~the Zen Clie~

[anniebluesky]

I have read so much on launchers, skins and add-ons. It can be daunting. I have chosen the Zen approach. I decided to keep the Clie Launcher that was installed on my NX70 and tweak it to my likings. (Reasoning....I can't get rid of it, and it will take up RAM, so I wanted to make the most of it.) At first I hated it. But, then I started working with it. I also like the tablet mode, so most of the time my hard buttons are hidden. Here is what I have done to improve my system:


Added OKey with 'Scroll Up/Down' enabled. This allows a couple of added bonuses. The up and down scroll button is now arrows that I can tap with my stylus. It also gave me the 4 hard buttons that I had mapped to my most used apps. If I tap on the battery, Agendus pops up. If I tap on the left third of the time area, Quik Budget pops up. When I tap on the middle of the time area, Shadow pops up. When I tap on the right third of the time area, HandyShopper pops up.
The other thing I missed from my Palm 4.0 days is MiddleCaps Hack. But, I have found a good replacement...MemHack. It will make a letter capitalized if you write it in the upper right corner of the 'abc' area of the graffiti silk screen.
I wanted to always have full screen and got tired of  clicking the little arrow to get rid of the graffiti area when I didn't need it. I found KeepWide which remembers if the VG screen was full or hidden when you last used an app. (Very nice.) One added bonus here...when in the launcher, all 12 of my favorite applications are exposed instead of the VG screen eating up 6 of them.
I have edited my Clie Launcher Group to have only 5 categories. That way no scrolling...all are exposed for fast selection.
In the launcher preferences, I chose 'Display: Icon (Small)' to mininize the amount of searching through a category.


This seems to be the most time efficient way to use the built in launcher that I have found. Everything is pretty much at my fingertips and easily accessible.:cool:

[n2ifp]

Originally posted by anniebluesky
I have read so much on launchers, skins and add-ons. It can be daunting. I have chosen the Zen approach. I decided to keep the Clie Launcher that was installed on my NX70 and tweak it to my likings. (Reasoning....I can't get rid of it, and it will take up RAM, so I wanted to make the most of it.) At first I hated it. But, then I started working with it. I also like the tablet mode, so most of the time my hard buttons are hidden. Here is what I have done to improve my system:


Added OKey with 'Scroll Up/Down' enabled. This allows a couple of added bonuses. The up and down scroll button is now arrows that I can tap with my stylus. It also gave me the 4 hard buttons that I had mapped to my most used apps. If I tap on the battery, Agendus pops up. If I tap on the left third of the time area, Quik Budget pops up. When I tap on the middle of the time area, Shadow pops up. When I tap on the right third of the time area, HandyShopper pops up.
The other thing I missed from my Palm 4.0 days is MiddleCaps Hack. But, I have found a good replacement...MemHack. It will make a letter capitalized if you write it in the upper right corner of the 'abc' area of the graffiti silk screen.
I wanted to always have full screen and got tired of  clicking the little arrow to get rid of the graffiti area when I didn't need it. I found KeepWide which remembers if the VG screen was full or hidden when you last used an app. (Very nice.) One added bonus here...when in the launcher, all 12 of my favorite applications are exposed instead of the VG screen eating up 6 of them.
I have edited my Clie Launcher Group to have only 5 categories. That way no scrolling...all are exposed for fast selection.
In the launcher preferences, I chose 'Display: Icon (Small)' to mininize the amount of searching through a category.


This seems to be the most time efficient way to use the built in launcher that I have found. Everything is pretty much at my fingertips and easily accessible.:cool:

That's fine, I won't hold it against you:D!

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by n2ifp


That's fine, I won't hold it against you:D!

One can always dream...;)

[hansschmucker]

Tiny correction. The standard launcher won't take up RAM since it's placed in the ROM, your skin however can't be placed in the ROM, so it takes up space that could be used by zlauncher instead

[anniebluesky]

Well, I'm glad it is in ROM, but I still have it on my Clie.

What do you mean by my skin? The 3 apps I have to modify how I use the built in launcher? All together they only use 51K...not huge.

