CLIE NX70V versus Palm TT

[dkostas]

I currently own a PalmVx and am close to maximizing my 8mb. I want to upgrade, but want to purchase a product that has been as reliable and easy to use as my Vx (I enjoy the external Palm keyboard as well). Have narrowed my choices down to the Palm Tungsten and the Sony NX70V. Though the Sony seems to have a few more bells and whistles (camera, faster processor), I've been pleased with my Palm and would rather not give up quality for a bit more quantity. Any thoughts on the differences between the two (minus, of course the fact that the NX has a camera). Also, heard a bit about the new TG50 coming out next month. How might that compare to the NX?

Thanks- Dino

[terret]

I can talk a bit about this, I was recently in the same boat, Palm T or a sony NX? What sold me was the flash player...I develop flash. As for your questions, you will not be sacrificing quality with the sony, it is a well made machine, I am not worried about wear and tear one bit (dropping it is another story...)

Advantages for the sony:
*Best screen of ANY PDA, I won't go back to a square screen now.

*Speed (the current 200mhz Xscale processor can run at 300mhz without overclocking as soon as someone releases a program to tell it to run at 300mhz.)

*Better multimedia support, remote, video player, etc.

*Virtual grafitti is MUCH easier to use in the dark, better than hard-grafitti

*Cliesource website, this community rocks!

*not made of plastic, has a jog dial if you like that

*hooks into WiFi with the WL100 card

Advantages for the palm:
*Smaller, much more pocketable (a big plus!)

*Built in bluetooth

*Great 320x320 screen

*Much Cheaper than the NX70, a bit cheaper than the NX60

*Music players availabe play VBR mp3s (as far as I know)

*Better stylus

*Grafitti area is collapsible, hard buttons are actually useful

*More than 11 megs accessible on the machine

Between the two I picked the sony, but they're both great machines. I can't speak for the TG50...

 

[dkostas]

Thanks Terret---I think the price is what's stopping me from jumping at the NX. Time will tell whether Sony will drop it when they release their new product(s).

[big_raji]

Personally, I'd wait for the TG50...

Either that, or wait for the next incarnation of the NX. I'm fairly sure Sony hasn't ended the NX line with the NZ, so the next NX should have integrated bluetooth at the least.

I'm the happy owner of an NR70v, but I've found that I don't use the camera very much at all. Also, I find that I use the keyboard alot, I don't have any apps installed besides the launcher that make use of the VG area, and I could really use bluetooth.

I'm going to get a TG50 as soon as it's out. It seems to be the perfect device for me.

[iebnn]

The TT has much better audio solutions. Aeroplayer, one of the 2 mp3/ogg/etc players for the T|T, is a lot more powerful than the one on the NX (it can also play in the background now). However, there is no MP3 remote for the T|T, which can be a big disadvantage (can't really just be put away in your pocket and navigated using the remote, as a normal mp3 player could be used). Virtual graffiti is also pretty nice to have.

[nx70/v]

One of the reasons to take a Sony were the camera. Bu5t if you compare the TT to the NX the Tungsten is a little child not yet finished. Remember the Audiopatch. Or recognizer that the TT is made of plastic with a light finish!!
That is not the quality I expect for 400 bucks!

The camrea features is not hte main reason. But the VG is. Okay the hard bttons a not really accessible. But the bigger display is making it superior. I.e. PalmReader. It makes use of the whole screen. Or Docs to Go. I will never change to a smaller one..

[dkostas]

Big Raji---what do you think the TG50 will have that will surpass the NX (or the TT for that matter)?

[big_raji]

Originally posted by dkostas
Big Raji---what do you think the TG50 will have that will surpass the NX (or the TT for that matter)?

Well, this is all a matter of personal preference, but I don't think the TG50 has anything that surpasses the NX except for bluetooth. I think it has elements from both devices mixed into one. It's almost like a Tungsten with some added features from the NX.

The TG50 is basically exactly like the Tungsten, but has the faster processor and thumb keyboard like the NX.

