NF3.1 to work with just plain UX50?

[qaz]

Ok I am sorry if you guys have seen thsis question but I have read the threads that cover the NF31 these weeks and all say use some Launcher prog to copy it.

I am a werid guy that dont want to use any Launcher prog.
So have anyone managed to copy over it with just ClieFiles
or FileZ or any other Freeware and got it to work.

Can you describe how to get it work and how to copy it?

Anyone that have located why the error shows up, that need softreset whe exiting NF31?

[orol]

if you put NF 3.1 in ram it works just fine. no problems with that

gee it SO MUCH faster.

[eskasi]

I never had that error running off MS....

As far as I know, if you want to run it and keep it in RAM, any file manager can do it with the exception of Filez.....for some reason, this was also the case for the modded NF3.0.

All I did was copy the prc to the Launcher folder on my MSpro (using my PCMCIA card reader), pop it into my UX and ran the app. I did not take long to boot up and when I exit NF3.1, it also is removed from RAM and back to card.

Cache, cookies and all other files will remain in RAM though....wish there was some way/option to have it in MS instead like Avantgo.

[qaz]

But what name did you use when you copied over the file ?
Seems like it works then on MS Launcher and RAM

How about AliesExt
What versions of UX50 do you use? I have EU-ver bought from UK
I will try it now.

[eskasi]

Have not tried AliasExt....don't need to. I got a 1gb MS Pro and it works fine from it.

Make sure you name it Netfront3. Thats what I did before copying it to MS.

[winexprt]

FileZ can't do it. I tried many times with no success.

[CLEAmber]

I have not been able to get it to run from internal media or the ms either. I have tried EVERYTHING I know of to get this working. If anyone has additional success, please let us know how you did it.

[winexprt]

Originally posted by CLEAmber
I have not been able to get it to run from internal media or the ms either. I have tried EVERYTHING I know of to get this working. If anyone has additional success, please let us know how you did it.


Really!?? You haven't been able to get it working at all!? From anywhere? That's not good! ;)

p.s. i love checking out that photo blog of yours. i feel like a voyeur though! LOL

[Wytnucls]

Amber, try again as AppShelf will move it to RAM for you. Read the last posts in the AppShelf thread.

[Manny]

Originally posted by Wytnucls
Amber, try again as AppShelf will move it to RAM for you. Read the last posts in the AppShelf thread.

Off topic...but saw your avatar...Knights Templar?

[Wytnucls]

Very good!

[Chron]

wytnucls cool templar avatar... manny what u still doin up

sorry im off topic...

installed new nf3.1 to card from reader moved to palm and started setting up... then moved the nf3.1 prc only to card with zlauncher ... testing now will see what happens

[Chron]

no joi here on the run from stick... am open to suggestions

[TotalDeejay]

A very good and simple way to install it with the tools everyone has:

1) Make sure Netfront 3.0 is in RAM move it from Flash to RAM if you use Jackflash
2) Use MS Backup to do a complete backup of RAM to MS
3) Copy Netfront 3.1 PRC file to Memorystick using MS Import or hotsync it to MS.
4) Use Clie files to replace Netfront3.prc file in the backup folder with the 3.1 version.
5) (optional) perform a hard reset to clean your Clié
6) Restore Backup using MS Backup.
7) Enjoy

This worked for me when other methods (using Power Run) failed, ending up in crashing my Clié. The method above is easy and foolproof.

[CLEAmber]

Originally posted by winexprt



Really!?? You haven't been able to get it working at all!? From anywhere? That's not good! ;)

p.s. i love checking out that photo blog of yours. i feel like a voyeur though! LOL

Oh, no, winexprt, I am able to get it running from RAM! I would just prefer to be able to keep it in internal media or the memory stick because of the size (I am down to 6.2 megs free).

Thank you, by the way, for the comment on the moblog. I am nearly as addicted to that as I am to this forum ;)

[dpascar]

Amber, Same problem here. Not only does 3.1 take up 2 meg but you can't erase the 2 meg of 3.0 that is on ROM!!!!

I am hearing that Jackflash doesn't work on UX series so I am not sure of any other package that can eliminate ROM programs.

I was able to get it running on my Mediastick through zlauncher in the palm/lancher folder. The only issue is that it would crash every time I left the browser and had to soft reboot. Finally just put it in RAM. Works great.

I am reading about using aliasext on Int. Media but from what I see it writes to RAM as well. Don't know if this frees up any room or not.

You are lucky as well. I only have 3.8Meg on my palm... I am going to move a bunch of stuff to aliasext. Especially games and docstogo.