[Forbin]

Help,
I downloaded a new launcher skin for my nx60 that I can't install. It is a launcher skin that I downloaded off of Handango. There was a read me file that came with it that said, "open the settings menu of ClieLauncher, choose the "settings" pop-up menu, and select the skin, either with small or big icons.". I could not figure out exactly what this was trying to get me to do because I couldn't find this pop-up menu. It says nothing about having a certain program. The status bar and grafitti pad that came with it work finne through Photoskin.
Forbin

[UI018397]

Originally posted by anniebluesky
I have read so much on launchers, skins and add-ons. It can be daunting. I have chosen the Zen approach. I decided to keep the Clie Launcher that was installed on my NX70 and tweak it to my likings. (Reasoning....I can't get rid of it, and it will take up RAM, so I wanted to make the most of it.) At first I hated it. But, then I started working with it. I also like the tablet mode, so most of the time my hard buttons are hidden. Here is what I have done to improve my system:


Added OKey with 'Scroll Up/Down' enabled. This allows a couple of added bonuses. The up and down scroll button is now arrows that I can tap with my stylus. It also gave me the 4 hard buttons that I had mapped to my most used apps. If I tap on the battery, Agendus pops up. If I tap on the left third of the time area, Quik Budget pops up. When I tap on the middle of the time area, Shadow pops up. When I tap on the right third of the time area, HandyShopper pops up.
The other thing I missed from my Palm 4.0 days is MiddleCaps Hack. But, I have found a good replacement...MemHack. It will make a letter capitalized if you write it in the upper right corner of the 'abc' area of the graffiti silk screen.
I wanted to always have full screen and got tired of  clicking the little arrow to get rid of the graffiti area when I didn't need it. I found KeepWide which remembers if the VG screen was full or hidden when you last used an app. (Very nice.) One added bonus here...when in the launcher, all 12 of my favorite applications are exposed instead of the VG screen eating up 6 of them.
I have edited my Clie Launcher Group to have only 5 categories. That way no scrolling...all are exposed for fast selection.
In the launcher preferences, I chose 'Display: Icon (Small)' to mininize the amount of searching through a category.


This seems to be the most time efficient way to use the built in launcher that I have found. Everything is pretty much at my fingertips and easily accessible.:cool:


Oh ! Thanks for that info regarding MiddleCap like capability in MemHack !!
I missed that feature on my NX too !!

I've just downloaded MemHack and had a peep at its source code... :D
If I have enough time, I might extract that piece of code out and make it more MiddleCap like...;)

[n0m0n]

Well I also use Okey but with a twist...
I have the arrows, and 4 hard buttons apps set for a little program called HBX.
HBX allows one to choose up to 4 apps per hard key, and in this case Okey soft button keys.
Also you can add an additional 4 apps to the calc soft button.
Lets see I also have PageDownHack for additional options in the status bar that Okey does not offer.
I have C1 set for the backspace task, and R3 set for the Command bar, these are 2 commands that I use rather frequently.
I must say that TealMaster will be needed for the use of PageDownHack, and HBX which is also a hack.
They work great.
As for Keep Wide I was excited when I first came across this little [nice idea] app, but found that I could not use it because I use CryptoPad and KeepWide locks
the graffiti area down...
I cant seem to be able to get it to pop up so its deactivated.
Anyway these are my little tweaks.

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by UI018397



If I have enough time, I might extract that piece of code out and make it more MiddleCap like...;)

I for one would be very interested in that if you could tweak that part a bit, to make it more like MiddleCapHack.
Thanks

[bluguru]

Forbin,
I have two of these launcher skins and I can change between them easily by clicking the menu button (bottom left) and going to "options" menue at the top. Select "Preferences" and at the bottom of the window that pops up click the down arrow next to "display." This will list any launcher skins you have installed. You need to install both the big and small icon skins to have that choice in this list. Good luck.

[bluguru]

Forbin, BTW: No you do not need any special program to use or install the skins. Just install the skin and select it. It does not automatically show up like the grafitti and status bar skins (after reset).

[deeps]

Does anyone know where you can get launcher skins 4 free ;)

I'm a cheapskate I know :D

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by UI018397



Oh ! Thanks for that info regarding MiddleCap like capability in MemHack !!
I missed that feature on my NX too !!

I've just downloaded MemHack and had a peep at its source code... :D
If I have enough time, I might extract that piece of code out and make it more MiddleCap like...;)   

If you got MemHack to work more like MiddleCap Hack, that would be great. I used MiddleCap Hack for so long, it is second nature to me. I, also, would appreciate your effort and like to have a copy of the modified program.

