Jack sprat and Jack flah on the T3

[sayem_bashir]

Just wanted to say finally tried jack sprat and flash. Worked a dream. Managed to remove real one, it is crap, photos, quick tour, DTG6.02 and all the languages bar English.
It is a dream come true because I now have DTG6.05 premium loaded in flash, with agendus 7.6pro, bejewelled, monopoly, acid pro, sol free and various other software loaded in the flash. I have also tinkered with pxa clocker and down clocked the system to run at 200Mhs. Works fine, have some applications clocked above 500 and all work well.

I have had no white screens of death yet I have had a couple of resets with the restore if I try to exit after loading it.

Well I will keep you updated. Would like to thank Tanker bob, for his thoughts and considerations, which helped me bite the bullet and give it a shot. It really is simple, I didn’t even read the instructions, it is really simple to use and work out.
I would recommend it to anyone if you want some programmes loaded up default if you hard reset your machine. Also it takes about 1-2 to restore original OS, if you do muck up.

Ta to all the help and response’s from other members, it has truly made my experience with palm, that much more enjoyable and easier to transit. Once you try it you are hooked. I have managed to get a further 6 people to buy palms out here in Bosnia.

Anyway back to the point in hand good bit of software well worth the cost.


Thank you again to all members.

[CWolf]

Yup, success here also, apart from I only removed languages, no problems or wsod either. I like PXA Clocker a lot!

[eurisko]

Now you need to remove Docs to Go 6.005 and install 6.008. :)

[xsulux]

great pleasure to see another happy t3 user.

[CWolf]

And the advantages of 6.008?

[PatrickS]

Much faster, for one. And.... drum roll please... NO SPLASHSCREEN!!

[hford]

Been using JF/JS for over a month now without errors. I've used it for years without problems, and am glad they fixed the T3 issues.

[tanker_bob]

Originally posted by sayem_bashir
Well I will keep you updated. Would like to thank Tanker bob, for his thoughts and considerations, which helped me bite the bullet and give it a shot.
:)

Glad to hear your story. I've been totally stable for over a month, now with DTG 6.008 Premium in Flash.

[sayem_bashir]

Hi me again.

I don't know if I agree after installing DTG6.05 premium, I have had no splaash screen's. I thought that was the norm. I had it the first time I loaded the application, but not seen again. But thanks again to the like's of tanker Bob, you the man.

Also I personally have not notcied any benifits in 6.8 to make me redownload teh software. It works fine and does what i need happily. I do like agendous 7.06, works a treat.

Thanks again to all for their help and time.:)

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by Eurisko
Now you need to remove Docs to Go 6.005 and install 6.008. :)
Which files do you need to delete to totally get rid of 6.005.
I read that you can mess up the OS if you remove all the files.
So you cant remove them all.
Also did you move 6.008 into the flash in place?
Thanks

[tanker_bob]

I used JackSprat 3.0b4 to remove all of DTG 6.002 from Flash with no issues. I later used Uninstall Manager to delete all of DTG 6.005 with no issues after I moved DTG back to RAM. I moved all of 6.008 into Flash except the mail plugins, which I don't use. No problems with any of this. DTG isn't part of the OS, so the OS doesn't care whether it's there or not.

[CWolf]

OK, well I may well sort that out as well.

Thank you so much Tanker Bob!

Also if i remove Real Player will that affect things in any way? I use pTunes...

[tanker_bob]

You just won't be able to play RealPlayer-formated files. I removed it in an earlier round to replace it with AeroPlayer. AeroPlayer won't exit properly when placed in Flash, though. Don't know about pTunes.

[CWolf]

OK, will leave as is. I removed the lang files originally, there is enough space for everything I consider essential in there so i can leave RP.

Is there any way to copy the db files for contacts, etc into so that if I have to hard reset and the backup card isn't with me (never happen, it lives in the case), then I won't lose everything?

[tanker_bob]

You can copy backups of them into Flash for safe keeping, but they cannot be changed in Flash. I used to do this as a daily backup with other devices that didn't have card capability.

[sayem_bashir]

Hi again Cwolf and Tanker Bob.

Actually P Tunes does not like being in flash either i tried that first.


I have now in my flash apart fro the usual stuff.

Chess genius
DTG premium 6.05
agendous 7.6
Monoploy
Nevoremote
Adobe Reader
Palm Reader Pro
FileZ
AI Pro
Sol Free
Kinoma Updated
Resco View
Inbox to go
PXA cOCKER

Following did not work
Solatire
Scrabble
Aero player

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by Tanker Bob
I used JackSprat 3.0b4 to remove all of DTG 6.002 from Flash with no issues. I later used Uninstall Manager to delete all of DTG 6.005 with no issues after I moved DTG back to RAM. I moved all of 6.008 into Flash except the mail plugins, which I don't use. No problems with any of this. DTG isn't part of the OS, so the OS doesn't care whether it's there or not.

Well I was looking for file names to delete.
I dont wnat to delete the wrong files and trash my unit.
Second which files did you move into the Flash and which did you leave in ram/card.
Thanks

[sayem_bashir]

Hello there
If you go to tankerBob's page it tells you files he has removed with no problems.

