1src Forums - Clie Organizer Thread

rldunn

02-22-2004, 10:42 AM

I think that since the Clie Organizer (CO) is one of the most unique features to come on a PDA in years, if ever, it probably deserves it's own thread. To prevent a whole bunch of Clie Organizer threads in this rush after the TH just got in stores, I think I'll sticky this one to for awhile. Let me know if you think I've stickied too many threads in this forum, but hopefully it will make it easier to find specific information on the info people are looking for right now, rather than having to search through many threads.

Now, on topic, I'm still not sure what to make of the Clie Organizer. I just got my TH yesterday, and by last night when I went to bed, I was ready to give up on it forever. However, when I woke up, I tried it out again, and it's unique features seem so useful that I'm going to give it another shot. Here's some random thoughts:

1) After dealing with the pathetic Clie Viewer in the past, I was very concerned that it would take forever to find the stuff I wanted to drag and drop. This is not the case. Clie Viewer is so much improved, it's almost like a new app.

2) This should almost be 1a. I'm not sure what that area containing the pics, notes, and voice recording is called, but we should come up with a name. I'll use Drag & Drop Bar (DDB) for now, but I'm not sure that's a great name. Anyways, the DDB has a date box. When you click on it and choose a date, the DDB only shows pics, notes, and voice recordings from the date you chose (or the closest date if the date you chose had none). This makes it very easy to find the stuff you want to drag & drop, unless you want to drag a really old pic or note. However, given how this will likely be used, I think it's pretty likely that you would want to drag & drop something that was created recently, so it should work good.

3) I can't believe I'm excited about an eraser, but I am. This eraser is actually a smart eraser. Rather than having to worry about hitting every little pixel, if you want to erase a word you wrote, just tap on the eraser, and do a quick squiggle over the word. This is hard to describe in text, but it's just like if you wanted to cross out a word on paper. You need to do more than make a single line, but if you do a quick squiggle, the whole word is erased. Very cool!!

4) I could maybe give up having colors of an appointment automatically assigned when you choose an appt category, as is done in DB5, since tapping the color for each appointment isn't that hard. But why oh why did they choose THOSE colors!! They are all pastels - purple and pinks and yellow and orange. Why don't they let you change the color pallette!! I want blues and reds and something a little more manly!!

5) I have not found speed to be an issue at all. There is a small lag, but for all of my stuff, it's well under a second. They have also made some concessions to the slower processor. For example, in the Free notes section, all the handwriting is first filled in using a very narrow line. That part is done almost instantaneous. Then, it goes back and slowly makes all the lines their normal width. I think that's a great compromise. In the DB part, after adding a bunch of handwriting and notes (at least on this week and some of my months), there was no noticeable slowdown. Maybe when you do this for a full year, it's a problem, but I think the purge feature will help with this.

6) I love the new address book with the tabs on top (for ABC, DEF, etc). I know, a lot of commercial apps have had this for years, but I don't use enough contacts in my work to justify them, so this is great for me!!

7) I wish you could drag a todo onto the DB screen or be able to set an alarm on a todo. You can view todos on the DDB part of the DB screen, but it's not the same. And actually, it's a little frustrating, since you expect things in the DDB to be draggable.

8) I love being able to have either linkable free notes from the DB and also being able to handwrite on the screen. I think this will be a great feature - probably the one that would make me give up DB5 if I decide it's worth it.

That's it for now. I'm still not sure whether I'll be using this or going back to DB5. Each has it's own strengths - it would be great to combine them. Even if I decide to go with CO, I may keep DB5 around for floating events and todos that need alarms. They seem to stay out of each other's way for the most part.

Griff

02-22-2004, 11:07 AM

Has anyone found a way to filter the todo items displayed in the DDB when you choose Todo?  I looked and looked but couldn't find it.

The freenotes really are pretty neat.  I can certainly see using them for "Home Depot" lists and the like.  Jot down what you need, cross it off as you go.

As far as the rest of the Organizer, it's a bit too limited for my needs.  I really need the ability to have preset views of todo items available. 

ifonline

02-22-2004, 11:45 AM

3) I can't believe I'm excited about an eraser, but I am. This eraser is actually a smart eraser. Rather than having to worry about hitting every little pixel, if you want to erase a word you wrote, just tap on the eraser, and do a quick squiggle over the word. This is hard to describe in text, but it's just like if you wanted to cross out a word on paper. You need to do more than make a single line, but if you do a quick squiggle, the whole word is erased. Very cool!!

Your description reminds me of the old Newton MessagePad. Ever have one? If you wanted to erase a word, you drew a mark similar to a lighting bolt or a spring on its side, and the word dissapeared in a puff of smoke (it actually had the animation, as I remember).

LupeValenz

02-22-2004, 12:45 PM

Anyone found out how to take the MS tag off the icons for the clie organizer? I know all you need is to put the image in ram but I like having all themes/icons on one MS. So far I haven't had any luck :(.

ignar

02-22-2004, 12:48 PM

Well, my To do screen takes 6 to 7 seconds waiting. I have only about 20 items there though many of them are recurrence ones. Only change I made to the default setting was let it display the due dates along with the items.

Palmguru

02-22-2004, 01:33 PM

No way I am giving up my Datebk5 for THIS!

Griff

02-22-2004, 02:02 PM

My todo screen took a long time to load too...at least w/in Clie Organizer.  I did see that they have the old "classic" apps installed too.  They really did this upgrade right, unlike Palm with the T3.

I think I will likely stick with DB5 and ShadowPlan for my every day life.  I do plan to use the Free Notes feature for making lists and whatnot.  There's just something nice about crossing something off in a store.

My hope is that Sony will upgrade the Organizer program AND provide that upgrade to the early adopters.  There are some definite places it could improve.

Palmguru

02-22-2004, 02:38 PM

Why can't you just cross it off in Datebk5 or Shadow? It only looks classier IMO.

Reggie

02-22-2004, 05:04 PM

Some things to add:

1. The new MemoPad can hold up to 32K! (before it was just 4K). At, least there is now a place to store notes that you will be typing for example.
2. The smart eraser functions very similar to how tablet PC erasing functions, it looks for the whole contiguous line, and erases it (them).
3. You can now put an alarm on a FreeNote ala Bug Me. :)

More to come. I'll be releasing two reviews soon -- Clie Organizer and TH55 (yes, separated). ;)

Griff

02-22-2004, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Palmguru
Why can't you just cross it off in Datebk5 or Shadow? It only looks classier IMO.

Some things just don't belong in a rigid data format.  For me quick lists like a Home Depot run just don't belong in Shadow or DB5.  Plus it takes alot less time to scribble down 5 items to get than to try to G2 or Decuma them in.

 

rolando

02-22-2004, 05:24 PM

For those who are having the long delays when todos are loading, have you tried purging old todos? Some people never do that and it can take up time as the processor sorts through which are still pending and which are still done.

Rolando

rldunn

02-22-2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by rolando
For those who are having the long delays when todos are loading, have you tried purging old todos? Some people never do that and it can take up time as the processor sorts through which are still pending and which are still done.

Rolando I was just going to suggest that as well. I purge my completed todos often, and my todo screen comes up very fast.

rldunn

02-22-2004, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by LupeValenz
Anyone found out how to take the MS tag off the icons for the clie organizer? I know all you need is to put the image in ram but I like having all themes/icons on one MS. So far I haven't had any luck :(. I don't think that's possible.

Wytnucls

02-22-2004, 09:18 PM

I have 3 questions:
1. Is the app using the built-in palm databases?
2. Can you span an appointment over several days?
3. Has anyone tried to sync with Outlook?

