1src Forums - High Bandwidth Hosting For Videos Need; or BYE BYE!!

ncoday

02-12-2004, 02:28 AM

My very gracious server provider who, until now, has hosted the videos that I have been making.

However, the bandwidth has gotten to be over 20GB PER DAY in bandwidth.

I am willing to pay, but only to a point. I am not wealthy in any stretch of the mind.

I figure I need to find a hosting service that offers:

Storage: Around 30-40GB Storage
Bandwidth: Uncapped IDeal, but probably around 600-700GB would probably work.

Cost: Free is Ideal,otherwise would HAVE to be less than $10/mo or no go.

Otherwise, once bandwidth is reached, people will not be able to download any more videos until the end of that month.

So... if you know of anyone or any company that could do something to help us out, please tell me about it!

I have about another 20-30GB of raw videos sitting on my HD waiting to converted, but don't think the bandwidth would survive

PBM808

02-12-2004, 02:53 AM

or you can not host all of the swimsuit editions at once = P i'm pretty sure that's where all your bandwith went

Unregistered

02-12-2004, 03:19 AM

How about setting up a small monthly subscription for people who want to download, or even put paypal donations on your site?

volcanopele

02-12-2004, 09:09 AM

If there is a way to have a subscription service w/o going through PayPal, I'm in.

ncoday

02-12-2004, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by volcanopele
If there is a way to have a subscription service w/o going through PayPal, I'm in.

Well, I might have to go into some kind of subscription service if people do not want to be denied videos after a certain bandwidth has been reached.

Because I am nearing the end of my final term, I am not going to look into now. I will just wait until after graduation and I get settled before I research my options at that time.

leo_clie

02-13-2004, 03:05 AM

I don't have problem with paying small money ammout, for happy downloading. Especially since the FTP-Site is one of the few I really can download Videos from my company (behind firewall and some http-sites not allowed).

Fez

02-13-2004, 08:59 PM

I know you are running out of bandwith, but please! Please! Don't make it Pay-for-Download. You're the only place I know to get MQV videos. Because of Sony, theres no IC for the Mac. I would help you host them but my server is kinda iffy right now.

ncoday

02-13-2004, 09:13 PM

Originally posted by Fez
I know you are running out of bandwith, but please! Please! Don't make it Pay-for-Download. You're the only place I know to get MQV videos. Because of Sony, theres no IC for the Mac. I would help you host them but my server is kinda iffy right now.

The problem is this:

If the alloted bandwidth I have is used up in the first 10 days, then no-one can download ANY videos until the END of that month, another 20-21 days of NO videos!!

pmb

02-14-2004, 02:50 PM

my methods of downloading nowadays are bittorrent and IRC

theres already an irc channel but not everyone serves...bit torrent could be alot better solution since it downloads small parts from every user/seed and distributes it evenly, so not all of the bandwidth is going to one source...if everyone is willing to host these bittorrent files im pretty sure you're bandwidth problems will greatly lower

OcellNuri

02-14-2004, 02:55 PM

The bittorrent files could be hosted in the same place the videos are currently hosted, and would use up nearly no bandwidth at all.

leo_clie

02-16-2004, 07:26 AM

But with bittorrent I'm not able to use it behind cooparate firewall :( or has anybody comments about how to configure bittorrent so it works behing wall?

volcanopele

02-16-2004, 09:32 AM

Doesn't bittorrent require a seperate installed program? Do they have a Unix (particularly Solaris) version.

One tip might be to not archive TV shows so long. Quite frankly I rarely download te older clips and stick to those you just posted. This might hurt those who just now catch on, but it might help to relieve bandwidth issues.

RedSlug

02-18-2004, 06:18 PM

Time to create a new newsgroup

alt.binaries.movies.clie

Dripps

02-18-2004, 06:21 PM

now I'm with you RedSlug. How do you create newsgroup? Perhaps we can just post to existing group........find something which looks empty or relavant.
Problem is those files are only there for short time (depending on your provider)....will only stay current for short time and then pooff....they're gone!

ncoday

02-18-2004, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by Dripps
now I'm with you RedSlug. How do you create newsgroup? Perhaps we can just post to existing group........find something which looks empty or relavant.
Problem is those files are only there for short time (depending on your provider)....will only stay current for short time and then pooff....they're gone!

There is also a typical limit of something like 536KB per file. I am not going to spend the additional time of compressing and splitting the files. That is just too much work. The posting of videos would slow down considerably.

What_the?

02-18-2004, 06:33 PM

definitely bittorrent is a good idea

of course direct download is better, but bittorrent will save you some bandwidth at the cost of ours... but that's ok...

gooer

02-18-2004, 09:33 PM

A subscription service would be a great way to get arrested!

OcellNuri

02-18-2004, 09:50 PM

^ Bingo

ncoday

02-18-2004, 09:53 PM

I agree, however that also means that ALL the videos could eventually disappear!