 

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by n0m0n
Well I also use Okey but with a twist...
I have the arrows, and 4 hard buttons apps set for a little program called HBX.
HBX allows one to choose up to 4 apps per hard key, and in this case Okey soft button keys.
Also you can add an additional 4 apps to the calc soft button.
Lets see I also have PageDownHack for additional options in the status bar that Okey does not offer.
I have C1 set for the backspace task, and R3 set for the Command bar, these are 2 commands that I use rather frequently.
I must say that TealMaster will be needed for the use of PageDownHack, and HBX which is also a hack.
They work great.
As for Keep Wide I was excited when I first came across this little [nice idea] app, but found that I could not use it because I use CryptoPad and KeepWide locks
the graffiti area down...
I cant seem to be able to get it to pop up so its deactivated.
Anyway these are my little tweaks.

Thanks for the tips. I will look into these programs. Do they both work with the OS5 in NX70? And TealMaster will work also?

[n0m0n]

Originally posted by anniebluesky


Thanks for the tips. I will look into these programs. Do they both work with the OS5 in NX70? And TealMaster will work also?


Yes I own a NX70v.
All will work on a OS5 system.
Also TealMaster is the only hack master that has a emulator that emulates OS4.1.
Now this does not mean that all hacks will work on a OS5 system but I have been
surprised on what I have been able to get to work.

[*Jive Turkey*]

Where did you find Keep Wide? I cannot seem to find it on PalmGear. Thanks!

[Cheechwhiz]

You can also set one of the hard/OKey buttons to invoke "McPhling" or set McPhling itself to popup with a press of the hard "back" button on the side of the case. Either way, you get more rapid access to multiple apps.........

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by anniebluesky
I have read so much on launchers, skins and add-ons. It can be daunting. I have chosen the Zen approach. I decided to keep the Clie Launcher that was installed on my NX70 and tweak it to my likings.[...] You know, I've often considered it...but there's one small thing that annoys me about the built in launcher.  Ok, well, it's not a small thing to me . . . but

WHY DIDN'T THEY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF ALLOWING YOU TO PLACE CARD APPS IN ANY CATEGORY??!!?!?  GEEZ!   It can't be that hard if every other launcher in the world can do it. 

I have well over 70 programs, only 5 or so live in Ram.  The rest reside on my 'main' card.  I don't want them all in the same category.  I'd never be able to find anything.

 :rolleyes:OK.  I'm done.

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by *Jive Turkey*
Where did you find Keep Wide? I cannot seem to find it on PalmGear. Thanks!

You can download it from here:

http://www.geocities.com/nagamatu/KeepWide/index-e.htm

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
You know, I've often considered it...but there's one small thing that annoys me about the built in launcher.  Ok, well, it's not a small thing to me . . . but

WHY DIDN'T THEY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF ALLOWING YOU TO PLACE CARD APPS IN ANY CATEGORY??!!?!?  GEEZ!   It can't be that hard if every other launcher in the world can do it. 

I have well over 70 programs, only 5 or so live in Ram.  The rest reside on my 'main' card.  I don't want them all in the same category.  I'd never be able to find anything. 


 :rolleyes:OK.  I'm done.

 

I can see your problem. I don't have nearly that many programs, and the few I do have on the card run off of PowerRun. I'm sure there is a fix for your situation out there somewhere...I just haven't stumbled across it yet. If I do, I will let you know.

[*Jive Turkey*]

Originally posted by anniebluesky


You can download it from here:

http://www.geocities.com/nagamatu/KeepWide/index-e.htm

Thanks for the heads up. I have contacted the developer asking them to post to PalmGear also. Have a great day!

[mdharris]

The only programs I have on my card is Games. I do keep other info on the card like MP3s and Docs. Everything else is on RAM and sorted within 4 cats and still have 2MB of free RAM. Guess I am not big on having to many programs. Clie Launcher works great for my needs. I have tried other launchers but between the launcher wars and the constant updates Clie Launcher suits my needs and less work.

[captainao]

I use ShortCutz (http://www.palmgear.com/software/showsoftware.cfm?sid=91771020030220123223&prodID=45776) "short cuts" to access MS based apps. Since the shortcuts live in RAM (they're only 1K or so), they can be grouped in the Clie Launcher and added to launching tools that don't recognize the MS(TealLaunch, FitalyVirtual appbar, etc.)

[jwm]

anniebluesky, thanks for some of the useful tips. Like you, I’ve decided to make do with what comes with the NX70V, and, you know, it’s not that bad! I’ve cut back on the number of groups and set it to use small icons, and navigation is now a lot slicker. Think I’ll stay put with the standard Clie launcher for now.

