So when will we get these apps?..

[Gero]

OK I have a T3 and love it.. Already having a very nice digicam to I wont miss.need one on a pda... but i like the soun of the new apps the 72 has... a media player that plams WMF9 asf's (dont think my copy of mmplayer can deal with those).. a photophonebook that alows thumbnail listings to scroll through (easy photo really needs that option).... I wonder if us non-zire 72 users will be able to get copies of these apps from palmone?..

[sayem_bashir]

Yes you can replace the appliactions on the T3 with those of the zire 72. It is not official and not supported by palm. You lose them once you do a hard reset.

Reliable and will not crash the older palm.

Owner of 75 of the top 100 gadget and also owner of 40 of the 50 must haves as shown In Stuff and Boy's Toy's.

[CWolf]

Ah, but the magic question is my friend - where do we get them(apps)?

[sayem_bashir]

My dear fellow...
How the devil are you?
You asked if you could borrow my TH55, I said yes too, just to email your details so we could talk about it. However that aside, you would amazed at what can just appear if you need it. The applications work firn on a T3 and the T2, T1 as well as the TC.

Messag me if you ahve the time, I am currently in between Bosnia and Croatia. Back in teh Uk on teh 7th of May.

Ta

[Gero]

Well CWolf... you asked the question that I thought I'd be in trouble with the moderators, had i have asked it! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing those apps 'appearing' zipped on a forum somewhere in palm world! Especially seeing as the new version of Palm Desktop makes is sooooooo easy to add thumbnail pics of your contacts to your contacts record!

I guess we will have to keep our eyes peeled!

Oh and Sayem, I have to salute your gadget collection!

[motionmind]

The question on my mind is...once these apps are placed on a T3, do they sync properly?

[Gero]

Motionmind, Sayem said that they work reliably and wont crash the older plams so I guess they will sync OK.. I would assume they would anyway as the only change in 'contacts' appears to be the addition of a filed for a contacts picture which is now supported in Palm desktop v 4.1.4.. and the sms/mms program is a tailored version of 'pixer mms' (see palmonecity homepage).. so I guess they should all work fine

[bryus]

Originally posted by motionmind
The question on my mind is...once these apps are placed on a T3, do they sync properly?

I wouldn't expect any problems. If you have the latest Palm Desktop then I would think it it will sync with whatever applications are on the handheld, regardless of their version/origin.

[motionmind]

Well, let me rephrase that. What I'm specifically wondering is if the Contacts software would still be able to properly sync with Outlook 2k3 on my T3. If i have to go back to using PalmDesktop, then it's not worth it.

[bryus]

Originally posted by motionmind
Well, let me rephrase that. What I'm specifically wondering is if the Contacts software would still be able to properly sync with Outlook 2k3 on my T3. If i have to go back to using PalmDesktop, then it's not worth it.

I don't think that would make a difference. Whatever conduits are required to sync the data would be installed and work with the application. I doubt that the conduits check OS version.

[technical1]

OK,

Let's put me in good company. CWold previously posted:

So where do we find these files? Is there any site that we can get these files?

TIA,

[bryus]

Originally posted by technical1
OK,

Let's put me in good company. CWold previously posted:

So where do we find these files? Is there any site that we can get these files?

TIA,

I am sure that if you have an older PalmOne handheld and purchase a new Zire 72 you could use some of the available memory management software to copy the appropriate files over. All legally of course. ;)

[Gero]

Awwww boooo! I already have a T3 Brysus... I cant buy another handheld when i have a perfectly good one that only a few months old! BUT of course.. I wasnt suggesting anything illegal... I was 'hoping' that PALM ONE (and yes.. did mean to should there... trying to get their attention), might make the contacts app and media app available for download...

Wishful thinking maybe... but it would be soooo useful to have pics next to names in contacts (and easy adress book which I have is such a pain for doing that as you have to copy all the pics onto the haldheld... so through easy addressbook adding them - which takes forever - and then delete all the pics out of the photo app.. - it would be so much easy to do that on the desk top which you can do with palm desktop v4.1.4)..

And the media app.. well again would save so much time to be able to watch .asf without having to convet them to watch in mmplayer first.

So comeon PALM ONE.. make them availbale to us! do make me have to carry out an illegal act and copy them off a friends Zire 72 (joking of course about the copying bit!)

Gero

[CWolf]

It would be a nice idea, better than that damn Clie Organiser.

[matrix42]

I think it would be nice if PalmOne offered the new PIM apps as well as the updated Versamail and WebPro to users of other Palm PDA's that can support them, but they are in the biz of selling hardware!

[Gero]

thats true Matrix42.. they are in the business of making hardware. As i said, its wishful thinking that the updated/new apps will be made availble.. but hey, i'm sure they will surface somewhere on the internet anyway!

[matrix42]

Actually my expectations are that PalmOne does release these updates to the community, I will be disappointted with them if they do not and will let them know. Same goes for OS6. I mean new hardware is cool and all, but it's the software you use! And if PalmOne thinks that folks are going to buy new hardware just to get software updates they must be smok'n something good..