Reggie

02-23-2004, 12:13 AM

Answers:
1. Yes, plus some extensions.
2. Still no.
3. You have to use the included Intellisync Lite.

LazyB

02-23-2004, 03:25 AM

Would really appreciate some more details on the to do part of Clie Organizer - very little has been said by anybody about this.

In particular:

[list=1]
Does the application have a repeat function?
Can sub-items/branches in the tree view be assigned different categories from their parents?
When filtering by category, do sub-items show up without their parents if the parent has a different category to the one selected?
Is there an option to 'show only due items'? (I hate the way you can't do this on the new Palms!)
I understand you cannot set an alarm for to dos. Isn't it possible to link to a 'free note' which has an alarm?
[/list=1]

As regards 'Free notes': is each free note limited to just a single screen/page?

Sorry to bombard all you new TH55 owners with so many questions, but it could be some time before I can get my hands on one here in the UK!

Thanks in advance.

LazyB

LazyB

02-23-2004, 03:30 AM

Oops! Just a couple more questions (for now!).

Can you use drag and drop in the to do app to move items around.

Can you collapse parent items in the tree view like you can in other outliners.

Thanks once again for your time.

LazyB

Reggie

02-23-2004, 08:34 AM

Originally posted by LazyB
[list=1]
Does the application have a repeat function?
Can sub-items/branches in the tree view be assigned different categories from their parents?
When filtering by category, do sub-items show up without their parents if the parent has a different category to the one selected?
Is there an option to 'show only due items'? (I hate the way you can't do this on the new Palms!)
I understand you cannot set an alarm for to dos. Isn't it possible to link to a 'free note' which has an alarm?
[/list=1]

1. I'm not sure what you mean by Repeat but if you are talking about Datebook events repeating daily, weekly, monthy, and annually, then yes.
2. Yes.
3. No. But if you select the filter by a certain category where the primary parent belongs to, then you see the children, even if the children are of different categories. In other words, it filters only the top most level.
4. Yes.
5. No alarm for To Do items, but yes you can attach a Free Note with an alarm.

Reggie

02-23-2004, 08:36 AM

Originally posted by LazyB
1. Can you use drag and drop in the to do app to move items around.
2. Can you collapse parent items in the tree view like you can in other outliners.

1. No.
2. Yes. It works like a standard tree view.

jhruth

02-23-2004, 08:43 AM

Has anyone tried a program like Fast CPU to speed up the Clie Organizer? I think that might work - but I can't install anything on my CLIE right now - my PC crapped out on me..... anyone brave enough to try it and see if it speeds things up?

broadus

02-23-2004, 09:14 AM

One of the primary reasons why I ordered the TH55, but by no means the only, was the Clie Organizer. As I researched which PDA to purchase as a first, I considered that I would need to buy a 3rd party application for improved PIM. Buying the TH55 with the Organizer, however, I anticipated that I would not have to purchase anything else, thereby making its price somewhat closer to the TJ37.

For those who have used the Organizer and have another app that you like (such at DB5), do you think that you would have been more satisfied with the Organizer had you not grown attached to your other application? Very hypothetical, I know, but please humor me as I wait for my order to get here!

Thanks,
Bill

rldunn

02-23-2004, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by broadus
For those who have used the Organizer and have another app that you like (such at DB5), do you think that you would have been more satisfied with the Organizer had you not grown attached to your other application? Very hypothetical, I know, but please humor me as I wait for my order to get here!I think it's a valid question. I definitely think people will be more interested in the CO if they weren't already used to something else. It's just human nature - we like what we're comfortable with, so if you're not comfortable with anything, it's easier to adapt. Even so, I'll bet some people will switch from their old PIM software - I may do so even though I considered DB5 to be my most-used and favorite Palm OS app.

Unregistered

02-23-2004, 10:41 AM

I have two questions:

1. Is there a desktop equivalent to the Organizer, or is it just found on the TH?

2. Can Todos be sorted?

Thanks

rldunn

02-23-2004, 10:51 AM

1) Yes, there is a desktop version of CO.

2) Not that I've been able to find. It just has the default sorting by due date.

madmaxmedia

02-23-2004, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by broadus
For those who have used the Organizer and have another app that you like (such at DB5), do you think that you would have been more satisfied with the Organizer had you not grown attached to your other application? Very hypothetical, I know, but please humor me as I wait for my order to get here!

Thanks,
Bill

It seems CLIE Organizer is very different than DB5 or Agendus, they are for different users. DB5 and other 3rd party programs are typically more for power users who do a lot of organizing and detailing with them.

CLIE Organizer seems to be very versatile and multimedia-oriented, but more for general users.

So they really have strengths in different areas, which program is best will depend on your needs. If you've actually done fine with the default Palm apps, you may very well find that CLIE Organizer is the better choice for you.

LazyB

02-23-2004, 12:35 PM

Thanks for your quick replies to my earlier questions, rldunn, they were really useful.

Just a couple more questions:

1. Are you sure you cannot sort to dos by anything other than due date? Sony's website says you can sort by all the usual fields, ie. due date, priority, category.

2. All the screenshots I have seen of the new to do app show space taken up with a column for priorities and a column for due dates. Is it possible to hide either/both of these?

Thanks once again for your help.

LazyB

rldunn

02-23-2004, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by LazyB
1. Are you sure you cannot sort to dos by anything other than due date? Sony's website says you can sort by all the usual fields, ie. due date, priority, category.

2. All the screenshots I have seen of the new to do app show space taken up with a column for priorities and a column for due dates. Is it possible to hide either/both of these?Let me preface this response by saying I suck at the Todo part of CO - it is the one component I've had the most problem figuring out. For example, in the menus, there's a spot to change the color of items depending on their status (delayed, in progress, overdue), but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to get those colors to actually display.

But for your questions:

1) You can display due date or priority or category, but I only see it sorting on due date. But, read my caveat above, I may very well be wrong on this.

2) The due date column can be hidden, but I don't think priority can.

PCMaven

02-23-2004, 12:46 PM

Well I've been playing with the new Clie Organizer since yesterday and have pretty much decided that it's back to my old LauncherX and DB5 apps...I just can't figure out this CO...Love the TH55 though...:)

rldunn

02-23-2004, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
For example, in the menus, there's a spot to change the color of items depending on their status (delayed, in progress, overdue), but for the life of me, I can't figure out how to get those colors to actually display.Sorry to quote myself, but I was just reading through the manual. Both the start date and due date have to be selected for this to take effect (duh!!). :) Now, I'm seeing all of my pretty colors!!

Grandizer

02-23-2004, 01:59 PM

I take it there's a very steep learning curve for the CO. Similar to switching from using the old system launcher to YiShow or ZLauncher? Or is this much more difficult than that?

Just gaging if the CO is worth the time or not to learn. What's drawing me closer to the TH55 is its battery life. Considering I run my current T665C down to only 20-40% each day. Which is why I used the battery extender.

OT: Does anyone know if the Belkin G700 Foldable KB would still work with this newer model (with the current OS5 driver)?

rldunn

02-23-2004, 02:05 PM

There definitely is a learning curve, but not in the normal sense. For the most part, it's not that hard to figure everything out. The hard part is retraining yourself to use it effectively, since you've never had the ability to do handwriting and add in notes, pics, and voice recordings before. If you can figure out how to use them effectively, I think this may be a very efficient program for some and well worth the time to learn it.

andrewcoffin

02-23-2004, 04:08 PM

I haven't read through all of the posts above, but here are my initial thoughts on the the Clie Organizer:

1) It does run a little bit slow. It's not terrible, but there is a slight lag. However--this is important--I would advise potential TH55 users not to judge the device as a whole by this. Every other program I've tried on the TH55 (including DocsToGo, Mapopolis, WorldMate, Agendus, etc.) runs very quickly. The processor seems to do a great job handling everything but this program.

