I LOVE Graffiti1

[MMike]

I put Graffiti 1 on my T3 the other day and am MUCH HAPPIER and able to input data much quicker! I tried to like G2 but never figured out how to write a word that ends in L without changing it to a T when I make the space before the next word (without pausing much longer than I had to with G1). I also had problems with getting a space before words that begin with F. Additionally, I never figured out (have to admit I didn't try too hard either) how to get some of the symbols I use on a regular basis ($, %, :, etc).

I'm curious, how many long time G1 users with T3s have converted it to G1. If not, how do you cope with G2? Am I missing anything by not using G2?

Mad
Mike

[Vidge]

Palm owner here since May 1996, when I bought my Pilot 5000, so I've been using G1 for 7+ years. When I bought my T2 at the beginning of August, I fought with G2 until somebody came out with the solution to revert to G1, which I promptly did. I bought my T3 on 9/26 and immediately loaded G1 on it. As I was having some problems (probably caused by software conflicts), I took it off a couple of days later. I have not put G1 back on my T3 yet. I've been trying to use G2. But every day, I'm getting a little closer to going back to G1.

Nope - you ain't missin' a thing :( except having to do more strokes for the same characters.

[edeab220]

I seem to be a quick learner :D. When I got my T|T3, I was a little mad 'cuz it didn't come with G1. But, after a weeks use, I got used to G2. It is a little harder to use (I hate the "i" and "k" rule :mad: ), but you get used to it, much like me getting used to the circular keypad on my 3650.

[tpipher]

Count me in for G1! Can use either but LOVE G! and hacked it back to G1 within the first hour.

[n0m0n]

Well practice, practice, practice...
That what I keep telling myself.
I did convert my T3 to G1 but started to experience digitizer issues.
It started not to react to the input as well as it did.
I know that right off the bat you loose the built in middle cap app.
It takes time to learn anything that requires retraining, but I will be going back to try again G2.
I think hat after a while you loose sensitivity to the graffiti input.

[tpipher]

Well as we are in doubt of just HOW compatible G1 is for the T3 I have downloaded TealScript from tealpoint and trained it to G1. Everything works great and don't have the digitizer issues. It's cheap and easy, and I can still have it my way. :-)

[keelinlee]

I used love to Graffiti 1 but now I more prefer Garffiti 2 :D

[MMike]

n0m0n - If you use the three section Graffiti input screen you can get caps without the uppercase stroke by writing in the middle section. Of course, you loose the icons on the side but with the status bar at the bottom and Button Launch 1.5 I don't miss that at all.

Vidge - I haven't run into any digitizer issues, yet. What programs did you experience them in?

Mad
Mike

[nickster87]

When I first got my NX80V, I hated G2, but it kinda grew on me. Now I'm pretty fast with it. It has it's advantages over G1, mainly that you don't have to do an upstroke to capitalize a letter. I thought that was annoying on G1.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.;)

[Vidge]

Originally posted by MMike

Vidge - I haven't run into any digitizer issues, yet. What programs did you experience them in?

Mad
Mike

As I only had it on my T3 for a couple of days, I was loading and reloading stuff getting my T3 setup for an out-of-town trip. (I got it on Friday & had to leave for a week on Monday.) I don't remember which apps specifically misbehaved, but it was annoying enough for me to do a couple of hard resets and reload all of my software one at a time. (BTW, I've done more hard resets with my T3 than I've ever done with any POS unit that I've owned over the last 7+ years - combined :()

I think the main problem I was having was getting Datebook5 (my most used software, by far) to work the way I wanted it to. I was experiencing a delay as well as a tazer-like sound when entering a new appointment or marking off a to-do. It was quite irritating. (Delay is still there - sound is gone since I turned off the systems sounds.) So I took G1 off and just haven't had time to put it back on.

Maybe next week...

[iboar]

Originally posted by MMike
n0m0n - If you use the three section Graffiti input screen you can get caps without the uppercase stroke by writing in the middle section. Of course, you loose the icons on the side but with the status bar at the bottom and Button Launch 1.5 I don't miss that at all.

You can use the "classic" Graffiti input screen to create uppercase letters by drawing them near the center on top of the dotted line. See example in the attached image--this will create an uppercase "S".

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by iboar
You can use the "classic" Graffiti input screen to create uppercase letters by drawing them near the center on top of the dotted line. See example in the attached image--this will create an uppercase "S".