What it lacks are the Camera and the Virtual Graffiti of the NX. Personally, I won't miss those features that much. I've got a few bluetooth devices, but I wanted more from the Tungsten. The TG50 fits my needs perfectly.

[yOyOYoo]

Does the Tungsten have a hold switch to save battery life while playing mp3s?

My roommate got a Tungsten and it is REALLY nice, i'm really diggin the size, so unbelieveably small! The quality of this thing seems really solid also, who says the palm is made of plastic?

I'm still stuck with my NR70v, and frankly i'm tired of playing the "waiting game". I don't know if I want a unit that doesn't have virtual graffiti, but the Tungsten is really nice and I wish they had a Tungsten with virtual graffiti.

I don't know whether to wait for the new NX (current NX doesn't appeal to me (no CF drivers, CF hump) TG50 (no virtual graffiti) or the upcoming rumored Tungsten C (see www.palminfocenter.com)

If sony doesn't come out with a T-series with virtual graffiti I don't if I can stay with sony, so sad because I love sony products and I love frequenting this website. If only there was a www.palmsource.com or something for palm users.

[n2ifp]

I am spoiled with the NX's screen. I could never go back to a square one again.

[jovy]

Originally posted by n2ifp
I am spoiled with the NX's screen. I could never go back to a square one again.

Right point to my heart.

[St. Magnum]

I've had a Sony NX70V since November, and I really love it! It was an incredible improvement over my Palm M515. I chose the NX70V over the Tungsten T because of the larger screen, virtual grafitti, and multimedia capabilities. Also, I didn't have any use for bluetooth.

After almost five months of using my NX70V, I was beginning to have second thoughts. I used it in tablet mode exclusively, preferring grafitti or Fitaly Virtual for text input. It was very inconvenient and awkward to access the hard buttons to play some games. But my biggest gripe was the size. I'll probably take a lot of flak for this, but the NX70 is a BRICK compared to the M515 or the Tungsten T! I was sacrificing size and convenience for featured I don't use (camera, WiFi slot, clamshell design). At work I found it would be better to have a smaller, easier carried, easily concealed package.

Monday, I went to Best Buy and found that they had dropped the price on the Tungsten T to $369. Well, I had some cash burning a hole in my pocket so I took one home.

I am VERY pleased with the size. The Tungsten T fits into my shirt pocket very easily, and I barely notice it's there. For most of the apps I use, I never have to open the slider. The TT fits nicely in the palm of my hand. So far, battery life seems comparable to the NX70.

The screen, however, is no where as bright, crisp, sharp or vibrant as the Sony's. It seems quite dull in comparison. I really miss the larger display area for programs like AcidImage, PalmReader and Docs-to-Go. I also miss the virtual grafitti. Right now, I am still undecided. I may return the TT.

I (like many others here-abouts) would be happy if Sony would introduce a new model with OS5, 320x480 screen in a format about the size of the T615 or SJ30. I would buy one in a heartbeat.

IMHO, Sony makes a much better quality product than Palm at this time.

-- Frank

[dkostas]

Frank-

What a great response. What do you think about the differences between the NX versus TT's audio (i.e., MP3)? And how easy is it to use the attached keypad on the NX? I have a Palm Keyboard for my Vx and I use it all the time (particularly at work). Thanks again...
Dino

[yOyOYoo]

Frank, also what do you do when you are playing mp3s with the Tungsten? Can the screen be turned off via something like the sony "hold" switch?

The screen does look pretty dull but I love the hidensity/resolution icons! It gives the palm os a much cleaner look (no jagged edges)

my roommate has a Tungsten and I drool over it everyday for its miniature size. Then I question how much virtual graffiti on my NR means to me... =/

[mux1]

Originally posted by dkostas
Frank-

What a great response. What do you think about the differences between the NX versus TT's audio (i.e., MP3)? And how easy is it to use the attached keypad on the NX? I have a Palm Keyboard for my Vx and I use it all the time (particularly at work). Thanks again...
Dino

I thought the keyboard would be great when I bought it, but after more than 3 months now, I barely use it. The keys are somewhat small and there are a lot of characters that need to be accessed with functionkey.