2) The Clie Organizer is innovative, impressive, and fun to play around with...but lacks too many standard features that I'm used to using in Agendus, which has been my calendar/to do/contacts app for some time, and which I sync with Outlook 2003. For instance, my schedule is very much dependant on category support, which does not appear to exist in the Clie Organizer.

3) So my initial reaction was that the organizer was gimmickee, but not very useful in the real world. However, I think I have come up with a way to make it a useful part of the way I use my Clie. I will continue to use Agendus as my primary calendar app.
Freenotes is my favorite part of the Organizer, and is a very good free hand writing app...the usefulness of FreeNotes got me thinking about how I can utilize the DateBook section of the organizer, and I think I'll view it simply as a sophisticated extension of FreeNotes. In other words, if I need to scribble a quick note about an appt. (a change, a phone number, etc.), then writing that directly on top of the appt. is the perfect place to do it, and is much quicker than tryin to add data directly into Agendus on the fly. Then, I can update my calendar items at my leisure, either in Outlook or Agendus.

All this to say, while the Clie Organizer will not replace my core apps, I think it is a useful addition to my Clie...

msurtees

02-24-2004, 06:58 AM

Trying to learn the new organizer and I'm not sure what I'm looking at:

On two days of this month I have a small icon that looks like a square with a small filmstrip??? There's no text.

If I click on it, itchanges color while I'm touching it...when I release it's back to black and white again.

What the heck is it?

Thanks much!

(And yes...I have NOT read the instructions.)

Reggie

02-24-2004, 08:38 AM

jlandkamer

02-24-2004, 09:01 AM

I've got what is probably a very simple question. On my datebook, when I get an alarm for an appointment, I am getting two notices, one for the normal palm datebook app and another from the Clie Organizer. How do I fix this?

Miss Clie

02-24-2004, 09:38 AM

Originally posted by msurtees
Trying to learn the new organizer and I'm not sure what I'm looking at:

On two days of this month I have a small icon that looks like a square with a small filmstrip??? There's no text.

If I click on it, itchanges color while I'm touching it...when I release it's back to black and white again.

What the heck is it?

Thanks much!

(And yes...I have NOT read the instructions.)

This is for the black strip at the bottom that gives you media to choose from. The media offerings are pix, voice, notes, and movies (which you can then pick to insert into Date Book or Free Notes). The little symbols serve as a toggle to show/hide that particular media in the black strip. So if you have a bunch of different media, but want to only see the pictures, you'd 'declick' the rest of the media choices, and only pix would be visible.

OOPS! That's wrong. Sorry! I was thinking about the bottom view. You're seeing a 'media' icon in the month view and week view, right? Yeah, I saw those, and I couldn't figure them out, either. There didn't appear to be anything on that date at all, and the icon didn't make anything happen.

Sorry for my goofy reply above...

Miss Clie

02-24-2004, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by jlandkamer
I've got what is probably a very simple question. On my datebook, when I get an alarm for an appointment, I am getting two notices, one for the normal palm datebook app and another from the Clie Organizer. How do I fix this?

It *should* fix by going into the preferences for the Clie Organizer and unchecking the Alarm Preset box. However, I did that, and I'm STILL getting dual alarms from DateBk5 and the CO. I'm not sure how to force the CO to stop.

It's highly annoying.

Miss Clie

02-24-2004, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by msurtees
Trying to learn the new organizer and I'm not sure what I'm looking at:

On two days of this month I have a small icon that looks like a square with a small filmstrip??? There's no text.

If I click on it, itchanges color while I'm touching it...when I release it's back to black and white again.

What the heck is it?

Thanks much!

(And yes...I have NOT read the instructions.)

Okay, having mis-answered this the first time, I poked around in there, and it's the 'contents icon'. In the prefs, you have the option to turn it off, and it won't show anywhere.

The question I still have is - what does it indicate? I looked at my appointments, and couldn't single out anything that was unique on those days that show the contents icon. The only thing I can think of is that the appts that I've created *since I ported my DB over* are showing with contents. So all of my old existing repeat appts don't prompt a contents icon, but anything new created since Sunday has a contents icon assigned to that date.

Anyone here that's only created new stuff? Does the contents icon show for every day you have appts? Help me fine-tune my theory.

Rick_C

02-24-2004, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by rldunn
[[QUOTE]Originally posted by rldunn
2) This should almost be 1a. I'm not sure what that area containing the pics, notes, and voice recording is called, but we should come up with a name. I'll use Drag & Drop Bar (DDB) for now, but I'm not sure that's a great name.

First of all, thanks to rldunn for a great, candid review of the new applications in the TH55.

Looking at the manuals (yes, I actually read the documentation), the area that you named the DDB is called the "contents field" or the "contents area".

This thread and others in this site have really helped me make decisions about my (soon to be) newest PDA with respect to the PIM applications.
Could you confirm (or deny) the posts that I have read on DB5 (which I use and love!), regarding the performance on the TH55. Specifically, does the new patch 5.1a-sk support the 480x320 format properly?

Regard,

rldunn

02-24-2004, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by Rick_C
Could you confirm (or deny) the posts that I have read on DB5 (which I use and love!), regarding the performance on the TH55. Specifically, does the new patch 5.1a-sk support the 480x320 format properly?No, sK of DB5 does not support high-res+. I believe CESD has it hard coded into DB5 which devices support the VG area, so it's probably something as simple as adding the TH to the list. I would be surprised if it didn't work correct on the sL release, which sounds like it's about a week away.

Miss Clie

02-24-2004, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Rick_C

First of all, thanks to rldunn for a great, candid review of the new applications in the TH55.

Looking at the manuals (yes, I actually read the documentation), the area that you named the DDB is called the "contents field" or the "contents area".

This thread and others in this site have really helped me make decisions about my (soon to be) newest PDA with respect to the PIM applications.
Could you confirm (or deny) the posts that I have read on DB5 (which I use and love!), regarding the performance on the TH55. Specifically, does the new patch 5.1a-sk support the 480x320 format properly?

Regard,

No, the new patch is 320x320 only. The version that is there for normal download is full screen, but locks up when you try to edit or create an appt.

Earth Urchin

02-24-2004, 07:02 PM

I would say the learning curve is similar to any of the other PIM apps, just different.

As to the keyboard, I can't say if it works with the Belkin or not, but it works fine with Sony's (KB100). I beamed over the driver from my NX80 and was typing away in no time.

rldunn

02-24-2004, 10:46 PM

See Reggie's review of the Clie Organizer software here:

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42997

Reggie

02-24-2004, 10:48 PM

Rod beat me into it.

Thanks Rod!

rldunn

02-24-2004, 11:05 PM

Reggie, just finished going through your review. That is a great review - very detailed, and the screenshots will definitely help.

Only comment I have is with regard to the following:The ability to add a picture to a contact is not new to the Clie. What's new though is the picture view which lists contacts with their pics on the left. It is now mandatory that an image is attached to a contact. Five sample images are provided and one is attached by default for new contacts.Unless you're considering the outline head to be a pic, then it's not mandatory that an image be attached to a contact. I guess when I read that line, I assume you have to choose a particular pic for each person you enter, which is not true, since the outline image is there by default. Is that what you meant?

Reggie

02-24-2004, 11:09 PM

Yes, I was referring to the outline of the head as an image. The samples are three head icons (blue, orange and grey), the house, and a briefcase.

