CF Driver for NX and NZ series devices update

[mclaughlinc]

As promised I wanted to update everybody on our progress. We feel we have found the answers we need to complete this project. However due to projects we have already committed too we will not be starting for several weeks.

I would look for a beta around April 1st and NO this is not a April fools day joke. We have both the NX-70 and the NZ-90 devices we can test with here. We will be looking for beta testers as the time for that grows near. Beta testers will receive a driver at NO charge for helping us test. Also they will be required to submit feedback on forums like this one. We are doing this because we are not going to be releasing a trial version.

We have a few ideas about pricing but I'm not going to announce them yet. There are some some going on that may be clear later.

I will also tell you that the driver will have a license code to unlock it. It will be keyed to the device that you register. This is to answer the posts that where made about sharing our work instead of paying for it.

I will try to answer any questions that I can posted here.

[mashoutposse]

Start immediately. This will be way, and I mean WAY more lucrative than any Breakout-clone or whatever you guys got going on over there :D

[adh]

This is good news. I would love to help you beta test the drviers. I have a NX70v.

A.D. Hardman

[ballistic]

I guess I'll be the first to volunteer for beta testing ;) .
You can PM me if and when the time for that approaches.

Either way, I'll be keeping my eyes out for more info on this development.

[mashoutposse]

I have more posts than that other guy; pick me :D

[MikeLang]

Please sign me up for beta testing too. I have a NX-60 and 64MB and 256 MB CF cards.

[ballistic]

Originally posted by mashoutposse
I have more posts than that other guy; pick me :D

:eek:

[(oyo)]

Sign me up too, I have NX70 and 256MB CF.

[adh]

So is this turning into a size thing now? Well I have 32, 64, 256, and 512mb cf cards.

A.D. Hardman

[hansschmucker]

Count me in.

Hans Schmucker
Mannheim, Germany
(Send an E-Mail or Private Message for Details. I don't want to publish it here)

Clié NX 70V with PalmOS 5.0
Some Experience with
HTML, Basic, C++, PHP, Network Administration under NT and Linux, System maintenance (desktop), a bit of x86 assembler, video editing, compositing, 2d and 3d artwork, as well as some random work.

[winCEman]

Originally posted by adh
So is this turning into a size thing now? Well I have 32, 64, 256, and 512mb cf cards.

A.D. Hardman

I've got a sandisk 1gb cf card and a ton of other brand names.

[mclaughlinc]

It is way to earlier to start looking for beta testers but thanks

[aaronchow]

Why don't you add a link to your company and your position in the signature field? It helps you to advertise your company a lot.

[mashoutposse]

Originally posted by ballistic


:eek:

Well, it's true :D ;)

[Glacialeye]

If it could help, I have a NX-70 and a lot of CF cards to test.
Feel free to PM me or to drop me an email whenever you want.

[thewildlifepark]

I have an NX70V and CF cards, and of course as everyone is saying I would also like to be picked to test any drivers that may be coming out..

[jmg_NX21]

I TOO would LOVE to help beta test... CF memory card is waiting to be used again...

*Would you need beta testers for peripherals? Modems, Bluetoothm etc...

Nice...

[dmale7]

Please consider me as well for beta testing...my nx70v is at your disposal. Feel free to email or PM me at your leisure.

John Stratton

[Token User]

Originally posted by adh
So is this turning into a size thing now? Well I have 32, 64, 256, and 512mb cf cards.

A.D. Hardman OK, I'll put my hand up too. 128MB CF Memory, and 1GB IBM Microdrive :P. NX70V will be here in two days time.

AND ... as a developer, I am good at filling in bug reports, and providing feedback on how to reproduce errors.

[reggae]

size AND time. i own an nx70v AND a microdrive NOW. the problem is that i will NOT test until i'm assured you're working from a documented API.

[pelaca]

If you need another beta tester, I put my machine at your service...

[idoc58]

If a Canadian tester is required let me know, I have various cf lan cards both wired and wireless, memory all sizes, microdrive 340mg and cf modems. I use an NX70V.

Joe
idoc58@mac.com

[OcellNuri]

Ok.. I would love to beta-test, but that's not the reason for my post.


Are you focusing on straight memory cards in your driver? Have you unlocked the code needed to drive things like a bluetooth card as well? Personally, my main interests are memory and bluetooth, in that order. I know that you would probly have to develop drivers for each individual card, but have you gotten deep enough into the hardware to be able to do this? I can't wait.

[nike33]

I am a better beta tester!

[CosmicBlend]

Would these CF drivers only be for CF memory? by any chance a driver for lets say a CF bluetooth card?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by ballistic


:eek:

I got more than the both of you combined:p:p:p!

 

Seriously, I'll pass and be a nice guy so you two can fight it out:D!

[thesmith]

Have NX70 and lots of cf cards and would love to help and still willing to pay for final driver.....Pelaca my wife has 3 slots my stick should work in but the rear slot is not working with my current driver!! :rolleyes: :D :D :D :eek:

[idoc58]

I'm the Canadian above who appeared as guest. I am registered but forgot to log on. Some are sensitive......

Joe

[mclaughlinc]

The driver we are working on is for CF memory only. I don't see a big enough market for Bluetooth cards or anything else. Frankly, the money this is going to cost me to do this is more than I am going to get back out of it I believe. But I willing to take a chance. At this point we have not looked at Microdrives. We may look at these devices as it gets closer.

What I heard from everybody who responded to my first thread was CF memory is what is really needed.

As for the time it is going to take us. We have 4 other products we are developing for release by mid this year so you see we are really business. I hope we can move the development time table up but that's just not realistic. It always seems to take longer than expected to develop software.

[n2ifp]

At this rate, mclaughlinc is not going to make much money. I think the fairest way is to make the original contributors of the contest, the beta testers. That is if anyone kept a record.

BTW, I was NOT one of them, it was over before I got around to it.

[OcellNuri]

I'd pay for it even if I was a beta tester. This isn't your every-day app here. This is a big deal.

[mclaughlinc]

Well, let's just wait and see. I have a few things up my sleeves.

HeHe!

[Pen-Pen]

If you want another Beta-tester, you could take me, I have an 256Mb CF card, I have an US Nx70v, but a friend of mine have an European one

I'm a C/C++ developer, and I try to finish the programation of Freeciv4palmos (but it's really hard because I have to re write some parts of the program for my Nx) so I can send you feedbacks and Errors.

Please mail me or send me a PM

[blueflame]

I would love to beta test, i test many apps for the PC, this would be my first palm test

[mashoutposse]

I didn't want to be the first to bring it up, but yes, I too would be perfectly willing to pay to beta test.

[reggae]

wow... for all of you that would PAY for betas, I have a bridge for sale if anyone is interested.

[OcellNuri]

I think I was the only one who said I would still pay for the app if I was a beta tester. I never said I would pay for the beta though. What I mean is, even if I helped beta test the app, I would still pay for it when it came public. I would purchase the final release, not the incomplete beta. CF Memory in my NX is worth much more to me than any single game or small app that I normally beta test.

[Disgruntled]

this makes me happier than glazed ham! Oh Joy!!

[Pen-Pen]

Like OcellNuri, I would pay for the final release even if I become a beta tester.

I'm waiting for this driver since a lot of time, and I want to reward the first one who foward a quite correct driver.

[mashoutposse]

I paid to 'beta test' Power48, the excellent HP graphic calculator emulator. I don't mind supporting a developer if he's making something I really want -- even if it's incomplete.

[reggae]

ok... the bridge is only for sale to mashout

;-)

[OcellNuri]

I just realized something... and I feel stupid for not thinking of it earlier. If we only get CFMemory drivers, I can get the BluetoothMS unit. That lets me have more storage with CF without having to go with MSPro anyways. If we can get VFS working with the CF card without a hitch, then I will be set!

[AlphaSwift]

Originally posted by mclaughlinc
The driver we are working on is for CF memory only. ...<snip>....

What I heard from everybody who responded to my first thread was CF memory is what is really needed.



"What I heard is....."

Bleh. You weren't listening. Do a universal driver.

[OcellNuri]

Alpha... I think we are fortunate that he is close to anything. I'm sure tapping into hardware without an API is no easy task.

[Massman82]

I sent you a PM a while back, did you receive it???

Anyway, I would be more than happy to help you beta-test...I have beta-tested a lot before and have a NX60 with a 256 + 16mb CF card!

Good luck!

[ccelada]

Count me in for beta testing...My NX arrives on friday, and i would be your only beta tester in Latin America!!!!.. (is that good?)... anyway, i'm still willing to pay for it, as i posted before.

