System Patch for NX70

[eone]

Hi,

I just install the system patch for NX70,

1. I notice that I don't have "3452Slot 2.00" file inside, is it normal?
2. For the rest of the file, I have the previous version and the newer version, is it normal? Can I delete the old file?

[captainao]

-The file name is 3452MSLib 2.00
-Yes, it's normal to have both versions, and you won't be able to delete the "old" one because it is in ROM
FYI, it is possible to delete some of the files included in the patch that you don't want/need. For example, I deleted the ATRAC file (Avx_AT3Decoder) 32K and the MP3 file (Avx_MP3Decoder) 42K as I only use 128kbps mp3s on this unit. If you look in the read me on Sony's site you may find that there are files you can delete, too.
A note of caution, however; though I can't see any of these deletions doing any harm to you or your hardware, I'd avoid it if you're not comfortable with resetting/restoring your Clie.

[chazzz]

[for reference, this add-on refers specifically to the NX60 patch, but I figured the operation of both NX60 & NX70 patches would be similar enough...]

Mind if I tag on to the end of this question? The Sony support site says that the patch requires 606k of free RAM. After applying the patch is that 606K gone forever (so no I'd really only have 10.4M available on a 16MB machine)? Or does it add patches to ROM, or does it miraculously throw the patches into that 5MB vortex of "11-16MB" space?

[captainao]

-I wouldn't assume that patches work the same, though they might
-on the NX70 the patch is ~300K, and the post-patch elements in RAM do total roughly this amount (unless you delete some as I mentioned above).
-As is mentioned in other threads, the NX70 only has 11 "usable" out of 16 mb because of its dynamic heap; I'm not sure about the NX60, but NX70 patch definitely is not written to ROM

[Phalanx]

Originally posted by captainao
I deleted the ATRAC file (Avx_AT3Decoder) 32K and the MP3 file (Avx_MP3Decoder) 42K as I only use 128kbps mp3s on this unit. [/B]

So what does the Avx_MP3Decoder file do? Are you implying that this file will allow you to play VBR MP3s? ...Hoping....

[n2ifp]

No VBR yet

[captainao]

philipv, check the docs that come with this update. If I remember correctly they indicate that the mp3 patch is to allow/improve playback at 98kbps

[Jayell]

I got my NX70 off ebay and the buyer can't tell me if its US or UK model (!). In any case the patch clearly states this is for US models. Is this true and any sign of VBR support for Mp3 forthcoming from Sony ? Apparently this was supported on earlier Clies.

Ta
J

[goyanian]

I do not think that NX70V from UK or from US or even from Asia make any difference. Sony CLIE is one of the sony products that has an international warranty (notice that the model number is same any where in the world, comparing to the messed up R505 series models). You should be able to install the patch with no problem. I got my NX70V from Hong Kong, and mine does not have a problem with the patch.

[n2ifp]

I believe there is several different models, but not for English. I think there are German and Japanese models too.

[Jayell]

Thanks guys. In my experience Sony (europe or perhaps even Sony UK) is very slow at providing even minor upgrades to their products compared to their stateside cousins.

I experienced this with a Vaio laptop going from Win98 to XP. US site has a step-by-step upgrade walkthrough on the Web with update drivers and BIOS whereas Sony Europe forces the purchase of an all-in-one XP upgrade CD. Guess which costs the user more !

Thanks
J :)

[Pen-Pen]

n2ifp, there is three models of each clié
Japanese
US
European

The japanese and the US have only one language, but the european one have three language : English (for UK), French, and German

[euroclie]

Originally posted by goyanian
I do not think that NX70V from UK or from US or even from Asia make any difference. Sony CLIE is one of the sony products that has an international warranty (notice that the model number is same any where in the world, comparing to the messed up R505 series models). You should be able to install the patch with no problem. I got my NX70V from Hong Kong, and mine does not have a problem with the patch.

As far as warranty go, there is no such thing as international warranty on the Clie devices. I mean, if you buy a Clie in another country during a trip, you will have to go back there for tech support if you want the warranty, or Sony will handle it locally where you live but for a fee (=outside of the warranty).

That being said, I think that there are only three different NX70V models:

The Japanese model, obviously with a Japanese-only ROM, called the NX70V/J,

The US model, with an English-only ROM. I think that this is the same device that can be found in Hong Kong or Singapore, though marketed with a different model reference (NX70V/H or NX70V/G respectively) instead of the original NX70V/U in the USA,

The European model, which ROM contains three languages (English, French and German) and which is called the NX70V/E.

Should your NX70V have no sticker with the model reference at the back, it's easy to find out the model:

If it's Japanese... well, you should have noticed by now, unless you're so good at Japanese that you didn't realize you were reading Kanji and Kana instead of werstern characters... ;)

If it's a European model, then looking at the ROM with a filemanager (like FileZ, McFile or any equivalent, please make sure you activated the option to display ROM files) will show you the different languages (basically for every application you have an associated overlay file which names ends by _frFR for French Language, _deDE for German and (sometimes) _enUS for English.