Dan

[Eddy]

I've tried AliasExt folder but NF3.1 automatically copied to RAM. Perhaps becaues I'm using AppShelf Launcher? I haven't tried NF3.1 with ZLauncher though. But as far as I know, NF3.1 already created some DB files in RAM & remap itself over the previous NF3.0, because NF3.1 launches everytime when I press the Hard button on the UX50. :(

Oh, BTW, according to the previous page, AppShelf will move applications to RAM & leave it there? :confused: I didn't know that this was the unfortunate case. I might switch back to ZLauncher4 then.
I still have it stored in RAM, (both AppShelf & ZLauncher), plus NF3.1 & still maintaining 6MB RAM. luckily..... :p

Talking about Launchers, what do you guys think about AppShelf? I've just started playing with it since I like the simple interface. But not sure if that'll be here to stay as permanent so I'm keeping ZLauncher at the same time. :)

But good luck with moving DTG files to internal media, Dan! ;)

[CLEAmber]

I absolutely LOVE AppShelf. I have tried every launcher I have ever heard of and was never satisfied, always choosing to move back to the default launcher. I will never get rid of this now..

[xynos]

appshelf is great, but appshelf + hi-launcher is awesome! :)

[Chron]

this is a reply from the makers of jack flash
"The Development Team does not believe that they will be able to support the US50. They did not specify the reason but it could be Sony's implementation of the OS on that very high end device or it could require a completely new version. Either way, it is not likely.

The Support Team
Brayder Technologies Inc."

[CLEAmber]

I have not yet had the chance to try hi-launcher. I may give it a go this weekend. It is similar to McPhling, correct?

[Wytnucls]

McPhling on steroids!

[aliasx]

I am able to run Netfront 3.1 from Internal Media. Here's how it worked for me:
1) Change name of app Netfront 3.1 to Netfront3.
2) Hotsync to Memory Stick.
3) Using the file manager in Zlauncher copy the file to main Internal Media (the PDA Icon not AliasExt).
4) Goto Internal Media, locate the file Netfront 3.1 (should read as such even though you changed the name to Netfront3) and with Zlauncher create a shortcut to RAM.

Locate the shortcut in RAM and thats it. It has been working flawlessly for me. I am actually responding to this post using NF 3.1

[Manny]

Originally posted by aliasx
I am able to run Netfront 3.1 from Internal Media. Here's how it worked for me:
1) Change name of app Netfront 3.1 to Netfront3.
2) Hotsync to Memory Stick.
3) Using the file manager in Zlauncher copy the file to main Internal Media (the PDA Icon not AliasExt).
4) Goto Internal Media, locate the file Netfront 3.1 (should read as such even though you changed the name to Netfront3) and with Zlauncher create a shortcut to RAM.

Locate the shortcut in RAM and thats it. It has been working flawlessly for me. I am actually responding to this post using NF 3.1

Exellent, thnx for this!

[dpascar]

Manny, Let me know if the Inernal media transfer works for you as well. I usually like to have two people try something before I venture!! Thanks,

Dan

[klimson]

so any possibility 2 replace v.3.0 to 3.1 in ROM........?

[klimson]

so any possibility 2 replace v.3.0 to 3.1 in ROM........?

[dpascar]

GOOD LUCK with that Klimson....... There is no current product to even allow you to erase a file in ROM with the UX50. I would find it hard to believe that you would be able to replace......

Then again, what do I know.. ;)

Dan

[Eddy]

Originally posted by dpascar
GOOD LUCK with that Klimson....... There is no current product to even allow you to erase a file in ROM with the UX50. I would find it hard to believe that you would be able to replace......

Then again, what do I know..

Dan
Hey Dan, guess what, I made a mistake with the DTG6, I just went & double checked today, the actual DTG.prc file needs to be in RAM in order to Hotsync. I didn't even realize that it hasn't been hotsyncing with DTG on the PC. :(
& with the case of NF3.1 I think the above post has already a solution eh? I'll give that a try. But yet what if I don't want to use ZLauncher? I mean though I have it installed. (thinking....)

I read somewhere that you can change the Creator ID then even if you store NF3.1 in internal memory, it won't overwrite in RAM. Sounds like another challenging experiment. :D

[Eddy]

Oh, regarding to NF3.1, I think lmame is working on a modified version that will simply allow you to store NF3.1 in internal media without all the work arounds too. :D

[Manny]

Originally posted by dpascar
Manny, Let me know if the Inernal media transfer works for you as well. I usually like to have two people try something before I venture!! Thanks,

Dan

Yep it worked, after a couple of tries.


