Will Datebk5 work on it out of the box?

[Palmguru]

That's all I care about when upgrading

[Unregistered]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

I think the odds are good. If you look at the specs, it indicates that it has versions 4.55S of Datebook, To Do list, Memo Pad, and Address Book. This bodes well, I think, as it means that the standard databases that Datebk 5 uses will be there.

[joejoe]

Has anyone checked with Pimlico Software to verify this?

[Unregistered]

Here is the response I got from the developer of the program. Doesn't make it sound certain, but at least hopeful...:
>>>>>>>>>>
I have no information here but neither have I received any indication that
there would be a problem either... I don't see anything in the officially
release information that indicatesthere is something radically different (as
there was with the T3 and E Tungstens).

Cheers!
CESD, Pimlico Software, Inc.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

[tgoulart]

Given that fact that a trial version of Agendus ships with the unit, my guess is that you'll be all set.

[Unregistered]

DateBk5 works on the TH-55 and uses the whole screen. That said, the new Agenda app Sony supplies with the TH-55 does just about everything DatebK5 does, you probably won't need it...

[yorrick]

I have used datebk4/5 on my old Palm IIIx.
When I switched over to a Clie T615C, I loaded datebk5 and it worked fine (apart from re-adjusting my options and preferences).

I recently switched over to a T3. Loaded datebk5 and everything worked first go. I encountered a few other issues - but this was more related to the conduit than anything else.

Will it work "out of a box". Damn right it will! :)
This piece of software would rank as my all time favourite.

[orol]

yorrick: that's why I'm wondering why people are buyin agendus, which even now has some problems with UX50 an T3..

[joejoe]

Originally posted by Unregistered
DateBk5 works on the TH-55 and uses the whole screen. That said, the new Agenda app Sony supplies with the TH-55 does just about everything DatebK5 does, you probably won't need it...

You may very well be right that people will prefer the built in Agenda but it's nice that Datebk5 WILL work & that people will have a choice.

[riversen]

Okay, this begs the question. Will I be able to remove Agendus from the Clie? I only use DateBK5 and have heard that there are some possible conflicts here.

[Aces]

Originally posted by riversen
Okay, this begs the question. Will I be able to remove Agendus from the Clie? I only use DateBK5 and have heard that there are some possible conflicts here.

Agendus comes as "trial software".&nbsp; So you should be able to choose to NOT install it in the 1st place.&nbsp; From the .pdf&nbsp;sales brochure, here is a complete list&nbsp;"trial software":

Worldmate Pro, Scoreboard, Visto MessageXpress, Contacts Pro, Prsenter-to-go,&nbsp;&nbsp;Agendus, PowerOne Personal&nbsp;Calculator, Audible, MobiPocket, Breakout, Warfare Inc., Acid Solitare,&nbsp;Bejewled.

&nbsp;

[Palmguru]

I won't need Datebk5 anymore?

Some questions then.

Will the Clie Scheduler support floating events?

What about saved views? These are real important to me as I like to look at my contexts.

Any other things that may be in Clie Scheduler (or Organizer?) - that they have borrowed from Datebk5? It would take a lot for me to switch from Datebk5.

[mdlsimpson]

From what I've seen, Datebook 5 and Agendus may not be needed anymore with the new Clie Organizer software...I have been a user of both programs for several years now (since Datebook 3 and Action Names) and from what I've seen.... this new Clie Organizer offers more functionality than either of those programs offer.... but both of those programs have become familiar faces on my machines and I might have some withdrawal symptoms at first!

[joejoe]

Originally posted by mdlsimpson
From what I've seen, Datebook 5 and Agendus may not be needed anymore with the new Clie Organizer software...I have been a user of both programs for several years now (since Datebook 3 and Action Names) and from what I've seen.... this new Clie Organizer offers more functionality than either of those programs offer.... but both of those programs have become familiar faces on my machines and I might have some withdrawal symptoms at first!

Some people, like you, may feel that the new Agenda software is indeed preferable, especially those who have never heavily relied on Datebk5 or Agendus. It certainly has appealing features!!

As for myself, I'd like to first see how it deals with irregular repeating events, floating events & the like.

[riversen]

Originally posted by joejoe


Some people, like you, may feel that the new Agenda software is indeed preferable, especially those who have never heavily relied on Datebk5 or Agendus. It certainly has appealing features!!

As for myself, I'd like to first see how it deals with irregular repeating events, floating events & the like.

Good points. I think if you are not needing the more intricate functionality of DateBK5, then the switch is easy; however, I have become incredibly dependant upon DateBK5. Because if this, I don't think that I will be able to make the switch IMHO.

[rolando]

I will certainly be envious of those who can use these new features, but I won't be without my Datebk5.

Templates
Call/Action Templates
Floating Events
Saved Views

Datebk5 is so automated that I don't have to think about much to get my info into place.