I don't ever want to give up HiRes+ though...

[yOyOYoo]

I find that I do use the keyboard on my NR70v quite often, but not enough to justify the amount of space it takes up.

I really just want a T series with virtual graffiti with optional snap on thumbboard. That would be the dream...

[mowog]

I had a Palm Vx before upgrading to a NR70v. The Palm was a wonderful size and was very robust, I know I have dropped it many times.....

The NR is a great PDA and I bought it last June coz of the bigger screen, the RAM size, faster processor and camara. Now 8 months on I am having second thoughts about upgrading to another Sony.

I love the Hirez+ and the clear, crisp screen. I love the MP3 and remote.

What I don't like it that the hinge has become loose, the casing has faded around the edges, the hard buttons are in the wrong place to be of any use, the OS patches I load take up memory space, when Palm upgrade the OS Sony do not, hardware is not so forthcoming and what is is not really supported(CF Cradle?).

I should have guessed what it was going to be like owning a Clie or looked at this forum before I moved to Sony. It's great that Sony keep releasing new PDA's but they should not stop supporting their existing devices. I would love to have the expansion the a PPC has and I know the Palm OS devices are capable of it and I thought Sony would produce it.

My experience has made me seriously think about switching to either a Palm device or horrors of all horrors move to the PPC platform.......

[Gadgeteer_7]

I personally don't care for my nx70v because of the keyboard and always having to open twist and close to use in tablet for as well to protect the screen. I miss my T615

[nmerriam]

I went from a Palm V to an M515 to an NR70v (last june) and just got a T|T 6 weeks ago.

I remain convinced that Sony produces a better consumer machine, and Palm produces better professional/business devices.

I miss the beautiful screen of the Sony when i'm viewing photos, but Palm has made the right decision for their market that they want a screen that is viewable in all lighting conditions -- it is almost impossible to use the Sony devices under bright light or glare, but there is never a time that you cannot use the Palm.

battery life, in real use, tends to still be better on the Palm devices -- partly because you HAVE to use the backlight in order to use the Sony screen, but the T|T is completely fine in office lighting with no backlight.

I like the screen protection that the Sony clamshell design offers, but in general I think Palm's devices feel more solidly constructed. The TT really seems like a tank, but the Sony is nowehere near as fragile as I imagined the clamshell/swivel design would be.

I was very bugged by the continuing Sony support issues (no large memory sticks, crippled CF support in the NX, refusal to help developers, etc) and Palm has done a great job with the universal connector and SD standard with making accessories that work from unit to unit.

If I were using the device for music, I might go for a Sony over the Palm once the larger memory sticks are out. Ultimately for me, size mattered more than features, and the different screen technologies are both good and bad depending on the situation.

When the combination memory/802.11 SD cards come out in a few months, I will be a very happy camper on the TT with no regrets.

[mashoutposse]

Originally posted by Gadgeteer_7
I personally don't care for my nx70v because of the keyboard and always having to open twist and close to use in tablet for as well to protect the screen. I miss my T615

Um, why close it if it's that much of a hassle? Keep it open! For your information, you cannot 'close' a T615C, either ;)

[yOyOYoo]

nmerrium, great post.

The quality on my NR really is falling apart. So much so that Im actually scared of getting an NX, after hearing rumors of the screen getting loose. I mean what is the point of using the NX as a screen protector when I have to worry about damage to the hinge and the hinge loosening.

The NR in theory is a great product but I think there are soo many problems that I have had to "put" up with just to keep the great hi-res+ screen. There is a crack near my camera (don't know how it got there but other people have posted similar cracks), my hinge is loose, it is squeaky, I have to take apart my NR every 2 months to tighten the loose screws. Its really quite a burden on me. I do use the keyboard quite a bit but I feel like it takes up so much room, especially when I am not using it, it adds unnecessary space. I really am anxious to go back to the traditional pda design. Like someone else said earlier, I really miss my T615 too =(

I love sony products and i'm sure most everyone here does as well (or else why frequent this site anyways?) There is just so much that we to put up with to keep our hi-res+ screens (NR,NX,NZ) owners.