OcellNuri

02-18-2004, 09:59 PM

Bittorrent man. It's the way to go. You're hosting just about nothing with BT. Just the files that connect everyone together.

leo_clie

02-19-2004, 02:33 AM

No BT, because no access behind firewalls!

jumpyg

02-19-2004, 07:21 AM

No BT, because no access behind firewalls!

The issue is bandwidth, not access behind firewalls. Just do your downloading from home, and you'll be fine.

jumpyg

02-19-2004, 07:23 AM

There is also a typical limit of something like 536KB per file. I am not going to spend the additional time of compressing and splitting the files. That is just too much work. The posting of videos would slow down considerably.
I know there are programs that automate this process. Uploading a large file should be just as easy as smaller files. Unfortunately, I don't know the names of any such programs.

I think the newsgroup idea is excellent. The only question I have is how long does it take an ISP to offer a new newsgroup? Do I just ask my ISP to add it?

Bit torrent also sounds like a nice idea--I've never used it but others say it is great.

leo_clie

02-19-2004, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by jumpyg

The issue is bandwidth, not access behind firewalls. Just do your downloading from home, and you'll be fine.

Or is the issue money? Then just spend 5 bugs for it instead of being greedy.

Bandwith from home? With a 56K modem? You are joking, aren't you? In company no problem with speed.

jumpyg

02-19-2004, 11:46 AM

Bandwith from home? With a 56K modem?
No--with a cable or DSL connection.

If there's a way to distribute the videos for free, that is the one more people will be able to take advantage of.

Does your company prohibit downloading such videos at work? Are you trying to violate that policy by getting around their controls? That's probably not a good idea, since most companies can fire an employee for that.

volcanopele

02-19-2004, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by jumpyg

No--with a cable or DSL connection.

If there's a way to distribute the videos for free, that is the one more people will be able to take advantage of.

Does your company prohibit downloading such videos at work? Are you trying to violate that policy by getting around their controls? That's probably not a good idea, since most companies can fire an employee for that. And then there's me, who only uses his clie to connect online at home and a Solaris system to connect online at work. With a website like ncoday's, I can just download the video, then copy it to a CF card using a card reader connected to a mac here in the computer room. Does Bittorrent require a downloaded client and if so, is there one for UNIX systems (forget about the Mac, we can't install anything on it).

Edlin

02-19-2004, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by volcanopele

One tip might be to not archive TV shows so long. Quite frankly I rarely download te older clips and stick to those you just posted. This might hurt those who just now catch on, but it might help to relieve bandwidth issues.

The problem doesnt seem to be storage of the files, but how much is getting downloaded. 20 GB / day is extreme!

Wish I could help with the hosting.... will try to think of other options.

Sharing them via bit torrent & p2p might be the only feasible way. Though no way any where near as good as a ftp server.

A newsgroup would imo be not very good.

Slow free web space providers are probally more hasle than worth... very few would let you store even one 70 mb file.

Cutting out the swim suit stuff is bound to lower your bandwidth requiremnts (as was said above) ;)

Maybe use the days after teh bandwidth is killed for the month as upload times.

Anyhow, good luck with it NCO

ns6490

02-19-2004, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by leo_clie

Or is the issue money? Then just spend 5 bugs for it instead of being greedy.

Bandwith from home? With a 56K modem? You are joking, aren't you? In company no problem with speed.

The issue here isn't to cater to the needs of one person who wants to download videos at work. And as has been stated, money changing hands will lead to all sorts of legal liability for ncoday.

djpm05

02-19-2004, 05:38 PM

bt seems like the best idea. is it possible to reserve say 1GB of bandwidth for one folder and leave the rest for other vids so people could download directly but get BT if they were able? I LOVE Bittorrent, but for some reason about 10 min. after i start downloading something with it (regardless of client) my computer gives me the blue screen. :( I can restart and resume download but you can tell that's not a very good way to do it. haha regardless of my computer issues, I would go with Bittorrent, and possibly a direct download as well if that's possible. :)

-David King

volcanopele

02-19-2004, 05:46 PM

Okay, I found a bittorrent client I can use!! Yeah.

Tim_axe

02-19-2004, 06:03 PM

If NCO Day uses bittorrent, which the server admin declined according a a post in another thread, he would have to use his own bandwidth or have other people distribute it. Since he is in college, they probably won't be happy to have him using P2P on campus, and would limit his bandwidth. So until there are a lot of seeders, everything will be very slow.

Then there is the issue of finding a tracker. We will need to use one to post/control the torrent files.