[palmsolo]

You know after reading this thread I decided to see if I could get by with using the CLIE Launcher instead of SilverScreen. I have been using SilverScreen for a couple years starting with my Palm IIIc and put it on my NX before even giving the Sony launcher a chance. After I saw that SilverScreen was taking 1.3MB of my precious RAM and reading this thread I took it off my device.

I use the small icons and set up my categories to as few as practical and have to admit I am pretty happy with the launcher. I use PowerRun for about 30 applications and so far haven't found too much I am missing, except for a quick way to remove old files that might not get deleted. Thanks for the eye opener and suggestion to give the CLIE Launcher a try.

[anniebluesky]

I'm so glad that others have found my tips helpful. I have found another to add to my aresenal. I now use McPhling. And I use it mostly so I can map my MS button on the silkscreen bar to show my most recent apps and a handful of most used (or seldom used...it depends how you want to approach it.) How to do this: in McPhling, hit the activation button | check the buttons/keyboard box | under Apps, select custom | press the MS icon on the bottom bar. :) I leave the back button disabled because I like to use that feature.

[dan3750]

Originally posted by anniebluesky
I have read so much on launchers, skins and add-ons. It can be daunting. I have chosen the Zen approach. I decided to keep the Clie Launcher that was installed on my NX70 and tweak it to my likings....Here is what I have done to improve my system:

 
I have edited my Clie Launcher Group to have only 5 categories. That way no scrolling...all are exposed for fast selection.
In the launcher preferences, I chose 'Display: Icon (Small)' to mininize the amount of searching through a category.


This seems to be the most time efficient way to use the built in launcher that I have found. Everything is pretty much at my fingertips and easily accessible.:cool:

Annie,

I would just like to say that I share your desire for simplicity and lack of clutter in the Clie NX user-interface. There are a number of outstanding third-party launchers out there, and they all have their good points. However, most of them will consume around 1MB of valuable storage RAM, and if your goal is to minimize clutter and maintain true simplicity, they are all a step away from that. They only add to the complexity. And so, after an initial keen dislike for the built-in Clie Launcher, I have finally come back to it. And I think have also found a way to make it very functional for me. Here's what I did:

I edited my ClieLauncher Groups so that each group is given simply a letter designation: A, B, C, etc. For example, under D, I have placed Daynotez, DateBk5, DateBook; under P, I have place PocketLink, PocketMoney, etc. So now all my apps are alphabetized, and by simply selecting the right initial in the groups box, I can bring up the app I am looking for. Not only that, but I can also use the built-in keypad. For example, pressing "d" on the keypad instantly moves the groups box to the apps beginning with a "d". I have found this alphabetical arrangement much more efficient and straighforward than trying to arrange apps into categories of type.

=Dan

 

[jbarr]

I know this is a "Zen Clie" thread, so I am sorry that this may stray a bit, but I feel that it is important to bring into perspective all the options. While all of the various "alternate launcher proponents" can likely list a host of reasons to use a third-party launcher, I will submit that if you require the use of a Memory Stick to store oft-used apps, then I suggest checking out LauncherX. I gave the Clie Launcher a fair try a number of times, and I still come back to LauncherX. And as far as the tips mentioned above, these are EXCELLENT!

All that said, here's why I chose LauncherX over the Clie's native launcher, and why I believe that it still maintains the "Zen Clie" approach:

Launcher X provides four specific functions that let me keep a clean, simple, efficient launcher:

1. Improved Memory Card awareness
To me, this one feature alone makes the program worth its cost and worth learning all its functions. I keep most of my program apps stored on a Memory Stick and LauncherX just "sees" them, but so does the Clie Launcher. The big difference is that LauncherX lets me move the icons into any category I like. This eliminates the single "card" category notorious to the Clie Lanucher. And it's transparant. Rremove the Memory Stick and the associated icons disappear. insert it again, and the associated icons re-appear in the categories where I left them. The Clie Launcher does the same, but keeps all "card apps" in one category. This makes accessing apps a snap (because they can be grouped more logically) and, more importantly, you know what you have access to just by looking at the launcher. Additionally, you can select multiple directories on the Memory Stick that LauncherX "sees" eliminating the need to clutter everything into the /Palm/Launcher directory. Again, this one feature greatly simplifies organizing and grouping apps in a simple, elegant tabbed interface, and is the main reason for my endorsing LauncherX.

