELD, BUT THIS no funtion.

[carlosmari]

i dont know what is KB11.
WHERE CAN I GET THIS FILE?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by carlosmari
i dont know what is KB11.
WHERE CAN I GET THIS FILE?

KB11 is a keyboard that Sony sells for the NR series clies, it doesn't work on the NX series without modification and using a Tungsten beta driver.

The control-tab works fine for me, but only in a form,&nbsp;like what you would find in&nbsp;address book. Please remember to keep holding down the control key while pushing on the tab key. Now if you need to switch between buttons, which is what I think your asking, you need to press in on the Jog Wheel for 1 second, then the active button will highlight. Rotate the Jog Wheel until&nbsp;you get to the button of your choosing and then briefly depress the Jog Wheel to execute it.

I hope this helps, as you should be able to do almost everything between the Jog&nbsp;Wheel and keyboard.&nbsp;

&nbsp;

[carlosmari]

Originally posted by n2ifp


KB11 is a keyboard that Sony sells for the NR series clies, it doesn't work on the NX series without modification and using a Tungsten beta driver.

The control-tab works fine for me, but only in a form,&nbsp;like what you would find in&nbsp;address book. Please remember to keep holding down the control key while pushing on the tab key. Now if you need to switch between buttons, which is what I think your asking, you need to press in on the Jog Wheel for 1 second, then the active button will highlight. Rotate the Jog Wheel until&nbsp;you get to the button of your choosing and then briefly depress the Jog Wheel to execute it.

I hope this helps, as you should be able to do almost everything between the Jog&nbsp;Wheel and keyboard.&nbsp;


this help no able the funtion.
what happen whit the CONTROL+TAB KEY, why no move fot the diferent field. for example New details

&nbsp;

[Raybot]

Just double checking, this KB11 keyboard is really a repackaged 3-hinge StowAway right? I wonder what my chances are of getting my old Palm Portable Keyboard (dates back to my Palm IIIx) working with this thing ...

Of course, the next problem then is how the heck I get access to the serial pins on the connector on the Clie end ... the contacts look waayyyy too close together to improvise something ... anyone tried mucking around with that thing yet?


- Raybot

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by carlosmari


You have to use the Jog Wheel, sorry.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Raybot
Just double checking, this KB11 keyboard is really a repackaged 3-hinge StowAway right? I wonder what my chances are of getting my old Palm Portable Keyboard (dates back to my Palm IIIx) working with this thing ...

Of course, the next problem then is how the heck I get access to the serial pins on the connector on the Clie end ... the contacts look waayyyy too close together to improvise something ... anyone tried mucking around with that thing yet?


- Raybot

First of all, the connector may not be compatible. Second, you risk damage to your clie if the electrical portions are different or mechanically break the clie connector.

[kb8tfe]

Now I'm thrilled. It worked great and wasn't too hard assuming you can solder well.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by kb8tfe
Now I'm thrilled. It worked great and wasn't too hard assuming you can solder well.

Very good!

If you can't solder, lookout... :D!

[Raybot]

Originally posted by n2ifp


First of all, the connector may not be compatible. Second, you risk damage to your clie if the electrical portions are different or mechanically break the clie connector.

Well I'd already given up modifying the existing Palm Portable Keyboard (PPK) connector to fit the Clie ... I was more thinking of finding a way to connect to the Clie's connector then using a cable to connect to the PPK ...

I'm curious as to how you could cause damage to the Clie electrically ... as long as the PPK wasn't pumping out much more than 3 volts on the data line it should be OK shouldn't it?

Of course, I could also just do it properly and construct the line driver circuit ... heh


- Raybot

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Raybot


Well I'd already given up modifying the existing Palm Portable Keyboard (PPK) connector to fit the Clie ... I was more thinking of finding a way to connect to the Clie's connector then using a cable to connect to the PPK ...

I'm curious as to how you could cause damage to the Clie electrically ... as long as the PPK wasn't pumping out much more than 3 volts on the data line it should be OK shouldn't it?

Of course, I could also just do it properly and construct the line driver circuit ... heh


- Raybot

If it was the same pin for pin, then okay. Without the proper info, how do you know. Suppose you have 5.0 volts being shunted to ground or 5.0 volts butting heads with 3.0 volts. The whole point is if you know what your doing, that's fine. It was only a word of caution.

http://leggnet.com/clie/Ifcndke3.pdf

[mschluss]

Can anyone post a picture or diagram of what the keyboard connection is supposed to look like after you affix the resistor/diode?

It's been a while since I've done any electrical work -- but I'm willing to try.

Sorry I couldn't figure it out on my own!!

And thanks to all!!