Hotsync'd NetFront3.prc to memory stick.
ZLauncher's File Manager-moved file to Int. Media, to PDA icon, not AliasExt folder.
ZLauncher-in the regular view (not File Manager), from the Int. Media folder /category view, clicked/held on the file and then in the pop-up window, clicked on Create Shortcut
NetFront 3.1*  showed up  in my 'Net' category folder, adjacent to NetFront 3.0.


Now when I launch 3.1, it copies the app to RAM and runs. No crashing/reset occuring when I exit 3.1 (finally); and my RAM memory isn't hogged up with 3.1 since it's in the Int. Media area. Below is a link to the screenshot of my UX50:

http://www.ux50.properauthority.com/downloads/screenshot.jpg

[bugladydi]

Could somebody please tell me how to create a shortcut to RAM in Zlauncher? I do not have anything that says "Create a Shortcut" in the pop up list. I HAVE to get this thing working soon so I can get some sleep!!!

[Manny]

In ZLauncher, go to the Int.Media category folder and find the app.

Then click/hold for a second or so on the app, and a pop up box appears.

Click on "Short Cut".

Hope this helped.

[bugladydi]

Thanks Manny - I do not have this on my Zlauncher. Nothing in the pop up that says "short cut". Weird. I followed another post that suggests putting it in the launcher folder in Internal Media and now it is working just fine. Now I have 3.0 in RAM, 3.1 Internal Media and 3.1 on my memory stick. Netfront everywhere!!! Aggghh!

[bugladydi]

Now can someone tell me why I get "Invalid Network Setting" whenever I surf to ClieSource while using 3.1? Nowhere else (so far)?

[Eddy]

Thanks Manny & to all others that have found a good solution to using NF3.1 within Internal Media without crashing. :D
Now off to browsing with NF3.1 with ZLauncher. :p
Not too sure of the "invalid Network Setting" though... :confused:

[Manny]

Originally posted by bugladydi
Thanks Manny - I do not have this on my Zlauncher. Nothing in the pop up that says "short cut". Weird. I followed another post that suggests putting it in the launcher folder in Internal Media and now it is working just fine. Now I have 3.0 in RAM, 3.1 Internal Media and 3.1 on my memory stick. Netfront everywhere!!! Aggghh!

I'm sorry, I should have mentioned that I'm running ZL v3.70.2, which may be a reason in the difference from what you're seeing....I haven't revised my ZL to the recent version yet and perhaps you're running 4.01.

[bugladydi]

Yup - running 4.01 and it does not have this feature. It is working great from the launcher folder in Internal Media though. With this latest version it is a pleasure to surf the net again!

I do get "Invalid Network Settings" whenever I try to go on ClieSource or ClieSource Mobile. Nowhere else. Have to dork around with this now to see why.

[Manny]

Originally posted by bugladydi
Yup - running 4.01 and it does not have this feature. It is working great from the launcher folder in Internal Media though. With this latest version it is a pleasure to surf the net again!

I do get "Invalid Network Settings" whenever I try to go on ClieSource or ClieSource Mobile. Nowhere else. Have to dork around with this now to see why.

In ZL 4.01, perhaps there's a "Category" item in the pop-up box, to place a shortcut in whatever category folder you want....

[jfgarciamex]

Hi there!

I think I found a new way to launch NetFront 3.1... I just changed the name of the prc and added ".1" (from Netfront3.prc to NetFront3.1.prc") and changed the creator ID from NF3T to NF31... and it worked from the memory card and internal media and even with AliasExt... give it a try! at least it worked for me! :D

[CLEAmber]

Are you serious?!?! I am trying it right now!

[etedeschi]

Originally posted by Wytnucls
Amber, try again as AppShelf will move it to RAM for you. Read the last posts in the AppShelf thread.

Hi

what "moving to RAM" means please? I thought that anything in RAM would cease to be there after you switched any computer off!

???

enrico

[arth1]

Yes, the contents of RAM will disappear when you turn the device off. However, you can't turn a Palm off -- it just enters a standby state, where a minimum trickle of electricity is provided to keep the clock running (for alarms) and the RAM charged.

The exception to the above is the UX50's Power Saving Mode, which is a combination of saving the RAM to NVRAM[1] and turning the device off. The UX50 is probably the only Palm PDA that can be turned off.

[1]: NVRAM = Non-Volatile Random Access Memory. Solid State storage that keeps the contents without a refresh like normal RAM, but which is much slower.

Regards,
--
*Art

[etedeschi]

Originally posted by arth1
Yes, the contents of RAM will disappear when you turn the device off. However, you can't turn a Palm off -- it just enters a standby state, where a minimum trickle of electricity is provided to keep the clock running (for alarms) and the RAM charged.