After a tracker has been found, if NCO day wants the BT route, we will need to find people who are avaliable to seed the files for everyone else. So instead of saying "Use BT," say something like "I'm on cable and I can seed some files for you." Maybe those who are offering to seed can be given access to the files on the website or somewhere else so it can be seeded. Then after the file is well seeded, it is possible that BT can be used both fast and reliably, although we will always want people to seed as long as possible. But all of this is up to NCO day, since he controls the videos.

BTW, I can offer about 10-20kb/s of upload speed... I'd cut this back after uploading about 4-5 gigs though...

-Tim_axe

ncoday

02-19-2004, 06:28 PM

I never said I was going to use BT and the more I read about it, the more I don't like it.

I definitely think I am leaning towards an individual quota system with preference on larger quota given to those who donate.

leo_clie

02-20-2004, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by jumpyg

Does your company prohibit downloading such videos at work? Are you trying to violate that policy by getting around their controls? That's probably not a good idea, since most companies can fire an employee for that.

Company doesn't prohibit it. So, what's it? They only restrict the access to the ftp, but even this could be easily bypassed.

IF they wanna fire me, then they always find some kind of reason, no matter what. And if it would be only 'You didn't clean your dish.' That's in US. IF they wanna try it here in Europe, I think they bang against a brick wall with this intention.

ThanX for your care but it's useless in this point.

Originally posted by ns6490

The issue here isn't to cater to the needs of one person who wants to download videos at work. And as has been stated, money changing hands will lead to all sorts of legal liability for ncoday.

Uhu, I see, so probably it's the issue to cater files around so people download 1000 hour movies for watching within one week. And about this *legal liability* I can only add, that's some US-issue. Aren't the most files freely available? I haven't seen any kind of *commercial* stuff on the FTP-site which might violate copyright laws. Perhaps there are - but I don't see them in first hand.

So, what kind of *legal* 'liability' would there be? You can sue him, because the Bandwith is exceeded although you've donated 5 bugs? Sue him for 1.000.000 $ that your healthy situation decreased because you couldn't get XXXX.mov?

Sorry, I don't get it. And if there are some really keen for BT, then why not open them by thereself? I personally would really like a FTP-access, and pay - Why not? Everything in this world costs something. So, why not downloading?

ns6490

02-20-2004, 09:48 AM

In any case, Usenet is, in the long run, really the best way to distribute the files. Its advantages far outweigh the negatives. It won't rely on any one person to post all the files. It won't rely on a single host to store all the files. The distribution network will be much wider than cliesource, so many more people will contribute their files. Even if ncoday decides to host his files on a server, it would be worthwhile to initiate a alt.binaries.palm.multimedia newsgroup.

Sanity

02-12-2005, 10:42 AM

Check out <a href="http://dijjer.org/">Dijjer</a>, its open source, works through firewalls, and, unlike BitTorrent, can play-back videos as they are being downloaded (see some examples on their website).

jjesusfreak01

02-12-2005, 10:44 AM

Sybaek2k

04-25-2005, 10:07 PM

Thought I'd try to contribute here:

http://www.globat.com/index.php?ckset=ok

Good for another 3.5 hours or so.

Tam Hanna

04-26-2005, 11:31 AM

What kind of movies are you talking about??

eric2002

05-03-2005, 07:15 PM

Geeesh you guys, i posted a thread about this months ago...

use Grouper, it's made for the exact thing your all mentioning. They specialize in sharing very large video files.

It's a private p2p app, very easy to use. There are no storage concerns, legal concerns etc...It's free, no spyware, etc.. you create a private group and invite only those members you want to join. There is no uploading files, you choose which files from your computer you want to share and they are available for the members you've invited to your group. everyone in the group can share amoung each other (unlike an ftp where one person pushes their files to everyone).

www.grouper.com

eric2002

05-03-2005, 07:35 PM

here's a link to request to join a new group I just set up for sharing videos:
http://directory.grouper.com/g.aspx?g=124104

-you can click on this link before you've installed grouper or after (it doesn't matter).

I've tried bit torrent, ftp sites, etc... this is really the easiest way to share large files in my opinion. there is no uploading, and it's pretty straight forward.

TEobsessor

05-07-2005, 05:46 PM

might i suggest:

http://www.foreverhost.us

Supposedly unlimited space and bandwidth, the owner is available readily using AIM, MSN, or email, and is very personable.

Haven't tried it myself but at $40 (US) for a lifetime account and $10 for a year, it can't hurt to try it can it? By month is $4 if i remember correctly, but you can check the website.

Let us know the new address so we can get in on the movie action!

lmame

05-08-2005, 06:00 AM

eric2002

05-10-2005, 12:34 PM

i just recommened a FREE site that is made to transfer videos... it's a FREE p2p file sharing company. www.grouper.com

there are no bandwidth/size limits as you are transferring between each other's computers and can browse all available files that each user chooses to share.

This company was made to transfer videos, photos, music between friends in a private p2p atmosphere. The entire company was built around exactly what your needs are!! :)