[kenbotwinick]

Here's a question I haven't seen asked before. Since the KB11 seems to work fine for models after the NX series, such as the TG series, would I be able to UNDO this hack if I decide to upgrade in 3 months to a new Clie that doesn't need it?

If I can't undo this hack, it would seem like a better idea to sell the keyboard and buy the Belkin one.

What do you guys think?

[thack]

I think the hack works fine for non-NX models as well. That was the impression I got from earlier messages in this thread. Maybe someone else can confirm.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by kenbotwinick
Here's a question I haven't seen asked before. Since the KB11 seems to work fine for models after the NX series, such as the TG series, would I be able to UNDO this hack if I decide to upgrade in 3 months to a new Clie that doesn't need it?

If I can't undo this hack, it would seem like a better idea to sell the keyboard and buy the Belkin one.

What do you guys think?

I am sure it would be reversible as long as one is careful.

[T1000X]

Are there any sites with pictures of the finished product? Thanks!

[n2ifp]

Only what is displayed on page one of this thread.

[Eclipse]

Is there any chance that i can modify my old Targus Stowaway, Visor edition, to work with my nx?

[Raybot]

Well I'll be trying to modify my old Palm III stowaway to work with my NX ... I'll post the results. The thing is, I'm *reasonably* sure the old Visors and Palm III's and the like used TTL level signalling on their serial ports (and hence the keyboards would also be using TTL voltage levels) whereas the NX uses 0-3.3V signalling. As n2ifp pointed out a page or so ago, that is possibly a bad thing ... I'd probably play it safe and put some 1k resistors in the data lines just to make sure I don't overload the limiting diodes (which I presume weren't there for DC clamping!).

The other problem you'll have is that connector ... I'll be cutting the connector off one of those 3rd party USB sync/charge cables and using that (but doing it in such a way so that I can actually use it as a sync/charge connector if I still need to) ... such cables can be had on eBay quite cheaply so perhaps thats an option.


- Raybot

[KongK]

Guys,

I was just going through the US ftp site for another thread and I found this. Maybe it'll help.

ftp://ftp.ita.sel.sony.com/ccpg/clie/KB11UPDATE.EXE

Enjoy :)

[Pen-Pen]

Originally posted by kenbotwinick
Here's a question I haven't seen asked before. Since the KB11 seems to work fine for models after the NX series, such as the TG series, would I be able to UNDO this hack if I decide to upgrade in 3 months to a new Clie that doesn't need it?

If I can't undo this hack, it would seem like a better idea to sell the keyboard and buy the Belkin one.

What do you guys think?

Ok, I don't think that it would be the right thing to undo the hack.

I have just a thing to let you know, all the cliés would work with the modification, it's the diode's task.

For Kongk, the update don't let work the keyboard on the nx, I've allready tested it.

[Raybot]

Hi all!

I've just measured the signals coming out of my Palm Portable Keyboard (Palm III series version, it's a rebadged Think Outside 3-fold stowaway) using a storage CRO ... with a 5 volt supply the output signal ranges from zero to 3.6 volts ... so I guess it should be safe to directly drive it into the Clie's connector (which is expecting 0-3.3V signalling) ...

It'd be interesting if someone with another version of this keyboard could do the same test and see what they get ... I should be getting a connector for this thing tomorrow, I can't wait to try this out :D


- Raybot

[Raybot]

Hmm ... actually I forgot to mention ... this isn't a straight open circuit measurement, I was externally pulling the data out line from the PPK LOW through a 1.2k resistor ... I wouldn't have thought it'd matter much though, the output resistance of the PPK would need to be about 500 ohms if it were really using 5V signalling ... having said THAT, it is quite possible that this is happening ... *sigh* I can't be bothered setting the test rig up again and removing that resistor (it was part of something else, I just re-used the connector) ... I'll just measure the signal once I get the proper connector and just before I connect it all up ...

Of course, I'm trying to figure out why I bothered typing all that given its not an awful lot of use to anyone but given its already typed out anyway I might as well post it ... hehe :)


- Raybot

[mschluss]

This is an appeal to the community. I have dated experience with electronics and can soder and WILL soder my keyboard if I can get explicit fool-proof (aka dummie-proof) instructions. I cannot afford to make a mistake and cannot figure out, based on the posted data, exactly what to buy for a resistor-diode (does Radio Shack carry them???) or exactly how to place the resistor diode on the keyboard.

10 years ago I probably had the expertise to figure this out without further help. But 10 years is a long time ago, and I have not done much with electronics since.

I have a vague idea of what do, and think that I can do it with a little more help and guidance.

Is there anyone willing to post this information? I would appreciate it so very much -- and if received, will post my results after performing the hardware/software upgrade.

I have a clie nx70v and was sold the keyboard at time of purchase not knowing it would not function. I have been following the updates on this forum ever since.

