BC10, NZ, and flash pictures TEST

[anitanium]

Since i had time on my hands, i just did a test for the NZ camera

Camera settings were:
Scene: Normal
White Balance: Auto
Size, Quality: 1280 x 960 Standard
Spot Metering: Off
Save to: Priority MS
Self Timer: Off
Flash Level: Normal
Red Eye: Off
Focus: AF(Always)
Effect: OFf

Hardware:
NZ90
BC10 AA battery adapter
4x2050mAh Duracell AA Rechargeable Accu Nimhs
128MB Memory Stick (Purple)

NOTE: Backlight was set to MINIMUM setting

At the beginning of the test, the battery level read
Power: External
Status: Not in use
Remain: 100%

I then began to take pictures with the above settings.
After 100 pictures, i stopped.

I looked at the battery level after taking the pictures

Power: External
Status: Not in use
Remain: 99%

So I conclude that rechargeable Nimh's do a wonder compared to alkalines. The higher the mAh, the better the performance.
I may do an alkaline test to compare results, but i don't feel like spending money on some alkaline batteries right now (and the fact that I might have a seizure after all those flashes)

I have yet to see the battery level drop to 98%, so i cannot give an accurate guess as to "how many" pictures you could take.
but assuming that for every 1%, you can take 100 pictures, and the fact that the camera flash stops "working" at 35%. a good estimate could be about 6500 FLASH pictures. Keep in mind that the camera still works without flash below 35% until the memory stick slot no longer functions, which is 10% battery life. Another 25% battery life would equate to over 2500 non-flash pictures, for a total of 9000 pictures.
And if each picture (using these settings of 1280x960) is average 260KB size, you would need 2340 MB (or 2.340 GB), of space for all those pictures. Now you have a use for that 2GB microdrive.

Other factors may also affect this test, such as the flash level, picture size (this would increase the time to write to memory card), red eye reduction (multiple flashes) etc.

So, suffice it to say, nimh's are good.

[beanbeanchong]

is that you using sony PEGA-BC10 AA battery adapter on NZ-90?
i think it does not support NZ-90.

[anitanium]

that i am
works perfectly fine!

http://members.shaw.ca/nz90/bc10.jpg




















if you can see the picture, it says BC10

[olo]

same here!
But I am using AA/R6 Mignon 1.25V with 2350mAh batteries with it and keeps on rolling for hours....

cheers Nicolas :)

[anitanium]

Originally posted by olo
same here!
But I am using AA/R6 Mignon 1.25V with 2350mAh batteries with it and keeps on rolling for hours....

cheers Nicolas :)

2350mAh!!?!??!!
holy crap!

and i thought mine were really good!

[Crisjovano]

Originally posted by olo
same here!
But I am using AA/R6 Mignon 1.25V with 2350mAh batteries with it and keeps on rolling for hours....

cheers Nicolas :)
What is AA/R6 Mignon 1.25V with 2350mAh batteries ?
Do you have some picture or link ?
thanks

[olo]

Originally posted by Crisjovano

What is AA/R6 Mignon 1.25V with 2350mAh batteries ?
Do you have some picture or link ?
thanks

they are from Hähnel (a german company) but they have an english web site
http://www.hahnel.ie/index.cfm?action=listcharger&chargertype=3

they came together with an aircooled charger
for the batteries itselves:
http://www.hahnel.ie/index.cfm?action=displaybatterygroup&mbid=94

cheers Nicolas

[Crisjovano]

Thanks Nicolas.
How much cost it ?

[olo]

Originally posted by Crisjovano
Thanks Nicolas.
How much cost it ?

sorry cannot remember the exact prices, but as I recall the complete set including the all currency fancooled charger not more than € 35.- about US$ 30.-

cheers
Nicolas

[Researchguy]

For anyone in Vancouver/Lower Mainland area, if you're looking for rechargable NiMH batteries, check out the electronics liquidation store XS CARGO (No. 3Rd and Capstan Way in Richmond, store also in Langley). I picked up a set of 4 AA NiMH "Quest" brand batteries, including charger, for around $15 Canadian. They don't appear to have a mAh rating and I'm sure they're not top of the line in terms of batteries, but you can't touch them for the price.

Ok on a hunch I checked online and found the Quest battery package that I bought... they seem to have a rating of 1300mAh, and a fairly basic battery, however according to their website:

http://www.d-store.com/d-store/product/quest.htm
(scroll down to the green-top batteries roughly 2/3 down the page)

... this package was picked #1 by PC Photo magazine and Digital Camera magazine.

Don't have the battery adapter yet so can't say how they do, when I get it I'll do a flash test and see what results I get vs what Anitanium got with his high-end AA batteries.

Incidentally, I ordered a PEGA-BP500 main battery replacement today from the official Sony parts supplier store in Vancouver (Burnaby actually) and according to them, the entire North American stock has been sold out (they checked right back to the main warehouse located in Kansas City) and the batteries are actually back-ordered to Japan. I was a little irritated until I realized that this means there's no chance that I'll get sold an old style flawed battery, which is the whole reason I'm getting a new battery in the first place. Obviously people are flocking to replace their flawed main battery, as the entire continent is now officially sold out of stock.