[bij]

heck, i wanna be a beta tester too :)

i love my nx70v, and i cant wait until its compatible with my 500 mb CF card!

[GoldenTiger]

I would like to volunteer to beta test.

[nxx]

Please count my nx in a beta tester :)

[xlr8]

I think bumping the driver back is a big mistake. The next NX is rumoured to come out in april which means people who upgrade to the latest will most likely upgrade to it. If it doesnt have a CF slot that could be a real problem. I just think the earlier it is release the more people will buy and pay greater for it. I'm not saying to hault other projects but just split some resources to the drivers.

[MerlinW]

Well; I am just a average user, and if you like, you can put me down for beta testing.

Merlin, N6OFY

[evaoni]

I'm up for beta testing. I have one of those Pretec CompactTRIOs that will allow me to use the CF Slot for another Memory stick, MultiMedia Card, or Secure Disk.

[GoldenTiger]

Originally posted by mclaughlinc
The driver we are working on is for CF memory only. I don't see a big enough market for Bluetooth cards or anything else. Frankly, the money this is going to cost me to do this is more than I am going to get back out of it I believe. But I willing to take a chance. At this point we have not looked at Microdrives. We may look at these devices as it gets closer.

What I heard from everybody who responded to my first thread was CF memory is what is really needed.

As for the time it is going to take us. We have 4 other products we are developing for release by mid this year so you see we are really business. I hope we can move the development time table up but that's just not realistic. It always seems to take longer than expected to develop software.

&nbsp;

Memory is definitely what I most desired.

[oneeyesquare]

I refuse to be beta tester with my new NZ......




;)

[birick]

Originally posted by oneeyesquare
I refuse to be beta tester with my new NZ......




;)

Hmmm some of that reverse psychology stuff :D

[ejanssen]

Let's see ... nearly everyone wants to be a Beta tester. I'll simply wait until you are done with it and I will pay full purchace price. How many more notese can we have in this thread simply saying, "Pick me! Pick me!" The developer upstream said he isn't looking for a list right now, but it will happen. Calm down! Yes we are excited for this driver to be written, now, let's not bash the developer or flood him with requests!

[dmale7]

Originally posted by ejanssen
Let's see ... nearly everyone wants to be a Beta tester. I'll simply wait until you are done with it and I will pay full purchace price. How many more notese can we have in this thread simply saying, "Pick me! Pick me!" The developer upstream said he isn't looking for a list right now, but it will happen. Calm down! Yes we are excited for this driver to be written, now, let's not bash the developer or flood him with requests!


KILLJOY :p

[Shrink]

Originally posted by ejanssen
Let's see ... nearly everyone wants to be a Beta tester. I'll simply wait until you are done with it and I will pay full purchace price. How many more notese can we have in this thread simply saying, "Pick me! Pick me!" The developer upstream said he isn't looking for a list right now, but it will happen. Calm down! Yes we are excited for this driver to be written, now, let's not bash the developer or flood him with requests!
YIKES! Common sense? BAN HIM!
:D
alan

[aussie_nx70v]

before we all jump for joy lets wait and see......

what will big brother do????

[nlode]

I want to participate too. I have an NX and a 128Mb CF card.

[Alistar]

Originally posted by evaoni
I'm up for beta testing. I have one of those Pretec CompactTRIOs that will allow me to use the CF Slot for another Memory stick, MultiMedia Card, or Secure Disk.

Did you every try using that with a memory stick in your CF slot?

[ewcganz]

Pls put me on the list

[pcolin]

Originally posted by mclaughlinc
We will be looking for beta testers as the time for that grows near. Beta testers will receive a driver at NO charge for helping us test. Also they will be required to submit feedback on forums like this one. We are doing this because we are not going to be releasing a trial version.

Hi there,

Count me in as a beta tester if it is OK with you. I am a Frenchie, living in Japan, owner of a Japanese NX70V(+Wifi) on which are installed Japanese, English and French softwares ! Also there are some AirH CF card that are now available in Japan and I plan to get one. The CF driver should not interfere with those AirH cards... If the driver works on my device then, it shall work worldwide...;)

[Sieve]

I have to add 3 comments...

1) I wonder how many new members have registered just to say "me too!".

2) It might be simpler to ask (when the time does come) who does NOT want to beta test.

3) Add a link to your website while this CF Driver thing is still boiling (aka pre-register for personal notification or something).

[evaoni]

Originally posted by Alistar


Did you every try using that with a memory stick in your CF slot?

yeah, PalmOS sees something in the slot when I put the memory stick in there. Card Info sees something, but can't read it. McFile does the same; it sees something, but it says to take it off write protect.

[ometofu]

Can't wait to test....

[cwai02]

I just think the memory beta driver will be shared everywhere even though you don't sign up for a beta.

[oyakov]

Originally posted by cwai02
I just think the memory beta driver will be shared everywhere even though you don't sign up for a beta.
Not if it'll be tied to the device Flash ID :)

[CelticBlue]

I wish you success on this but I'm not interested in a memory only CF driver. I'll happily pay for a WiFi/LAN CF driver.

Good luck with your project.

[reggae]

devil's advocate:

wow. so many green newbies willing to test and they know nothing of the product yet or the producers. as of yet, i still know nothing of the process being used to develop. did they somehow get sony to release the API to them or is this a hack?

what kind of support will be available for a fried cf card or fried cf slot? what happens if i can't use my wifi anymore after using this driver? what if my nx becomes unusable?

i can't believe so many people are willing to take a risk like that with blind fait in the absolute unknown.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by reggae
devil's advocate:

wow. so many green newbies willing to test and they know nothing of the product yet or the producers. as of yet, i still know nothing of the process being used to develop. did they somehow get sony to release the API to them or is this a hack?

what kind of support will be available for a fried cf card or fried cf slot? what happens if i can't use my wifi anymore after using this driver? what if my nx becomes unusable?

i can't believe so many people are willing to take a risk like that with blind fait in the absolute unknown.

I thought he said that he wasn't even ready for Beta Testers yet? To be fair Mcglaughlinc has been working on this for the past several months, even&nbsp;before ClieSource had the January meltdown.

[NR70V-o-holic]

I don´t really believe this devoloper get the drivers "baken",
but who knows. I also don´t want to "Betatest" but will be
among the first to buy the running and stable driver (whenever
this might happen) !?!

Noh

[mux1]

Originally posted by mclaughlinc
It is way to earlier to start looking for beta testers but thanks
All the "pick me!! pick me!!" folks PLEASE pay attention to the above quote. This thread was started by mclaughlinc as an update to their status and to answer questions! :-)

Everyone would LOVE to participate in this...heck, I would even BUY a CF card just to do the beta testing.. but let's wait and see how they handle the signup process....this forum isn't it.

mclaughlinc: I think a link on your website would be useful, perhaps just stating "It is way to earlier to start looking for beta testers but thanks"

[alain]

I am not specialist in informatique , only a user
If you are interrested I wil can to test your beta driver
I have a sony clié NX70V

sincerely yours
Alain

[reggae]

I think I am being fair Larry. I'm not questioning mclaughlinc, I'm questioning a lot of the people that want to be beta testers and have NO IDEA what testing a DRIVER means.

It means if you have a Microdrive (which has firmware) it's possible that that firmware could be accidentally flashed and/or rendered unusable.

This isn't testing solitaire or datebook, it's testing LOW LEVEL calls meaning talking DIRECTLY to hardware.

I guess the question that I HAVEN'T made clear to mclaughlinc is...

"Are you working from a Sony documented API?"

[iebnn]

I don't think they're working from sony documented APIs if they've been working on this for over a few months...... :)

[nextyoyoma]

I dunno, iebnn...even with the sony API, could take a while to get through whatever protection sony has put on the existing drivers (which is evidently pretty immense since as of yet noone has found a way to get past it).

[Unregistered]

To be honest, I highly doubt that he's working on anything. Sounds like an individual thirsty for attention, and that's it. The first company to release a working CF driver is going to make a killing; you know it, I know it. So why doesn't mclaughlinc know it? Why put this off for precious weeks when you're the only person out there to actually confirm that you can, in fact, complete this project? And why has he thus far completely ignored any questions or comments regarding his company and its website?

HMMMMMMMMMMM.

[kdn102]

this is turning out to be one hilarious post! Thanks for all of the laughs!

[nextyoyoma]

well, it's not my problem if he's not actually developing it...I'm just not going to get my hopes up. If it does come out, I'll be happy....yup.

[ClieNut]

I was at the local CompUSA and the guy there said that he has seen people running CF cards on their NX70's. Actually am IBM 1GB CF card. He said the software does exist out there but it voids your Sony warranty. Let's find out more.

[EZCLIE]

I think if someone out there had a driver to run CF cards it would have shown up here. There are a lot of well informed CLIE users on this forum that surf many other CLIE related websites CLIE planet etc.. My guess is that someone from this board would have found it and posted info about it. But it would be nice to have a working driver to use CF memory any other CF cards.

ED

[jovy]

Though I may not be a perfect beta tester. I'll be glad to pay for the released version.

The better is to have a free subscribtion mailing list. So that everyone interested can know about the most updated status.

Thanks for whatever efforts you guys are doing.

[nextyoyoma]

I agree with EZCLIE, I think if these programs exist we would know about them already...he probably saw them using wi-fi cards.

[Unregistered]

Odd to realize that someone on the NX development team probably has a prototype with a fully working slot. I would pay up to a grand if it ever hit eBay.

[birick]

For a grand you can get a 1GB MS and $120 change!

[djblois]

Will you be making CF drivers for memory only or other devices such as GPS and Analog modem as well???

[MythoFactory]

I've a Japanese NX70V, ready to test...

[Frederic_France]

Hello, I have a NX70V French language
I am redy to test
Frederic.Sillion@noos.fr

[contempt]

I think the thing to keep in mind is timeframe. If this could somehow come out BEFORE sony releases the mspro, then it will surely hurt sony's sales. I know all of us would rather pay x amount for the driver and a cheap cf card than the expensive mspro. However, if it does come out after the mspro, some of us early adopters might have already splurged on the mspro.

I'm saying this honestly since my psychology and gadget spending habits are about what's new and getting it first (and i know some of you think this way too).

[contempt]

mclaughlinc, have you thought of contacting CF Card manufacturers and attempted any type of agreement or partnerships in the line of distribution of their cards with your driver as a bundle? i know some of us don't have cf cards and wouldn't mind purchasing a bundle, if it's at a discount. Would definitely be great for any CF Card manufacturer to become tied to this product and to the PalmOS.

Just a thought to get more money for you guys as well as have some further motivations to get this done faster.

Good luck in your development. We're all rooting for you.

[Haydarium]

Sign me up too, I have NX70V (European Model: Germany) and 16MB, 32MB and 128MB CF.

[Dorsey]

I will be glad to be a beta tester. I have a NX70V and CF Cards plus use about 20 different apps.

[ikstus]

Please sign me up for beta testing too.
I have a NX-70 and 128MB(SanDisk) and
I'd like to test for CF Wireless LAN card.

[OcellNuri]

Seriously everyone, he isn't ready for beta testers. He just wanted to give everyone a heads up that there is someone working on this.

[jmg_NX21]

He did say that the COMPANY may not make much $$ from this.

I applaud THEM for looking into this and fulfilling a NEED.

MANY of us have requested to beta test... and if we are accepted, WHO WILL BE LEFT to pay for the product?

I was just wondering *and I think it was mentioned*

BETA testers submit a donation for receiving the CF drive? Many seem to be willing to pay for it anyway.

OK I could be over stepping BOUNDARIES here and making ALOT of assumptions but I've been convinced to do so if a CF driver is made available & I could beta test the driver.

Not everyone has to and the amount can vary.

*was scared about the possibilities BETA testing drivers could do @_@*

[nextyoyoma]

I, for one, will NOT be beta testing...that is, if this driver is actually written, which I am sorta begining to doubt. I'm not about to risk my clie. I'll just wait, and if nothing comes out, then nothing comes out; I'm not about to pay $800 for a gig.

[clieZilla2]

I'm in for beta test...

[n2ifp]

I just don't understand all the negativity??? Give the guy a chance, pretty please...

[VietPlaya]

i would like to help beta test...i've got a nx70v as for flash card i can get anything...i've beta tested before with the handspring when the flashreader was first made...i was one of the first few beta testers...so yeah... :D

[UZI4U182]

We are doing this because we are not going to be releasing a trial version.


That's never good.

[mrgq9898]

ID LOVE TO DO BETA TESTING FOR YOU...I HAVE AN NX70 AND I NEEEEEEEEEEED MORE STORAGE SPACE AND CHEAPER MEMORY AND STORAGE SPACE WHILE IM USIING MY BLUETOOTH MEMORY STICK AND.....

[MythoFactory]

...and you need to find the caps-lock key on your keyboard

[NR70V-o-holic]

Originally posted by MythoFactory
...and you need to find the caps-lock key on your keyboard

Well said :D

Noh

[khyasad]

well said user 'contempt' ... Despite the many differing opinions, everyone is entitled to their opinion and many of us are rooting for Corey.

Politics and legalities aside, I wish you the very best of luck in successfully developing and releasing a CF driver, foremostly for CF storage cards, but perhaps also a generic driver to allows us to take advantage of other CF peripherals ...

Okay, the latter is a pipedream, so back to the original point ... Best of luck for the CF storage driver ...

[lightninja]

Originally posted by cwai02
Please stop those "pick me" "pick me" reply...meaningless

I agree 100%! I've wasted 5 minutes reading useless posts when we could have kept this thread useful and down to 2 pages instead of 6+.

The man said they arent looking for beta testers now. When they are, I am sure he will create a thread titled, "beta testers sign up here!".

On a side note, if you think creating these drivers isn't going to be profitable, then why don't you drive up the price enough to make it profitable. I mean 20 bucks or 50 bucks, everyone here is going to pay for it. I mean I'd rather pay less, but what if you come across problems during development? Will you guys give up on the project just because it's not profitable enough? I'd rather you guys give it your 100% knowing that you will make a decent profit off of this project.

[maddie]

I've Got the NX60, very interested in your beta testing. I do not care if the driver is free or not, All I want is a functional driver.

I do not have many posts, but I do wish to be considered for the beta.

Well let me know

[mux1]

Originally posted by maddie
I've Got the NX60, very interested in your beta testing. I do not care if the driver is free or not, All I want is a functional driver.

I do not have many posts, but I do wish to be considered for the beta.

Well let me know


THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR BETA TESTERS AT THIS TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As stated in a previous post, quit turning this into a 6+ page thread, when it's not a signup sheet.

Just in, this
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

"All people posting anything in reference to beta testing will be DENIED the opportunity to do so, and will have a $100 SURCHARGE added to the cost of the driver once it is available."

READ THE THREAD before you post your childish "I wanna beta test pick me I wanna do it please please please I can beta test I am the best tester in the world please pick me!"

[lightninja]

Originally posted by mux1

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT:

"All people posting anything in reference to beta testing will be DENIED the opportunity to do so, and will have a $100 SURCHARGE added to the cost of the driver once it is available."



lol...:cool:

[evaoni]

Originally posted by ClieNut
I was at the local CompUSA and the guy there said that he has seen people running CF cards on their NX70's. Actually am IBM 1GB CF card. He said the software does exist out there but it voids your Sony warranty. Let's find out more.

CompUSA is full of idiots and a-holes. He was probably trying to look smart...

[n2ifp]

evaoni,

I agree with you!

Voiding the warranty is the one that got me, LOL!

For the record, I do NOT want to be a beta tester:D.

[bhroam]

CompUSA and Frys both hired all the out of work slimey used car salesmen to work in their computer department =]

I almost burst out laughing when I was at CompUSA... the saleman was shoveling a load of *@#@* to some unsuspecting lady.

[Token User]

Originally posted by bhroam
CompUSA and Frys both hired all the out of work slimey used car salesmen to work in their computer department

Q. What's the difference between a used car salesman and a computer salesman?
A. The used car salesman knows when he is lying.

FWIW - Not everyone at Fry's/BB/CC/etal are mindless drones. Some people work there for staff discounts. If you gotta do retail while in college, you might as well do it somewhere with other benefits. If you want mindless drones, try "Harvey Norman Computer Centre's" in Australia ...

[Centralian]

Originally posted by Token User


If you want mindless drones, try "Harvey Norman Computer Centre's" in Australia ...

I couldn't agree more!

[kstuart]

Is there any existing PalmOS PDA with more than one memory card slot ?

Does VFS have any provision for more than one memory card slot ?

I'm hoping so, because otherwise I don't think all the applications developers are going to add "dual slot support" - they are already pissed off about adding color, then VFS, then HiRes, then HiRes+, and then OS 5...

[iebnn]

kstuart: Yes, the Handera. Yes, VFS can work with just about as many memory card slots as you want (but developers have to code it right -- it is very easy to add support for multiple cards though). And I'm not pissed off about having to add color -- I like it :) And hires works pretty much on its own, except that I have to just also include hires bitmaps (no extra code for the most part)

[Zhazbot]

Originally posted by evaoni


CompUSA is full of idiots and a-holes. He was probably trying to look smart...

