When are you buying the TG50

[wiseleo]

Just curious about how much everyone wants this unit.

I think it's going to be a classic. I pre-ordered mine now.

Leonid

[Talula]

How about NEVER! Built in keyboard, YUCK!

[Jeffry]

The built-in keyboard is good, but I wish they implement a virtual graffiti area instead.

I don't really mind if I own one anyways.... it's still a decent PDA (since I need the built-in keyboard).

[swinter]

Originally posted by Jeffry
The built-in keyboard is good, but I wish they implement a virtual graffiti area instead.

Exactly. Maybe they will on the next 'round. Otherwise, they'll risk losing people to the Garmin.

[acoustyx86]

never, i hate built in keyboards, and besides i love my t665c

[zipman]

Sony should have given us a virtual writing area on a NX screen size. If I want a keyboard I will order one that you can actualy speed type onto. The TG50 is NOT for me. I will stay with my T665 and even by an extra one for the future, since Sony does not understand what should be next in the T series.

[Sneezy]

As soon as possible!

I wanna buy a TG50, yeaaaah!

[InfoPalm]

I wasn't aware you could pre-order it....

Anyways I'm holding on a while...

Really want VG.

[LeoFG]

Maybe Sony is planning a PEG-TG60, PEG-TH50 or PEG-VG50.
Anyway we could suggest a PEG-WWVG (We What Virtual Graffiti). :)))

[sindu]

Since my SE T68i went berzek last week, i am struggling to find a BT enable phone which also has tri-band and GPRS to come along with the TG. I would snaped the TG on the first day of its release.

[yOyOYoo]

I would rather have T-series with virtual graffiti with optional mini keyboard accessory to snap onto the unit if I need it.

[BBERIC]

Go for the T665C instead. I don't think that the TG50 is better than the T665C, right ?

[jiserrab]

Not. All I want is VG...

[mashoutposse]

I bet some of the same people in this very thread will see it in stores, like it, and buy it.

BTW, the Garmin is as big as an NR70V (thicker, actually). I don't see how it's an option.

[spdusek]

Got a T-615 which still works GREAT for me... I don't really have a NEED to upgrade yet, plus I REALLY don't care for the built-in keyboard. Not to mention that can't afford to keep up with every handheld that Sony releases.

When OS5 really becomes useful (better apps available, more built-in memory inside the unit) I will move up. (Maybe not 'till OS6??) UNLESS they release an OS5 T-series with hires+ and VG! THAT would convince me to take out a second mortgage!

[EdFrmBrighthand]

Originally posted by Jeffry
The built-in keyboard is good, but I wish they implement a virtual graffiti area instead.

Originally posted by swinter
Maybe they will on the next 'round. Otherwise, they'll risk losing people to the Garmin.
They may lose people to Garmin anyway, because some will like the idea of a handheld with built-in GPS. However, it probaly won't happen just because of the screen. While the Garmin iQue 3600 has virtual Graffiti, it uses a 240 by 320 screen. Even when the Garmin device has its Graffiti area hidden, the TG50 will have more pixels.

[mashoutposse]

According to Garmin, it has a 320x480 screen like the NX...

Anyway, while you're absolutely right about people moving towards the Garmin anyway, I don't think anyone should be doing it because it's a T-series VG replacement. If the Garmin is, then an NX in tablet mode is, too.

[big_raji]

Wow, I'm surprised that the Garmin uses a 240x320 screen. I could've sworn it was going to be 320x480.

If PalmOS 5 can be used properly on a 240x320 screen, I wonder if any manufacturers out there would want to release one of their PocketPC devices as a Palm device.

With Dell, Toshiba, and HP releasing hardware far beyond any PalmOS device at prices lower than any color PalmOS device, I've been wondering why Palm devices couldn't do the same. I always just figured that the 240x320 screen was the limiting factor.

I guess not.

[mashoutposse]

BTW, is that a picture of you on the front page of Brighthand? :)

[Jun]

For your information:

Dimensions:

NX70V: 5.5 (H) x 2.88 (W) x .69 (D) inches

iQUE3600: 5 (H) x 2.8 (W) x .8 (D) inches


Screen Resolution

NX70V: 320x480

iQUE3600: 320x480

[swinter]

Originally posted by mashoutposse
According to Garmin, it has a 320x480 screen like the NX...

Anyway, while you're absolutely right about people moving towards the Garmin anyway, I don't think anyone should be doing it because it's a T-series VG replacement. If the Garmin is, then an NX in tablet mode is, too.

The Garmin is certainly the same size screen as the NX and NZ in tablet mode, but at substantially less weight! (5.2 oz compared to 8 oz for the NX and 10oz for the NZ.) Moreover, it has double the onboard memory: 32 MB instead of 16. I think the processor (200 MHz according to CNET) is faster than the NX as well (though the same as the NZ).

While the Garmin is not quite as slim as the T series, it has a very favorable form factor compared to the N series with more memory, comparable screen, and different package of extras (GPS instead of camera). Even with a Bluetooth SD card, it's less than the NZ. And the unit + bluetooth SD card is less than the NX + bluetooth MS. To me, it looks highly competitive as a T series replacement. We'll see what Sony has to stack up against it once the Garmin unit is actually out in April, May or June.