Rolando

[PCMaven]

Can you use icons with the new Sony datebook like you can with Datebk5? I'd really miss my icons...

[joejoe]

Originally posted by PCMaven
Can you use icons with the new Sony datebook like you can with Datebk5? I'd really miss my icons...

I don't know but I kind of think that's what the "stickies" (I think they're called that) are for. Looks like it might be a whole new line of software possibilities for the icon software makers!

[rldunn]

I don't think it supports icons that are the same as the ones in DB5 and HandyShopper, but it has clip-art icons that can be dragged onto an appointment, which is what I think joejoe was referring to.

[Griff]

As one heck of a loyal user of Datebk5 and ShadowPlan, just ask CESD and Jeff,&nbsp;I have to admit I'm quite excited about the new Organizer.&nbsp; While I do depend on the programs quite a bit I am certainly open to new things that might get me to being even more efficient.&nbsp; I have a feeling the hand-written stuff may do just that.&nbsp; Alot of people prefer the actual pen and paper look/feel/form but use their PDAs because they are more powerful.

In my opinion Sony is the first to begin down the road all PDAs wil be traveling in the next few years...a hybrid PDA/paper-feel user experience.

My true hope is that the new organizer just adds the new stuff to a new database and retains the standard information in the regular databases.&nbsp; Instead of having an all new datebook database say it'd be nice if they had an extension database.&nbsp; Then I could still use Shadow and even jump into DB5 if needed.

If nothing else, it'll be fun to see the new Organizer.

[Griff]

Just found this little blurb on the Sony website.

addition to easy-to-use CLIE Organizer, CLIÉ TH55 also comes with standard PIM applications. You can change the size of text characters and the colours of the interface in all PIM applications, which also support full 480x320 pixel display. Moreover, the data you create with standard PIM applications can be seamlessly shared with CLIE Organizer.

Looks like the Organizer will be using the older databases for at least some of it's data.&nbsp; To me this means I'll be able to use DB5 in association with the Organizer if I so desire.&nbsp; Leave it to Sony to come out with extended functionality that doesn't break the core programs!

Reggie, Ed, any chance you could confirm that text data/appointments you put in Organizer are available in the standard datebook or even better, DB5?

[joejoe]

My question, if one chooses to use Intellisync Lite (which allows one to synchronize data with MS Outlook) [see p. 56 of the TH55 Manual], what happens to the addendum (shortcuts to stickies, notes, voice recordings, etc.)? Are those things overlooked or do they make synchronizing with Outlook impossible?

[SamuraiCatJB]

interesting.... well, I used agendus, because I got it cheap. it is time to upgrade and I am holding off until I get this in and try it. If the new TH works better I will leave off agendus and go with the change. :) If not, then I will debate on upgrading or moving to db5 etc. :)

[Griff]

My guess is the new "addendum stuff" will be left out of Outlook.&nbsp; It is possible that they've had the Intellisync folk add data fields within outlook to sync all the stuff but I doubt it.

I think we'll see people who use Outlook and the older PIM apps, those who really like the structure of their system and in another group we'll see Organizer/Palm Desktop people.&nbsp;

[joejoe]

Originally posted by Griff
My guess is the new "addendum stuff" will be left out of Outlook.&nbsp; It is possible that they've had the Intellisync folk add data fields within outlook to sync all the stuff but I doubt it.



I'm hoping you're right & that stuff will merely be left out.

I'd be using the scribbles, stickies, voice memos, colors, etc. on my handheld to get my attention during the day but I don't necessarily *need* this stuff in Outlook.

Hopefully Sony has allowed for this possibility.

[skccs]

It can be seen that clie-organiser (co) implements funktions which current datebook-apps don't.

But I suppose that the for ex. datebook5-power-users will all the same miss functions within clie-organier

For ex.

-hongkong th55 website shows that in month-view the color of the appointments is not visible, datebook5 (d5) shows that color in every view
-it seems that the appointment-prefs of "co" dont allow to set color depending to categories. My "d5" hat category-related formattings and colors set. If I create appointments in outlook or beam-receive them into a category they all have they colors like they should.
-in "d5" I use different views with filtered categories for ex. I filter in or out appointments of 3 different people, added to my appointments. Therefore the standard datebook app is for me unusable as it shows a complex structure of paralell appointments of 5 people (including the appointments of my wife). It has no categories and no filters or views. I suppose that for that reason "co" will not work for me unless I dump the appointmens of the other people or unless it has a filtering option.

I think the data are probably organized like that:

Standard-Datebook-Data (A)
- (B) Additional Clie-Organizer-Datebook-Data and Data-Links build on (A); differ from (C)
- (C) Additional Datebook5 Data and Data-Links build on (A), differ from (B)

Already there have been bad news from an other post in this thread stating that the manual says that not 2 different conduits (d5 and co) can be synced the same time.