Tell you the truth I only went for the sony n710 in the first place because of the hi res screen and I could not stand how dull the screen on my m505 was. Now palm has caught up to the sony hires screen by making a beautiful looking screen with beautiful fonts on the TT. Palm has voice recording and mp3 features as well. The only thing palm has yet to catch up (and better) sony is a hi-res+ screen. If they can do that...oh man I will be tempted.

The TT is nice, i'm thinking of switching to it still. Its just that the 144mhz sounds kinda weak compared to the 200mhz sony has to offer. And that rumored Tungsten C is right around the corner... I hate playing the waiting game...

and i'd hate to leave this site as there doesn't seem to be a palm forum as indepth as this one....

[dkostas]

Any thoughts on what the Tungsten C might be like? From what I've heard, it might give the NX a good run for its money (considering it's price is projected to be $100.00 less than the NX).

[St. Magnum]

I don't listen to music too much. I've put a few MP3s on the Sony, and I can hardly hear the music unless I put the speaker up to my ear. The earbud that come with the Sony are okay. I like the little inline remote control for play/pause/ff/rew.

I haven't tried any MP3s on the Tungsten yet, but other users claim that the audio is louder, better. However, I was playing Bejeweled for OS5 the other night, and my wife complained about the noise from three rooms away. I turned the volume all the way down, but she could still hear it. I finally had to mute it in order to keep the peace.

The keyboard on the Sony NX70 is a waste of space, as far as I am concerned. Use the pop-up keyboard in the virtual grafitti area instead. The buttons are hard to press. My fingers got sore the first time I tried to write a document with it. Some common letters/characters require too many key strokes. I haven't used the keyboard since.

I'll probably keep my Tungsten T, until/unless Sony comes out with something better. The size is nice but the quality is merely satisfactory.

-- Frank

[Importluva]

Well, I've had the NX and the NR and haven't been happier with a PDA. I used to use them for ~4 months and then would just stop using them-b/c of the fact that I didn't really need to use them. However, with the NR/NX, I can type out notes in class, take pics, listen to MP3's, watch videos, and a whole bunch more. Now it has become essential to me, without programs like bugme and the PIM functions, I think that I'd be lost. The hinge does make me nervous (still after 8 months) but I think it is very well built-my NR lasted, just got a lil creaky (nothing good ol' WD40 couldn't fix). All in all, I am very happy with my unit.

[yOyOYoo]

How is the audio output on the NX? Can I watch movies or play mp3s on it without the headphones?

My roommate's Tungsten can play mp3s and movies with LOUD sound through the speaker, no headphones necessary.

I know that the speaker on my NR is weak (for kinoma and mp3s) and was wondering if the one on the NX is any stronger? THat would be a pretty big deciding difference if the NX had a good speaker. Its kinda annoying to have to put on the headphones to listen to mp3s or watch a movie in my opinion.

[W202 028]

If you wanna listen to music and watch movies on a NX70, u would need to put the earphones on.... the speaker is seriously horrific, the only use I have for the speaker is for the alarm but that I also find rather weak (I am a deep sleeper)...

Referring back to the comparison, I think it seriously depends on what you use the device for. For the T|T, I think it is a more professional device: its smaller, its rock solid and its pocketable. As for the NX, there is a reason why they call it a Personal ENTERTAINMENT Organizer (and not a PDA), its for those who do listen to music more, those who likes multimedia.

I bought the NX because I was also in the market for an MP3 player and a picture viewer at first. I am into photography, and I recently upgraded to a Sony S85, so me picking the NX is truly circumstantial. I woulda picked the T|T if I didn't buy the Sony digicam. I also liked the way the NX looks but I find the keyboard and the hard keys uesless...

[Clietivity]

I am a VX user as well. I am using it with a wallet case. I bought a NX about 2 months ago. The NX is a great PDA, no question about it. My work requires me to use a camera so that's the reason why I picked the NX not the TT. The only 2 complaints I have is the SIZE of NX (I am still amaze at how people cope with NZ90 size!) and it only got a pathetic 11MB usable RAM...

