TealMovie vs Kinoma

[jims]

I did a search first but this doesn't seem to be addressed post-dbase crash.

What are the strength's weaknesses of TealMovie vs Kinoma?  (I noticed that there is a new version of Teal that has been released.)

Which has better picture quality? Sound Quality?

Which has a better conversion process?

Which has more movies/TV shows/Cartoons available already converted?

[jims]

Is this a dumb question?  I am just starting to look into the video capabilities of my 665.  (I haven't really used this feature at all yet.)

[rob_squared]

Kinoma definately has more converted files out there. In fact, I host a few myself on my site. I can't give you a comparison with other things since I've never used tealmovie.

[slade_300]

personally i like kimona better, and one of the nice thing about it is its free

[cbulock]

I like the control that TealMovie gives over the creation of the file. It seemed easier to me to get exaclty the right looking video when using TealMovie. But Kinoma is easier to use.

[Yuriv]

It also depends what type of Clie you have. The newest version of Tealmovie is designed for OS5 machines running ARM processors. Those of us using OS4.x machines are limited to the older releases of Tealmovie that: a) don't have a seek function; and b) are low-res.
If you have the ARM chip, then I think Tealmovie would be an excellent choice as it does allow for more customization of the file encoding settings. However, as other people are pointing out, most of the video available on the web is in Kinoma format.

[gleon]

I try both and I prefer Kinoma, specially for the time conversion and quality, I kept the kinoma

[hansschmucker]

The TealMovie Converter is much better then the Kinoma Producer since it doesn't rely on QuickTime for import functions.

What does this mean? This means Kinoma will only convert files that are in MOV format or some old AVI format (for example Indeo or MJPEG), so just install QTplayer and try to watch some of your movies... you should be able to convert all those files you are able to watch in Kinoma.

TealMovie Converter uses VFW, Video for Windows, so you should be able to convert any file Windows Media Player can play.

Kinoma Producer looks nicer but allows only very limited control over video quality, bitrate, framerate and so on. This makes it practically impossible to use for old devices. If you've got a device with only little memory, forget about Kinoma, as files will be BIG, however it will produce superior quality over TM on highcolor devices.

I prefer TealMovie over Kinoma on my older devices, however I now use the NX' built-in player, as it delivers superior quality ten both: TM and KP

[hansschmucker]

Oh and for the player side: Both programs have very simple interface with about the same functionality. No real differences there

[jims]

Thanks for the input everyone.

[muybweno]

tell you the truth..i kinda think that Kinoma player really sucks though....I'm starting to think that the original player supported by the NX70V is a little bit better than the kinoma player.

with respects to video quality...the kinoma has huge pixilated blocks that you can see....looks like your looking through a clear windows pane with water driping down. But kinoma player has excellent playback speed and its pretty much just as fast as the original mpg before the conversion to kinoma format....but with that speed you sacrifice tons and tons of space from your memory card...
if you have a 3:00 music video thats roughly 30mb's big...then the kinoma player will only decrease the size to about 3mbs and you don't get the same picture quality....its worse than how it originally looks but the speed of the playback is great (around 30fps). for $30 bucks...not too sure if i should buy it....

the original movie player built in the NX70V comes with that image conversion software on the clie install disk. You dont have to wait that long to have it convert to MQV format but its only restricted to .mpg formats for conversion which really sucks. but the quality of the playback is a ton better than kinoma...its just that the playback speed (fps) is slow...maybe around 15 fps.

well enough of my thoughts...i'll just probably wait until another company makes a flawless movie player...kinda like Windows Media Player...

[cbulock]

Originally posted by muybweno
You dont have to wait that long to have it convert to MQV format but its only restricted to .mpg formats for conversion which really sucks. but the quality of the playback is a ton better than kinoma..

While I agree that the movie player built in to the NX/NZ's is much better than Kinoma, the Image Converter software does more than just .MPG files. It also converts basic .AVI files and Quicktime files. It won't nativley convert Divx movies though, which is kinda a bummer.

[hansschmucker]

It does convert DivX, just install 3ivx, which is a DivX codec for Quicktime. Now, your only problem is sound since QT can't decode WMA audio, only PCM, ADPCM and MP3 (as well as a few others)

[cbulock]

Originally posted by hansschmucker
It does convert DivX, just install 3ivx, which is a DivX codec for Quicktime. Now, your only problem is sound since QT can't decode WMA audio, only PCM, ADPCM and MP3 (as well as a few others)

I didn't realize Divx worked. I downloaded 3ivx but I still can't get it to work. I'll have to try again later.

[JoeT]

Tealmovie: sharpest picture, but LOUSY color banding.
Kinoma: smoothest playback at high fps (30), so-so color banding (better than Teal, but not as sharp)
Built-in NX70 Sony Movie Player: Sharpest and most perfect color (practically zero color banding). The problem: takes hi fps and chops down to about 15 fps.

I'm bugging the guys at www.clievideo.com to make a player that gives the best of all. Please help me bug them!

[hansschmucker]

Sidenote. TealMovie is based on an 8-bit coded, while Kinoma is based on a 24-bit codec. Kinda explains TM's "lousy" color banding (I think it's actually not that bad)

[chopstxxx]

I installed 3ivx and can't get Image Converter to work with Divx movies either. Anyone else been to get it to work? How?

[cbulock]

I just noticed that Divx 5 files work fine in Image Converter. I think thats the problem I have been having as all my movies are in Divx 4 format. And to get the sound to work, it was to be in uncompressed format.

[Mr. Spic]

Originally posted by cbulock
I just noticed that Divx 5 files work fine in Image Converter. I think thats the problem I have been having as all my movies are in Divx 4 format. And to get the sound to work, it was to be in uncompressed format.

Actually Image Converter should handle DivX 3 and up...and you hit the nail on the head...the problem is the audio in which some are encoded that cause for no sound or sync problems. 

What I do when I am faced with that is that I use VirtualDub with DivX 5.0.3 installed I re-encode the AVI or what have you (mpeg) and then it's ok...It's a bit of work but has worked flawlessly...I just finished encoding Season 1 and 2 (up to the last episode) of 24.  No probs...

Cheers!

[hansschmucker]

use AVI / Video:MJPEG / Audio:PCM instead of MPEG.
Mjpeg encoding is a LOT faster then MPEG encoding (MPEG does interframe compression, while an MJPEG is basically a collection of JPEG files stuffed into one big AVI file) (640x480x25fps on 1200Mhz MJPEG: 1/3 realtime; MPEG: 4x realtime)
and usually is better when it comes to high qualities as well. Only problem is it takes up a lot of diskspace. So make sure you set the resize filter to 320x240 in Virtualdub before exporting. Still, 10 minutes usually take about 250MB

[JoeT]

Anyone know how to get higher than 15fps in Sony Movie Player at high quality?