Jim Cooke

02-25-2004, 01:13 AM

I can't wait to hear the screams of agony as TH55 users try to make Intellisync Lite, which doesn't work worth a darn with the former PIM's, now try to get it to work with these new applications. Especially with OL2003. And still NO category support for the calendar. At least PalmOne managed to get this one in their new apps. And how about meeting locations? And STILL only ONE address in the fancy looking addressbook?

Pictures and drawings are nice but how hard would it be for Sony just to support the content in Outlook a little better? I hope my T665 continues to hold up until OS 6 comes out, when we should finally get applications that really work.:mad:

Reggie

02-25-2004, 08:58 AM

There is actually a patch for Intellisync Lite for Outlook 2003.

Jim Cooke

02-25-2004, 11:56 AM

Indeed there is. The patch actually removes some features like parts of the date range selection for calendar syncing that was in the previous version. Presumably, rather than Intellisync Lite not working at all with OL 2003, it will now be able to work as poorly as it did with previous versions of Outlook, albiet with even less user control. Intellisync Lite is one of the worst programs I've ever used. Why Sony persists in foisting this thing off on users rather than Pocket Mirror is a mystery to me.

tgoulart

02-25-2004, 12:16 PM

Originally posted by Jim Cooke
I can't wait to hear the screams of agony as TH55 users try to make Intellisync Lite, which doesn't work worth a darn with the former PIM's, now try to get it to work with these new applications. Especially with OL2003. And still NO category support for the calendar. At least PalmOne managed to get this one in their new apps. And how about meeting locations? And STILL only ONE address in the fancy looking addressbook?

I even upgraded to the full retail version of Intellisync and am not happy. Does Pocket Mirror support these Outlook fields?

threengs

02-25-2004, 02:59 PM

Intellisync does sync the basic pim data but not the extras from Clie Organizer. Is there any way for Intellisync to continue syncing the basic and also have Clie Organizer for PC to sync with Clie Organizer for handheld? Thanks!

PCMaven

02-25-2004, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Miss Clie

No, the new patch is 320x320 only. The version that is there for normal download is full screen, but locks up when you try to edit or create an appt. A slipstream version of 5.1a-sk was released and 320 x 480 is now supported. If you downloaded the first 5.1a-sk version just redownload it and it should work just fine. Hope this helps.

Unregistered

02-26-2004, 12:58 AM

suggestion:
Use Agendus 7.04 along with Clie Organizer. I find this combination to be very good.

To enter apts, I will use Agendus. Agendu will allow u to link contacts with apts. (BTW. I use Jot 2.04 and Tex
tplus 4.05 to speed up the input)

When I need to review my apts, or make quick corrections, I will use Clie organizer. Say you apts is cancelled, I will just write cancelled free hand. If I took some notes or pictures, I will add them to my apt using clie organizer.

andrewcoffin

02-26-2004, 10:29 AM

I use exactly the same combination, and it works great on my handheld. However, I still can't get the data to sync with the Clie Organizer desktop. It syncs to Outlook fine, but nothing gets transfered to CO...

roakleyhall

02-26-2004, 11:25 AM

PopUp Names/Clie' Organizer -
- Does anyone know if PopUp Names will work under OS5 with TealMaster, or if there is an equivalent function in Clie' Organizer. I have used PUN to paste template info into HanDBase apps and other apps for 3 years and really want to keep that functionality when my TH55 comes next week.

Rainmaker-Ari

02-26-2004, 11:25 AM

Don't remember anyone posting this link yet...
http://www.clieplaza.com/en/showcases/clie_organizer/index.html

This is a short Clié Organizer demonstration.. not bad, but doesn't really make me think "That's something I really need!"

Ari

Miss Clie

02-26-2004, 01:52 PM

Originally posted by andrewcoffin
I use exactly the same combination, and it works great on my handheld. However, I still can't get the data to sync with the Clie Organizer desktop. It syncs to Outlook fine, but nothing gets transfered to CO...

Obviously, you've configured your Intellisync side, but have you seen the settings on the hotsync icon? Down in your tray, click on the hotsync icon, and I believe (not at the right desk to check it right now) there's a choice called 'custom...' If you're in the right spot, it lists all of the operations Hotsynch does, and allows you to set up whether they run or not. All of the Clie Organizer parts are listed in here to sync to, and you can pick what you want to do, and set it as the default operation when you sync.

If it's not 'custom', then it's the setting above that; I'm not positive, not being able to look it up right now. But that ability is in there; check that out if you haven't already. Then when you hotsync, you should see the sync progress include the CO parts you chose.

threengs

02-26-2004, 07:37 PM

syncing with intellisync works but the co part do not. I have already checked my 'custom' settings and everything is set to synchonize. Either I've got a setting wrong, installation wrong or co doesn't sync while intellisync is loaded.

krypticide

02-26-2004, 11:41 PM

Yeah, my free notes sync fine, as do my handwritten stuff on datebook. However, no tasks, addresses, or appointments, even if I set Intellisync/PocketMirror to nothing and handheld overwrite Clie Organizer for PC. :-/

ifonline

02-27-2004, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by jlandkamer
I've got what is probably a very simple question. On my datebook, when I get an alarm for an appointment, I am getting two notices, one for the normal palm datebook app and another from the Clie Organizer. How do I fix this?

Add me to the list... and for whatever (anal) reason, this drives me nuts. I had two alarms go off this afternoon (one 30 minutes after the other, and I missed both) which meant that the alarm notification box showed four entries, two for the Palm Datebook, and two for the same alarms from the CO datebook.

I don't need to be reminded so many times... someone have any suggestions?

rldunn

02-28-2004, 12:01 AM

Originally posted by ifonline

Add me to the list... and for whatever (anal) reason, this drives me nuts. I had two alarms go off this afternoon (one 30 minutes after the other, and I missed both) which meant that the alarm notification box showed four entries, two for the Palm Datebook, and two for the same alarms from the CO datebook.

I don't need to be reminded so many times... someone have any suggestions? Either manually run CO after a hotsync or get one of the freeware apps that automatically runs a specified app after a hotsync, and this double alarm problem should go away. Only freeware app that is coming to mind is AfterSync from Bozidar Benc, the developer of LX, but there are others and I'm just forgetting them.

Griff

02-28-2004, 02:18 AM

Does anyone else find the todo part of C.O. really slow? 

I have 269 items total in the database.  When I open the regular built-in I best not blink or I'll miss it load; it's super-quick.

If I open the todo tab of C.O. it takes 4.5 seconds (four and a half "...one-thousand" counts.

 

ifonline

02-28-2004, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by rldunn
Either manually run CO after a hotsync or get one of the freeware apps that automatically runs a specified app after a hotsync, and this double alarm problem should go away. Only freeware app that is coming to mind is AfterSync from Bozidar Benc, the developer of LX, but there are others and I'm just forgetting them.

What do you mean, manually run CO after a hotsync? What is this supposed to do? How does this cause the CO alarm to not fire when the datebook alarm does? Since they use the same database, I doubt this will do anything. Besides, it defeats the purpose of not wanting to use CO if I have to use CO every time I hotsync...

rldunn

02-28-2004, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by ifonline
What do you mean, manually run CO after a hotsync? What is this supposed to do? How does this cause the CO alarm to not fire when the datebook alarm does? Since they use the same database, I doubt this will do anything. Besides, it defeats the purpose of not wanting to use CO if I have to use CO every time I hotsync... OK, this is from memory, so it may not be 100% correct, but I think it's close. If you set appointments on the PC and sync them over, after the hotsync, those appointments won't know that they are CO appointments (since they're in the regular Datebook DB that CO, standard Datebook, and 3rd-party datebooks share, as you noted). So, if the alarms go off before you run CO, the Datebook and CO version of the alarms will go off. If you run CO first, it does something to the alarm database to tell it that CO will handle the alarm and the standard Datebook doesn't need to.