My advise on how to chose between the two devices is: Make up your mind on what do you need your new PDA for.

I am carrying my VX as a "everyday" PDA and my NX as a "Working / fun" PDA. I always carry my VX with me, even if I already brought my NX along but not vice versa. I don't know why. I think it is because my VX is so slim that I already conside it as a part of my wallet. TT is too thick for my taste but it is still a very attractive PDA due to its size. My next PDA to get, surprisingly is not the TG50, not TT, not TC (tungsten C), definitely not NZ90 but a "outdated" M515 thanks to its slim form factor and it will be a great replacement of my aging "wallet consolidated" VX...

[mashoutposse]

You get both quantity and quality with the NX70V.

The NX70V's screen is 50% larger than the Tungsten's. This means more addresses, contacts, etc. viewable onscreen. It also means more of your documents and spreadsheets can be seen at once. On the entertainment side of things, it means bigger, easier to view, widescreen movies and pictures. This should be your #1 reason for choosing the NX.

The body of the NX is almost all magnesium; it is excellently constructed. It is lightweight and attractive. The clamshell design also allows for a built-in keybaord -- handy if you find yourself entering medium-length text from time to time. With WiFi, I use it extensively for email and messageboard posting. In addition, the clamshell design provides other benefits, such as screen protection and an easy way to prop up the screen laptop-style.

The mp3 player capability on the NX70V is second to none. It is the only player that offers true Bass Boost. In addition, it's the only player that allows you to transfer mp3s from your desktop to your PDA from within the program (press 'Transfer...' while the PDA is on the cradle, and your CLIE w/ Memory Stick appears as a hard drive on your PC). Also, the CLIE comes with an inline mp3 remote that allows you to control all mp3 functions without taking the PDA out of your pocket. The speaker is not loud enough to use to play mp3s, but I can't think of why one would want to do that, anyway. There is no PDA on the market with a speaker that will do music justice, regardless of maximum volume.

If you are planning on taking your PDA wireless, you will find the NX's keyboard very handy. Writing emails or messageboard posts with graffiti alone is highly unrealistic. Imagine trying to have a chat via AOL Instant Messenger with Graffiti. Forget it.

And, of course, it has a built in camera, which definitely comes in handy at times. Just think about how convenient and empowering it is to have the ability to capture pictures and video whenever you have your PDA with you. Another nice feature: You can use the voice recorder in 'stealth-mode.' Start the voice recorder app, turn off the PDA, close it up, then hit the hardware Capture button at the side of the PDA -- you can now use the PDA like a conventional tape recorder; the voice clips will be automatically time stamped and filed in chronological order.

The NX70V is the best PalmOS PDA that money can buy (excluding the $800 NZ90 ;)).

[n2ifp]

I could care less about the Tungsten, I don't even know why this thread even exists...

[yOyOYoo]

http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/PromotionalBundle.asp?Bundle_Id=498344

Tungsten T sale at Staples for $394
plus a free copy of Monopoly and Scrabble
plus a mail in rebate for a free VEO digital camera attachment.

NOw this is a HOT deal. Plus add any various $30 off $200 codes and you have a sweeter deal...sooo tempting now that it includes the camera...

Can I wait til sony comes out with a pda that has a better speaker? man...

[mowog]

This thread exists because Palm has come along way and I am considering buying it to replace my NR70v.

I switched to a Clie from a palm device possibly for the wrong reasons. A camera that I do not really use, a keyboard that I choose not to use coz of where it is placed, the hard buttons not really accessable, the 16mb which Palm and others have caught up with. The only area og the NR that I still like and would possibly upgrade to the NX over a TT for is the Hirez+.

Support is out the window when it comes to Sony. I can't even write the software for the extra features my Clie has coz Sony wont let me. I can't get the hardware devices for the Clie I want or when I can there are V.expensive and not that well supported.