2. Built-in file manager
I have used the ClieFiles program, McFile, and LauncherX's built-in "Card Tools" function, and I find I use launcherX's Card Tools gadget 99% of the time. Yes, it adds to the memory footprint, but not significantly, and it seems to provide more details and flexibility than the native ClieFiles program. OK, so this is more of a "bell and whistle" than anything else, but it has proven to be most useful.

3. Memory Footprint
Obviously, by choosing the native Clie Launcher, you are eeking out every last bit of RAM, so the very notion of a third-party launcher means losing RAM. But given point number 1 above, it becomes a non-issue because I can move just about everything to the memory Stick. My installation of LauncherX weighs in at just under 300k or space (not counting the ever-changing "icon cache" file) which is less than just about any other third-party launcher. The result is a clean, efficient, fully customzable, tabbed interface that is "aware" of everything that I have installed, regardless of location. And because of the features listed in point 1 above, I actually now have significantly more free RAM than before using LauncherX.

4. Shortcuts
At first, I just didn't "get" the shortcut concept. I thought, why would I need Shortcuts when LauncherX already "sees" apps in whatever directory I choose on the Memory Stick? But then, I started using programs like "McPhling" and "WonderSilk" and realized that though these programs are PalmOS 5 compatible, they don't necessarily "see" programs located on the Memory Stick. Enter LauncherX's Shortcuts. The effect is exactly like the above mentioned "ShortCutz" app in that LauncherX lets you create a "shortcut" on the HandHeld that points to the "real" app on the Memory Stick. This is significant because to programs like McPhling and WonderSilk, the shortcuts ARE the app. These programs are fooled into thinking that the shortcuts are the real apps, so they launch the shortcuts. When the shortcuts are launched, the "real" apps on the Memory Stick are launched. This provides maximum compatibility. The only downside is that unlike the "icons" that LauncherX creates when it "sees" apps in specific directories, shortcuts do not disappear when you remove the Memory Stick. When you launch these apps, You simply get an error message stating that the app is not found. Oh, and like the "ShortCutz" app, these shortcuts are not "tied" to LauncherX. By that, I mean if you want to use a differenct launcher, the "shortcuts" remain for your use regardless of whether launcherX is installed or used. (Yes, the Shortcuts can be easilly deleted as needed, just like with the "ShortCutz" app.)

Obvoiusly, everyone's goals are different, but for me, my goal is to provide maximum flexibility, the maximum number of usable apps and data, and be able to access the apps and data quickly and efficiently. LauncherX lets me achieve that goal. I have far more apps available than would ever fit into RAM, and have them nicely organized into different categories that the native Clie Launcher would never allow.

OK, it's not necessarily a "Zen" solution, but it is definatly simple and effective.

[palmsolo]

While I agree that a 3rd party launcher is useful for accessing apps on the MS, I have found that using PowerRun with the CLIE Launcher more than satisfies my need. PowerRun allows you to move apps to the MemoryStick and then they show up in the CLIE Launcher with a small asterik (*) in front of them. PowerRun is essential on the CLIE as it allows you to store Netfront on the MS. I am starting to love the CLIE Launcher and don't regret dumping SilverScreen yet. I also use the McPhling program as discussed above.

[T800]

I've gone simpler still. I don't use the new funky Clie launcher but the "standard" Launcher. (menu-options-go to "standard" view). In conjunction with PowerRun, Okey and Jims wondersilk abilities I don't see any need at all for a 3rd party launcher. The thing I really like with this more tabbed approach is that the apps are always in the "same place" visually. You can also show up to 40, yes 40, icons per tab using small icons. The footprint is miniscule and the speed (in my tests) far exceeds even the "OS5" Launcher system and way out paces 3rd party Launchers.

I could never get on with myself having an "app on an app on an app"! Just didn't strike me as the correct PDA way!

My 2cents anyway.

Try It! You might Like It!