If you don't have any _frFR or _deDE file in your ROM, then you can safely assume that this is a US model (or that the device ROM was modified by JackSprat, but there's no OS5 version yet so for now this case can be ignored).

As far as software patches are concerned, paches for the Japanese and non-Japanese versions of the device are often non-compatible. There are basically two cases:

1) If the patch is originally in Japanese, it won't work on non Japanese devices, or at best it will work but display gibberish characters (Japanese character but with the wrong font/encoding)

2) some patches/drivers released for Japanese devices are originally written in English but have been localized by adding some Japanese overlay files (which name end by _jpJP). Installing the patch without the _jpJP files can give good result on non Japanese devices, but there's no warranty there.

Now if the patch is for a non Japanese device, chances are that you will be able to install on both the European and US versions of the NX70V. I won't consider the case where someone would want to install a European patch on a US device (since the European patch is genreally released after the US version...), and concentrate only on the case where a European NX70V owner would want to install a US version patch/driver on his device.

In this case, you'll either have all the menus and texts involved by the patch in English on your device, whatever the language you've chosen (French or German or English), or the patch may simply not work unless you chose the English language on your device.

How to find out what the result will be? By installing the files of course, but you can also try to guess the result by checking the presence or lack of overlay files. If there are overlay files (_enUS) included in the patch, they will certainly only work if your European device has the English language selected, because the European English locale is not _enUK as could be expected but the same _enUS as the US model. Otherwise, if there's no _enUS file in the patch, then the modified menus and text will always be in English whatever the selected language. That is unless you create the appropriate overlay (_frFR or _deDE) files yourself, which is not very difficult by the way...

And just for information, changing the language on a European Clie does not necessarily involve performing a hard reset and losing all your data, you can use a very simple program I wrote which lets you change the language by a simple soft reset (but don't try this with a monolingual ROM!!! Hard reset needed as your device will go into an endless boot/error process, trying to change to a language it cannot find in the device memory)

Localize v0.1beta (http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?prodID=43836)

All in all, a word of warning: don't try to install a patch on your device which has not been specifically targeted to your device model, unless you're ready to take a chance, as you might eventually encounter problems and possibly have to hard reset your device!

Sorry for the long and technically boring message... and congratulations if you managed to read it to this phrase, you're approaching its end!!! ;)

Hope this helps! :)

[fns]

folks,

I've an NX70V/E, bought in Europe, Nederland. I cannot use my Memory Stick Pro on it - I installed the US patch but it seems it does not work at all.
Do you know any URLs according to European model's support?

[MFK]

fns,

try this link, it is the original Sony update:

http://www.clie-link.com/uk/updates.asp?ID=884&submenu=updates.asp&mainmenu=compatibility.asp

[fns]

MFK, Thank you very much indeed - that was the URL I searched for days. It solved all of the MS Pro issues on my NX70V/E.
Thanks again.

[murrayphd]

I am noticing there are different letters on the end of the model numbers: NX70V/E for example, while mine is NX70V/U. Does anyone know the significance of the last letter?? I've been wondering for quite some time now. I bought mine in the US. The ...E owner bought a European model. Is it really that simple?

Hoping someone in the know will let me in on it! Thanks. B

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by murrayphd
I am noticing there are different letters on the end of the model numbers: NX70V/E for example, while mine is NX70V/U. Does anyone know the significance of the last letter?? I've been wondering for quite some time now. I bought mine in the US. The ...E owner bought a European model. Is it really that simple?

Hoping someone in the know will let me in on it! Thanks. B

Yes!

[fns]

There should be a /J for Japanese.

[murrayphd]

the amusing part about the final letter: /u, for example, is that NOBODY at Sony whom I spoke to could tell me...and I spoke to several! murrayphd

[cbulock]

Originally posted by fns
There should be a /J for Japanese.

Yep, there sure is!

[NR70V-o-holic]

Originally posted by euroclie





That is unless you create the appropriate overlay (_frFR or _deDE) files yourself, which is not very difficult by the way...




Can you give me some hints on how to do that?
I´m very interested in generating some overlay´s to
"germanize" some apps.
Would be great if you can help me on this.. :rolleyes:

Noh

[nx70]

Well euroclie. I am too interested in that. So I could use US-English-patches to update my NX.
BTW NR70-o-holic were you able to access the German Sony webpage? I only get a loop or see a page which does not load..

[NR70V-o-holic]

Originally posted by nx70

BTW NR70-o-holic were you able to access the German Sony webpage? I only get a loop or see a page which does not load..

NX70,

do you mean this (http://www.clie-link.com/de/entry.asp) one?

I have no problems getting the site loaded....

Noh