At least this is based on how DB5 used to handle it, though DB5 has now been updated and you don't need to run it after a hotsync to turn the standard Datebook alarms off.

As for it being a pain to run CO after every hotsync, that's why the apps I referred to are so nice. They're about 4K and automatically launch the app you specify at the moment the hotsync ends, so you don't need to worry about doing it yourself.

rolando

02-28-2004, 04:41 PM

Syncback is the other app.

Remember that each app (aftersync and syncback) must be run again after any resets. Although, you can use an app called Soft Reset to run a specific app after a reset, too.

Rolando

jacksonian

02-29-2004, 10:07 PM

I'm thinking of ordering my TH55 now. My question is about CO. Is there a way to just disable it or default to the standard launcher and PIM stuff if you don't like it?

jlandkamer

02-29-2004, 11:24 PM

Well I called Sony support today asking about the multiple alarm problem and the poor performance of the CO todo list. Here's what I learned:

1) There are no known responses to help with the slow to do list. He stated that I might try to delete all to do items and reload them fresh from Outlook.

2) As for my multiple alarm program, he suggested going into the general preferences section and selecting 'off' for alarm sound. Then use the normal CO datebook alarm. I tried this and it didn't seem to work either.

I downloaded syncback but have not tried it yet.

doboy

03-01-2004, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by jacksonian
I'm thinking of ordering my TH55 now. My question is about CO. Is there a way to just disable it or default to the standard launcher and PIM stuff if you don't like it?

You can always use the Clie launcher or the standard Palm launcher (which I am using) and just use the classic built-in PIMs (I do except datebook).

PCMaven

03-01-2004, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by jacksonian
I'm thinking of ordering my TH55 now. My question is about CO. Is there a way to just disable it or default to the standard launcher and PIM stuff if you don't like it? I use Datebk5 and LauncherX without a problem...I just go back to the Clie Organizer once in a while to decide if it's worth using or not...

rldunn

03-01-2004, 10:00 AM

Hi all,

I just discovered two new things about CO and syncing with the PC version.

1) I was getting very frustrated that I would sync with the desktop version and it would lose all of my color settings. However, I read somewhere (I believe in the help section of the PC CO) that the conduit settings for CO need to perfectly match the conduit settings for the native DBs. For example, if the native MemoPad is set to 'Desktop overwrites Handheld', then Clie Organizer Memo needs to also be set to 'Desktop overwrites Handheld'. When I got all of my settings to match, I did another hotsync (after doing a backup just in case ;)), and everything was preserved!!

2) I've complained, as have others, about the less than manly colors available for appointments. However, I found out that when you set an appointment on the PC side, you have the full color pallette available. I had always thought that they picked pastels so that black text could display ok. However, I picked a navy blue background, and the text on the PC was in white. I synced this, and it showed up as white on navy blue in CO as well!! However, if you try to edit the colors, you still don't have any other options besides the default, so if you want different colors, it looks like this needs to be done from the PC side. Kinda dumb, if you ask me, but better than nothing.

PCMaven

03-01-2004, 10:22 AM

Just went into my Clie Organizer for PC Desktop (first time in a few days) and found that it has absolutely no data from my TH55 in it. In fact it has no sync data whatsoever. I believe I have it set up correctly (options, prefs, etc.) but nothing is transferring?! Any suggestions on what I can check?

rldunn

03-01-2004, 12:12 PM

Go to your hotsync icon in your system tray, right-click and choose Custom and make sure that the CO conduits are set to syncronize.

Or, maybe the PC CO is looking at a different user. Make sure that you're selected in the user box on the upper right-hand side.

PCMaven

03-01-2004, 12:16 PM

Clie Organizer MMData and Clie Organizer FNotes are both set up. Should there be more than that? As I said, I believe everything is set up correctly. Maybe I should reinstall the desktop Clie organizer?

rldunn

03-01-2004, 12:22 PM

There should be the two that you mentioned, plus:

Clie Organizer Address
Clie Organizer Memo
Clie Organizer Datebook
Clie Organizer Todo

On mine, the two you mentioned are near the top, and the other four are together towards the bottom.

DanT

03-01-2004, 12:40 PM

Can I sync to both CO PC and Outlook 2003 for the Address, Memo, Datebook, and Todo?

PCMaven

03-01-2004, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
There should be the two that you mentioned, plus:

Clie Organizer Address
Clie Organizer Memo
Clie Organizer Datebook
Clie Organizer Todo

On mine, the two you mentioned are near the top, and the other four are together towards the bottom. I'm missing the bottom four. Do you know of any way to add them or should I deinstall / reinstall?

rldunn

03-01-2004, 01:18 PM

I would deinstall and reinstall.

PCMaven

03-01-2004, 02:21 PM

That's what I just did. Conduits are listed now but still there is nothing went to my PC...In the HotSync error log these are the first few error messages that I got from Organizer Datebook. Addresses supposedly sync'd ok as well as ToDo's etc. but I can't find them anywhere. Anyway here are the error messages I got:

-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532614, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532615, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532616, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532617, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532618, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532619, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532620, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532621, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532622, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532623, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532624, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532625, Error 0
-- PC failed to add record: Record ID 14532626, Error 0

rldunn

03-01-2004, 02:45 PM

Wow, something got corrupted. If you feel like testing this further, change your CO Datebook conduit to 'Handheld overwrites Clie Organizer for PC'. Also, change your Date Book conduit (native Datebook conduit) to 'Handheld overwrites Desktop'. Then, hotsync again and see if that works.

I don't know how confident I am that will work though, since it looks like the previous problem was loading your Clie records to the PC. Was your Date Book conduit set to the same thing as your CO Datebook setting in that hotsync?

krypticide

03-01-2004, 03:28 PM

I had tried previously to do a double sync, but it didn't work. And yes, I did have the settihgs matched up to "synchronize".

PCMaven

03-01-2004, 03:29 PM

Well I changed all CO settings to "handheld overwrites desktop" but Intellisync didn't allow me to make any changes at all (maybe that's the problem)...Anyway, no data came across even after changing the settings.
I may just give up since I haven't been using the CO anyway but now I want to figure out the problem just because it's there...;) Thanks for all your help by the way...

DanT

03-01-2004, 03:50 PM

Neither do I. So it sounds like you either have to sync with Intellisync or CO, not both.

PCMaven

03-01-2004, 04:30 PM

Here's something else that's interesting about this whole thing... I just unstalled the CO Desktop and Sync'd again. When CO Desktop was installed I had to reboot after every sync. Now I've sync'd multiple times without having to reboot. I don't know what program is not compatible with what other problem but I think I'm going to leave the CO Desktop alone for a while...

footy

03-01-2004, 08:40 PM

A couple of quick questions, this is my first Palm since the m100, so I'm a bit new to OS5.

How can you get rid of the tabs along the right hand side of the screen and go back to the regular home screen without it?