Anitanium, where did you get your BP10?

[anitanium]

Originally posted by Researchguy



Anitanium, where did you get your BP10?

i got it at oakridge centre at the sony store
they may have another one in stock, i'm not sure


and futureshop is having a sale on my batteries for 30 bucks...
comes with charger (multi charger that charges AA, AAA, 9V, C cell, D cells) and 4 2050 nimhs.

[johnnyringo]

anitanium,

How is it using the bp10 while taking pictures? How long is the cord? Can you put it in your pocket while holding the clie? do you have to hold both (looks like it from your photos).

It is a shame sony exploited us with their crappy internal battery. I think there is too little production for 3rd parties to manufacture replacement models, or has someone found such a maker? I know for my canon g3 their are dozens of batteries to choose from that are compatible... and better capacity than the manufacturers original...

[anitanium]

yes, the cord is short so you will have to hold it when using the clie, but i just use a rubber band and fasten it in
its about the size of a standard digicam with the battery attached

[beanbeanchong]

wa,BC-10 really work on NZ-90,i gonna go to get one.i always take photo with this multifunction PDA i really need it.i first time saw NiMH battery with 2350 mAh power.around 2000mAh i see before. technology running too fast.

[anitanium]

not so long ago 1800mAh was considered very high..
i think the limit for nimh batteries are beginning to surface..
i think 2500mAh will be the max for AA batteries....
they can only hold so much

[anitanium]

I just finished taking 100 pics using the adapter and alkaline batteries

bear in mind, i used PANASONIC 1.5V alkaline DEGISNED for DIGITAL cameras....
your results may or may not differ if using standard batteries

settings were the same as before, and the meter went from 100% external power to 98% after taking 100 pictures

not a very accurate test, but worth noting.

[binaryDigit]

Originally posted by anitanium
i used PANASONIC 1.5V alkaline DEGISNED for DIGITAL cameras

Quick question, if you're using 4 x 1.5v batteries, is the bc10 putting out 6v to the Clie, or does it have circuitry to drop the voltage down to 5?

[anitanium]

well, on the reading it says 4.2V
my guess is that it does tone down the voltage somehow

[beanbeanchong]

is that the PEGA-BC10 the jack can plug into the socket for cradle tightly or a bit loosely for NZ-90?

[Unregistered]

Dude, you're making my head hurt.

[JerryAllen]

Why anyone pays the outrageous price Sony ask for the PEGA-BC10 is beyond me. The exact same thing ... and it works perfectly ... can be had on Ebay for $8.00 US plus shipping. I have one ... works perfect ... and there are many other post in this forum that mentions the $8.00 one and the fact that it works. Quality made, shipped fast, reliable, it works ... and ... cheap. What more could one desire. :-)

Jerry

[JerryAllen]

Originally posted by beanbeanchong
is that the PEGA-BC10 the jack can plug into the socket for cradle tightly or a bit loosely for NZ-90?

I can only speak to the $8.00 Ebay model ... yes, it plugs into the cradle socket and fits very nice and snug ... is not loose. I highly recommend it.

Jerry

[binaryDigit]

Originally posted by JerryAllen


I can only speak to the $8.00 Ebay model ... yes, it plugs into the cradle socket and fits very nice and snug ... is not loose. I highly recommend it.

Jerry

Hey JerryAllen, what are the voltate and amperage ratings for you $8 ebay model?

anitanium, what is the amp rating on the bc10?

Thanks

[JerryAllen]

These things don't have amp ratings ... they are just simple battery holders with a light and an on-off switch. If you had the fitting to plug it in you could probably make one yourself. In additiion to adding additional power, they will also charge the internal batteries ... very fast and very efficiently.

Jerry

[anitanium]

the BC10 has a seperate charge/on/off functions
the CHARGE is a dedicated charge function (and changes the NZ light to orange to indicate charging)
the On switch changes the light to green
the NZ also indicates "external power" and "charging" seperately when viewing the battery meter

the ones on ebay only have on/off switch

the connector fits very snugly and won't come off

i chose the BC10 because i wanted the shortened cord
and the really neat design where the connector that plugs into the NZ can be attached to the adapter

http://members.shaw.ca/nz90/bc10connect.jpg


























It is a really neat design!

[nx70vboy]

wouldn't it have costed less to get a lower end PDA and a 2mega px camera? the setup you have here is grande and really impresses me but it doesn't really seem practical for field use.

[anitanium]

that would just be two devices to lug around

[johnnyringo]

"that would just be two devices to lug around"

exactly, besides- I think people in the ClieSource forum for nz90's are past justifing their purchase. It was very excellent of anitanium to do this test (and helpful to a future bp10 purchaser).

I would be interested to know what causes the change from supplying power, to charging the battery on the bp10 pack. It seems the cheaper e-bay one is a dummy like I thought the sony bp10 was... so does the one found on e-bay charge or power the unit (JerryAllen)? Is either important?

I am thinking about either and want to know the difference...

(again) good thread btw!

[johnnyringo]

I meant to say... BC10 not BP10

sorry