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Wytnucls
02-10-2004, 02:02 PM
Well, what do you know? DataViz kept to its word. No release date or pricing yet. (March and ~USD50.00 most likely)

NEW! Fresh New Handheld & Desktop Interface - Pretty enough to win a beauty contest, but powerful enough to enter a weight lifting competition!

NEW! Hi-Res, Zoom and OS 5 Support - <SPAN class=default10>More information than ever can now fit cleanly per screen, thus eliminating the need click, tab and scroll through multiple screens just to find that one important stat. </SPAN>

NEW! Full &amp; Seamless Expansion Card Support - Simply select the databases that you want to move to the card and we'll do the rest ~ saving your links, joins, preferences and valuable handheld memory.

NEW! Totally Revamped Desktop Application - One app, one place to organize, access and design all of your mobile databases.

NEW! Improved Import &amp; Export Options - Whether your information is in an Access database, an Excel spreadsheet, or a text file, there's a simple 1-2-3 step by step process to get it onto your handheld.

NEW! New SmartList Creation Wizard &amp; Tips - Never has it been easier to get started with a database program, yet alone one for the handheld.

NEW! Advanced Integration Options - Don't enter data twice. Plug-in to your Date Book, Address Book or even other applications like Beyond Contacts.

NEW! Bug Fixes &amp; Stability Improvements - Everyone makes mistakes, but you found them, and we fixed them.

http://www.dataviz.com/news/press/pressreleases/Detail.html?id=104
Tixx
02-10-2004, 03:54 PM
About time!

Thanks for the info:)
Tixx
02-12-2004, 01:58 PM
The Beta is out. Seems nice so far.:)
volcanopele
02-12-2004, 02:49 PM
Very nice indeed. I've been playing with it for the last hour, reformatting my databases to work with this new version.
Tixx
02-12-2004, 03:15 PM
Had to e-mail them twice with 3 issues.

1) Double entries (Card and RAM) when a password protected db is placed on the card tapped and then cancelled.

2) Font setting keeps going back to the largest setting.

3) When drawing a picture and then coming back into the record, the bottom tool bar disappears.
cherylmeadows2
02-12-2004, 03:27 PM
Where is the beta version available?
Tixx
02-12-2004, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by cherylmeadows2
Where is the beta version available?

You have to sign up with www.dataviz.com somewhere.
Tixx
02-12-2004, 07:09 PM
Anyone find other issues that I could try and verify?
51Cards
02-12-2004, 08:08 PM
Dang... looks like they closed the beta program.
Tixx
02-12-2004, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by 51Cards
Dang... looks like they closed the beta program.

You mean registering for it?
51Cards
02-12-2004, 08:14 PM
Just going by what was posted on their "v3.0 Sneak Peek" FAQ list:

"Is there a beta program? We are not currently running a public beta program."

Where was the resistration for it?
sebring
02-12-2004, 08:23 PM
Dataviz emailed me with the registration, based on a survey I completed on their site a few months ago.
RalphSchreiber
02-13-2004, 01:09 AM
I've got the beta, too. There is a little problem with german 'umlauten' (ä,ö,ü) when copying a file from RAM to card. You have to replace the umlaute by their subsitutes ae, oe, ue. Mayby that other users have problems with special characters, too.

The rest is fine so far, and the GUI looks much better than before.

Ralph
sebring
02-13-2004, 09:37 AM
Biggest issue I've encountered, is a crash everytime I try to access one of the last several records in a Smartlist. Seems to only affect Smartlists with >100 records. Also the copy of a Smartlist on the card sometimes reports more records than the copy in RAM, even though they should be exact copies.
Tixx
02-13-2004, 10:52 AM
I've also see the drawing areas become simply black and white with a scrambled screen, like it does not know it is a color device.
Wytnucls
02-18-2004, 03:03 AM
Noticed some improvements, but mostly cosmetic, so far.
Back to 2.6 and CodeDiver for me until a more stable beta comes out.
pusfarm
02-18-2004, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by Tixx
Anyone find other issues that I could try and verify? Try deleting one or more records from a memory card-based tinybyte.&nbsp; Does the number of records change?&nbsp; If not, move it to the Clie and the number should be accurate.

BUT WAIT.... move it back to the card and the number should once again be inaccurate.

At least, that's what happened to me.&nbsp; I emailed Dataviz about it.
Tixx
02-19-2004, 01:59 PM
Known Issues
We are aware of the following issues in the current Beta, these will be addressed in upcoming Beta releases.

Fatal Alert, Emul68KCommon.c,Line:1594,Index out of range

In a SmartList with over 100 records, tapping on any record past the 99th causes this crash.



Zoom State not being saved

You may notice the zoom state is occasionally lost when opening and closing the application.



