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neo_deets
10-09-2003, 07:26 PM
I have notice that I'm not alown in switching from the sony to a palmOne. Does anyone know how well the T3 is selling?

I think this model might actually have an effect on their proformance.
Vidge
10-09-2003, 08:08 PM
Don't have any numbers but it seems a bunch of Sony users are coming back to the fold. After all, the T3 is close to what Sony users have been asking for since the NR was released - a T-series sized PDA with VG.

The speed and memory are just a bonus! :)
dmxmd
10-09-2003, 08:11 PM
They're baaaaaack.
Vidge
10-09-2003, 08:23 PM
Not they - we.
dmxmd
10-09-2003, 08:54 PM
(I keep have these Children of the Corn picture flashing in my mind everytime I visit this thread)
Vidge
10-09-2003, 08:57 PM
I hope that's all you have in you head :)
dmxmd
10-09-2003, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by Vidge
I hope that's all you have in you head :)

:D :D :D :D :D
tanker_bob
10-09-2003, 09:52 PM
I've heard that a lot of stores are backordered. This is indeed what us Sony T-series owners were looking for in an upgrade. Too bad for Sony, but they wouldn't listen.
edeab220
10-09-2003, 09:54 PM
In my school...there are a few Sony ppl movin' to the T|T3, and some PPC people are movin' to the T|T3...

As many ppl have said, Sorry Sony, but you didn't give us what we wanted, and palmOne did ;) :D
neo_deets
10-09-2003, 11:57 PM
I agree: I hope that a lot of people come back over to the palm platform. I also hope they drop the prices on these (even though I have allready purchased one) if they do I belive more people will come over to using this platform rather then the pocket PC or anthing else.
Alsicole
10-11-2003, 02:34 PM
Well just judging on Expansys UK, who've had stock in for over a week, T3 and TE are their best selling Palm OS units.

They've had T3s in and out of stock over the last week, which means they're selling out quickly. Right now it's a 2 day wait!
dmxmd
10-11-2003, 08:03 PM
I just hope there aren't that many bugs to make people curse the day they switched backt o Palm
keelinlee
10-11-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Vidge
... After all, the T3 is close to what Sony users have been asking for since the NR was released - a T-series sized PDA with VG. The speed and memory are just a bonus! :)

Agreed with Vidge :D At least PalmOne listen to buyers
tanker_bob
10-11-2003, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by keelin
Agreed with Vidge :D At least PalmOne listen to buyers
Ditto. We've been writing about VG on a T-sized unit and more RAM as well, but Sony didn't listen. The TJ25 and TJ35 are just recast SJ22s and SJ33s. Palm stepped up to the plate to make the T665C's successor. So be it. My cash goes to those who meet my requirements, not to those who try to sell me what I don't want, trying to make me want it.
Vidge
10-11-2003, 10:46 PM
Originally posted by dmxmd
I just hope there aren't that many bugs to make people curse the day they switched backt o Palm

Except for the SD card problem (which I haven't experienced, BTW) I don't know of any bugs - and I've been using my T3 since 9/26.
tanker_bob
10-11-2003, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Vidge
Except for the SD card problem (which I haven't experienced, BTW) I don't know of any bugs - and I've been using my T3 since 9/26.
Ditto. My 2 256MB PNY (Toshiba) cards have worked great since 10/1.
Jayman
10-12-2003, 02:45 AM
I havent noticed any bugs with SD Cards, does the T3 actually run the risk of destroying a perfectly good card?
tanker_bob
10-12-2003, 02:49 AM
Depends what you mean by perfectly good. Sandisk SDs have problems in lots of devices, not just PDAs and certainly not just T3s. A few other casualties have fallen, but that could represent the relative number of cards from those manufacturers that are out of tolerances. From polls I've seen on this and other boards, the problems fall upon a minority, though that doesn't lessen the impact to them.
hucsman
10-12-2003, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by Tanker Bob
Ditto. We've been writing about VG on a T-sized unit and more RAM as well, but Sony didn't listen. The TJ25 and TJ35 are just recast SJ22s and SJ33s. Palm stepped up to the plate to make the T665C's successor. So be it. My cash goes to those who meet my requirements, not to those who try to sell me what I don't want, trying to make me want it.

Good point. The educated buyer has absolutely no brand loyalty (what a hoax!), he/she has value loyalty.
tanker_bob
10-12-2003, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by hucsman
Good point. The educated buyer has absolutely no brand loyalty (what a hoax!), he/she has value loyalty.
Absolutely. Loyalty goes both ways. The provider must listen to their customers and meet their needs to retain their business. If they turn their backs on their customers, can they expect nothing less in return?