Ok when I copied the 3 prc's over, and installed them onto my T3 at which point I reverted back to G1, and all that it had to offer.
I did not have any Cap app abilities.
Could I have done something wrong???
Now what version of G1 are you using???
I mean from what unit.
PDA???
Thanks

[tpipher]

I used the G1 files in the T2 and it worked fine and so good sence says load them in the T3, which I did. HOWEVER when I did that it started getting really flaky. I did a hard reset and installed TealScrip and trained it to G1 style and I have a stable T3 using "G1" style graphitti. I would think twice before loading the old G1 files into the T3. I think the new Graphitti area and it's "way" of doing things is too different for the G1 files to handle.

[lioncitysg]

anyway that i can use the G1 file??
can some one show me the way to download and also the steps to revert to G1??

[n0m0n]

You just need to take the 3 prc's. from a older unti that uses G1
Graffiti Library.prc
Graffiti Library_enUS.prc
Graffiti Library.prc

Hotsync them onto your T3 and they will over write the G2 prc's.
Remeber a hard reset will restore the G2 so copy a set of the G1 prc's. onto yoiur card so that you can always restore them.

[mtuckman]

Is there any chance that the other option for entry, Decuma, will ever be available to Palm units like the T3?

[n0m0n]

I thought I read somewhere that it does work on the Palm products.
I have never tried it but maybe I can see if I can copy it off of my NX and transfer it onto my T#.

[n0m0n]

Well the files are locked in the ROM.
JackSprat has not been offered for the NX80v to date.
Unless I can find someone with the app's on a unit that JackSprat has been made to work on were out of luck.
Sorry

[DeanDC10]

Originally posted by n0m0n
You just need to take the 3 prc's. from a older unti that uses G1
Graffiti Library.prc
Graffiti Library_enUS.prc
Graffiti Library.prc

Hotsync them onto your T3 and they will over write the G2 prc's.
Remeber a hard reset will restore the G2 so copy a set of the G1 prc's. onto yoiur card so that you can always restore them.

It is only the two files you mention above and you DO NOT HOTSYNC THEM. You must COPY them from a SD card or BEAM them from another Palm. If you HotSync them you'll be completely locked up and it wil require a Hard Reset.

After I copied these files to my T3 I still have the Mid Caps withouth a problem. This works in any mode, on the VG, on the screen etc.... I don't even have to write on top of the center line like mentioned above, just to the right side of the ABC area.

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by DeanDC10
It is only the two files you mention above and you DO NOT HOTSYNC THEM. You must COPY them from a SD card or BEAM them from another Palm. If you HotSync them you'll be completely locked up and it wil require a Hard Reset.

After I copied these files to my T3 I still have the Mid Caps withouth a problem. This works in any mode, on the VG, on the screen etc.... I don't even have to write on top of the center line like mentioned above, just to the right side of the ABC area.


You said only 2?
I used all 3.
Which one are you saying is not needed?
And I am sorry I meant to type you must sync them over to your card and then move them over.
Many apologies!

[DeanDC10]

You listed one file twice, Graffiti Library.prc

[n0m0n]

Oh I stand corrected.

[sach]

Can't seem to replace G2 by G1 on my new TungstenE.

I have a PalmV running OS 3.1 (Graffiti1 included) & downloaded FileZ. I open that up on the device, check the ROM checkbox, and still can't find files Graffiti Library.prc or Graffiti Library_enUS.prc. I searched/filtered by both name and size and still couldn't find either...

The only two files I can find which include the word "graffiti" are Graffiti Shortcut (creator: graf) and Graffiti Demo (creator: gdem). I tried beaming these to my new T/E to see if these were just alternate names, but at least one of the files was incompatible with OS5 (i.e. failed again at replacing annoying G2). Anyone have any idea of what I should try next?

Much appreciated,
Sacha

[PalmAddict]

Those files will not be on your Palm V. They were only ever on the Tungsten T (the only Palm branded OS 5 device to ship with Graffiti 1). You need to find someone with a T|T and ask them to copy them off for you, or go into a computer store who still has a working demo unit of the T|T on display and copy them off of there. Ask around. Someone may still have the files here that can e-mail them to you.

[n0m0n]

They can also be found on a Clie if you have one.

[chinchorrero]

I am very happy with G2
( you need time, G2 is ok. )

[Phydeaux III]

I also switched to G1..... I am not exepriencing any problems (as described) .... After using palms for over 7 years, I don't want to have to learn a new input system.... At this point I can write in graphitti as fast as I can write on paper ....

[theDoc]

Originally posted by DeanDC10

After I copied these files to my T3 I still have the Mid Caps withouth a problem. This works in any mode, on the VG, on the screen etc.... I don't even have to write on top of the center line like mentioned above, just to the right side of the ABC area.

a few questions for T3 users with G1 installed:

does midcap work without any 3rd party soft?
does write-anywhere work?
does the wide/triple area VG work?
any probs switching between keyboard/VG by holding down control bar icon?
any probs/conflicts you've noticed?

thank you

[MMike]

theDoc,

I have been using G1 for a while without problem.

