Graffiti 1 Installation for UX50

[BrianC]

Hi All,

I've downloaded a Graffiti1.zip file somewhere in this forum (or was it PalmSource?) and found the Graffiti_Library_enUS.prc and Graffiti_Library.prc.

However, when I try to open my UX50 with Filez (with ROM checkbox checked), I didn't find comparable files.

I saw:

Graffiti 2 Library
Graffiti 2 Library enUS.

Does it mean I have to rename the downloaded prcs' to Graffiti 2 Library and Graffiti 2 Library enUS and replace the ones in my UX's ROM?

Is there a difference between the prcs for Portrait Clie versus Landscape Clie (UX being the only one)

I greatly appreciate your help on this matter.

best regards,
BrianC

[xynos]

Boy, I'd love to know this one, cos I can't stand Grafitti 2. Then again, with the UX, i don't need to know!

[arth1]

The simple solution is to fork out $19.95 and buy TealScript from TealPoint software at http://www.tealpoint.com/ . It lets you switch between Graffiti and Jot Lite (Graffiti 2) and define your own keystrokes too, as well as other nifty features like alternative strokes, macros and even auto-tuning the recognition based on how well your scribbling is recognized.
It was well worth the money for devices with Graffiti -- it's a definite must for devices with Jot Lite.
At least it's worth the free trial...

[winexprt]

Originally posted by BrianC
Hi All,

I've downloaded a Graffiti1.zip file somewhere in this forum (or was it PalmSource?) and found the Graffiti_Library_enUS.prc and Graffiti_Library.prc.

However, when I try to open my UX50 with Filez (with ROM checkbox checked), I didn't find comparable files.

I saw:

Graffiti 2 Library
Graffiti 2 Library enUS.

Does it mean I have to rename the downloaded prcs' to Graffiti 2 Library and Graffiti 2 Library enUS and replace the ones in my UX's ROM?

Is there a difference between the prcs for Portrait Clie versus Landscape Clie (UX being the only one)

I greatly appreciate your help on this matter.

best regards,
BrianC


Check this out:http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23210&perpage=15&highlight=grafitti&pagenumber=5

BTW...the files go in RAM, not ROM.

[Unregistered]

Thanx for your reply winexprt, however, I've at least read that particular 10 times!!!! (everyone reference that thread whenever people ask about Graffiti1)

Down at the bottom of the instructions, it clearly states that this particular "How To" doesn't work with UX50!

Are u saying that that process actually works with UX50?

And if it does, where do I place the PRCs? Any particular directory in RAM?
What do I do with the original Graffiti 2 files in ROM?

Thanx for your help

[BrianC]

I have no problem shelling out $20 but the thing is I don't want to install something on top of my already tight memory!

P.S. I was the Unregistered poster above (I forgot to logon)

[winexprt]

Ok...not too sure about this instance as I have only done it on my NX80V and it worked flawlessly.

The UX50 might be (read: probably IS) a whole different ball of wax when it comes to doing something like this due to its wacky memory structure.

The one good piece of advice I can assure you of is don't mess with your ROM unless you're really really REALLY sure about what you're doing. Other than that I wish I could help ya more.

[BrianC]

Orol! Calling for help!
You seem to be the only who was successful in making Graffiti 1 onto UX.
Please enlighten us!

[orol]

I've just downloaded the tungsten T libraries and it does work perfectly with graffiti anywhere

[arth1]

Originally posted by BrianC
I have no problem shelling out $20 but the thing is I don't want to install something on top of my already tight memory!

Well, you'll have to one way or another, whether you install the old Graffiti handler and libraries or whether you install a competing app, you're going to use up RAM.

One way to free up RAM is to put apps and their data in the Internal Media, using the AliasExt folder. Procedure for this follows:

1: Ascertain whether the program can be run this way or not. Negative qualifiers (i.e. it probably won't work) are:
- Does the program have a HotSync conduit?
- Does the program come as multiple executables (often with different icons), and these need to be able to find each other?
- Does the file run in the background, like using alarms or hooks into the OS (i.e. "hack" style programs)?

2: Open the CLIE file manager and look at the Handheld.
Tap the line just under the menu, and choose to view "Applications".
Find the application in the list, and checkmark it.
Now, and here's the nifty part, tap the line just under the menu again, and choose "Creator Group". This will show the app you selected along with its database files, no matter what they're named.

3: Select all the files for an app as found above, and move them to Internal Media, under /Palm/Programs/AliasExt/[appname]. Create a new folder for the app when you move the apps. This step (creating a new subfolder) is not strictly necessary, but helps a lot if you want to move an app back, and need just the right files.

4: Soft reset the device.
The app should now show up again under "Unfiled". When run, the app and all its databases will be copied to main memory before running, and when quitting, any changed databases will be copied back to Int. Media, and then everything deleted from the main memory. This increases startup time, but usually doesn't slow down the exit time much.

If the app does NOT work correctly that way, it's probably because it failed the qualifiers under 1 above, and you need to restore it to RAM. This is more tricky, as you need to be able to delete a protected file. I recommend getting McFile (the full version) for this, as it's very similar to the CLIE file manager (which is really McFile in a crippled OEM version). Find the *AppName on the handheld (it always starts with an asterisk), remove the read-only bit and then delete it. Then move all the files back from the AliasExt folder on Int. Media back to the handheld, and delete the now empty folder. Finally reset.