Record counts not being updated when a SmartList resides on an expansion card

The record count displayed in the main list of SmartLists will not update properly when a SmartList is installed on a card.



Recently used drop down list not functioning properly when a SmartList resides on a card

The recently used list will display SmartLists on the card, but when tapped on, the program reports an error that the SmartList is not available.



Field drawing issues when displaying Hi Res Fonts

We are aware of a few drawing issues in regards to zoom states which effects scrolling, these will be addressed in a future beta release.



Expansion Card support on a TapWave Zodiac

When choosing to move a SmartList to an expansion card while using a Zodiac, the "Internal" memory will display as an available card.



Hi Res support on Sony OS 4 devices

Zoom states will not function properly in the record editor on Sony handhelds with Hi Res support.
Vidge
02-19-2004, 04:31 PM
This looked good on my T3 but I'm back to 2.603 for now. That >100 records bug needs to get fixed before I can try it again. Plus, I couldn't use the desktop with the 3 beta :(
sebring
02-19-2004, 09:52 PM
Vidge, there is a work around, if you change the sort order, it changes the records that cause the crash. The crash isn't specific to the record, but rather it's position in the listing of records. If you rely on it, you're probably better off waiting for a more stable version. I also miss having my Smartlists backed up the the desktop.
pusfarm
02-20-2004, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by Tixx
Known Issues
Record counts not being updated when a SmartList resides on an expansion card

The record count displayed in the main list of SmartLists will not update properly when a SmartList is installed on a card.
Yeah, I forgot to read about the known issues. :D
RalphSchreiber
03-10-2004, 01:09 AM
Today, March 10th my SLTG Beta told me, that it thinks that the time has come to expire. It won't start anymore ...&nbsp; F.... So we learn, not to rely on beta software, because I noticed this on my way to the office. No chance to go back to 2.6 at the moment. Has anybody heard of a final release date? On the Dataviz pages I couldn't find anything but "Version 3.0 Coming Soon!"

Ralph
volcanopele
03-10-2004, 01:54 AM
grrr...just noticed that too. Luckily, I saved a copy of 2.6 on my CF card (don't use the Smartlist desktop component because I use UNIX machines at work and at home). Anyways, it told me that my trial of Smartlist was expired and I needed to input my registration information. Guess what, my registration information, is in a Smartlist.
volcanopele
03-10-2004, 02:06 AM
Luckily Dataviz has an automated way of retrieving a registration code.
SamuraiCatJB
03-10-2004, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Vidge
This looked good on my T3 but I'm back to 2.603 for now. That >100 records bug needs to get fixed before I can try it again. Plus, I couldn't use the desktop with the 3 beta :(

egads, but I have two db's with 100's (plural).... I guess I will wait to make sure you folks know this is fixed before I upgrade....
volcanopele
03-10-2004, 10:37 AM
Actually, the latest beta now has that bug fixed.
Vidge
03-10-2004, 10:22 PM
Beta 2 fixed the 100 records bug. Beta 3 was released today.
Tixx
03-11-2004, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by Vidge
Beta 2 fixed the 100 records bug. Beta 3 was released today.
Thanks for the heads up Vidge:)
volcanopele
03-17-2004, 04:02 PM
Beta 4 is out with the desktop component
Tixx
03-17-2004, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by volcanopele
Beta 4 is out with the desktop component

Thanks:D Wished they'd e-mail us when they put it up.
Tixx
03-17-2004, 05:49 PM
Looks like they did this time. My fault.
Tixx
03-17-2004, 06:17 PM
I'm confused. It seems like we need a registered version to use the new desktop or something. I cannot access it. I am a registered user.
sebring
03-17-2004, 06:35 PM
Thanks for the heads up.:D Wow, this puppy is huge, 15.9MB.:confused:
SamuraiCatJB
03-17-2004, 06:44 PM
I wish they would hurry up and release a final.... :)
volcanopele
03-17-2004, 06:45 PM
That includes the desktop component. Unfortunately, I can't try it.
Vidge
03-17-2004, 08:37 PM
Originally posted by Tixx
I'm confused. It seems like we need a registered version to use the new desktop or something. I cannot access it. I am a registered user.

I got this message, too, but I just hit OK and it worked. Note that if you have an icon on your desktop to start SLTG it is not updated. You need to start the program from the start menu.

I got it all installed but the desktop is not ready for prime time :(
[list=1]
My fields are all out of order. No way to re-order that I can find
One of my fields is created as the result of a db lookup. On the desktop, the field is blank.
For some reason, the program thinks that all of the lists on the desktop are new, even though I've made no changes. When I hotsync, I get a message that the handheld version is being archived on the desktop but then it can't copy the new version to the handheld. Fortunately, it is leaving the version on the handheld untouched.
[/list=1]
sebring
03-17-2004, 09:32 PM
Took me a while to realize the Smartlists all had to be in RAM for them to sync to the desktop. It also choked on two of my larger Smartlists, recommending I delete them off the handheld because they were corrupt (yea, right, I'm gonna just delete hours and hours of work and data that's irreplacable just because this stupid program has a bug). Both the DBs that choked were password protected from design changes. That appears to be what the desktop interpreted as corruption.