Maybe just unknowledgable. I was at BB and talking to a sales person about the Sony vs PPC. He did not use them and had no clue about the products. :( If you want to find out about the products at these stores, talk to the repair personel. They work with the products. For example: the TV sales guy told me he always recommends sony as the quality is good and that is what he uses; but the repair guy told me that the Sony sucks, always coming back, but the Toshibas were very good, almost no returns. BTW he did say the Clies life span is 2 to 3 years so get those 3 year warranties...good for cheap upgrades when it dies.

[denette]

Pick me. I have a NX90, NX70V(wife's), Sony Vaio RX590G

[kstuart]

For example: the TV sales guy told me he always recommends sony as the quality is good and that is what he uses; but the repair guy told me that the Sony sucks, always coming back, but the Toshibas were very good, almost no returns. I think that is "apples and oranges", ie I personally prefer the Sony TV's picture to any other, but it might also be true that it has a higher failure rate (if what the repair guy was saying is accurate over the whole population).

[Badandy]

shut up denette. read the thread. second of all, you have an NZ90 not an NX90, and good for you.

Read the thread, and you will see that you cant sign up for beta here. he will not pick you if you say something here.

[Submicron]

Please, sign all the ClieSource members up for beta testing!

[Alex7875]

Please Sign me out too.. NX70v Kingston 128 CF.. Alex7875@aol.com, thank you.

[hansschmucker]

Moderaters, now it's your turn. Lock this god damn threat. Corey will open a new one when and if he's looking for betatesters anyway. Yes I know I was the second one to ask for permission to beta-test, but that was BEFORE 1001 persons told me they they don't do public beta testing (yet). Thanks. And bye. I won't post anything on this threat anymore and hope that it will just disappear.

m.f.G. Hans

[pabbas]

Any chance that you include me as your beta tester? I own a Clie NX70V with two sandisk 128MB CFs. Also an Anycom Bluetooth CF and Targus CF Modem.

Thanks

[thetazmaniandev]

thats great! i wanna be a part of the beta testing, i'd love to help out with the testing. i work at circuit city and am willing to get any device just to test it out

[mux1]

I am the BETA MASTER. I have a PhD in BETA TESTING. I own every peripheral available on the market, and just acquired sole rights to all of the CF memory manufacturers and their patents. I am a TEAM PLAYER and WORK WELL WITH OTHERS. I have OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE in the semiconductor industry.

I enjoy working out, fine dining, and romantic evenings at home. In search of a SWF with similar interests to shut down this thread.

Thank You.

[Importluva]

What is with you people? They aren't ready for beta testers yet, and many of us have said that. Is this hard to get through your heads? Just wait until they announce "We need beta testers soon" then jump on it. Sheesh :rolleyes:

And on an unrelated note, 400 posts!!!! yay. :D

[birick]

Hmmmm...should I say it?.....naaah.

[danielsu]

Sign me up too, I have NX70 and WiFi CF.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by danielsu
Sign me up too, I have NX70 and WiFi CF.

Sign up for what? No beta testers are being taken at this time, sorry!

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Importluva
What is with you people? They aren't ready for beta testers yet, and many of us have said that. Is this hard to get through your heads? Just wait until they announce "We need beta testers soon" then jump on it. Sheesh :rolleyes:

And on an unrelated note, 400 posts!!!! yay. :D

I am in disbelief too, how many times does it have to be repeated? I am amazed how so many, not just here either, don't listen or comprehend.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[parmesian]

Originally posted by mux1
I am the BETA MASTER. I have a PhD in BETA TESTING. I own every peripheral available on the market, and just acquired sole rights to all of the CF memory manufacturers and their patents. I am a TEAM PLAYER and WORK WELL WITH OTHERS. I have OVER 30 YEARS EXPERIENCE in the semiconductor industry.

I enjoy working out, fine dining, and romantic evenings at home. In search of a SWF with similar interests to shut down this thread.

Thank You.

lol:D

it amazes me how many people get so upset when others refuse to play by their rules. this thread would be only half as long if people didn't keep telling others not to ask about being a beta tester. it's kind of like when everyone in the class starts shushing the person who is whispering to a friend. the shushing is usually much louder (and disruptive) than the whispering.

kill the thread or we may have to post again.:p

[Megadeth]

Please signme up like a beta tester i own a NX70v,
Thanks in advance!!!

[Importluva]

Please sign me up the for the SD driver that may or may not be put into the next clies. I AM ASKING FIRST SO I GET FIRST DIBS!

[nx70]

I think I haven't signed yet, did I?!
Just in case if you will ask:
I don't want to beta-test so plz cut me off the list.

[reggae]

Originally posted by thetazmaniandev
thats great! i wanna be a part of the beta testing, i'd love to help out with the testing. i work at circuit city and am willing to get any device just to test it out

this guy is the only one with a clue... NO WAY i would beta test a DRIVER built from UNDOCUMENTED code!

[Importluva]

yea, i wouldn't want to subject my lil clie to unknown code :(

[n2ifp]

Is anyone forcing you to beta test it:)?

Do you really think that will stop many, even if it is true:D?

[nextyoyoma]

lol, this is getting to be like a circus

[swan2925]

I will pay for the driver...!!

[Unregistered]

count me in too! I really want Nx70V NX60 and Nz90 can use in CF memory! I have NX70V and NZ90 and my DC use CF too! Thanks! ^_^

[angrydragon]

Count me in ! count me in! I think I can help the developer to test and give feedback! ^_^ Thanks for all developer!

[akfreas]

Wait a minute. mclaughlinc, really how close are you to developing the drivers? I mean, do you have a website or some place that you are documenting your progress? Have you cracked the API yet?

[ilkera]

ok, I am an average clie user. this is my 3rd palmOS device (NX70V) but I do not understand much about technical issues.
I would like to beta test the driver if it comes out. I have an NX70 and my wife uses a NZ90. We have only 2 CF cards (8MB and 64MB) and we can test both cards on both devices.
I would pay for the driver if I even beta test it.
The reason which makes me want to beta test is that I want the driver as soon as possible. I have many applications which use VFS, that's why I can test the driver on many apps.
I also own a CF PCMCIA adapter for my laptop and can test the CF card formatted on Clie with my laptop.

[aussie_nx70v]

waiting.....waiting....waiting.......

[quiller]

i find it amazing that people are STILL asking to be beta testers, even after a half dozen and more posts reminding them that he's not looking for testers... it's the whole post-reply-without-reading-thread syndrome... shame.

[aussie_nx70v]

Originally posted by quiller
i find it amazing that people are STILL asking to be beta testers, even after a half dozen and more posts reminding them that he's not looking for testers... it's the whole post-reply-without-reading-thread syndrome... shame.

i agree with this post. ill just wait and see if or when this driver comes out.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by quiller
i find it amazing that people are STILL asking to be beta testers, even after a half dozen and more posts reminding them that he's not looking for testers... it's the whole post-reply-without-reading-thread syndrome... shame.

I agree it's pathetic! Some can't read, if it were up to me, I would make them wait longer or dump it. Some users think the developer will get rich over it. Some show no appreciation at all. Corey has repeatedly said in&nbsp;APRIL. When he is ready for beta-testers&nbsp;he will announce it then.

READ HIS LIPS!

&nbsp;:rolleyes:

[Unregistered]

somebody should have read Sony's lips that never said the slot would be good for anything that that Wifi thing :).

[Alistar]

Originally posted by Unregistered
somebody should have read Sony's lips that never said the slot would be good for anything that that Wifi thing :).

Ahhh, its a Sony spy trying to start resentment among us and shame us into blindly following the corporate logo.

[Michael Quach]

Thank goodness for people who bring us drivers for things like CF Modems :D

[Narniahopper]

Originally posted by quiller
i find it amazing that people are STILL asking to be beta testers, even after a half dozen and more posts reminding them that he's not looking for testers... it's the whole post-reply-without-reading-thread syndrome... shame.

So you're saying there's a chance (I could be a beta tester)?

[KennethKKT]

Dear mclaughlinc,

I'd an NX-70V/H, also I'm the volunteer for beta testing. Once you have the driver please inform. Because most of the CF card hope can be uses at my CLie!

Thank a lot!

[Alistar]

Originally posted by KennethKKT
Dear mclaughlinc,

I'd an NX-70V/H, also I'm the volunteer for beta testing. Once you have the driver please inform. Because most of the CF card hope can be uses at my CLie!

Thank a lot!


Hahahaha! Hahaha!
Laughing likes there's no tomorrow. Not at you just at the entire situation, expecially if you look at the post above you.