Is the NX so much better that the TT? My NR70v is falling apart after 7 months of ownership. My 'old' Palm Vx is still going strong even in my wifes hands........

Will the NX fall apart? Will there ever be the drivers for the CF port to allow me to use the wide range of CF devices available? Will the Bluetooth card come down in price(sub £100) to be affordable?

[yOyOYoo]

I'm in your boat mowog, my NR is falling apart too! I take it apart every few months to tighten the screws, I just bought some lubricant for the squeaky hinge, but I had this constant maintenence on a pda that should be built to last.

Well if you do go for the tungsten, be sure to get it at staples, see previous post! =)

[n2ifp]

That's fine guys, but only you can decide what you want. The point was the two PDA's are basically in different catagories. To me, it's like comparing a luxary car to an ecomomic one. Both do the same job, but one does it with more style, IMHO of course:D!

[mowog]

I'm UK based so I don't think the rebate counts. I can get a TT for approx £299 and possibly alittle cheaper if I looked around.

I would hate the idea and indeed cringe at the idea of taking the Clie apart. This should not need to be done.

I am looking forward to see what the Tungstun C is about. It may have some of the Clie's features. If it includes the hirez+ then I think the Palm device is for me.

Don't get me wrong I enjoy the ownership of the Clie and when I am bored the toys the NR has does help, and the fact that forums like this exist we keep me using my Clie, but support from Sony would be nice and this forum does highlight most days the problems people have with both Sony and thier Clies.......

[mowog]

Are you saying that the TT has more style that the Clie?

Because the small footprint, 5 way directional pad and sliding cover found on the TT is quite cool. Adding the fact that the Bluetooth is buitin and leaves the memory expansion available for me to use at the same time, using email and saving my excel attachments directly to SD and still having some battery to play aeroplayer.........That's style.

[mashoutposse]

You can get a Bluetooth Memory Stick for about 85 Pounds:

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=PEGA-MSB1

Style to me is:

-Watching movies in 320x480 widescreen with Sony's new built-in OS5 MPEG-4 player
-Listening to mp3s without taking the PDA out of my pocket using the bundled remote
-Browsing the web via WiFi @ 320x480
-Using the built-in keyboard to punch out emails, messageboard posts, and AOL Instant Messenger conversations
-Taking pictures and video (far too many uses to list here)
-Using the Jog Dial for comfortable one-handed reading
-Having 50% more screen real estate
-Having the fastest processor
-Downloading files directly from websites like PalmGear, then unzipping the files on my CLIE and installing the .prcs -- all without touching a PC
-Playing games with the absolutely stellar Game Controller accessory
-The clamshell design, which is not only attractive, but functional

http://www.pdabuzz.com/images/clie_prototype_01.jpg

http://www.pdabuzz.com/images/clie_prototype_02.jpg

http://www.pspilot.de/pppnr70/nr70_13.jpg

That's style.

[mowog]

Nicely put.......
and thanks for the link to the bluetooth memorystick.

[mashoutposse]

Thanks, and no problem! :)

[khyasad]

mowog, when you say 'NR70v is falling apart after 7 months of ownership', how do you mean ?

[Rick 098]

By buying sony you get quality,and a rugged meatal case!

[Rick 098]

About volume, the NX is LOUD!!

[mowog]

Khyasad........The hinge, where it joins the lower part 'wiggles' 360 degs. When you close it, it does not close correctly and a further push at the top of the unit closes it properly. With the unit open and I am using the keyboard the screen does not hold firm but wobbles about.

I also found that the corners have no 'paint' on them and look worn. In fact the whole unit looks worn. My Palm Vx is several years old and still looks as fresh as when I bought it.

Both are kept in leather cases and well looked after, but the clie looks older by far.......

[yOyOYoo]

sony support sucks thats why this clie source was created. Everyone here helps each other for the greater good of the entire clie community

you'll be hard pressed to find a palm forum this in depth dealing with palm problems... they have great customer service!

[Rick 098]

I dont know why people complain about the NX'es sise. A ppc user said he wishes his ppc was as small

[blueflame]

my question is why cant someone make a 320x480 screen with a small camera atop then, have the hard buttons be like the TT where it slides over the graffti area, saving space, but having all the functionability, if they dont want the hard buttons, they can have a mini keyboard in stread, what do you guys think

[nx70]

Well I prefer the NX- that's why I bought it. If you are asking which one, most of the people will tell you to buy a Clie. This is a Clie Forum anyway!!
I came to the same point to decide which one it should be. I was owning formerly a Handspring Visor deluxe:
8MB--16MHz DragonBall Processors and B/green display.
The decision was very hard, for the TT is about 200€( € = $) cheaper, had Bluetooth, was smaller, lighter and had less MHz power.
So I chose the NX. I am glad not to take the NR for its casing is pureplastic and it looks a bit cheap(sorry guys!) The NX in coparison is stable and tough built. Real Magnesium casing and a bit bulky. No BT and so on.
BUT: The HiRes+ comes in handy for:
- photos
- videos
- spreadsheets
- docs
- PIM(contacts,..)
The Keyboard doesn't take up much room, for the whole technique in the Clie needs the space anyway!! it is just a plus.
The display is also WITHOUT backlight readable(not as good as my old Handspring, but good).
You will need a lot of RAM for multimedia(not MP3's) programs and databases so count in a expensive MS against a cheap SD or MMC card. But hey you are carrying a PDa anyway so why don't use the in built cam? Make some snapshots or a video film(up to 60min).
The TT is small and has more processor power for there are TWO processors which support the TT the normal 145MHZ TI and a second one which adds up so it is superior(ever wondered why the Kinoma test was better on the TT??)
Palm will support first their own devices(TT is capable of OS6, I hope my NX does this, too!). But the Palm looks not as a rock to me. The slider is faded fast(users were telling me, but not on every TT strange.)
So my conclusion is:
Need BT, small size and want to spare some money? Go for the TT.
Wanna have a camera, bigger screen(this IS important), a multimedia capable office machine, don't need BT? Take the NX but beware of the NR!

[sstrasser86]

I was in your same position and i decied to get a NX b/c of all the extra features it offered and everything i would use..

[nx70]

Originally posted by blueflame
my question is why cant someone make a 320x480 screen with a small camera atop then, have the hard buttons be like the TT where it slides over the graffti area, saving space, but having all the functionability, if they dont want the hard buttons, they can have a mini keyboard in stread, what do you guys think

Blueflame there is a new Clie out which has the Hardbuttons atop on the black small platic plate now. This is cool- unfortunately I forgot the type.
My NX was to jealous so i had to delete the bookmark. lol

[khyasad]

Thanks mowog for letting me know. Something for me to watch out for ...

[sstrasser86]

are you talkin about the TG?

[yOyOYoo]

I think he's talking about the NZ, because he said "atop on the black plastic plate"

unless there is a newer one which has inset buttons on the black panel where the screen is. That would be so cool.

[Rick 098]

Originally posted by St. Magnum
I don't listen to music too much. I've put a few MP3s on the Sony, and I can hardly hear the music unless I put the speaker up to my ear. The earbud that come with the Sony are okay. I like the little inline remote control for play/pause/ff/rew.

I haven't tried any MP3s on the Tungsten yet, but other users claim that the audio is louder, better. However, I was playing Bejeweled for OS5 the other night, and my wife complained about the noise from three rooms away. I turned the volume all the way down, but she could still hear it. I finally had to mute it in order to keep the peace.

The keyboard on the Sony NX70 is a waste of space, as far as I am concerned. Use the pop-up keyboard in the virtual grafitti area instead. The buttons are hard to press. My fingers got sore the first time I tried to write a document with it. Some common letters/characters require too many key strokes. I haven't used the keyboard since.



I'll probably keep my Tungsten T, until/unless Sony comes out with something better. The size is nice but the quality is merely satisfactory.

-- Frank

[Rick 098]

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On the one above it didnt work right. what i tried to say was u dont have to use included headphones.

[n2ifp]

I thought we got rid of this thread... :D!