I emailed Dataviz that this was a shamefully under-developed version, but that was before I discovered I could move my DBs to the Desktop by moving them to RAM before hotsyncing. Something that needs to be fixed, IMO.
SamuraiCatJB
03-18-2004, 09:19 AM
yeah, I agree.... although right now I solve this by moving everything that does not need to sync to the desktop to MS (like solitair, gas-mileage, calc, etc.) this gives me enough room for the space hogs like smartlist for now.... but I do wish they could sync bidirectionally with a MS database....
Tixx
03-19-2004, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by Vidge


I got this message, too, but I just hit OK and it worked. Note that if you have an icon on your desktop to start SLTG it is not updated. You need to start the program from the start menu.

I got it all installed but the desktop is not ready for prime time :(
[list=1]
My fields are all out of order. No way to re-order that I can find
One of my fields is created as the result of a db lookup. On the desktop, the field is blank.
For some reason, the program thinks that all of the lists on the desktop are new, even though I've made no changes. When I hotsync, I get a message that the handheld version is being archived on the desktop but then it can't copy the new version to the handheld. Fortunately, it is leaving the version on the handheld untouched.
[/list=1]

Haven't checked back in this thread in a while. Thanks for the info Vidge:) I did already figure it out on my own and came to the exact conclusion you did, having to start it from the start menu.

I've been getting those type of messages too. I deleted all of the ones that came with the program via the desktop and it now stopped with the errors.
Tixx
03-19-2004, 12:55 AM
Here are some of my messages that started up again with no changes other than simply hotsyncing a second time:

SmartList To Go messages:
-- The SmartList BIZ Meeting Mgr is new on desktop but already exists on the handheld. The handheld copy was archived on the desktop and the desktop copy was downloaded to the handheld.
-- The SmartList BIZ Meeting Mgr is no longer on the handheld, so the desktop copy was archived.
Tixx
03-19-2004, 01:01 AM
Happened again for no apparent reason, like every other sync or something.

SmartList To Go messages:
-- The SmartList BIZ Meeting Mgr is new on desktop but already exists on the handheld. The handheld copy was archived on the desktop and the desktop copy was downloaded to the handheld.
-- The SmartList BIZ Meeting Mgr is no longer on the handheld, so the desktop copy was archived.
OK SmartList To Go with 2 message(s)
RalphSchreiber
03-19-2004, 01:03 AM
I'm using WinME and after installation of the desktop app I can't start this. The program is always terminated due to a runtime problem. I reported this to Dataviz and received the info, that there are issues with Win98 (and consequently WinME) they are working on.

Ralph
SamuraiCatJB
03-19-2004, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by Tixx
Happened again for no apparent reason, like every other sync or something.

SmartList To Go messages:
-- The SmartList BIZ Meeting Mgr is new on desktop but already exists on the handheld. The handheld copy was archived on the desktop and the desktop copy was downloaded to the handheld.
-- The SmartList BIZ Meeting Mgr is no longer on the handheld, so the desktop copy was archived.
OK SmartList To Go with 2 message(s)

I take back my request.... don't hurry... please release this when it is working right.... ;)
Vidge
03-19-2004, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by Tixx
Happened again for no apparent reason, like every other sync or something.

SmartList To Go messages:
-- The SmartList BIZ Meeting Mgr is new on desktop but already exists on the handheld. The handheld copy was archived on the desktop and the desktop copy was downloaded to the handheld.
-- The SmartList BIZ Meeting Mgr is no longer on the handheld, so the desktop copy was archived.
OK SmartList To Go with 2 message(s)

Well, you're getting along further with it than I am. I'm getting the message about them being new but then they can't copy them to the handheld. I sent this info to the beta team and yesterday, they contacted me for copies of my databases.

We'll see what happens.
Tixx
03-19-2004, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Vidge


Well, you're getting along further with it than I am. I'm getting the message about them being new but then they can't copy them to the handheld. I sent this info to the beta team and yesterday, they contacted me for copies of my databases.

We'll see what happens.

Weird thing is that the ones with problems are all their pre-made ones. I have never used these and they just keep coming back and giving me errors. :(
Vidge
03-20-2004, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by Tixx


Weird thing is that the ones with problems are all their pre-made ones. I have never used these and they just keep coming back and giving me errors. :(

I'm getting the errors on all of my own databases but only one of theirs. I have no idea what the problem might be but I'm hoping it gets fixed soon.