Is there any way to get rid of the battery/WLAN/time/Memory Stick/volume bar at the bottom? A search didn't turn anything helpful up. Thanks a lot!

ithinkinink

03-01-2004, 09:32 PM

Don't know about the bottom status bar but if you click on the Applications tab and then select the Applications icon that will take you back to the standard OS5 menu without the tabs....of course you will not be in Organizer anymore so you can't use that but I guess you'll have to choose.

alexasha

03-02-2004, 07:40 AM

Would ClieOrganizer work on NX 70?

rldunn

03-02-2004, 08:43 AM

Originally posted by footy How can you get rid of the tabs along the right hand side of the screen and go back to the regular home screen without it?The method ithinkinink suggested will work, but then you'll be back in the tabbed interface (called Clie Organizer, abbreviated around here as CO) the next time you hit the home button. To always use the standard Palm OS launcher, go to CO Menu-Options-Clie Organizer Prefs and uncheck 'Assign to Home'. Then, use ithinkininks method and the native Palm OS launcher will display whenever you hit the home button.

Of course, for the Clie, there are two different interfaces for the standard Palm OS launcher - one that looks different, with a wheel configuration in the upper left and dots on the lower left - this one is called Clie Launcher. To get back to the normal Palm OS Launcher, go to Menu-Options-Go To Standard View, and you'll be there. This is a one time thing, so you won't have to mess with these steps after that.

Is there any way to get rid of the battery/WLAN/time/Memory Stick/volume bar at the bottom? A search didn't turn anything helpful up. Thanks a lot! [/B]No, you can't get rid of this, but you'll probably find out that you really don't want to. It's great to have the Home, Menu, etc buttons when you're in full-screen mode in certain apps, and it's also nice to have the clock and battery displayed at all times, especially since if you click on the battery and MS icons, you get more information (and for the MS, an easy way to get into Clie Files). Certain apps, such as AcidImage, get rid of this bar, but those are the exception, and nothing gets rid of it globally.

rldunn

03-02-2004, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by alexasha
Would ClieOrganizer work on NX 70? No one has gotten this to work on the NX series.

Miss Clie

03-02-2004, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by rldunn
No, you can't get rid of this, but you'll probably find out that you really don't want to. It's great to have the Home, Menu, etc buttons when you're in full-screen mode in certain apps, and it's also nice to have the clock and battery displayed at all times, especially since if you click on the battery and MS icons, you get more information (and for the MS, an easy way to get into Clie Files). Certain apps, such as AcidImage, get rid of this bar, but those are the exception, and nothing gets rid of it globally. [/B]

Incidentally, this raises the question - how come when I tap the time on the bar, it doesn't give me the date?  It does on other prior Clies with a bar, and it does on the TJ37.  Odd, eh?!

rldunn

03-02-2004, 11:44 AM

I've had 4 Clies with the status bar now (NR70, NX70, NX80, TH55), and I've never been able to tap on the time and have the date show up. I played around with a TJ37 last night and never tested this. It would definitely be a cool feature, but I don't know why the TJ37 would have it and the TH wouldn't.

rgylford

03-02-2004, 02:01 PM

Has anyone figured out how to change the category for "Unfiled" applications in the Clie Organizer? The information seems to be curiously not in the manual.

tgoulart

03-02-2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by rgylford
Has anyone figured out how to change the category for "Unfiled" applications in the Clie Organizer? The information seems to be curiously not in the manual.

After I install apps, I move them from Unfiled to either one of the other categories or create a new one. After you move everything out of unfiled, it disappears from the category list.

footy

03-02-2004, 02:45 PM

Many thanks to ithinkinink and rldunn for the help, the TH is running just the way I like it now. Now to get some video converted for watching!

jlandkamer

03-02-2004, 03:24 PM

Well I tried the SyncBack program and activated it so that when I'm done with a HotSync, it goes back to the CO. I still get double alarms. Any other thoughts on what the solution could be? I'm using PocketMirror professional to sync up with Outlook.

DanT

03-02-2004, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
No, you can't get rid of this, but you'll probably find out that you really don't want to. It's great to have the Home, Menu, etc buttons when you're in full-screen mode in certain apps, and it's also nice to have the clock and battery displayed at all times, especially since if you click on the battery and MS icons, you get more information (and for the MS, an easy way to get into Clie Files). Certain apps, such as AcidImage, get rid of this bar, but those are the exception, and nothing gets rid of it globally.

ZLauncher can hide it and leave a clean background with a toggle button for you to tap on to get the bottom bar and VG back.  It is a real cool option.

With ZL I can also assign the back button long press to turn off the system and capture button to popup quicklaunch screen similar to Data Assistant button or McPhling. 

rldunn

03-02-2004, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by rgylford
Has anyone figured out how to change the category for "Unfiled" applications in the Clie Organizer? The information seems to be curiously not in the manual. I don't know why they left out all the menu functions from the CO Apps, such as Delete, Beam, Info, Copy, and as you mentioned, Categories. Anyways, I believe the only way to do this is to launch the standard Palm OS Launcher and use it to categorize these apps, then go back to CO and the new category settings should be in place.

rldunn

03-02-2004, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by jlandkamer
Well I tried the SyncBack program and activated it so that when I'm done with a HotSync, it goes back to the CO. I still get double alarms. Any other thoughts on what the solution could be? I'm using PocketMirror professional to sync up with Outlook. OK, sorry about that earlier advice. I think for now, possibly the only way to get around the double alarm issue would be to go to the alarm dialogue window for a single appointment in CO - I believe by doing this, it's telling the alarm database that it will handle Datebook DB alarms. Apparently, just running CO is not enough, as you found. Hopefully Sony will come out with a fix for all of the CO alarm issues soon so we don't have to worry about all of these workarounds!! You can check out the other two CO Alarm Freeze Bug threads on here if you're not familiar with all of the testing that's been done so far with them.

Unregistered

03-03-2004, 02:13 AM

Some of your handwritings on the Day View of Datebook may disappear if you change the setting of the timeline in the preference. Fortunately, they are not deleted. They will reappear after you has changed setting back.

93732

03-14-2004, 11:43 PM

Hi all, I just recently purchased a TH55 and enjoy it quite a bit and now decided to join this forum. I am glad that this forum exists and that everyone is so helpful as well!

1) For people suffering from slow TODO lists, I noticed that even after purging all completed todo's and having no todo's in the list, the CO todo was still very slow. So I decided to delete the two todo associated DB's in clie file and now everything is nice and speedy in the CO todo. I used the sony migration tool to come from my old palm software and i think that may have corrupted the Todo DBs.

2) I noticed that completed todo's do not dissapear from the Todo slider in CO Datebook! Does anyone know how to remove completed todos from this view? I've already unchecked "Show completed Todos" from both the CO Todo and the Palm Todo apps to no avail!

Thanks!

DanT

03-15-2004, 09:18 AM

I don't see "Show completed Todos". Here what I did to take care the problem 2):

Go to ToDoList's Menu, Options, Preferences, to pop up 'To Do Preferences' and uncheck 'Show Completed Items'.

sara

03-15-2004, 11:19 AM

I've set my preferences on the PDA so that the hours in the day view of CO show in am/pm (ie 11, 12, 1, 2, 3, etc). But in the desktop CO, it shows up as 11, 12, 13, 14, etc. On the Palm desktop, the hours are 11, 12, 1, etc. just as the are on the PDA. I don't see any place on the desktop CO to change this. And hot syncing (which I've done several times) doesn't change it.

Anyone else run itnto this discrepancy? Anyone know how to fix it?

93732

03-15-2004, 01:34 PM

Dan, I did uncheck "Show Completed Items" in the ToDoList and the completed items do disappear, but I was talking about having items disappear in the ToDo list that is part of the contents bar at the bottom of the Datebook. Do you know how to make the ToDoList view the same as the Todo view in the Datebook?