[ilkera]

everybody is free to say or write that he/she wants to be a beta tester. why does that bother you ?
as to the date: after one week or so it will be april.
if this is not an april joke we are all waiting for the release of the drivers. but some of us just don't want to wait for the release of bugfixed drivers. WE WANT the BETA because it will come earlier.
if you don't want it , just step aside...

[Alistar]

I never said they couldn't post that they wanted to be a beta tester. I just find the situation hilarious. Here we have people who are asking to be beta testers and then we have every 2nd or 3rd post saying that they are not accepting beta testers. I find this useless bantering hilarious, just like iebnn and zork in the emulation threads.

I find them amusing insights into human nature.

[ilkera]

they don't say that they don't want beta testers. all I can see is they want beta testers after they produce the beta which is expected to be in 1-2 weeks...
it is not too early to saythat we want to be beta testers.

[mux1]

Originally posted by ilkera
everybody is free to say or write that he/she wants to be a beta tester. why does that bother you ?
as to the date: after one week or so it will be april.
if this is not an april joke we are all waiting for the release of the drivers. but some of us just don't want to wait for the release of bugfixed drivers. WE WANT the BETA because it will come earlier.
if you don't want it , just step aside...

I dont remember this forum belonging to Soft Pocket Solutions, LLC, so perhaps you can visit http://www.softpocketsolutions.com and beg for acceptance into their testing program. Soft Pocket Solutions, LLC started this thread to provide an update on their status, not to solicit people for testing.

Obviously some people are too ignorant to read the entire thread before posting such a childish response. Perhaps Soft Pocket Solutions, the software developer behind the current CF driver project would convince you?




As promised I wanted to update everybody on our progress. We feel we have found the answers we need to complete this project. However due to projects we have already committed too we will not be starting for several weeks.
...
I will try to answer any questions that I can posted here.


---


It is way to earlier to start looking for beta testers but thanks


---


We will be having another announcement soon with information on how to sign up for a mailing list to receive updates on our progress.

[ilkera]

thanks mux.
I haveproblem reading....
mux mux mux

[knowledge]

Soft Pocket Solutions, L.L.C. is pleased to announce that we are working on a project that would allow the CF slot on the Sony Clie’s NX and NZ series devices to use standard CF type memory. This is a preliminary announcement and more details will follow. Soon we will be setting up a mailing list for people who are interested in this driver to sign up and receive information on our progress. At present would are hoping to have something ready for beta testing around the Mid-April time frame. We are NOT looking for or signing up people for beta testing at this time. Once we have the mailing list ready we will announce how you can sign up for the updates. In the mean time please refrain from contacting support about this project.

[pimpdot]

everybody is free to say or write that he/she wants to be a beta tester. why does that bother you ?
Because i came to this thread looking to read about the CF Driver update and maybe some comments people have, not to hear that people (without being asked) are offering to be beta testers. Chill out you eager beavers, you'll get your CF drivers soon enough.

[n2ifp]

Huh? How come no one wants to be a beta tester?

[mux1]

Originally posted by ilkera
thanks mux.
I haveproblem reading....
mux mux mux

my pleasure

[n2ifp]

Well, I guess he is blind in one eye and he can't see out the other :)!

[silentspyguy]

I am willing to BETA test...8MB, 16MB, 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, 256MB, 1GB cards. Some of them I have multiples of from different companies. Most are from my digital cameras..as well as a printer came with an 8MB card. They should be an industry standard I dont see why they wouldn't work across companies with the same size...between the sizes however...that could be a problem. I have beta tested a few videogames before and a few PC applications, but as someone mentioned before this would also be my first beta test on a handheld. PM me or e-mail me. oh yeah...willing to pay for the final release too! I am looking forward to seeing a great product!!!

[silentspyguy]

oh yeah i have an NX70v and my newest addition!...the NZ90...its pretty but i still carry around my trusty NX

[Rick 098]

How are you a junior?

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Rick 098
How are you a junior?

Because he typed it in, you can be one too if you'd like :)!

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by silentspyguy
I am willing to BETA test...8MB, 16MB, 32MB, 64MB, 128MB, 256MB, 1GB cards. Some of them I have multiples of from different companies. Most are from my digital cameras..as well as a printer came with an 8MB card. They should be an industry standard I dont see why they wouldn't work across companies with the same size...between the sizes however...that could be a problem. I have beta tested a few videogames before and a few PC applications, but as someone mentioned before this would also be my first beta test on a handheld. PM me or e-mail me. oh yeah...willing to pay for the final release too! I am looking forward to seeing a great product!!!

They haven't asked for beta testers yet. I don't know, I guess no one reads the thread, just looks at the tail&nbsp;end only. I am sure your well qualified to beta test, but it's pointless to express it an email that hundreds of others have done. Besides, the beta testers may not picked from this thread anyway&nbsp;when they will be needed in mid-April. This thread originally started out only as informational update :).

[contempt]

Just a couple of more days to go. Hopefully they will deliver! or else, I'll be getting an MSPro

[knowledge]

The release date for the beta compact flash driver is estimated to be mid April.

[Unregistered]

They're not starting for "several weeks", yet they'll have an April 1st beta available in 5 days?

hidden

(lousy lost password function not working...)

[sheik28]

Originally posted by Unregistered
They're not starting for "several weeks", yet they'll have an April 1st beta available in 5 days?



This thread was started on Feb. 24th

&nbsp;

&nbsp;

[Unregistered]

Well duh... my bad. I assumed that this "update" posting was NEW information. April 1st is gettin' close!

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[sstrasser86]

so is a beta gonna be out on the 5th or what?

[knowledge]

Check out the link. No beta drivers until mid April.

http://www.softpocketsolutions.com/News.cfm

[MikeLang]

Originally posted by contempt
Just a couple of more days to go. Hopefully they will deliver! or else, I'll be getting an MSPro

Yes, me too. I think I'm loosing momentum for the CF driver "vaporware" (may be or may be not). As soon as the MSPRO comes out, I think I just get a 512 MB MSPRO and get it over with.

[Michael Quach]

Blah... wouldn't you rather spend far less money on a 1 GB CF card, than a 512 MS that you can practically lose in the creases of your pocket?

1 GB, you can probably fit a whole DVD movie on your Clie....

[MikeLang]

Originally posted by Michael Quach
Blah... wouldn't you rather spend far less money on a 1 GB CF card, than a 512 MS that you can practically lose in the creases of your pocket?

1 GB, you can probably fit a whole DVD movie on your Clie....

Yes. But by the time the "vaporware" beta is supposedly coming out at mid April, and I would guess the official release probably another few months, by then probably 512 MB or 1 GB MSPro won't be that much more expensive than a 512 MB or 1 GB CF card + the cost of the driver (probably at least $50 if it ever come out?)

I just lost my patience and enthusiasm on the CF driver over time, that's all...

=Mike=

[timw_de]

1 GB MSPro won't be that much more expensive than a 512 MB or 1 GB CF card + the cost of the driver

But not - if like a lot of people - you already own various CF cards for other devices

[YTTAN]

I share the same thinking like MikeLang. Further more the speed in CF is much slower than the MS Pro with patch. I don;t think can play DVD movies in clie's CF old Version slot.

[Shogmaster]

Originally posted by MikeLang

by then probably 512 MB or 1 GB MSPro won't be that much more expensive than a 512 MB or 1 GB CF card + the cost of the driver (probably at least $50 if it ever come out?)

Are you high?!? 1GB Lexar Professional 32X CFcard is only $285! Sandisk regular 1GB CF card goes for only around $225!

Unless they're gonna charge over $300 for that CF driver, I think we can safely assume that the CFs are gonna be cheaper by a healthy margin over the MS Pro.

[Michael Quach]

I hope you're right.... the 1GB MS was quoted at ~$800 last time I checked.

That would require a small mortgage on my part :D

[jedix]

Well, prices have come down a little. Don't pay $800, when sony itself sells it for $639.99. I have also seen prices out there for around $500, and I expect to see them falling more.

[n2ifp]

It's going to have to fall a lot more still for me.

BTW, who says a the CF will be slower? I think it will be faster and Sony has stated, that using the MS Pro with the software update will not really result in increased speed over the current memory stick.

[fireman54]

Originally posted by MikeLang


Yes. But by the time the "vaporware" beta is supposedly coming out at mid April, and I would guess the official release probably another few months, ...
I just lost my patience and enthusiasm on the CF driver over time, that's all...

=Mike=

Holy cow! This is unbelievable. Labelling it vaporware when the "ESTIMATED" release date&nbsp;for a "BETA" has not even passed. That is just pathetic.

[n2ifp]

Yes, it certainly is! The negativity expressed in this thread in the past is depressing at best. Someone is actually trying to do something and then gets beat over the head, go figure...