Thanks to everyone. This is a great community of users and I am proud to be part of it.

[Pen-Pen]

Ok, I'll try to explain better than the last time.

When you look at the pictures on page one of the thread, you can see the connector and where you have to do the modification.


If you cannot see the pictures, take your keyboard in front of you as like as you want to use it.

When you look at the connector, you can see two screws, remove it and you will see something like this :

__________________________
| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
1 _ 3 __ 6 7 _______________18


Now, you have to sold a 47Kohm resistor with a diode (any diode could work, even a LED) in serial between the 6 and 7 pins of the keyboard.

The only thing important is to connect the cathode on pin 7 and the anode on pin 6 of the keyboard.

Mschluss, if you had any questions, please ask.

[mschluss]

I understand very well where to put the resistor / diode. This is well domented in your initial pictures (very well done!!) and that is between 6 and 7. My question is even dumber.

Exactly where do I solder the resistor/ diode. For a serial connection between 6 and 7 do I place it at the top of 6 and the bottom of 7 running diagonally. If so, won't that make it impossible to fit the connector into the clie?

l\ l l /l
l \ l l / l
l \ l l / l
l \l l/ l which one??? and will it fit???

or
___
l l
l l
l l
l l

Do I run it on top above the area of the connector (or would that be a parallel connection)?

What should the end result look like?

Is the resistor and diode two separate components (I think yes).

I am confident that I can do the soldering if I know exactly how to proceed.

So I will sign this -- dumb and dumber. Oh yes, and thank you Pen-pen.

Martin

[n2ifp]

The resisitor has to be in series with the diode for current limiting purposes. It would also have to be soldered inside the keyboard ahead of the connector. I have no idea how easy it is to take apart the KB11. In any case, don't solder on the pin contacts themselves.

[mschluss]

well thank you for answering one of my concerns. it did not make any sense to solder the pins.

I should have known that!!!

Any more information on this? Thanks!!!!

[Pen-Pen]

Originally posted by mschluss
I understand very well where to put the resistor / diode. This is well domented in your initial pictures (very well done!!) and that is between 6 and 7. My question is even dumber.

Exactly where do I solder the resistor/ diode. For a serial connection between 6 and 7 do I place it at the top of 6 and the bottom of 7 running diagonally. If so, won't that make it impossible to fit the connector into the clie?

l\ l l /l
l \ l l / l
l \ l l / l
l \l l/ l which one??? and will it fit???

or
___
l l
l l
l l
l l

Do I run it on top above the area of the connector (or would that be a parallel connection)?

What should the end result look like?

Is the resistor and diode two separate components (I think yes).

I am confident that I can do the soldering if I know exactly how to proceed.

So I will sign this -- dumb and dumber. Oh yes, and thank you Pen-pen.

Martin

Ok, don't worry, I will put more pictures of the connector and explain to you some more information later (I think I will post it tonight)

[kb8tfe]

Let's see if this works. These pictures are all of the final product after the described modification. It works great. Let me know if these are good enough to tell you what you need to know.

I have a few others, but I think these will give you plenty of idea. The other views aren't as good or in focus as well.

http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kb8tfe/vwp?.dir=/KB-11+Modification&.dnm=With+the+Cover+on.jpg&.src=bc&.view=l&.done=http%3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/kb8tfe/lst%3f%26.dir=/KB-11%2bModification%26.src=bc%26.view=l

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/kb8tfe/vwp?.dir=/KB-11+Modification&.dnm=Without+Cover+Close+Up.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/kb8tfe/vwp%3f.dir=/KB-11%2bModification%26.dnm=With%2bthe%2bCover%2bon.jpg%26.src=ph

http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/kb8tfe/vwp?.dir=/KB-11+Modification&.dnm=Without+Cover+further+out.jpg&.src=ph&.done=http%3a//photos.yahoo.com/bc/kb8tfe/vwp%3f.dir=/KB-11%2bModification%26.dnm=Without%2bCover%2bClose%2bUp.jpg%26.src=ph

[mschluss]

Oh yes. thank you thank you thank you. Seeing IS believing. I now understand how this is going to be done -- under the hood.

The blue component is the resistor, and the orange is the diode. You place it in serial -- diagnonally -- pin to pin.

YES!!!

Time to practice my soldering!!!

Martin

[n2ifp]

Yes, you need a needle point soldering tip. A pic and a magnifying glass would help to make sure there is no solder bridges when done.

Yes the blue component is a resisitor and the other is the diode.

[T1000X]

Thank you! Now all I need to do is figure out where to get the parts. I may have someone at my work try the soldering out, even though I've developed quite good soldering skills. I'm leary about doing the modification, but knowing it won't hurt my other PDAs I use with the same keyboard is a good thought.