Originally posted by DanT
I don't see "Show completed Todos". Here what I did to take care the problem 2):

Go to ToDoList's Menu, Options, Preferences, to pop up 'To Do Preferences' and uncheck 'Show Completed Items'.

DanT

03-15-2004, 11:22 PM

Ah, I see what you meant now. Yap, mine does the same as yours. Hopefully someone can figure out how to fix this glitch.

BikerTech

03-19-2004, 11:08 AM

BikerTech

03-22-2004, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by Palmguru
No way I am giving up my Datebk5 for THIS!

 

After an entire weekend getting to know the CO DateBook, I second Palmguru. CO DateBook has a way to go yet.

 

PCMaven

03-23-2004, 07:27 PM

I also agree that I'm sticking with Datebk5 vs. CO. I admit I didn't give CO a whole weekend of testing but I just love DB5 so much there's no way that CO could replace it. I can see how CO would be great for someone who didn't already use an outside program for an organizer though...

rldunn

03-23-2004, 11:01 PM

I switched to CO, and for me, DB5 (then DB3) was the first 3rd-party app I ever purchased for my Palm IIIe four years ago. It was also my most-used app until I got my TH. However, I love the way that CO converges each of it's components and provides handwriting ability. Meets my needs perfectly.

Unregistered

03-24-2004, 01:49 AM

Can anyone pls post movie recorder 1.2?

*YellowRose*

03-24-2004, 06:56 AM

Originally posted by Unregistered
Can anyone pls post movie recorder 1.2? No. Please do NOT request proprietary applications be posted on this board. It is inappropriate.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Unregistered

03-24-2004, 12:10 PM

Anyways, I believe the only way to do this is to launch the standard Palm OS Launcher and use it to categorize these apps, then go back to CO and the new category settings should be in place. [/B]

Noob question here, but how do i launch the standard palm OS launcher ? can't find it on any menu's...

Thanks!

Marc

03-29-2004, 05:29 PM

Does anyone know how to make applications on the memory stick show up on the applications tab of CO AND be able to assign them to a category? I can make it show up by using the drop down menu and then selecting the memory stick. I'd like to be able to assign some apps on my MS to the favorites. I now use Zlauncher, but an leaning towards CO if I can get this to work.

Thanks, Marc (a/k/a Alias)

Gadgeteer_7

03-30-2004, 08:03 AM

If I write and appointement in the datebk how do I attach an alarm to it? I am writing right on the set time that I want it but have not been able to set an alarm.

cosFFM

03-30-2004, 08:52 AM

Originally posted by Gadgeteer_7
If I write and appointement in the datebk how do I attach an alarm to it? I am writing right on the set time that I want it but have not been able to set an alarm.

I don't think this will work, when you use the overlay/digital ink feature. Is that what you are trying to do? Alarms only work when you enter an appointment using the dialoge box.

Or you might add a free note with an alarm to your handwritten appointment.

Gadgeteer_7

03-30-2004, 12:15 PM

Thanks Chris for the info.

joker123

03-30-2004, 12:22 PM

Marc,

Use Zlauncher to create the shortcut.

cosFFM

03-30-2004, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by PCMaven
Well I changed all CO settings to "handheld overwrites desktop" but Intellisync didn't allow me to make any changes at all (maybe that's the problem)...Anyway, no data came across even after changing the settings.
I may just give up since I haven't been using the CO anyway but now I want to figure out the problem just because it's there...;) Thanks for all your help by the way...

Have you solved your problem with CO PC by now? If not, don't laugh, but I had the same problem and I just saw that on the right hand side of CO on the PC is a dropdown where you specify the user.. It was blank, I changed it to my Hotsync name and bang! All data is back. :) Specifying the user within the menus doesn't do the trick; I've tried that several times.

PCMaven

03-30-2004, 06:38 PM

I don't recall if I tried that or not (although I think I did)...Anyway, I've since switched to Pocket Mirror. I figured since I really didn't use the Clie Organizer anyway I'd rather use a program I like rather than Intellisync...;)
Thanks anyway for the info though...

Marc

03-30-2004, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by joker123
Marc,

Use Zlauncher to create the shortcut.

Thanks, I'll try it...

Marc

03-30-2004, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by joker123
Marc,

Use Zlauncher to create the shortcut.

I tried it and it works. Now on to the never ending task of teaching an old dog new tricks. I'm going to give CO a try as the default. Zlauncher is great but CO has features I like. I use datebk5 but it crashes on me, has on my SJ-30, SJ-33 and now on my TH-55. It gives me fatal exception errors. I really don't need all the special functions of it though. The built-in one looks good. We'll see.

Thanks again...Marc (a/k/a Alias)

boonhoong

03-30-2004, 08:35 PM

cosFFM

03-31-2004, 06:30 AM

This filmstrip icon is supposed to show if you have some kind of multimedia content on a particular day (I think), like a picture, a voice recording or a free note.

You can get rid of these icons in the Preferences of CO and uncheck 'Show Contents Icon'.

boonhoong

03-31-2004, 07:13 AM

Whoops... my bad. Looks like I didn't know what I was talking about :rolleyes: Just ignore my last post...

It still shows up when I have nothing on that day though :confused:

cosFFM

03-31-2004, 07:44 AM

Yes, I think it's a bug. But it will go away when you uncheck the setting, doesn't it?

rldunn

03-31-2004, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by cosFFM
Yes, I think it's a bug. But it will go away when you uncheck the setting, doesn't it? Actually, it's not a bug. It shows up if you have created any qualifying multimedia output on that particular day. For example, if you made a new free note, new voice recording, or took a new pic, regardless of whether you've dragged any of them onto the CO Datebook, the icon will show up. That said, I still think it's basically pointless, so I have it turned off.

cosFFM

03-31-2004, 07:51 PM

Ah, that explains it. Thanks for pointing that out. I wondered what it was about, but could not pin it to something reasonable ;)

jo2000

04-14-2004, 08:40 AM

I just bought the TH-55 2 days ago, and I've spent several hours playing with the Clie Organizer. There are many cool features, but the lack of a few key features led me to decide not to use it.

They are:
1) Datebook: A feature of datebook 5 that I consider essential is showing high priority To Do items on the datebook view (on the day they are due). I was initially happy to see that in the Clie datebook you can show the To Do list at the bottom, but then I realized it shows all current and future To Do's -- not just the ones corresponding to the days you are looking at in the datebook.

2) Address Book: Unless I am missing something, you cannot search for a name by starting to write the name. This is key when you have a large number of entries! The "abc" "def" etc. is not enough to make searching a large list efficient.

3) To Do: I have used "To Do plus" in the past, and the features that are most helpful are the ability to do repeating To Do's (monthly "pay rent", yearly "buy birthday present", etc.) with alarms, and the filter called "Radar" which lists not only due items, but also items that will come due in the next week or so. These can't be done on the Clie ToDo.

Because these features are not available on the Clie Organizer, I have decided to reprogram my buttons for Datebook5, the original address book, and To Do Plus. If the Clie Organizer were upgraded to have similar features, I would give it a second chance, because I would love to take advantage of the free notes, etc.

rldunn

04-14-2004, 12:02 PM

You've noted one of the nice things about the TH, that you can use CO if you desire, but if not, your old PIM apps still work fine. However, I think you've pointed out things that CO doesn't do that your old PIM apps do without realizing that CO has some things that the old PIM apps don't that might make the tasks you want to do even easier. I'll give some specific examples below. Just for reference, I was a DB5 user for 4 years prior to switching to the TH and CO.