The exception to the above is the UX50's Power Saving Mode, which is a combination of saving the RAM to NVRAM[1] and turning the device off. The UX50 is probably the only Palm PDA that can be turned off.

[1]: NVRAM = Non-Volatile Random Access Memory. Solid State storage that keeps the contents without a refresh like normal RAM, but which is much slower.

Regards,
--
*Art

I STILL don't understand what "moving to RAM" means and why and how do I do it...

thanks

enrico

[arth1]

In this case, they're talking about storing programs on external (NVRAM) storage, in a way that's compatible with their launcher software. When saying "moving to RAM", they mean that the launcher they use (AppShelf) is able to copy the application from NVRAM to RAM when you start the application.

[qaz]

@ jfgarciamex were you using any Launche prog to have it
work from Internal Media and MemoryStick after changing their names and creatior ID?.
What prog did you copy over them with?


@ CLEAmber did it work as jfgarciamex described?
Maybe I try this method too.

[anand78]

Originally posted by CLEAmber


Oh, no, winexprt, I am able to get it running from RAM! I would just prefer to be able to keep it in internal media or the memory stick because of the size (I am down to 6.2 megs free).

Thank you, by the way, for the comment on the moblog. I am nearly as addicted to that as I am to this forum ;)


Heres the DEal use filez to rename the file usually the name of the file is netfront3.prc change it to netfron3.1 and you can move the file to ROM by Jackflash. It worked for me only gripe being that before a soft reset I got just 1 Icon that has changed to 2 . But I get a nefront3 and a nefront3.1 file so no biggie.

[jfgarciamex]

I used FileZ... and another important fact... remove all attributes for the prc but Resource DB... this will allow you to move the prc to RAM and cards!

Hope this helps! :cool:

[jychan28]

Please Help!!
Seems like everybody and his/her cousins can get this NF3.1 running. Why my version just simply did show up at all? Can't move it to RAM either. It said not enough room for data storage. I have about 3Meg left. Why not? How can I tell the version is 3.1 or 3.0? I am using LauncherX. MS pro256.

[TotalDeejay]

Jychan:

Did you read the threads ??? It's all in there!

[jychan28]

Yes, TotalDeejay. from page 1 to 4.
The strange thing was if I moved the MS to my friend's machine, NetFront 3.1 showed up in card but still ran just 3.0. I don't use Zlauncher or AppShelf. I just want to know how am I sure the version I got is 3.1 and not 3.0.

[TotalDeejay]

Originally posted by jychan28
I just want to know how am I sure the version I got is 3.1 and not 3.0.

Start Netfront then open Options menu and then select "about"...

[Eddy]

I've been trying to run NF31 from MS with ZLauncher, it loads up with webpages, but soft-reset upon disconnection. I have read all materials & threads there are. I just got fed up & stored it in RAM (RAM now = 7.8). :(

One thing I was curious about, can everybody launch NF3.1 from the "hard button"? Or just by tapping on the ZLauncher shortcut?
I realize that for the hard buttons, there's only one NetFront3* to choose from (which is assumingly correct because it launches NF3.1). So is it in anyway causing the crash? Anything to do with the Creator IDs & file names? I won't stop trying though. :D

I used FileZ... and another important fact... remove all attributes for the prc but Resource DB... this will allow you to move the prc to RAM and cards!

I'll give the attributes a try as mentioned above. :)

[jychan28]

I got it working with Zlauncher. I was using LauncherX because I like it and it use less resources than Zlanucher. But with this NF3.1, something strange with this file and how things can react with the ROM program.

[Eddy]

Originally posted by jychan28
I got it working with Zlauncher. I was using LauncherX because I like it and it use less resources than Zlanucher. But with this NF3.1, something strange with this file and how things can react with the ROM program.
Well, yeah, wierd I would say. I still can't get it to work properly with ZLauncher. I get 2 icons & created shortcut even played with user IDs. Launcher runs fine but crashes after a short while. I'd suppose everybody got theirs working fine already. :(

I'm using a JP UX50 with NF3.1 JP so there shouldn't be much problems. Also can't get the "full screen Shell program" to work neither. :(

[jychan28]

If I run the program through a short cut, then it open as NF3.0

[Eddy]

Finally I think I've narrowed down the problem behind NF3.1 not being able to launch with ZLauncher. ;)

I've BToggle application installed & is set to automatically turn ON Bluetooth when NF browser is being used. I've turned off the Bluetooth automatic function & now manually turns on BT, & things seems to be fine so far, no crash within ZLauncher & no soft-reset! I'm just running NF3.1 directly off MS with ZLauncher's shortcut. Cool. Hope nothing goes wrong. :D :D