[joejoe]

Originally posted by matrix42
Actually my expectations are that PalmOne does release these updates to the community, I will be disappointted with them if they do not and will let them know. Same goes for OS6. I mean new hardware is cool and all, but it's the software you use! And if PalmOne thinks that folks are going to buy new hardware just to get software updates they must be smok'n something good..

What are you smoking?

If you read these forums you'll realize that Palm does not tend to upgrade their software for older units (nor does Sony, for that matter). And for sure they wouldn't upgrade an OS -- way too many support issues.

And, yes, folks WILL buy new hardware just to get software updates or just to get the latest and greatest. Again, read the forums and you'll see people with Tungsten Es talking about Zire 72s, etc. In fact, Palm is betting money that you will upgrade for the latest OS or the glitziest software or the most appealing hardware.

[matrix42]

Well put joejoe

Sad state of affairs isn't it!.

Perhaps we should cross post these comments to the "you know your addictted when" thread

:-)

[sayem_bashir]

Dear all

I would like to say that yes, you are able to beam the files across. I am just in the process of identifying the exact file shat have been updated. Thank god for having all these palms as my test beds.

I would also like to say that yes the new desktop may be(;)) pick up the photos etc on an updated palm. One probelm you will face is to all you fellow jack flash and jack sprat users. The damm thing flakes because it realsies that the palm os has been part updated.


As soon as I get the exact file list that has been updated I will post a thread saying I know which ones they are.

You can not quick install them you can only beam them across.

Anyway take care all.

I had a great night in Italy last night Cwolf.;) ;) ;) ;) :p :rolleyes:

[Gero]

Thats great Sayem! Looking forward to the list!

Gero

[CWolf]

I bet you did mate! And you were thinking of the software???

[derekweb]

Of course. All of this leads to a bigger issue at hand: Will PalmOne release an OS Update to cobalt for the handhelds that can support it (eg: Tungsten series handhelds)?

So far, this bodes ill for that endeavor.

[motionmind]

Originally posted by matrix42
I think it would be nice if PalmOne offered the new PIM apps as well as the updated Versamail and WebPro to users of other Palm PDA's that can support them, but they are in the biz of selling hardware!

They're actually in the biz of customizing those apps for their PDA's as well. They shouldn't concentrate on new hardware completely and leave everyone else out in the cold as far as updates are concerned.

[derekweb]

The thing that gets me, and drives me near nuts too, is that the Tungsten line (majority of it, anyway) is ... well, the OS sits on FLASHABLE rom, meaning you can update the OS. But it's a WASTED ability.

What a waste of time and money. They really shouldn't use that as a selling point (and some places do use that), since PalmOne can't be relied upon to release good updates for the OS for those handhelds that can use it.

[joejoe]

Originally posted by derekweb
The thing that gets me, and drives me near nuts too, is that the Tungsten line (majority of it, anyway) is ... well, the OS sits on FLASHABLE rom, meaning you can update the OS. But it's a WASTED ability.

It used to be a selling point. When I bought my Palm IIIx I was critically aware that I could update my OS3 to a slightly later version of 3. Flash ROM was definitely on my radar screen as a selling feature.

When I wanted to update my Sony 710 to a 760 Sony *offered* to do the update (with me $50 poorer) if I sent my in unit. Since then, neither company has offered OS updates that I'm aware of.

From Palm and Sony's point of view, trying to pinch pennies any & every way they can, using resources to provide then *support* the OS upgrade would be beyond reasonable.

As a longtime user of Palm OS PDAs, I'm more interested in PalmOne making money & saying competitive with PocketPC. If that means no updates, so be it.

The truth is we all know exactly what OS & features we're getting when we plunk down our hard-earned money. By purchasing a given unit, we are agreeing to those features & no more.

I don't expect Sony to upgrade any PC I buy from them, only to address problems that are their fault. Why should I expect more from an electronic device which costs a fraction of what a PC or laptop costs?

YMMV.

[Gero]

I know what you mean JoeJoe... but handhelds are a little different when i comes to the software. I have a sony viao and no, i wouldnt expect sony to udate or patch anything... but then as far as i know, their isnt a single bit of sony software inside the viao... microsoft updates the operating system continuosly and there are a constant stream of updates being FORCED on me in terms 3rd party programme updates and driver updates etc...

As for sony handhelds.. well i have no idea how it works.. does sony own the operating system?.. or does palmsource technically own it?.. same with palmone.. do they own Palm OS 5.2.xxx

Eitherway, someone should be forceing us to continally update to have the best systems our units support..

[joejoe]

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken but I think that PalmSource actually *owns* the OS. Each manufacturer then tweeks it to do exactly what it wants it to do & so Palms are slightly different from Sonys. The Palms have that super Prefs panel & the Sony TH55s have their specific launchers plus their CO.

Again, I'm willing to forego the OS updates (not the bug fixes!!) for whatever PalmOS PDA I purchase because I want Palm to remain a competitive counterforce to the bulldozer that is Microsoft.

In the long run, I want Palm to *be around* for the long run.