1) Datebook: A feature of datebook 5 that I consider essential is showing high priority To Do items on the datebook view (on the day they are due). I was initially happy to see that in the Clie datebook you can show the To Do list at the bottom, but then I realized it shows all current and future To Do's -- not just the ones corresponding to the days you are looking at in the datebook.If CO gave more flexibility on how it displayed Todos in the Datebook screen, that would definitely be a good thing. But I've gotten around this by using the handwriting feature to handwrite my todos on the Datebook screen. This gives the extra benefit of allowing me to place the Todos at the specific time I want to do them, and I can use different colors or use bigger or smaller handwriting for appropriate emphasis. Two different ways of doing the same thing, but now I much prefer the handwriting method. Maybe if I had a million todos, I would feel different, though.

2) Address Book: Unless I am missing something, you cannot search for a name by starting to write the name. This is key when you have a large number of entries! The "abc" "def" etc. is not enough to make searching a large list efficient.You should spend some time exploring the data assistant (the thing on the 4th hardware button. It's like a search on steroids, and it really complements all of the other CO pieces.

3) To Do: I have used "To Do plus" in the past, and the features that are most helpful are the ability to do repeating To Do's (monthly "pay rent", yearly "buy birthday present", etc.) with alarms, and the filter called "Radar" which lists not only due items, but also items that will come due in the next week or so. These can't be done on the Clie ToDo.This is actually one thing I really miss from DB5, having repeating todos. There's no good way around this.

In addition to what I wrote above, having the tight integration between free notes and the other CO components is priceless. I can quickly write several details about a todo. I often handwrite on a Datebook page, but if I need to handwrite a lot and/or don't have a lot of space left, then I just make a free note and drag it near the appt it goes with. Works great!!

jo2000

04-14-2004, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by rldunn
[B]You've noted one of the nice things about the TH, that you can use CO if you desire, but if not, your old PIM apps still work fine. B]

Thanks for your reply -- you make some good points.

I agree that one of the strengths of the TH-55 is the ability to have your old PIM programs work relatively seamlessly with the Clie Organizer. At first I was annoyed that I couldn't reprogram the 4th button, but now I am realizing that those functions are still very useful even if I primarily use other PIM programs. For example, highlighting text and then choosing "new address book entry" or other new entry is a very useful feature (and it will create entries that will be completely usable from Datebook5, To Do Plus, etc.).

The address book search is still not efficient enough though for my needs. I work in a hospital, and I have hundreds of pager numbers in my address book (residents, fellows, attendings, etc.) and I need the ability to push a button, start writing a name, and get the pager number -- I can literally do this in about 5 seconds. The extra step in having to use the Clie search adds too much time. A "lookup" line seems like such a simple thing to add to the Clie Address Book -- hopefully an update will come along. If it does, I will definitely reprogram it back to a button for use as my primary addressbook -- I would certainly enjoy the fuller features (It would be very nice to add a free note to an entry with a drawing of a map to a person's house, for example)

DanT

04-14-2004, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by jo2000
The address book search is still not efficient enough though for my needs. I work in a hospital, and I have hundreds of pager numbers in my address book (residents, fellows, attendings, etc.) and I need the ability to push a button, start writing a name, and get the pager number -- I can literally do this in about 5 seconds. The extra step in having to use the Clie search adds too much time. A "lookup" line seems like such a simple thing to add to the Clie Address Book -- hopefully an update will come along. If it does, I will definitely reprogram it back to a button for use as my primary addressbook -- I would certainly enjoy the fuller features (It would be very nice to add a free note to an entry with a drawing of a map to a person's house, for example)

I use Call Lookup DA with DAlauncher5.1 and launch it by a command ("/") stroke and a tap on the DA.  It pop up a lookup screen on top of current app.  If the current screen is a memopad or datebook with the curser is already on the name, that name will be automatically pasted on the lookup window.    If the name needs to be typed in, with Jot, I can write the name anywhere on the screen (even with VG minimized) without getting out of the app I'm in.  Both apps are freewares with very small footprints too.

LanMan

04-15-2004, 09:03 AM

Thanks, DanT. I didn't realize that feature was in CallLookpuDA.

zobo

04-23-2004, 11:59 AM

When I try to change the text color in Clie To Do, the screen doesn't refresh. Things will only start showing up when you tap on them. Do you guys have this problem? Or is there a way to solve it?

Unregistered

05-05-2004, 09:33 PM

I bought PEG-TH55 one months ago, unfortunately installer for clie organiser is not working. It means I can't download all of my data to PC....
pity...

anyone would like help me to share over the software over network??

Please....i need help...

joker9989

05-06-2004, 07:07 AM

If you have enough of your data on your PC, it sounds like a hard reset would be easier.

broadus

05-06-2004, 08:50 AM

Originally posted by rldunn
This is actually one thing I really miss from DB5, having repeating todos. There's no good way around this.

In addition to what I wrote above, having the tight integration between free notes and the other CO components is priceless. I can quickly write several details about a todo. I often handwrite on a Datebook page, but if I need to handwrite a lot and/or don't have a lot of space left, then I just make a free note and drag it near the appt it goes with. Works great!! [/B]

I don't use the CO's todos but use the datebook instead as a todo list along with appointments. "Todos" are entered in the datebook as appointments with no time and, consequently, are displayed before the timed appointments. They can be repeated using the repeat function, of which I make ample use. So I put repeated items such as mortgage payments and being prepared for birthdays and anniversaries in the datebook using the repeat function. If I need to, I add a note. I like to have the monthly calendar view show with the appointments ("todos" above timed appointments) below the calendar.

Because this seems so obvious, I suspect I'm missing something concerning repeating todos, but this works well for me. I like having my todos and appointments showing together.

Unregistered

05-13-2004, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by broadus

I don't use the CO's todos but use the datebook instead as a todo list along with appointments. "Todos" are entered in the datebook as appointments with no time and, consequently, are displayed before the timed appointments. They can be repeated using the repeat function, of which I make ample use. So I put repeated items such as mortgage payments and being prepared for birthdays and anniversaries in the datebook using the repeat function. If I need to, I add a note. I like to have the monthly calendar view show with the appointments ("todos" above timed appointments) below the calendar.

Because this seems so obvious, I suspect I'm missing something concerning repeating todos, but this works well for me. I like having my todos and appointments showing together.

broadus did excatly what I'm doing with the CO Datebook for ToDos. I find this a perfect match to show ToDos along with my apts. Only drawback is I can't see a list of ToDos (esp the overdue ones) or set priorities. However, it does give me a nice weekly ToDo view.

For the ToDos app, I'm now using it mainly as a Project Mgmt tools. It's nice be able to set major milestones and subtasks hierarchy and assign priorities/start-end date to each tasks.

Just my 2cents

Btw, thanks rldunn for starting these very useful threads! GoBlue!

Psiborg

05-16-2004, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by cosFFM
This filmstrip icon is supposed to show if you have some kind of multimedia content on a particular day (I think), like a picture, a voice recording or a free note.
You can get rid of these icons in the Preferences of CO and uncheck 'Show Contents Icon'.

Originally posted by rldunn
Actually, it's not a bug. It shows up if you have created any qualifying multimedia output on that particular day. For example, if you made a new free note, new voice recording, or took a new pic, regardless of whether you've dragged any of them onto the CO Datebook, the icon will show up. That said, I still think it's basically pointless, so I have it turned off.

This confused me at first too. Yes, it does mark days where some content was recorded. However, it does more than that. when the content strip (at the bottom) is visible, the items are arranged from left to right according to creation date. When you click on the the content icon (the little film strip), the contents at the bottom will jump to the items created you on that day.

So, it the film strip "contents" icon doesn't just show you when something was created, it also gives you a quick way of finding it and jumping to it.