Here are the specs from the Garmin page:

     *  Built-in 32 MB of memory for downloading map data and    other Palm OS-compatible software 
     *  Unit size: 2.8"W x 5"H x .8"D (72 x 128 x 20.3 mm) 
     *  Display: 2.16" x 3.24" (54 x 81 mm), 320 x 480 pixel, high-resolution, color display 
     *  Applications: Astraware Game Pack, Documents To Go, powerOne Personal Calculator, StarCaddy, SplashPhoto, and Vindigo, with many more to come!  

[mashoutposse]

I don't know about you, but the only real T-series VG replacement on the market is a Pocket PC -- the HP h1910. Both the Garmin and tablet NX are not very close to that size.

BTW, the Garmin has a slower processor than the NX's.

"Not quite as slim as the T series?" It's thicker than an NR, for goodness' sake :)

The Garmin is an excellent device, but is it a T665 w/ Virtual Graffiti? Nuh uh.

[swinter]

Originally posted by mashoutposse
BTW, the Garmin has a slower processor than the NX's.

Not quite so. The Garmin's is 200 MHz, which makes it the same as the NX and the NZ. (Though, as best I can tell, they each use a different version of the 200 MHz processor so there may be differences in performance.)

"Not quite as slim as the T series?" It's thicker than an NR, for goodness' sake :)

Just barely so. An NR is .7 inch thick and Garmin's unit is .8 inch thick.

Still, the relevant comparison is to the comparably equipped (OS 5 and 200 MHz processor) NX. According to Sony the NX is 15/16 inch thick, which is .9375 inch. Not to mention that the NX (even the NX60) is 2.8 ounces heavier, a half inch longer, and .1 inch wider than the Garmin.

(The T series is .5 inch thick. The NZ is 5.1 ounces heavier than the Garmin and slightly wider and higher.)

"The Garmin is an excellent device, but is it a T665 w/ Virtual Graffiti? Nuh uh.

Of course, what we really want is a TG50 w/ VG -- and 32 MB onboard.

[mashoutposse]

The Garmin actually has a 150MHz processor that's neither a TI or an Intel XScale... I think PalmInfoCenter has that tidbit buried within their CES 2003 show coverage.

Size-wise, I think most will find it more iPaq than T615C, though.

With 32MB of RAM, it deserves at least a look from every power user regardless of size.

[mashoutposse]

Of course, what we really want is a TG50 w/ VG -- and 32 MB onboard.

Do you mind if I dream this dream along with you? It just feels so... GOOD... :D

[atomicCLIE]

Originally posted by spdusek
Got a T-615 which still works GREAT for me... I don't really have a NEED to upgrade yet, plus I REALLY don't care for the built-in keyboard. Not to mention that can't afford to keep up with every handheld that Sony releases.

When OS5 really becomes useful (better apps available, more built-in memory inside the unit) I will move up. (Maybe not 'till OS6??) UNLESS they release an OS5 T-series with hires+ and VG! THAT would convince me to take out a second mortgage!

I totally agree... I'm VERY happy with my T-665C and won't get rid of it until there is a T-Series type PDA with virtual graffiti.

T-Series form factor 4 life!

[hansschmucker]

Uhm. Just a word about the NX... It's heavier because it has Aluminium instead of plastic, and I woudn't wanna miss that anymore. Alos you CAN actually write using the NX keyboard. I use it at school all the time.

[OcellNuri]

I agree. Having the metal case (I think it's actually Magnesium) on the NR/NX makes me feel a lot better about carrying it around in my pocket.

[quintuss]

If they release a device similar to the TG50 but WITHOUT thumbboard, it's mine.
Otherwise i'll wait or stick with the TT.

[sindu]

but hey, i am a gadget junky...always want to have the newest "gun" on the street that conformt to T665 form factor. As a matter of fact, joing cliesource make me more addicted to Clie.

[swinter]

Originally posted by mashoutposse
The Garmin actually has a 150MHz processor that's neither a TI or an Intel XScale... I think PalmInfoCenter has that tidbit buried within their CES 2003 show coverage. 

Definitely not what CNET is saying.  Here are the up-to-date details for the Garmin, according to CNET:  "Motorola DragonBall MXL ARM920T 200 "

I suspect the CES 2003 info is out-of-date.

Originally posted by mashoutposse Do you mind if I dream this dream along with you? It just feels so... GOOD... <IMG alt="" src="http://www.cliesource.com/forums//forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border=0>

Pas de tout. The more the merrier!

[swinter]

Originally posted by OcellNuri
I agree. Having the metal case (I think it's actually Magnesium) on the NR/NX makes me feel a lot better about carrying it around in my pocket.

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Well, I have a titanium bicycle. Why not a titanium PDA?

[quiller]

if Sony wants to beat out any other Palm-based PDA on the market...

- OS 5 / Hi-Res+
- Virtual Graffiti on a 320x480 screen
- ARM cpu (144mhz is fine)
- Bluetooth

And all of that in the ultra-slim, compact T-6xx case, not thicker or the NR-series. I'm not going to even ask for a 200mhz or something CPU, no need for it. Once the majority of games and apps are OS5, hi-res compliant, Sony will launch this device. Until then, they need the 4.1 models out there to quench us power users that don't want to lose our freeware stuff.

[Geckotek]

Umm.....I'm clicking, but my NEVER entry won't take. =P

[quiller]

it'll never happen, i know. for some reason thumb keyboards and the clamshell design is the "cool" thing. what about us that love the current style but would be happy paying a bit more for features: OS5 (and along with that a faster chip) and VG.. that's all we ask, Sony-- Hi-Res+ on a T6xx series!!