[aardvarko]

Originally posted by mschluss


l\ l l /l
l \ l l / l
l \ l l / l
l \l l/ l which one??? and will it fit???

or

___
l l
l l
l l
l l

[Pen-Pen]

Look at my picture (start of the thread) to see where you have to put the resistor and the diode, and look at the picture of kb8tfe for the connector after modification

[bnickers]

I have done the modification, but now I cannot install the drivers on my NX60. The error message says this:

Loading “Install Conduit”
Conduit “Install” version 3.0.0
Sync type is Fast
Failed to install Keyboard.prc
- File already exists on the handheld

I found "Keyboard" and "Keyboard_KO01_appl_a68k" but I can't delete either of them - it says "Database: Database protected". This is driving me nuts! Can someone help me?

...Billy (banickers@earthlink.net)

[rob_squared]

I backed up everything, hard reset, then put everything back on. I'd recommend backup buddy vfs because you can choose not to restore the files you mentioned but everything else.

[Pen-Pen]

bnickers, you need an utility called filez to delete the keyboard application, you cannot delete Keyboard_KO01_appl_a68k, even with filez, it will delete itself after deleting Keyboard and do a soft reset.

(Sorry for my english, I'm not really in an excellent form)

[Ezikial Anta]

way too much work i am going to sell mine

[bnickers]

I tried to delete it with filez .. even it can't delete the keyboard utility. Same message as the regular delete. I guess I'll have to do the hard reset thing as rob_squared suggested ... I figured it was the only way, but I've owned my Clie for less than a month and wanted to make sure. :)

...Billy (banickers@earthlink.net)

[bnickers]

Well, I finally dumped everything, and I can ALMOST get the keyboard to work.

I opened the keyboard utility (the Tungsten T beta driver) and I managed to sporadically get the keyboard to work, but only when it is in the repeat key field. As soon as I hit any of the application keys along the right hand side of the keyboard, it stops working again.

is there something special I am forgetting to do to install the keyboard or enable it?

...Billy (banickers@earthlink.net)

[bnickers]

By the way, I hope the driver that we need to use is the one off the Palm site for the Tungsten T (tUS.1.9.2P.prc).

It seems that after clicking the "enable driver" off and on a couple of times, leaving it on in the end, the keyboard starts to work. But if you pause for about 4 seconds and try typing again, then nothing happens until you go back and do the "enable driver" trick again.

This is maddening. I know the keyboard works alright, it's just this last hurdle, and it seems like the driver. I hope someone can help!

...Billy (banickers@earthlink.net)

[vincent_tech]

Bnickers, I have EXACTLY the same issue, if you find an answer let me know would you, driving me insane also. Loathe to do a hard reset and have to spend a whole weekend building everything back up!

cheers
Vincent

[djpm05]

would anyone be interested in a movie of me modifying my KB11, I am planning on doing that tommarow, and if anyone posts something asking me to do it, i'll take my clie and try to set it up in such a way that yall can see what's going on and it might make it a bit easier.

Regards,

-David

[bnickers]

Yes yes yes yes yes! I would love to get this working as I use my Clie constantly at work and it is a pain in the a** to write things all out. if you can tell me which driver it is, where you got it, and so on, that would be fantastic too! As I posted before, my keyboard works for short periods of time, then quits. I'd appreciate it soooo much! I'd even buy you dinner if you ever came to San Francisco!

...Billy

[djpm05]

well, bad news:( my dad and i soldered the stuff in there and it didn't work (it acted the same as it had before we had messed with it) so i checked and it hadn't been soldered well enough on one of the connections, i thought that i could get it to work by fixing that, except it didn't go as planned, and i had to remove solder, solder the other side better, and eventually it just was too much of a mess to work with:( i am probably just going to wait for the new keyboard to come out, but if you are good at soldering, go for it, but if you aren't (like in my case) sell it, and but the new one :-P

-David

[rob_squared]

I posted a link to the new stowaways that work with the NX in the NX forum. They look exactly like the KB11 and are in stock now. I already bought one.

[bnickers]

BTW - I eventually got the keyboard with the modification to work properly, but had to do the following from preferences:

- turn beam receive on
- uncheck the "stay on in cradle" box

Works like a charm.

...Billy (banickers@earthlink.net)

[rclui10]

Can someone post a link to the drivers that make the modification work, please?

[vincent_tech]

dont know if this will help anyone but I have a modified KB11 Sony Gear badged keyboard for sale.

Looking for about 40-50 uk pounds,

I know this is not the place for ads, just thought it may save someone the bother with a soldering iron or whatever!

Cheers
Vincent

[vincent_tech]

nobody want this then?

[ntw1103]

Hello Thoght I'd tell you I did the mod, and it works great. the only hard part
was finding a place for the resistor. Thanks a lot.

ntw1103