By being able to move not just the apps themselves, but also their data, I've been able to free up a lot of memory on my UX50.
The down side is that some apps either require the app to be present in main memory during hotsync (like DocumentsToGo), use multiple app files (like MathUPro and DocumentsToGo) or need to be found by the system at any time (like PalmaryClock and BillMinder), and thus won't work well anywhere except main memory. Some people might have those programs work from Int. Media too in certain circumstances (like if you don't hotsync, or don't use alarms, or don't jump between sub-applications), but don't count on it.
DocumentsToGo is the most tricky one, because it will reinstall itself in main memory during HotSync as well as being multiple apps.

Regards,
--
*Art

[BrianC]

Another constrain of mine is that, I'm running a Chinese PenPower handwriting recognition software which will convert anything I write outside of the Soft Graffiti Area into Chinese and/or Japanese inputs. Teal is thus not an option for me at all because I think it's conflicting with this PenPower that I've got. :(

What Art had posted really helps as I can move some of my more mundane software (e.g. isilo) into Internal Media freeing up a lot of space :)

So orol, did you just select the PRC files and copy/move them into PalmCard from Memory Stick and keep your fingers crossed?

A third constraint of mine is that I've left my CLIE installation disks in my Asia Office and now I'm in North America. If I f*ck this up, I'll have no palm to use for the next 4-5 months or so! That's why I'm being 200% cautious.

[orol]

> So orol, did you just select the PRC files and copy/move them into PalmCard from Memory Stick and keep your fingers crossed?

exactly

[k1w1pdaman]

I found that installing G1 worked with Grafitti anywhere but it totally stuffed up normal grafitti in the virtual grafitti area.

Therefore Tealscript is the best solution for going back to G1.

However the screenwrite function of Tealscript sucks. You can't tap properly anywhere.

Grafitti anywhere is best, and it even prints the alpha/numerical divider onscreen

What I have installed:

Grafitti 1 files
Tealscript
Grafitti Anywhere

Now I write on the screen and have Grafitti 1 on my UX50

Perfect - mind who needs it when I have a UX-50 keyboard!!

[crazy_smeggie]

Graffiti is so passe. Why would anyone want to use graffiti when the keyboard is so much faster?

People. :)


SMEGGIE :D

[pupunk98]

>smeggie

prob so that we don't need to look at our Clie when taking note ?
(that's my case with Palm Vx)

or
err...so we will look a bit like professional by holding pen-stylus ( I have lost the toothpick) rather than acting like we are playing GameBoy Advance ?
XD XD XD

>k1w1pdaman
if I am right , there is nothing to do with Graffiti1 files in your case. You are using TealScript, I guess

[k1w1pdaman]

[i]
>k1w1pdaman
if I am right , there is nothing to do with Graffiti1 files in your case. You are using TealScript, I guess [/B]

Not quite so...for normal grafitting ie on the virtual grafitti, I am using Tealscript set to Grafitti one Ts and is etc.
For on the screen writing I'm using Graftitti anywhere with the grafitti 1 drivers.

I had tried G1 drivers with G Anywhere but it made virtual grafitting go funny. Teal script fixed it.

Cheers
K1w1

[Eddy]

I've finally gave TealScript a try & yeah, it's good support Graffiti1 on the UX50 with full screen writing too. :)
The only down side to it is that it has to reside in RAM, I tried to use it via AliasExt but it was automatically pulled into RAM by itself. :(

Since I use thumboard mostly, I just switch back to Graffiti Anywhere now.

[iDG]

I wrote a YAHM hack that allows the use of the T|T Graffiti 1 libraries on the UX. Install YAHM, install the hack, install the Graffiti 1 Libraries, and everything will work just fine.

[orol]

graffiti anywhere and T1 G1 libraries have always worked flawlessly

[iDG]

Yes. But the hack does not require Graffiti Anywhere: it makes the silkscreen graffiti areas work correctly (without it, both areas work as the "numbers" area).

[ymilner]

Where can we get this hack?

[Eddy]

Just installed TealScript & seems to be working fine & quite stable on my UX50 Landscape or Portrait mode. Tried out the Graffiti1 files but encountered a crash so guess I'll be sticking with TealScript as of now. But it took up around 200+ KB on RAM which is still alright considering that I still have 7M RAM remaining.

[iDG]

Where can we get this hack?
It used to be in the freeware hack/da section, but someone must have deleted it. I'm re-uploading the file right now :p...

[Eddy]

I wrote a YAHM hack that allows the use of the T|T Graffiti 1 libraries on the UX. Install YAHM, install the hack, install the Graffiti 1 Libraries, and everything will work just fine.

Good news that you can get it to work on UX without a crash, because I just tried to install the previous G1 libraries but then crashed again.
So how did you install the G1 on the UX as I've already downloaded YAHM Hack Manager (http://yahm.palmoid.com/) on my UX now. Many thanks.
BTW, is G1 functioning properly in Portrait mode also? :confused:

[iDG]

because I just tried to install the previous G1 libraries but then crashed again.

The original G1 libraries do not crash the UX, even without the hack.
The malfunction is that both the silk areas only recognize numbers.

Remember that the G1 libraries cannot be installed via Hotsync, but they must be copied to a memory stick or internal media and then copied to the device with FileX/FileMgr/McFile...

BTW, is G1 functioning properly in Portrait mode also? :confused:

Yes. The only exception is the "ronamatic" (graffiti help) stroke, which only works in landscape mode (this is due to the fact that the "original" ronamatic is an up stroke from the silk area to the touch screen, whereas the hack changes it to a up stroke from the letters area to the number area -- and in portrait it is no longer an "up" stroke)...