The midcap feature of the two-part VG screen works

The write-anywhere feature works fine

The wide/triple area VG works and produces lower case in the left area, upper in the middle, and numbers on the right (it is my VG of choice, in fact)

The switch from VG to wide VG to keyboard works the same as it did before

So, you get all the comfort and convenience of the T3 with the bonus of not having to learn a new (and slower, in my opinion) way to write

Mad
Mike

[hiro]

I hated G2 when I started using it, but have mostly adapted to it. I still hate the "i", "k" and "t", but I love the midcap feature. Now that I know I can have G1 AND midcap, I'm tempted to try G1 on my T3. Thanks for all the info.

On a related note, there's one character that I've never ever succeeded in making, even after repeated trips to the G2 help screen and many attempts. It's the "@" symbol. I always get some other character. Has anyone else run into this, and do you have a workaround (not counting the keyboard, of course!)?

Thanks,

--Scott

[jledesma]

just write it like so, an "a" with that little round trail. On the letter side, of course. You can even write the "a" part like in graffiti 1. Just make sure you draw the round trail ;)

[hiro]

Originally posted by jledesma
just write it like so, an "a" with that little round trail. On the letter side, of course. You can even write the "a" part like in graffiti 1. Just make sure you draw the round trail ;)

I was just about to write back saying that I still couldn't get it to work, but then I managed to make a few. What I finally decided (to my great surprise) is that speed matters. The more slowly and deliberately I made the sign, the less likely it was to be read correctly. Of course, that guaranteed that I would always fail to make it when I was trying so hard! What seems to work most reliably is making the sign as fast as I can.

Thanks.

--Scott

[theDoc]

Originally posted by MMike
theDoc,

I have been using G1 for a while without problem.

The midcap feature of the two-part VG screen works

The write-anywhere feature works fine

The wide/triple area VG works and produces lower case in the left area, upper in the middle, and numbers on the right (it is my VG of choice, in fact)

The switch from VG to wide VG to keyboard works the same as it did before

So, you get all the comfort and convenience of the T3 with the bonus of not having to learn a new (and slower, in my opinion) way to write

Mad
Mike

Hi Mike, perhaps you can help me solve this:

I installed the two files, everything works well, but no midcaps on the classic VG or in write-anywhere; the three part VG works fine.

my files are:

Graffiti Library.prc 31,506 bytes
Graffiti Library_enUS.prc 23,058 bytes

are these the same as you're using?
thanks

6 years of G1 is hard to give up. i can live without midcaps...i guess.

[Vivi]

I've never succeeded in getting the Midcaps to work on my T3 with G1.

Taken to using Graffiti Anywhere to help out with this.

[n0m0n]

There was a thread a while back where I also claimed that I could not get the midcaps to work but I was told by many that they did with G1 so I reverted back to G2 and was done with it all...
Now I have midcaps...

[MMike]

OK, maybe midcaps doesn't work. I tested it again and figured out that I was just getting a capital letter because I started a new memo and it defaults to a cap on the first letter, sorry. The loss of midcaps isn't really an issue to me as I prefer the three box VG area. I don't need the icons thanks to the status bar and Button Launch 1.5

Mad
Mike

[PatrickS]

I like G1 better, but the fact is that it is a thing of the past, unless miraculously Xerox does the right thing and drops its suit.

That means all future Palms are going to use G2 (at least until G3 appears). I figure I may as well get used to G2 cause it aint going away and there'll be a time when converting back to G1 wont work.

[theDoc]

Originally posted by PatrickS
I like G1 better, but the fact is that it is a thing of the past, unless miraculously Xerox does the right thing and drops its suit.

That means all future Palms are going to use G2 (at least until G3 appears). I figure I may as well get used to G2 cause it aint going away and there'll be a time when converting back to G1 wont work.

sure, but there will still be tools for custom recognition which can emulate G1 (ie tealscript). also, I figure there will be better input methods down the road (voice recog?). i'll postpone learning getting used to G2..... i do actually think there are some advantages to G2, like some of the punctuation marks.

[n0m0n]

I have again tried to over write the G2 with G1 and well after a while the graffiti input gets flaky.
Its almost like the digitizer starts to get sloppy.
i co back to G2 and the input consistency comes back.
What do you all think?
Thanks

[Ni+Mh]

Same ere ;) I love G1 ;) Even though I've only started using Palm about a year and a half ago, I'm so used to it I even write Graffitti on paper! It's no doubt the fastest input method which requires writing that is for any PDA!