Regards
T800

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by dan3750


Annie,

I would just like to say that I share your desire for simplicity and lack of clutter in the Clie NX user-interface. There are a number of outstanding third-party launchers out there, and they all have their good points. However, most of them will consume around 1MB of valuable storage RAM, and if your goal is to minimize clutter and maintain true simplicity, they are all a step away from that. They only add to the complexity. And so, after an initial keen dislike for the built-in Clie Launcher, I have finally come back to it. And I think have also found a way to make it very functional for me. Here's what I did:

I edited my ClieLauncher Groups so that each group is given simply a letter designation: A, B, C, etc. For example, under D, I have placed Daynotez, DateBk5, DateBook; under P, I have place PocketLink, PocketMoney, etc. So now all my apps are alphabetized, and by simply selecting the right initial in the groups box, I can bring up the app I am looking for. Not only that, but I can also use the built-in keypad. For example, pressing "d" on the keypad instantly moves the groups box to the apps beginning with a "d". I have found this alphabetical arrangement much more efficient and straighforward than trying to arrange apps into categories of type.

=Dan

 

Dan, This is an interesting approach. Something I may try. The only downside I can see is the number of groups you have to scroll through (I don't always have the keyboard handy to tap). Maybe I'll trial a modified approach, and group the letters in groups of 3 or 4. Just a thought...

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by jbarr

...All that said, here's why I chose LauncherX over the Clie's native launcher, and why I believe that it still maintains the "Zen Clie" approach:

Launcher X provides four specific functions that let me keep a clean, simple, efficient launcher:

1. Improved Memory Card awareness...

2. Built-in file manager...

3. Memory Footprint... 

4. Shortcuts ...

Obvoiusly, everyone's goals are different, but for me, my goal is to provide maximum flexibility, the maximum number of usable apps and data, and be able to access the apps and data quickly and efficiently. LauncherX lets me achieve that goal. I have far more apps available than would ever fit into RAM, and have them nicely organized into different categories that the native Clie Launcher would never allow.

OK, it's not necessarily a "Zen" solution, but it is definatly simple and effective.

 

Very tempting Jim. And I am such a download junkie. I love trying new programs. I will probably give it a try and see if I find it better than the system I have in place now.

[Submicron]

It's nice that someone uses the Clie Launcher. I'd hate to think someone went to all that trouble to program it for no one. :)

[TheSpies]

I use it with shortcutz (with card hidden) and memhack. works for me.

[anniebluesky]

Well, I looked at LauncherX, ZLauncher, and MegaLauncher. I guess it just rubs me the wrong way using so much RAM for something I already have. I came from a Palm IIIc, and I guess old habits are hard to break....I had to watch the size of apps carefully.  But, out of the 3, my choice would be LauncherX for a couple of reasons. Smaller footprint, the ability to manually place app icons, the ability to hide categories.

There was so much talk about shortcutz, that I had to give it a try. And that solved one problem I had with the ClieLauncher.

In trying these launchers out, I found that I have really grown to like the ClieLauncer set up. And coupled with a few little apps (OKey, MemHack, Shortcutz and McPhling) I find it almost perfect for my needs. I especially like the 12 apps that are always in view via the 'favorites'. And I have a nice skin that makes me happy, thanks to TheSpies for making "Rose":) (I'm waiting for new ones to play with...hint, hint. ;) I check everyday.)

I said that Shortcutz solved one problem. Here is my other problem......Has anyone found a way to hide a category in the built in ClieLauncher? That is my biggest gripe with it. I have several apps that I can't get rid of, and really don't want to look at them. If you have any suggestions, please let me know.

[rogerran]

annie thers an app called ivisiable that lets you hide the apps you dont want to see after you run the program you will have to do a soft rest to start it

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by rogerran
annie thers an app called ivisiable that lets you hide the apps you dont want to see after you run the program you will have to do a soft rest to start it

I have tried 'Invisible', but have not been able to get it to make anything invisible:confused:   Do you have it working on a NX70? I have tried a soft reset and an warm reset...

[Unregistered]

I believe you can keep the shortcuts from LauncherX even if you aren't using the launcher anymore. I am sure some "pro" out there will let us know if that is still true with OS 5 machines.

[Shogmaster]

Originally posted by hansschmucker
Tiny correction. The standard launcher won't take up RAM since it's placed in the ROM,

Huh? How's that possible? You can't work off of your ROM, the stuff in ROM has to be copied to RAM in order for you to use it!

For instance, You can use your Windows CD to boot from, but it can't be used directly from the CD-ROM. It has to be copied into system RAM in order for you to boot your PC.

Someone correct me if things are different on the PDAs.

[NCClie]

I too went back to the original launcher and removed Silverscreen. Thanks to this thread, I'm trying out Okey and Memhack. I'm finding these two apps very useful. I'm also going to try the other tips. Thanks again for the ideas.

