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JeremyF
02-28-2003, 09:38 PM
Hi,

I've been exchanging e-mails with Brad from Brayder.

The good news is that Jackflash for OS5 will be released very shortly (next week?) - I'm not sure if it's in its final form or if it will be a public beta... The NX70v should have over 4 megs of available flash memory that can be used by Jackflash.

The bad news is that Brayder now believes that an OS5 version of Jacksprat for the Clies may not be possible due to limitations in the OS. They are still investigating whether they can get around these limitations, but Brayder's current word is that it just may not be possible.

FYI...

Jeremy
williepalm
02-28-2003, 09:46 PM
Sigh !!
MerlinW
02-28-2003, 10:17 PM
Thanks
rhart00
02-28-2003, 10:37 PM
wow! first CF drivers and now this! its been a great day for our NXes.

what is the difference between jackflash and jacksprat?
williepalm
02-28-2003, 10:42 PM
Jacksprat removes your apps in ROM
Jackflash transfers your apps to/from your RAM and ROM
jmg_NX21
02-28-2003, 10:59 PM
=(

I would LOVE to delete programs I DON'T ever use.

Are upgrades free?
rhart00
02-28-2003, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by williepalm
Jacksprat removes your apps in ROM
Jackflash transfers your apps to/from your RAM and ROM

So couldn't you just move apps from ROM to RAM with jackflash and then use something like mcfile to delete them? why would you even need jacksplat?
williepalm
02-28-2003, 11:17 PM
Becoz the built in apps are actually in the non flashable ROM. So Jacksprat is needed in this sense. Jackflash actually releases the non flashable ROM and transfer apps to the now flashable ROM .
rob_squared
03-01-2003, 12:33 AM
ROM can sometimes be annoying, like on Deep Space Nine.
rhart00
03-01-2003, 01:04 AM
random thought night, eh rob?
n0m0n
03-01-2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by rhart00
wow! first CF drivers and now this! its been a great day for our NXes.

what is the difference between jackflash and jacksprat?

What CF drivers?
n2ifp
03-01-2003, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by n0m0n


What CF drivers?

The ones that will be available in April for beta testing.
iebnn
03-01-2003, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by jmg_NX21
=(

I would LOVE to delete programs I DON'T ever use.

Are upgrades free?

Why? They're not taking up space that you could use, and you can just put them into a hidden category.
rldunn
03-01-2003, 02:36 PM
Well, if you had Jackflash, they ARE taking up space you could use for something else.
iebnn
03-01-2003, 02:41 PM
He was only talking about wanting to be able to delete apps he didnt use in rom.
rldunn
03-01-2003, 02:46 PM
Right. I'm not sure if you know how these apps work, but I've used them both on my older Clies, so here's a quick rundown.

Jacksprat will allow you to delete apps from ROM. These will end up being apps you never use or ones that you have replacements for. However, this is useless unless you have Jackflash.

Jackflash allows you to use the ROM space that's not being used. The amount changes by devices, some have more, some have less. If you've used Jacksprat, then this amount will be more.

So, if you have both apps, you can delete ROM apps you don't use and use this space for apps that you do use.
Submicron
03-01-2003, 02:57 PM
I own JackFlash and had it on my previous organizer (N710). Does anyone know if the release for OS5 will be a free upgrade or will it cost $??
DerDrache
03-01-2003, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by n2ifp


The ones that will be available in April for beta testing.

What? Where? Who? Can you provide a link to some info about this?
JC2K
03-01-2003, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by DerDrache


What? Where? Who? Can you provide a link to some info about this?
Front page of this site (http://www.cliesource.com)

Check the third news article on the front page.
euroclie
03-02-2003, 05:09 AM
Originally posted by williepalm
Becoz the built in apps are actually in the non flashable ROM. So Jacksprat is needed in this sense. Jackflash actually releases the non flashable ROM and transfer apps to the now flashable ROM .

To be more acurate:

1) JackFlash lets you move files back and from the part of the FlashROM that is not occupied by the OS in FlashROM.

2) JackSprat lets you remove files from the OS part of the FlashROM image, thus decreasing the size of the ROM image, and increasing the FlashROM space that is useable by JackSprat.
n2ifp
03-02-2003, 09:49 AM
Originally posted by DerDrache


What? Where? Who? Can you provide a link to some info about this?

The threads are in this forum somewhere, I just scroll through the list.
n0m0n
03-02-2003, 10:18 AM
It's the third article on the home page of ClieSource.com.
Below article on Contacts 4.1, and ZLauncher 2.22b8 not out...
contempt
03-02-2003, 02:43 PM
I read someplace that it would be a paid upgrade since they had to rewrite the code for OS5. Which kinda sucks cause it's one of those apps you buy once and never really need to upgrade unless you upgrade your device. But I'm definitely upgrading my version.

Originally posted by Submicron
I own JackFlash and had it on my previous organizer (N710). Does anyone know if the release for OS5 will be a free upgrade or will it cost $??
stronggeek
03-02-2003, 06:24 PM
I've used both on previous units also.

But if Brayder has jackflash working in house, why don't they release it for sale/upgrade so we can at least use the rom that is available(however much that is)? You can still use jackfash without jacksprat.

Stronggeek
calebsr2k
03-02-2003, 07:35 PM
I just recently purchased a NR70V/U and would like to buy the NX70. I own both JackSprat and JackFlash and have had very good success. The only thing that is stopping me from upgrading is the fact that the OS5 version is not out yet. I really want to get the NX70, but if neither of the two programs are available, then I think I will just have to stay with the NR70V/U until somthing else happens. Just trying to find out what is new and why is it that the NX70 with OS5 only gives you 11MB for use. What is up with that?
Thanks I will get off of my soap box now. :)
Submicron
03-04-2003, 09:19 PM
quote from calebsr2k:
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I just recently purchased a NR70V/U and would like to buy the NX70. I own both JackSprat and JackFlash and have had very good success. The only thing that is stopping me from upgrading is the fact that the OS5 version is not out yet. I really want to get the NX70, but if neither of the two programs are available, then I think I will just have to stay with the NR70V/U until somthing else happens. Just trying to find out what is new and why is it that the NX70 with OS5 only gives you 11MB for use. What is up with that?
Thanks I will get off of my soap box now.
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There is a thread that has some discussion on why only 11 MB. Click here (http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=5597&goto=newpost) to go to the thread.