[motionmind]

This is exactly what I'm talking about...we seem to be falling into the trap of blindly following PalmOne and Palmsource. We're willing to give up the idea of updates to make the functionality of our devices even better as long as we're helping palm stay in business. Thats' unacceptable and rediculous. They should be bending over backwards to keep their customers happy in order to keep them from flocking to PocketPC or some other competing product. No, Sony wouldn't update Windows on their Vaios, but I can guarantee you that they update their proprietary memory stick drivers and various software from time to time...it should be the same with PalmOne; they're not expected to update the OS itself, but updating the apps, conduits (specifically the recent PalmDesktop update) and random drivers should be a regular occurrence considering the simplicity of some of the apps compared with full-sized desktop apps. Unfortunately the other PDA OS's aren't doing a much better job of keeping things updated, so there's no real incentive for PalmOne to get off their laurels.

PalmSource does own and control the actual OS. It is then PalmOne, Garmin, Sony, etc.'s job to tailor it for their PDA's. Unfortunately there seems to be a swing from a computer business model to a cunsumer electronics one...try to sell the latest and greatest "upgraded" model to everyone and don't worry about updating for the existing consumer base.

[derekweb]

Originally posted by joejoe
Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken but I think that PalmSource actually *owns* the OS. Each manufacturer then tweeks it to do exactly what it wants it to do & so Palms are slightly different from Sonys. The Palms have that super Prefs panel & the Sony TH55s have their specific launchers plus their CO.

Again, I'm willing to forego the OS updates (not the bug fixes!!) for whatever PalmOS PDA I purchase because I want Palm to remain a competitive counterforce to the bulldozer that is Microsoft.

In the long run, I want Palm to *be around* for the long run.

Joejoe --

I can see your point. But consider this. Flashable ROM is more expensive to include in a handheld than Non-Flashable ROM. If the companies selling the hardware aren't going to make updates available, then they should force themselves to remove the option of upgrading (flashing) the ROM.

The logic of "trying to save money" isn't flying with me for the simple point that they are INCONSISTENT in going about it. What PalmOne needs is a quick kick in the butt to get their brains in gear. They seem to be losing touch more and more with the community that loves and supports them. In the end, that will be the ultimate of their undoing.

[motionmind]

I'm using WebPro 3.5 on my T3 right now...it works great! Hopefully more of the Z72 apps will follow.

[matrix42]

Cool, how did you come by it, can you download/purchase it somewhere??

[motionmind]

I got it through the usual shady means when I'm being told that I'm not supposed to have a piece of software. You can't purchase it since it's only available with Z72. There's really not a whole lot of difference in functionality, but I just couldn't resist installing it.

[PatrickS]

Originally posted by joejoe
In fact, Palm is betting money that you will upgrade for the latest OS or the glitziest software or the most appealing hardware. Based only on my own Palm purchasing history, Palm has already won that bet. :rolleyes:

[motionmind]

Originally posted by PatrickS
Based only on my own Palm purchasing history, Palm has already won that bet. :rolleyes:

So (expensively) true.

[matrix42]

Just don't understand PalmOne and WebPro 3.5 i.e. why they would/have not released it for other folks, obviously it's technically do able, in the past they released 3.01a which had feature improvements (i.e. not just a bug fix)

Also the fact that OS6 will obsolete every current Palm model (including the just released ones), just ticks me off a bit...

[John_Blasdell]

PalmOne has surely noticed the upgrade furor with Pocket PC. Some PPC manufacturers stated they wouldn't release ROM upgrades; many owners got angry and said, "Fine, we'll purchase future handhelds from companies that offer upgrades." The "bad guys" changed their stance, and most will release ROM upgrades. Does PalmOne REALLY think we'll buy new Zires just to get the newer software? The whole company must be having a Blonde Moment!

[Alsicole]

I think you'll find that Palm One will release the new version of WebPro on general release (as with v3.0), but will want to charge for it!

[sredlums]

Hi,

I have WebPro 3.5 and the Messages app (the successor of SMS) on my T3, both work flawlessly. The only thing that doesn't owrk is the option to use a picture as a slide for a MMS. It says it doesn't find any photo-albums....
So, to I tried the Media app (the successor of Phone) to get that to work, only to find out that that app has some very nice extra's (zooming and categories on the card being the nicest ones). And guess what, it works! Well, sorta, lol, because I can open it, go through the menus, everything works, BUT....it doesn't show the pictures :-(
That's a shame, because it is a nice app indeed (I know there are good other viewers out there, but I like the conduit to my desktop, and don't want a bloated extra app just to zoom some pictures).
I think I tried EVERY single file on my girlfriends Zire 72 on my T3 to get it to work, but no luck so far. Some files don't install because the file it should override is busy.
Does anybody of you more technically acclined people know why the pictures won't show??
It says there's not enough memory....(??), or something is wrong with the picture.

Help would be much appriciated!

[FIA WRC]

Web Pro v3.5 works on the T/E as well.

[Gero]

sayem_bashir, motionmind, anyone else... If you transfer the Zire 72 contacts app to the T3, does it overwrite the existing contacts application (as it will have the same creator ID?).. Is this correct?. Also.. can you still collapse the grafitti area for 320X480+ ? once you have replaced the existing contacts app with the zire 72's?.

Cheers, Gero