I removed
all languages
DTG 6.02
Real player
Kinoma
quick tour
Photos
The three demo jpegs.

I actually can't remember what else I removed. If you give me a list of what is on your flash, I will tell you what you can remove and even do so on mine. If you are worried about trying it.

I have had no white screeen of deaths.

[CWolf]

Originally posted by sayem_bashir
Hi again Cwolf and Tanker Bob.

Actually P Tunes does not like being in flash either i tried that first.



Errrrm, works on mine - strange... The skins for pTunes are in there too...

[xsulux]

i find that ptunes and mmplayer are definetely could not be in flash. tabletennis 3d is also not friendly in the flash. others seem to be fine.

[eurisko]

SplashPhoto isn't a happy program in Flash either as I recall.

[sayem_bashir]

Hello

Personal power one does not play well in flash.
I got rid of expense with no problem also.

[ipop]

Hi to all,
I have noticed that after removing Kinoma, my localization software is unable to start. I asume it takes the player as part of the OS and try's to translete it's interface. Removing DTG is OK.

Any one noticed similar issue?

I am still thinking that 52 MB of ram is plenty for all the software we need, and there is SD cards for safe backup. But we still play around JackSprat and JackSafe. How is that possible?

[FrankG]

> I am still thinking that 52 MB of ram is plenty for all the software we
> need, and there is SD cards for safe backup. But we still play around
> JackSprat and JackSafe. How is that possible?

When I had 4 MB, I would be happy when I had about 500K free. When I had 8 MB I was happy when 1 MB was free. When there was 16 MB installed on the OS5 Clie, I was outraged that only 11 MB was available and worked to keep as much as possible on the external memory card in order to keep a meg or two of RAM free.

With 64 MB, I almost panicked when I dipped below 10 MB free. I have about :confused:

Now I have about 5MB of stuff Jacked into ROM and am happy to have another 2.6 MB ROM free ---- JUST in case space gets really cramped --- and 33MB or so of RAM unused.
:confused: :confused: ;)

Frank
:)

[eurisko]

I have about 8.7 megs shoved into Flash thanks to JackSprat/JackFlash, and run with about 7 megs of free ram. I *must* have MORE! :)

[motionmind]

yeah...I still have about 27 megs of ram free, but that didn't stop me from stuffing over 8 megs of various stuff into rom. I think my favorite aspect is being able to upgrade the original rom apps.

[PatrickS]

I am also a resource freak. I love to get as much as possible out of a device, and using unused or poorly used flash space is very attractive.

However, two factors stop me from going down this road: the nagging problems people have had, the fact that Brayder themselves call this a "beta", and the fact that your warranty is voided when you change the ROM (ok, ok, three factors...).

[tanker_bob]

Brayder has been in beta on these for years. If I went by that criteria, I'd never have used them. I've been running for over a month on JackSprat3.0b4 and JackFlash3.0b14 with no problems. I picked up about 9 MB of free Flash which I promptly filled because...you can never be fast enough or have too much memory! :D

[n2ifp]

Beta is just a name, tag, or term that has maybe little or no meaning. Look at MS Windows, then look how many bugs are in it and it's not even a beta...

[tanker_bob]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Look at MS Windows, then look how many bugs are in it and it's not even a beta...
Oh, Larry, you're such a pessimist. Those are features, not bugs... :p

[PatrickS]

In my experience, the term beta corresponds to the manufacturer's level of confidence in their product.

[rangga]

Originally posted by sayem_bashir
It is a dream come true because I now have DTG6.05 premium loaded in flash, with agendus 7.6pro, bejewelled, monopoly, acid [/B]

How did you move DTG to flash? Do you need to move one by one the components?

[sayem_bashir]

Yes you move the individual items one by one in to flash. It is completely relaible and safe. Agreed not all programmes like being in flash. But that is simply a case of rest remove programme from flash into ram and back you go.

Best thing is you can restore the original image in a minute

[sayem_bashir]

If you never try software and give feed back to the maker. How will things ever improve. I now have 2 T3's that I am testing my own software on as I develop as well as any hard ware mods, which I am about to carry out on my T3's.

With out trying and trialing, things will never improve especially if we all took your stance.

I have complaints about certain thiongs in the palm os, I am doing something about it so that people who like me seek an ideal Pda, dont have to carry so many devices. We can have an ideal palm that does it all has all those little things that well all spend our money on buying to make it that more esaier for us to use.

Sorry, to improce we have to stive forward and take some risk in life.

[PatrickS]

Originally posted by sayem_bashir
If you never try software and give feed back to the maker. How will things ever improve....With out trying and trialing, things will never improve especially if we all took your stance. Well, if you saw the downloads directory on my PC which contains Palm software, you'd see that I am a far, far cry from the person who doesn't try anything (the directory currently contains 1162 files in 61 directories for a total of 384 MB, according to Windows Explorer). My god, I have over 50 programs registered at this point.

However, in my perception, JackFlash is currently too much of a risk. This is my personal decision. I do this even though I used FlashPack on my Vx and had no problems at all. However, the situation with the Vx was very different. RAM memory for that machine was limited and there was no such thing as an external card. Now I'm looking at paying $27 to get maybe... what? .... 9MB of extra space on the machine? That's $3 per MB compared with the $0.25 per MB I just spent for a 256 MB SD card. Not only that, but there appears to be a not insignificant chance that I will have some problems in using it. To top it off, my warranty would be void.

Why would I do this? I understand that ROM space survives a hard reset, but so does SD card space. This all said, I have to admit that I am an enormous gadget freak and this software is still very appealing to me on that level, but from a pragmatic standpoint I find the argument in favour of Jack not very compelling at present.

[eurisko]

Well, the simple fact that you can ALWAYS recover makes it pretty low risk. It can ALWAYS be restored by accessing the Debug Flash system and restoring the Palm back. All you have to do in those situations is contact Brayder, they will take care of you in a pretty short amount of time and hook you up with a eval portion of their commercial software that allows you to do a Debug Flash of the device.

The risk is: You may be without your Palm for a day while you wait for Brayder to reply to your request for help (unless you bootleg the software, then you are up a creek).

Beyond that, it's a minimal risk at this point, in my opinion.

[PatrickS]

Originally posted by Eurisko
Well, the simple fact that you can ALWAYS recover makes it pretty low risk. It can ALWAYS be restored by accessing the Debug Flash system and restoring the Palm back. Well, this is good to know, and it might get me to change my mind some day, but I would certainly prefer to hear this from Brayder rather than one of their customers.

The economic argument is still there, though. For some people, having those extra MB on board is probably a good or even essential thing. For me, I still have 40+ % of my RAM open so the only reason I would go this way would be to play with a new toy or to cater to whatever neat freak might be resident inside my body, screaming in frustration over their being two copies of Desktop-To-Go on my Palm. I'm still managing to keep that critter in check at the moment.

[n2ifp]

It's a piece of cake if one uses common sense. Yeah, that was one of the main reasons. Get rid of RealPlayer and two sets of DTG.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Tanker Bob
Oh, Larry, you're such a pessimist. Those are features, not bugs... :p
LOL!!! I can't wait to see what new features are in Service Pack 2... ;)

pTunes didn't like the flash here either. With all the stuff that I have, there are plenty of other apps that will run just fine in flash.

[zepnik]

Originally posted by Eurisko
All you have to do in those situations is contact Brayder, they will take care of you in a pretty short amount of time and hook you up with a eval portion of their commercial software that allows you to do a Debug Flash of the device.

The risk is: You may be without your Palm for a day while you wait for Brayder to reply to your request for help (unless you bootleg the software, then you are up a creek).


I am still waiting for my T|3 to be recovered. Crashed in the middle of JS operation and since then - Palm logo screen only for me.
Happened on wednesday- Palmless since:
4 loooong days. Still waiting for 2nd level support to contact me, How annoying.-

Update: My T3 was easily fixed with Brayder Rom Imager.
Thanx

[mikegehl]

The battery must've run out by now. Just put it in the cradle and recharge. You should get a hard reset and be back up and running.

[PalmTealLover]

The whole reason I just signed on to this forum is to comment on sayem_bashir's satisfaction of JackSprat/JackFlash (and let's not forget JackSafe!)

I haven't seen this many positive people using the product; I swear by it and freed up 10MB of flash on my T3 (RealPlayer, Kinoma replaced with new, Docs2Go replaced with new, VersaMail, Welcome, Quicktour, Photos, etc) - 55 apps running in flash and all fine. Tested with 2 hard resets, and hard a 3rd one night before last due to bad software -- all came back just fine.

Used jkware's CardBackup to do the rest and was FULLY restored in under a minute, start to finish.

Problems with JackSprat 3.0beta3 were due to a BAD FLASH CHIP in the T3, and 3.0 beta 4 STILL has not sorted all that out yet; it is better than beta 3 and that's what I'm using now (beta 3 corrupted my ROM and I had to reflash the ROM, big pain, "white screen of death," 5 hours to let battery drain, etc.)

Bottom line is PalmOne should NEVER have put Docs2Go in ROM so that upgrades DUPLICATED your files, and I'm really happy so many of you like JackFlash. I'm a big proponent of it on PDA Street Forum, but have had some "less than happy campers" answer me back.

Take care everyone - this seems like a great forum. It will be better if I don't have to keep "signing in again" 14 times. Once should be enough (??)

Paul

[PatrickS]

Originally posted by PalmTealLover
Bottom line is PalmOne should NEVER have put Docs2Go in ROM so that upgrades DUPLICATED your files I don't understand this comment. There are a number of advantages to having a copy of DTG in ROM. For one, it means that Palm can be sure that everyone has it installed correctly -- fewer service calls. Another is that it saves RAM, at least until the user upgrades, and that may be never in many cases.

The downside is that after an upgrade you get a copy in ROM you don't need anymore. Since the OS was designed to pretty much ignore it, what is the problem? Seems the good far outweighs the bad. Aren't users of Jack* looking to do the same thing Palm did: put apps into flash?