In a way, I wonder if Reggie and Joel would have created this board if Sony had made a T-series replacement w/VG and 64MB RAM and retained the customers that left in droves for the T3.
kkerruish
10-12-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by Tanker Bob
Absolutely. Loyalty goes both ways. The provider must listen to their customers and meet their needs to retain their business. If they turn their backs on their customers, can they expect nothing less in return?

In the old days, before Palm split into Palmsource and PalmOne - their brand loyalty was high, and they didn't respect it.

Just look at all of the people living without Bluetooth because Palm never bothered to develop drivers for their Bluetooth SD card for OS5!

All of those PQA's out there because Palm didn't think forward enough to consider web clipping valuable in OS5 devices...

Some of us went 6 months with no keyboard support for OS5 - because Palm wouldn't get on the ball and create the drivers for their keyboard (which kept Sony from modifying it for themselves)...

It looks like the split to two companies might have been good for PalmOne, as their support seems to be more responsive, and their design team is finally getting a grip on users.

I've often wondered if the design team for Sony or PalmOne actually *use* a device to come up with design ideas.

Ken
tanker_bob
10-12-2003, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by kkerruish
In the old days, before Palm split into Palmsource and PalmOne - their brand loyalty was high, and they didn't respect it.

Agreed. I think that's why Sony picked up market share so fast, in part anyway. If Palm's m505 had the innovation of the T615C, or the m515 of the T665C or at least hadn't stagnated for 18 months, their market share wouldn't have dropped so quickly. Although it's not a zero-sum game, for someone in the industry to rise very quickly, someone else's business it taking the hit.
yoopermjm
10-13-2003, 02:12 PM
They've definitely got the edge on Sony now. I came back and I'm sooo glad I did. If I can get this new desktop set up (I'm still stuck on 4.1 as the new one doesn't work for me) and my pny doesn't fry, I'll have absolutely NO problems or bugs.
joejoe
10-13-2003, 03:24 PM
Not sure who currently has the edge but Palm has the newest devices. The Sonys, as someone pointed out, will be the current SJ series with OS5 -- nothing ground-breaking.

Loyalty is a weird thing, though. So many true Palm loyalists, in face of the spectacular N710 (first hi-res, color device) claimed that the IIIC was infinitely better. Or the 505 or 515. An emperor's new clothes type of thing.

I used to think I was a Sony loyalist but now I know it was not loyalty I felt but rather a feeling that they produced superior products at price points I could handle, nothing more.

Palm *finally* has managed to price their newest units fairly. Sony, au contraire, (if one excludes the low end models) has been off on a wild tangent producing super-high end devices which are heavy on gadgetry at nosebleed prices.

The whole PDA market is highly volatile. Sony could announce an upcoming unit with VG, 64 MB RAM, super-extended battery life with a compelling software package at a T|3 undercutting price point. And then what?

I'm just grateful that we have competing companies (& their PocketPC equivalents) to keep the pressure on for innovation & improvement.
yoopermjm
10-13-2003, 03:34 PM
Right you are. Sony pushes Palm, and back and forth it goes, and the consumer is the winner. No way this beauty is here now if Sony doesn't come out with the "big screen" pda first. Thank you Sony! You made my T3 lots nicer.
tanker_bob
10-13-2003, 04:01 PM
That's the way I see it. Competition always benefits the consumer.

I thought I was a Palm loyalist until the sorely disappointing m505, then a Sony loyalist until the T3. Guess I'm a fickle loyalist--ya gotta earn my bucks. :)
AI3
10-13-2003, 06:35 PM
I was very tempted to splurge on the T3 when I first started seeing reviews/pictures on it. I was also tempted by the UX50 but was scared off by the $699.00 price tag. I currently own quite a few Sony products and am well invested in MS's so it would be difficult for me to change. The SD problems and poor QC on the T3 screens have scared me off for now. Am I the only one who is wondering why PALM does not have WI-FI and Bluetooth in the same device?? Seems silly to have the T2/T3/TC and have to rely on the lone SD slot to add WI-FI or bluetooth. I also want a keyboard like on the TC. Palm should copy off the new IPAQ's coming out that are identical except one has a keyboard and the other does not.
hucsman
10-14-2003, 12:11 AM
T3 with Wi-Fi would be like the holy grail of PDA's :cool:
tanker_bob
10-14-2003, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by hucsman
T3 with Wi-Fi would be like the holy grail of PDA's :cool:
And the death of your battery. :rolleyes: