Mmmm...Toshiba e805 looks yummy

[NJL!2016]

http://www.the-gadgeteer.com/toshiba-e805-review.html

This looks like a pretty nice device. If I didn't have over $500 invested in PalmOS software, I'd buy it! The wireless features are great, and it has a VGA screen! This could be my next PDA. What d you think?

[abid786]

Don't say such things here:D

These PalmOS/Clié fanatics/worshippers will kill you for even looking at a PocketPC device:D

Abid

[gklinger]

I've been saying this for ages. I'm waiting for a PalmOS device with the specs of the e805. That would be fantastic. With the advent of OS6, there's a pretty good chance we'll see such a device in the next year.

[winexprt]

Yummy!? What...are ya gonna EAT the dang thing!?? LOL

And you asked so...this is what I think: your enthusium over getting a PocketPC kinda tells me you've never owned one. Read about my experiences with PocketPC here: http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=481288#post481288

[winexprt]

PocketPC's....pardon my French....SUCK!

[winexprt]

The biggest selling point PocketPC's have is paper.

PocketPC's specs look REALLY awesome on paper...real world performance is a whole different story.

[Ptah]

I was told it's a piece of cr*p with nice specs and an awesome screen.
AND that hardly any app can use the hires mode.

Gotta love that screen though and I can't wait until those become commonplace.

[lostether]

Actually someone put out a freeware patch that allows any app to run in the VGA mode. The screen concept is cool, although I hear they have serious problems with bad pixels.

The problem is this is kind of a proof of concept device. It probably will not be supported much, because when PPC2004 comes out this summer, it should have built in support for this, and is unlikely to be implemented the way Toshiba did it. Think landscape on Sony and PalmOS and Zodiac.

Now if the Toshiba did landscape with Opera or even PocketIE the VGA screen might be a huge selling point. It's still PPC though, and using the OS is not always a pleasant experience.

[UFG]

The e805 is quite snappy, and most of the programs DO support the VGA resolution (both portrait and landscape). I've had the chance to play with my friend's e805 for a few hours and I must say, in terms of software, it's pretty amazing. Browsing the web on a PDA at 640x480 (480x640 is okay too) is pretty awesome. I must say, the e805 is about 100x more responsive than the Sony Launcher that comes with the Clies. Using the Sony Launcher on an NX80V is like gouging my eye out with a jagged knife. Now don't get me wrong, I love the NX80V, but I'm saying that the e805 is much quicker than it, and it's sad that so many people have preconceived notions about PPC. The only thing I don't like about the e805 is that it's ugly as hell and needs the hires fix to work completey in VGA mode. Other than that, it's a great PDA.

[winexprt]

Originally posted by UFG
The e805 is quite snappy, and most of the programs DO support the VGA resolution (both portrait and landscape). I've had the chance to play with my friend's e805 for a few hours and I must say, in terms of software, it's pretty amazing. Browsing the web on a PDA at 640x480 (480x640 is okay too) is pretty awesome. I must say, the e805 is about 100x more responsive than the Sony Launcher that comes with the Clies. Using the Sony Launcher on an NX80V is like gouging my eye out with a jagged knife. Now don't get me wrong, I love the NX80V, but I'm saying that the e805 is much quicker than it, and it's sad that so many people have preconceived notions about PPC. The only thing I don't like about the e805 is that it's ugly as hell and needs the hires fix to work completey in VGA mode. Other than that, it's a great PDA.

I think one of the reasons the e805 is much quicker than my (our) NX80 is that it runs at 400MHz while the NX80 runs at 200MHz.

Unfortunatly, my notions about the PocketPC came from using it on a daily basis not from preconception. It is a horrible OS. PalmOS is light years ahead of it in terms of stability & reliablity.

My NX80 feels just as fast as the fastest PPC I ever used. PCC & PalmOS use their respective resources (RAM) in very different ways. I takes a PPC with a 400Mz chip & 128MB of RAM to feel like the same Palm machine with half (or less) of those specs.

[RD100]

I originally had pre-conceived notions that I wouldn't like using a PPC, but after buying and using one for nearly two months, I can say it is a very nice PDA, and I am very happy with my purchase.

It just takes a little while getting used to the PPC OS, after being accustomed to using Palm. 

The freeware applications I have for my PPC are wonderful. Graphics are fantastic. Sound is great. And there's plenty of apps out there if you search for them. If you go into PPC forums (similar to ClieSource) you will find threads which point to the best places to get free software.

The most recent great freeware app I just found for my PPC is free detailed city maps. They have maps for most of the cities in the US, plus Canada, and a few European countries. The maps include streets and highways, points of interest, restaurants, service stations, schools, churches, ATMs, and lots of other useful stuff.

So if you've had a bad experience with a PPC, don't blame all PPC's as being bad. There are many people like me who have had a very good experience using them.

All it takes is one badly written 3rd party application to cause a Hard Reset in either Palm or PPC.  I've had that experience with both OS's, so I know neither is 100% stable.

I do however, like Palm's backup and restore abilities over PPC. With Palm, all I need to do is Hot Sync, and I am back to normal. With PPC, there is nothing built in to the OS to do a similar restore. You need to buy a separate app, like Sprite Backup.

And just on a personal note, why create multiple posts, one immediately after another in the same thread ? Why not just go back and edit your original post ?

[winexprt]

Originally posted by RD100
And just on a personal note, why create multiple posts, one immediately after another in the same thread ? Why not just go back and edit your original post ?

I can only assume this is directed to little 'ole me! ;)

Well, I guess one reason I don't do that is I don't want to create the worlds longest post!

Can you imagine how long posts would get if we constantly went back and added more and more stuff to them?

[RD100]

I am referring to when you write one post immediately after the other ?

Why not just edit the first one ?

[winexprt]

I thought I just answered why not.

[yr3698]

im lookin for a hp equivalent to the e805, ie, 640x480.

[xynos]

i'm keeping my x3i in the meantime :D

[winexprt]

Since when did this become 'PocketPC Source'?? LOL

[xynos]

Not uncommon for people to have more than 1 PDA, I suppose :D

[lostether]

I agree with winexpert, I have had a lot of experience with the PPC and it just is not as well suited to the handheld device as the PalmOS is. Overall the PPC is slow, for a number of reasons, mainly due to overly complex and poorly designed (for a PDA) PIM apps. It just takes too long to accomplish the same thing on a PPC as compared to the PalmOS. Certainly people can argue about the virtues of the PPC, but it would probably get a more positive response in, say, the appropriate forum. This IS Cliesource after all.

[RD100]

Originally posted by winexprt
Since when did this become 'PocketPC Source'?? LOL

We will always be debating PPC versus Palm OS in ClieSource. It's a very typical question many new PDA owners have - which platform to choose ?

ClieSource has many members who have tried both types, and can provide useful insight.

I think it would be great if ClieSource created a Forum dedicated to the Palm versus PPC topic, so the threads would all be kept in one location.

[Unregistered]

toshibas suck, but other pocket pc's are much better. first off, toshiba has a button lag, which means that you can only hit one button at a time (nto too fun while playing emulated games like mario) and the service for toshiba sucks (i know from experiance). if your looking for a good pocket pc, go with the asus 620!!!

[Spiral]

Toshiba e800 is better than anything (save the Sharp Zaurus) for surfing the web.

[lostether]

Originally posted by Spiral
Toshiba e800 is better than anything (save the Sharp Zaurus) for surfing the web.

I agree, at 640x480 (and I am taking some peoples word for the fact it can do landscape with some browser, whether it is PocketIE or something else) and the speed of WiFi it would be pretty amazing. Of course, many think the UX screen is small but the Toshiba screen is even denser. I would imagine 640x480 without special formatting would still be nearly impossible to use.