[fireman54]

Make you wonder if all the bashing that goes on actually scares these developers away? ;)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by fireman54
Make you wonder if all the bashing that goes on actually scares these developers away? ;)

That and Sony keeping it's API's proprietary.

[mux1]

Originally posted by n2ifp
It's going to have to fall a lot more still for me.

BTW, who says a the CF will be slower? I think it will be faster and Sony has stated, that using the MS Pro with the software update will not really result in increased speed over the current memory stick.


Sony says that? Where?

Please provide a URL....

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by mux1



Sony says that? Where?

Please provide a URL....

On Sony's web site for the MS Pro. This is only applicable to those devices needing the driver and are not native to the MS Pro. Believe me, I don't make this stuff up! I don't have or remember the link, but it was in one of the threads.

[mux1]

Originally posted by n2ifp


On Sony's web site for the MS Pro. This is only applicable to those devices needing the driver and are not native to the MS Pro. Believe me, I don't make this stuff up! I don't have or remember the link, but it was in one of the threads.

http://www.ita.sel.sony.com/support/news/mspromedia.html

Does not say anything about NX-70/NX-60 not being fully compatible after software update (most likely just a driver). It does however state that some Vaio computers may not be able to take advantage of the speed capability.

Do you have a different reference? I'd love to see it... I just see you stating this speed incompatability thing over and over but do not have any hard facts to back your claim.

[ayasin]

From the link above (in fine print)
Please note that capacity, transfer speeds, and other Memory Stick PRO media features vary by and are dependent upon the design of host hardware devices. See host device specifications for details.



So it appears that it depends on the what the Clie hardware is capable of. I tend to agree with the wait and see approach to the speed issue. I'm not sure what the clie hardware is capable of so I'm not going to assume that I'll get max performance unless Sony specifically says so (even then, I'd want metrics).

[mux1]

Originally posted by ayasin


So it appears that it depends on the what the Clie hardware is capable of. I tend to agree with the wait and see approach to the speed issue. I'm not sure what the clie hardware is capable of so I'm not going to assume that I'll get max performance unless Sony specifically says so (even then, I'd want metrics).

Certainly, but I think that speaks more to the issue of differences among manufacturers of different types oh hardware, and not to the MS vs MS Pro architecture. I am fairly certain that an NX would not have the same speed capabilities as a dedicated card reader with regular MS, , but a MS Pro-equipped NX should be comparitively faster vs regular MS as reg MS vs. MS Pro in a MS Pro equipped card reader.

I really have my doubts about an NX's MS Pro capability... but I have not seen anything from Sony saying otherwise...and they do specifically address VAIO computers

[deadlyfoez]

Listen folks,

This CF driver is vaporware. Come on people. we all have been sitting at the edge of our seats since november hoping for this driver. This is overly rediculous. I'm sick of waiting, as is everyone else. MSPro all the way.

If these people do happen to come out with the driver, I will stand corrected, but chances of that happening are slim to none.

[ilkera]

I agree. there is still no update since 28th Feb.
why ?
If I was a developer I would just put 2 words on that website to inform people about the development.
is this so hard ?

[Michael Quach]

:rolleyes:

Either you guys are the most impatient ppl in the world, or you work for Sony.

It's been ONE MONTH since their original announcement. One friggin' month, almost to the day! It's listed on an official company website. What else do you guys want? Blood??

All this proprietary licensing thing has gotten me pretty ticked off.... I'm not buying a Sony MS, if only out of principle.

[Rick 098]

I would like to beta-test I have, a 12* 64mb lexar card,A 4* 64mb Lexar card, A normal 32mb PNY card,a 16 mb card (dont have it right now,someones using it),and a 8mb normal sandisk card.

[MikeLang]

Originally posted by ilkera
I agree. there is still no update since 28th Feb.
why ?
If I was a developer I would just put 2 words on that website to inform people about the development.
is this so hard ?

Exactly. Beside, I'm not talking about this CF Driver developer, but it's a pretty standard "practice" in the software or hardware industry to put out "feelers". "Yes, I'm coming out with something soon", that kind of things, so that: 1) If anybody is thinking of going in, hope that they will stop, and 2) see how the public reacts.
Yes, news can "intentionally" get out months before the actual development starts (if it ever starts at all). Do you all think that babying the developer will make things happened sooner? Or growing impatient with a product will make it stop?

-Mike-

[fargusmax]

Yeesh. People are going to commit suicide if the developer comes back and says "Sorry guys, without Sony releasing some info to us, it cannot be done" ala JackSprat....

[MikeLang]

Originally posted by Shogmaster


Are you high?!? 1GB Lexar Professional 32X CFcard is only $285! Sandisk regular 1GB CF card goes for only around $225!

Unless they're gonna charge over $300 for that CF driver, I think we can safely assume that the CFs are gonna be cheaper by a healthy margin over the MS Pro.

But see how fast the prices on MSPro are dropping. It's now $129, $259 and $499
for 256, 512 and 1GB. Remember that 1GB was announced as $880 a month ago.

[timw_de]

interesting, so i can buy (at this present moment) either
1 x 1Gb MSPro
or
2 x 1Gb CF cards with $50 change
some choice

[MikeLang]

Originally posted by Michael Quach
:rolleyes:

Either you guys are the most impatient ppl in the world, or you work for Sony.

It's been ONE MONTH since their original announcement. One friggin' month, almost to the day! It's listed on an official company website. What else do you guys want? Blood??

All this proprietary licensing thing has gotten me pretty ticked off.... I'm not buying a Sony MS, if only out of principle.

You probably are not very familiar with the computer industry in general. 1 month is eternity in software and hardware world. Intel or AMD can design and market a new processor with millions of gates in less than 6 months. 1 month is probably a very short time for you but for a lot of us, it's too freaking long.

[MikeLang]

Originally posted by timw_de
interesting, so i can buy (at this present moment) either
1 x 1Gb MSPro
or
2 x 1Gb CF cards with $50 change
some choice

That's exactly my point: I can buy a $500 MS now and pop it in my NX and start using it or you can buy 2 CF Flash for the same money and then stare at them.
Again, your choice.

[ashVID]

Having that much money tied up in a TINY memory stick is a little scary. That is nitpicking though... but... if you stick to 512mb CF you can get them for $100 each. The $500 you spend on your 1gb mem stick would actually buy you 2.5GB of CF. Not to mention there are often many deals that bring down the price of CF even further, dont expect the same for MS Pro....


ash =o)

[timw_de]

or buy the CF cards and continue using them in other equipment
like digicams
I personally don't even have to fork out money for them as I already own them (in other devices)
the thing that bothers me the most is having a bloody CF slot and not being able to use it.
Assuming the drivers do become available, I'll probably end up with at least 512Mb in each, hell i already have the 256Mb MSPro.

[Unregistered]

Frankly the cost factor is only the icing as far as I am concerned. To have the ability to carry double the software is the greatest validation for a usable CF slot. Also the wear and tear avoided due to less swapping cards outshines the nice plus of cost alone.

Sony should listen to their customers.....errr.....sorry....here I go daydreaming again (Sony listening to us, over the clink and clank of the Sony cash register)

[ashVID]

Truth is, that for the price WIFI should have been built in, ESPECIALLY on the NZ. I love sony stuff but they have ALWAYS tried to make you use their proprietary accessories. The batteries for high end cameras used to be IDENTICAL to Canon batteries which were cheaper and had TONS of generic option, problem was that Sony added a notch along the side that made it impossible to slide in the Canon type. Anyone else think it VERY hypocritical that the new WiFi card now has drivers for PPC? Please Sony, give us a break...



ash =o)

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by Unregistered
Sony should listen to their customers.....errr.....sorry....here I go daydreaming again (Sony listening to us, over the clink and clank of the Sony cash register)

Right, the sounds of the cash register!!!

As long as we keep throwing money at Sony, why would it listen?

[mdharris]

Beta tester...... I am there if needed.

[mux1]

Originally posted by MikeLang


You probably are not very familiar with the computer industry in general. 1 month is eternity in software and hardware world. Intel or AMD can design and market a new processor with millions of gates in less than 6 months. 1 month is probably a very short time for you but for a lot of us, it's too freaking long.

I can see what you are trying to convey, but Intel and AMD are giants compared to Soft Pocket Solutions, LLC, with resources hundreds of times larger than what they have. You couldn't by any means compare the likes of the giant chipmakers to a small PDA software developer, who, I might add, has not developed anything to date for the PALM OS platform. This is certainly their first venture into anything PALM, (not to mention having to deal with the proprietary SONY aspect of this matter).... so have patience!

[n2ifp]

Some will never be happy no matter what happens. I am thankful that at least someone has attempted to do something other than grumble. Again, this basically is the endeavor of one man who already has enough stuff to do and is only trying to help us, not make a killing. No one is holding a gun to his head or is anyone being forced to purchase the CF driver. With the attutides of some and if it were up to me, I'd make them wait longer. Shame on some for not really giving Corey encouragement. He stated that he was not looking for beta testers yet, but many already added themselves irregardless of what he has said. I suspect some have done so, just to be funny. Keep it up people and you may never see a CF driver :mad:!

[MikeLang]

Originally posted by n2ifp
Some will never be happy no matter what happens. I am thankful that at least someone has attempted to do something other than grumble. Again, this basically is the endeavor of one man who already has enough stuff to do and is only trying to help us, not make a killing. No one is holding a gun to his head or is anyone being forced to purchase the CF driver. With the attutides of some and if it were up to me, I'd make them wait longer. Shame on some for not really giving Corey encouragement. He stated that he was not looking for beta testers yet, but many already added themselves irregardless of what he has said. I suspect some have done so, just to be funny. Keep it up people and you may never see a CF driver :mad:!

Do you really think that the CF driver developer is doing it for the benefits of mankind? He or she has a business decision to make. I really don't believe that either encouragement of discouragement will make any difference. He or she writes driver for money, for business, not for charity or for helping you out as you want to believe.

73,
Mike

[Pen-Pen]

I'm really disappointed by what I've read, Mclaughinc said that he could give us news before the mid of april, and when I look at my calendar, I see Sunday 30 March, not april.

Why some guys like you always said things like that when someone try to make some people happy ? (even if he want to make money)

We believe that a CF memory driver could be done! If this thread hurt you in any way why do you still come to read it?

[k_yingguo]

I wanna beta test too.....I got a lexar 64mb and a canon 8mb cf card and of course an nx70......lol

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by MikeLang


Do you really think that the CF driver developer is doing it for the benefits of mankind? He or she has a business decision to make. I really don't believe that either encouragement of discouragement will make any difference. He or she writes driver for money, for business, not for charity or for helping you out as you want to believe.

73,
Mike

Hi Mike!

Yes! There is a history here that I have followed closely. Part of that history is now gone when Cliesource lost it's database. The developer is primarily a PPC developer. Corey who is an employee acquired a Sony NX60 for himself and at the urging of another&nbsp;Cliesource user and friend,&nbsp;urged him to try and help the NX users out. Since Sony has kept everything proprietary, Corey figured that he could apply what he knows from the PPC world to the Clie without Sony's help! This is a secondary endeavor, NOT primary! He has stated he has more pressing projects for his employer. He had also stated that he would get back into the CF driver project sometime mid-April. He also stated that he thinks it's doable. I don't see anyone else doing anything, including Sony. Corey also stated that when his is&nbsp;finished, he would be happy just to break even. Now if this a real problem, I don't know what else to say. I certainly won't condemn the man for at least trying. I just don't understand why people are so down on him. His only intent at the beginning of this thread was to give us users an update. Since it isn't mid-April yet, no one can say he hasn't held true to his word. Until then, we have to wait, as I really don't see anyone else doing anything, please pardon my repetition. I hope this adds some clarity and helps untangle some of the confusion for all my fellow Clie users.

73, Larry de N2IFP :)

[ilkera]

We just want a "date" from the developer for the release of a driver with whatever price.
We don't want something like mid-april. Because that is not something certain. And we DO NOT want a beta test date. We want a date to receive the software, paying for it...

Mid-april is really very disappointing because at that date we DON'T know if we will be able to get the software.

If the developer came out and said "We will release the beta driver to ANYONE who pays the price at mid-april" maybe we could be more patient.

Am I not right?

[Shrink]

People can be as impatient and adolescent as they wish; It will not change the release date one iota.
If you guys feel like ranting and raving, go ahead but what do you think it'll accomplish? It's almost like road rage on some of these threads:confused:
alan

[YTTAN]

I agree with ilkera about the "release date" and esitmate price too from the developer. It will affect us to decide whether to invest 1 GB MS Pro or 1GB CF or maybe 2GB or 4GB in future especially of those need the memory urgently.

But only when mid-April then start the CF driver program then when is the estimate date of the release of that driver? May or Jun? By the time, MS Pro's price might drop it further.

We do not want to wait until that time then the "CF driver" competition's history to be repeat it again. If the Sony Ms Pro driver come out first in April, the 'richer guy' will definite go for it instead as just like the MikeLang's well said:

"That's exactly my point: I can buy a $500 MS now and pop it in my NX and start using it or you can buy 2 CF Flash for the same money and then stare at them. "

Investment $ in memory card will decide which camera i will buy in future. That why i sell away my canon and nikon digital camera at very low price, so that i can use the Sony F707 5MB pixel digital cam.

[YTTAN]

Since i start using it Sony with 2 x 128MB MS sticks + 1 x 128MB MS magicgate. If i use other brand again, I will lost my investment of about SGD$620 - US$355 1-2 years ago!!!!!!

[mdharris]

Some of you people crack me up. Sony had no interest in doing a driver to support a product they do not sell. Yet a developer decided for maybe selfish reasons (money) or maybe just to do it, he decided to make a driver to BENEFIT ALL OF US. I would imagine the developers job comes first and if he cannot get to it till mid April then so nbe it. No one is making you wait to see if it comes out before price drops on the new Pro Sticks. Well I guess again I am going to have to say I agree with n2ifp.

[aussie_nx70v]

i think this is all getting abit too pathetic. the developer does not owe anyone anything. if he chooses to release the driver next century so be it.

not you, i or saddam houssein can influence his project. he will release it when he is ready.

[Unregistered]

Hey, Hey guys, back off a little. Maybe this guy is sincere.

OR maybe he is just a paid accomplish, hired by SONY to throws us all off track!

Maybe it SONY we should be dumping (wet, stinking, vile, pools worth)

After all its all their miserable fault and their their miserable , money lovin greed,

build a fantastic machine, and then proceed to disable it from being fully functional,


SONY YOU SUCK!!!!

[OcellNuri]

I still want to hear from Sony. Back when everyone attacked them with e-mails they said that they were working on the issue. Anyone remember that? Seems like they said they were working on a driver.

[L0KEMAN]

If you charged $30 for this driver itr would pay for itself 10 times buying my first one gig cf card. I'd like to be a beta tester and would pay for the chance, I'm using a NZ90.

[akfreas]

What I don't understand about sony is when they do things like not release the API for the RMC diode or the speaker. How is that going to get them more money? I can, however, understand why they don't release the CF API. Could it be that they just want control over their product (which we purchase and is rightfully ours)?

[sstrasser86]

Originally posted by OcellNuri
I still want to hear from Sony. Back when everyone attacked them with e-mails they said that they were working on the issue. Anyone remember that? Seems like they said they were working on a driver.

you think that did something???
wow i feel special

[akfreas]

Sony lies to their customers.

[OcellNuri]

Originally posted by sstrasser86


you think that did something???
wow i feel special

I was just trying to make a point. It seems like everyone forgot that Sony said they were working on a driver.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by OcellNuri


I was just trying to make a point. It seems like everyone forgot that Sony said they were working on a driver.

I did not forget, but I didn't take them seriously as various responses from Sony contradicted themselves, please don't ask for specifics as I don't remember. Put it this way, if Sony would actually produce a CF memory card driver, I'd be shocked and possibly go into cardiac arrest... :)!

[n2ifp]

People offering to be beta testers just don't give up and are only making fools of themselves by demonstrating the lack of reading the original posted threads.

Believe it or not, I have actually received several personal emails expressing disbelief in some of the posters reading comprehension.

[sheik28]

Originally posted by n2ifp
People offering to be beta testers just don't give up and are only making fools of themselves by demonstrating the lack of reading the original posted threads.

Believe it or not, I have actually received several personal emails expressing disbelief in some of the posters reading comprehension.

Although it is nice to see someone stick their neck out someone else's behalf with nothing to gain, you didn't have to.

I emailed him about this thread only because I didn't want to post unnecessarily. So I bothered him!!! ;)

UNREAL!!!! It clearly states right at the beginning and several times throughout this thread by many other members that they are not looking for beta testers...is that a deterrant .....an emphatic HELL NO!! Aren't boards like these designed to help and inform people? Doesn't that mean&nbsp; you are supposed to read them??&nbsp; Someone please correct me since I am&nbsp; a relative newbie here (perennial newbie is more like it though), my girlfriend and&nbsp; my parents point out when I am wrong&nbsp; so why shouldn't total strangers??!!&nbsp; ;)

Also.... why are people gettin on this guy's back? Is he some anonymous poster who comes in and makes empty promises often? This guy is looking to make money off of this, that shouldn't even be questioned here.What's so wrong about that? I thought this was America.

Time??!!! Big deal.....this corp.&nbsp;was all about PPC&nbsp;'till this guy got it in his blood to try something new and totally blind. It isn't exactly like he is getting help from Sony and we all know that.&nbsp;And&nbsp;some people are bashing him because it's&nbsp;almost April and there isn't anything?&nbsp;Geeze...unplug for a minute get&nbsp;a book, go to a park... play some sports or&nbsp; just relax....maybe smoke some weed or somethin' cause some peeps have a huge pole up their very own&nbsp;"CF" slots.

&nbsp;

BTW...is this the way to make friends at a new site???&nbsp;&nbsp; ;)

[mdrsteve]

Wow! If I were Corey, I'd either STOP my development on the driver now, or I'd chareg $100 bucks for it when I was done! He owes nobody anything! And everyone chose to buy an NX with no one promising there would ever be a CF driver! There's a definite lack of patience and understanding on this thread that I find very sad!

[YTTAN]

I agree with OcellNuri that Sony might working on the issue. It is just like those people down here with the same 'believe' with the so called 'developer'.

I agree with aussie_nx70v that the 'developer' does not owe anyone anything so do Sony.

It just that some of the people like to nag a bit...about the status of the driver as the last driver competition had let down a lot of us with no result.

Then some 'others' will act like the justice holder to protect the developer. Do the developer need this kind of protection?

I myself is very mad to Sony too about the MS Pro stuff. Waste my investment!

it is just that no other brand can surpass Sony on palm device yet, so do we have a choice to leave Sony?

If those really decided to leave Sony aside, will he or she still nag over here, i think they should leave this cliesource and go to palmsource or whatever.--Just my opinion only.

[YTTAN]

Let stop all this debation in this forum. This forum is useful when everyone is helping each other rather than for some senseless argument.

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by sheik28


Although it is nice to see someone stick their neck out someone else's behalf with nothing to gain, you didn't have to.

I emailed him about this thread only because I didn't want to post unnecessarily. So I bothered him!!! ;)

UNREAL!!!! It clearly states right at the beginning and several times throughout this thread by many other members that they are not looking for beta testers...is that a deterrant .....an emphatic HELL NO!! Aren't boards like these designed to help and inform people? Doesn't that mean&nbsp; you are supposed to read them??&nbsp; Someone please correct me since I am&nbsp; a relative newbie here (perennial newbie is more like it though), my girlfriend and&nbsp; my parents point out when I am wrong&nbsp; so why shouldn't total strangers??!!&nbsp; ;)

Also.... why are people gettin on this guy's back? Is he some anonymous poster who comes in and makes empty promises often? This guy is looking to make money off of this, that shouldn't even be questioned here.What's so wrong about that? I thought this was America.

Time??!!! Big deal.....this corp.&nbsp;was all about PPC&nbsp;'till this guy got it in his blood to try something new and totally blind. It isn't exactly like he is getting help from Sony and we all know that.&nbsp;And&nbsp;some people are bashing him because it's&nbsp;almost April and there isn't anything?&nbsp;Geeze...unplug for a minute get&nbsp;a book, go to a park... play some sports or&nbsp; just relax....maybe smoke some weed or somethin' cause some peeps have a huge pole up their very own&nbsp;"CF" slots.

&nbsp;

BTW...is this the way to make friends at a new site???&nbsp;&nbsp; ;)

Check this out:

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&amp;threadid=9091

&nbsp;

[mashoutposse]

Shouldn't the lack of patience be a GOOD sign for a developer? It demonstrates that the interest level is skyhigh. If someone were banging on my door to BUY something from me, I'd be pretty darn pleased with myself, personally.

[jmg_NX21]

Yeah but if the customer is gruff, rude, loud... it doesn't make for a comfortable transaction now does it?

Murphy's Law would have it that THEY would comeback demanding a refund, threathening to sue, unhappy with THEIR purchase and making this transaction an ugly one.

[dark79]

Anyone else notice the announcement of working on a CF driver is missing from Soft Pocket Solutions website? Curious, indeed.

[mclaughlinc]

Yes, I removed the information about the CF driver from our web site. At this point with another developer going to beta in a few days. We don't see any point with continuing any work on this project. We where about 3 weeks away (best guess). And we where going to charge $40 a copy. With the other developer going to be selling his software at $25 a copy it just does not make sense. As I have said in this thread before I did not see this as a hughe money making project for us. So we are going to cut our loses and back out.

By the way we are going to be selling a NZ-90 with 128MS. This device was purchased for this project. Futhermore this device has been sitting on a desktop and hardly used at all. Let me know if you want this device otherwise we will post on eBay.

Thank,

Corey McLaughlin

[CliePet]

> We don't see any point with continuing any work on this project.... So we are going to cut our loses and back out.

If there is no possible business opportunity for you,
then please consider releasing whatever source code you produced or other discoveries to the public domain (or GPL)

It may help entice other developers to write other CF drivers (ie. not just CF storage)

How far did you get ? Maybe nothing will come of it, other than goodwill.

Just a suggestion [or you may want to wait until the competition actually completes a read/write driver]

[jmg_NX21]

*Sorry to hear...

No other CF device with some of the progress you have made?

[ilkera]

this sad news...
I would like to see different drivers.

I just want to thank you "Corey McLaughlin" as you started a big discussion and maybe started this work.
this driver was the biggest thing we clie owners wanted.
I hope the work you've done does not go to /dev/null.

[mux1]

Originally posted by mclaughlinc
Yes, I removed the information about the CF driver from our web site. At this point with another developer going to beta in a few days. We don't see any point with continuing any work on this project. We where about 3 weeks away (best guess). And we where going to charge $40 a copy. With the other developer going to be selling his software at $25 a copy it just does not make sense. As I have said in this thread before I did not see this as a hughe money making project for us. So we are going to cut our loses and back out.

By the way we are going to be selling a NZ-90 with 128MS. This device was purchased for this project. Futhermore this device has been sitting on a desktop and hardly used at all. Let me know if you want this device otherwise we will post on eBay.

Thank,

Corey McLaughlin

Corey, I would love to help you cut your losses and give you $100 to take that NZ-90 off your hands. :)

Regards,

Rob

robroller@adelphia.net

[AlphaSwift]

Corey,

You're making a big mistake.

Given the limited functionality of the "beta" and some of the still yet-to-be-addressed problems the author has mentioned in his thread, you have to wonder what the ultimate outcome of this driver will be.

Now weigh that against the credibility Softpocket has within the Palm community. Customers would perceive you delivering and better able to support the driver.

Don't pick up your marbles and go home --- suck it up and kick his as*.

[Michael Quach]

They must've given up, since there's already a workable driver....

[Unregistered]

Vaporware! Hey, I like to buy what you have started and I'll take it from there. I guess you're done with "print "hello world"?

[nykknd]

Please Count me in. I was the one who waiting this badly.
I have NX70/UH Black Model.
Please let me test.

[BClie2k]

Originally posted by mclaughlinc
Yes, I removed the information about the CF driver from our web site. At this point with another developer going to beta in a few days. We don't see any point with continuing any work on this project. We where about 3 weeks away (best guess). And we where going to charge $40 a copy. With the other developer going to be selling his software at $25 a copy it just does not make sense. As I have said in this thread before I did not see this as a hughe money making project for us. So we are going to cut our loses and back out.

By the way we are going to be selling a NZ-90 with 128MS. This device was purchased for this project. Futhermore this device has been sitting on a desktop and hardly used at all. Let me know if you want this device otherwise we will post on eBay.

Thank,

Corey McLaughlin

I can't believe this. After all the posts that have been posted and all that publicity. Corey $40 is just too much, I think 30 or even 25 would have been fine. Now, it doesn't mean because someone has a working prototype yours should be less worthed. I believe in competition and if you can do it better than the other guy then keep on going. Do you think Toyota will stop selling cars because Honda came with something better. Anyway, it was nice to know that at least you gave us some hope.

Al

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by CliePet
> We don't see any point with continuing any work on this project.... So we are going to cut our loses and back out.

If there is no possible business opportunity for you,
then please consider releasing whatever source code you produced or other discoveries to the public domain (or GPL)

It may help entice other developers to write other CF drivers (ie. not just CF storage)

How far did you get ? Maybe nothing will come of it, other than goodwill.

Just a suggestion [or you may want to wait until the competition actually completes a read/write driver]

I doubt "Vapor Solutions" has any codes to release...