[anniebluesky]

Thanks to a post by williamwck in another thread, http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=137171#post137171 he was able to show me how to get invisible to work. You must go into security and 'hide records'. Then I did a soft reset. Apps are hidden that I want.

[Rick 098]

Just a tip, You know how some of the build-in apps have descriptions in the Clie launcher? In information you can add description to 3rd party apps.You can also delete the discriptions if you find them annoying:).

[Rick 098]

Originally posted by dan3750


Annie,

I would just like to say that I share your desire for simplicity and lack of clutter in the Clie NX user-interface. There are a number of outstanding third-party launchers out there, and they all have their good points. However, most of them will consume around 1MB of valuable storage RAM, and if your goal is to minimize clutter and maintain true simplicity, they are all a step away from that. They only add to the complexity. And so, after an initial keen dislike for the built-in Clie Launcher, I have finally come back to it. And I think have also found a way to make it very functional for me. Here's what I did:

I edited my ClieLauncher Groups so that each group is given simply a letter designation: A, B, C, etc. For example, under D, I have placed Daynotez, DateBk5, DateBook; under P, I have place PocketLink, PocketMoney, etc. So now all my apps are alphabetized, and by simply selecting the right initial in the groups box, I can bring up the app I am looking for. Not only that, but I can also use the built-in keypad. For example, pressing "d" on the keypad instantly moves the groups box to the apps beginning with a "d". I have found this alphabetical arrangement much more efficient and straighforward than trying to arrange apps into categories of type.

=Dan

 
ROLEDEX eh?:)

[Rick 098]

Could someone please make a add-on to the clie launcher making it possible to save launcher prefs while experementing with something like alphebetical?
Also would be useful for sometimes using ap type,sometimes alphebetical.

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by Rick 098
Could someone please make a add-on to the clie launcher making it possible to save launcher prefs while experementing with something like alphebetical?
Also would be useful for sometimes using ap type,sometimes alphebetical.

Until that happens, you could use BackupMan and do a backup immediately before you change the launcher. Then if you don't like it, just do a restore to get back to where you started. Not perfect, but will work in a pinch.

[Rick 098]

good idea.

[n2ifp]

Beta testers religiously make oodles of backups.

[TheSpies]

You should only have to copy 2 files:

CLIELauncherDB_App
CLIELauncherDB_Ctgr

Those hold all the information for where everything is filed in the launcher.

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by TheSpies
You should only have to copy 2 files:

CLIELauncherDB_App
CLIELauncherDB_Ctgr

Those hold all the information for where everything is filed in the launcher.

Thanks. I didn't know exactly which ones they were. I would of just done the whole mess, lol.

[*YellowRose*]

Originally posted by Rick 098
Just a tip, You know how some of the build-in apps have descriptions in the Clie launcher? In information you can add description to 3rd party apps.You can also delete the discriptions if you find them annoying:). WOW! I never knew that. You should post this tidbit in the tips & tricks section!

:)

[RaNo]

Originally posted by n0m0n
I must say that TealMaster will be needed for the use of PageDownHack, and HBX which is also a hack.
They work great.

Update:
We have just released HBX 3.0 which now does not need any hack manager on Palm OS 5 (it is a standalone application now).
Please visit: www.ranosoft.net/hbx

[*YellowRose*]

This is SUCH a good thread! :D

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
You know, I've often considered it...but there's one small thing that annoys me about the built in launcher.  Ok, well, it's not a small thing to me . . . but

WHY DIDN'T THEY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF ALLOWING YOU TO PLACE CARD APPS IN ANY CATEGORY??!!?!?  GEEZ!   It can't be that hard if every other launcher in the world can do it. 

I have well over 70 programs, only 5 or so live in Ram.  The rest reside on my 'main' card.  I don't want them all in the same category.  I'd never be able to find anything.

 :rolleyes:OK.  I'm done.

I just was reading through this thread since it was bumped up again, and I saw this post of YellowRose's. I don't know why I didn't say this sooner, but.....PowerRun is the solution to this problem. And I agree, the CLIE Launcher should have it built in. *sigh*

BTW, I love this thread too!!! :D

[dan3750]

Hi!

I've just downloaded Hi-Launcher and am playing around with it. It's very impressive -- highly customizable -- and in keeping with the spirit of Zen, very minimalist -- using not much more than 100k when fully customized.