[Jonavin]

Does the datebook app do templates and Advances? If not then DateBK5 is still going to be teh first thing loaded on a TH55 if I buy one.

[krypticide]

I think there's a desktop companion to the Organizer, so you can see all your stickies, etc.

[LiteBuLB]

I have an issue regarding datebk5. Whenever i open the app and turn on the virtual graffiti, then exit the app, and enter again, the virtual graffiti does not return to its original state which is stay down. Unlike those built in pims like datebook or to to's, the VG will stay down. Any way i could do this to datebk5?

I am using Clie NX70.

[Unregistered]

The official release verslon has s@me issues.. Check out the files section, here, for the preview version that worlrs better witn the TH55. Or go to the Yahoo Group.

[Sara]

I'm having an odd situation with files imported to TH55 from DateBook5 in T415: Some one-time events that had icons attached in DB5 (on the old T415) did not import. That is, the text and icon didn't import. Instead, on the Clie Organizer calendars (on the TH55) there is a little icon indicating a film (that is, indicating that a film is linked to the entry), but nothing happens if I tap it. And I can't get rid of it. On the Clie Organizer on the desktop, a dot (but no text and no icon) shows up, and on the Palm Desktop, nothing shows up.

Anyone can help me figure out what's happened -- and how to get rid of the filmstrip icon?

[Gar]

I get the filmstip icon from time to time in the CO calendar days as well. Tapping it does nothing and there doesn't seem to be anyway of removing it.


After playing with the built-ins for a while (I like the Clie Organizer calendar but it takes so long for it to become available when I choose it) I just installed DateMan2. Seems to be working pretty good. I like the list view of the week - being able to drag and drop events/meetings from one day to another.

Datebk has always tripped my up with it's wanting to take over all the built in. I only need the datebook improved. Sure, you can turn off all the features (memo, todo, address) but the install size stays the same.

[krypticide]

You can remove it by going to Clie Organizer preferences and unchecking "Show contents icon." It apparently indicates if you've done any multimedia that day (taking pics, etc.)

[Sara]

Thanks for your reply. In my case, at any rate, I don't think that's it, as the icon shows up under dates well before I purchased the TH55!

[threengs]

Question for Agendus and DB5 folks. Does either of those two apps allow you to view attendees for a meeting? I use Outlook 2002 at work and PocketMirror Pro with CO currently. CO will not show other Meeting attendees.

[PCMaven]

Db5 only syncs with address, contact, memos and to-do's...I can't speak for Agendus since I only used it for about a day or so before I switched to Db5 a few years ago...

[krypticide]

Sara, maybe your Clie has been used before. Doesn't that make you feel violated? ;-) I wouldn't want anyone handling my baby before I got it...

[Sara]

Sure hope it's never been used before. Don't think so ... just received it from Dell (at a great price, thanx to a tip on another thread!)...

Spoke to SONY support about this. A hard reset eliminated some -- but not all -- of those film icons. NOT ALL! Get this: with no data whatsoever on the PDA, the film icons still appeared on two dates (one before I purchased the PDA!).

SONY can't figure out what's wrong. One SONY techie said just live with it, can't do any harm. Another told me that if it bothered me, don't use the Clie Organizer. I don't think either of those are adequate responses, they really do need to back their hardware and software. In any case, I finally spoke to someone who said he'd do some research and get back to me.

My dilemma now is: this stray and errant icon is clearly something quirky. Does it mean that there is some buggy in the unit, something that will get more problematic as time goes on, and should I send it back to Dell for a replacement right now? Or is it something isolated, quirky but truly harmless?

[krypticide]

Clie Organizer in general is buggy. I still love it though, so it really comes down to whether the icon bothers you or not. :-) I doubt it has anything to do with anything else. It might be possible that the icons correspond to the built-in sample pictures that Sony provided. Maybe the software isn't buggy, but rather was accurately reflecting the factory-installed multimedia. Who knows.

[Gar]

Hi Threengs,

I'm the one playing with DateMan. What I do for that situation is to link a meeting to a list of people (address book) that was at the meeting as well as to a memo that has my notes on the meeting. I have just started using the linking to go to a todo list of items that must be completed by the next meeting and linking those to the people that are supposed to have them done. I'm starting to get the hang of this 'linking' feature (don't know if any of the others offer it) so it becomes a natural part of my meetings set up and follow up.

Originally posted by threengs
Question for Agendus and DB5 folks. Does either of those two apps allow you to view attendees for a meeting? I use Outlook 2002 at work and PocketMirror Pro with CO currently. CO will not show other Meeting attendees.

[threengs]

Thanks Gar!

Is there a more simple solution? Is DateMan a free app? Thanks!