Seems to me that H-L would be a good way to bring enhance the ClieLauncher, to give it a little more substance. The two seem to work very well together!

=Dan

 

 

[dan3750]

Well:  Scratch that idea.

I've had nothing but problems with this so-called Hi-Launcher. It looked promising, but after I set up the menu and use it a few times, suddenly everything inside it just disappears and I'm left with a white balloon instead.  

That white balloon is a bit too Zen for me....

=Dan

 

[ClieDad]

Originally posted by *YellowRose*
You know, I've often considered it...but there's one small thing that annoys me about the built in launcher.  Ok, well, it's not a small thing to me . . . but

WHY DIDN'T THEY GO TO THE TROUBLE OF ALLOWING YOU TO PLACE CARD APPS IN ANY CATEGORY??!!?!?  GEEZ!   It can't be that hard if every other launcher in the world can do it. 

I have well over 70 programs, only 5 or so live in Ram.  The rest reside on my 'main' card.  I don't want them all in the same category.  I'd never be able to find anything.

 :rolleyes:OK.  I'm done. :

Yeah, and they give you a whopping 11 MB of that RAM to work with!

:eek:

[Dropzone]

Originally posted by dan3750
Well:  Scratch that idea.

I've had nothing but problems with this so-called Hi-Launcher. It looked promising, but after I set up the menu and use it a few times, suddenly everything inside it just disappears and I'm left with a white balloon instead.  

That white balloon is a bit too Zen for me....

=Dan

 

 

It happens when you used a pirated version. :D

 

Spend some money and get out of it. :)

[anniebluesky]

I just discovered a replacement for MiddleCapHack called Capitalizer (http://www.palmgear.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=software.showsoftware&sid=837DB984-60DC-494F-91FB267F9775B000&prodID=52287). It was developed by our own fellow ClieSource member, pruss. (Thanks!!! :) )

[*YellowRose*]

YAY! Thanks for the heads up!

[bugga]

AH thanks... exactly what i needed. :)

[deezire71]

I thought I would give this a try, as well. I would normally use zlauncher, but it takes up a little more space than I want, even though it's not much. It also has the "run from memory stick", but I downloaded PowerRUN, and really didn't like the way it works. Trying Okey, as well, but I don't understand what it does, exactly. I get 2 options, Super Jog Assist, and Sleep On Close. I like the sleep option, but super jog assist??? I've loaded several different apps, & tried what the manual says, but still don't get it! LOL... Anyway, it brings me to this: 1) Is there another program, like PowerRUN, that's just as easy to use? I will probably keep it, but may go back to zlauncher in the future, since it gives me that option to run off of the card. and 2) Just how DOES that Super Jog Assist work on Okey? Annie said something earlier in this thread that she uses it for scrolling. I see no difference. Thanks!!! Just wanting to make sure my NX70 is clutter-free & simple to use, as well!!!

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by deezire71
Just how DOES that Super Jog Assist work on Okey? Annie said something earlier in this thread that she uses it for scrolling. I see no difference.

I never could find a difference with the 'super jog assist' either. I'm probably just missing something. Does anyone else see a difference in the jog wheel with this enabled?

But, what I was refering to about the scrolling...I use the 2 arrows it puts on the status bar to scroll.

BTW, I love the 'sleep on close' option, also.

[deezire71]

Originally posted by anniebluesky


But, what I was refering to about the scrolling...I use the 2 arrows it puts on the status bar to scroll.


OK, one more question.... I'm not finding the arrows on the status bar. Is this a flaw in the new version (1.2.2)? Or was it just in a previous version, because I installed it, & the Silk Launcher thing, & couldn't find them.

[anniebluesky]

Originally posted by deezire71

OK, one more question.... I'm not finding the arrows on the status bar. Is this a flaw in the new version (1.2.2)? Or was it just in a previous version, because I installed it, & the Silk Launcher thing, & couldn't find them.

hmmm, I know this may sound silly, but do you have the 'scroll up/down' square checked? But, it could be a bug. I'm using version 1.2.1. I hope you get it working...it is one of my most used features.

[deezire71]

annie, I don't even have that option. :( Just have the jog assist, & sleep. I think I'm missing a file that was supposed to be included. Still doing a search, but I might have to ask someone for an earlier version.

[anniebluesky]

I'm not at my computer, but if you don't have the earlier version when I get to it tomorrow, I will send it. PM me and let me know if you get it or not.