MS Mount -> OS5

[Cyker]

Does any one know of something like MS Mount for OS5?

I'm researching replacement apps for my transition from an OS4.1 T665 to an OS5 TH55, and this is a util I use quite heavily: It allows me to play things with massive databases (Like Warfare ;)) without having to use up internal RAM.

There have been lots of things that copy the program into RAM from VFS, but I've not seen a single app which can run it from the VFS pseudo-directly the way MSMount does.

Is there such a thing for OS5? Or is it not possible to do this kind of thing in OS5?

[cbulock]

The only two apps that I know of that can do this are MSMount and PiDirect. And neither are OS5 compatible. But, using PowerRun or ZLauncher to simply copy the apps and databases over works pretty well. Unless you have databases over 32MB in size.

[anitanium]

and it would take you forever to load anything bigger than 2 megs to ram....

[rcxAsh]

But with limited memory, sometimes, it's all you can do...

[Cyker]

That's what I'm afraid of :/

I used to put Warfare into /PALM/Launcher, and it took far too long to load, but then someone told me about MSMount and I was like, "Woohoo!"

Even though TH55 has twice as much RAM as my T665 I bet it is gonna fille up even faster, so I really need to find an alternative for OS5...
Either that or annoy everyone into making their apps VFS-compliant :D

I already e-mailed MSMount's author and he says he doesn't (currently) have any plans to make it work with OS5+ :(

[cbulock]

One thing to remember though, the MS access times on the TH55 will be much faster than the T665. NetFront only tkes maybe 5 seconds to load off the MS (on my NX) and that is a 2MB app. The TH is possibly even faster.

[Cyker]

Mmm, a point worth considering. I wonder what the maximum transfer speed of a MemoryStick is...?

[strider_mt2k]

I'm researching this question now.

Can I assume from what I'm reading that MSMount will work okay under OS5?

I'm waiting for my TH55 to arrive. (backorder :( )

[rcxAsh]

AFAIK, MSMount will not work on your OS5 device. That is, unless the program has been updated since I last used it.

Above, they're talking about PowerRUN as opposed to MSMount. PowerRUN will work. However, it's not quite the same as MSMount. Instead, it moves the whole app to your memory stick and creates a shortcut on your device's internal memory. It's kind of what ZLauncher can do I believe.

[strider_mt2k]

Okay, thanks for the clarification.

I'm a regged ZL user, so I'll try to have it fill the gap.

MSMount was a bit flaky anyway, no problem.
I still appreciate what is does/did, but it had known issues.

I'm still learning what the other differences running under OS5 will be.

[kazuni]

you can also try powerrun 1.3, it works on clie models i believe.

[drwong]

i got the TH55, and it has a software called Data Export on the CD. It works like the MSMount..

i havent tried Memory Stick Pro on it yet and does not know the speed different.

btw, Memory stick Pro 256 goes for about USD90.. i saw it last week in Paris for almost 200 Euro!!

[rcxAsh]

Isn't Data Export the MS Import/Export thing? For using your Clie as a card reader so you can transfer data directly to your Clie's memory stick and bacK?

MSMount is a program that makes the PalmOS think that specified files residing on the memory stick are actually in the internal memory.

[Unregistered]

MSMount for OS5 is released :)

[rcxAsh]

Where is this? Latest version I can see is version 1.0.3.. last updated two years ago..... Are you trying to pull our legs? Lol.
http://www.freewarepalm.com/utilities/msmount.shtml

[Unregistered]

Check http://www.geocities.com/nagamatu

[rcxAsh]

Whoa! That is so cool! Thanks for the link! Will test it out later today. Sorry for not believing you lol, my fault. Hehe :). Wah, gotta try it out later.

Thanks again!

EDIT
Okay, so I tried it out, and it seems to be working pretty well. I haven't tested it extensively yet, but it seems fine. However, will it not always be freeware or something? Because the site says,This will terminate functionality at the end of June 2004.
This sounds like what AppShelf was like before its full release. AppShelf's beta expired after a certain date. Then you had to purchase the official release. Hmm.. Not sure. But amazing nonetheless! MSMount is finally here! Thanks again Unregistered!

[rcxAsh]

Unregistered, I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty to send a message to Joel (one of ClieSource's owners) about your discovery. I think that he is going to post it on the front page as a news item.

[sebring]

WOW!!! Great. MSMount is the app that I miss the most from OS4. I used it extensively.:D Thank you Unregie.:)

[sebring]

Originally posted by rcxAsh
Unregistered, I hope you don't mind, but I took the liberty to send a message to Joel (one of ClieSource's owners) about your discovery. I think that he is going to post it on the front page as a news item.

Hmmm, at the risk of sounding stupid, what kind of file is this? What diid you use to extract the .prc files? Using Powerdesk, I can see the contents of the file, but it doesn't recognize it as a .zip file.:confused:

Edit: OK, I figured it out. I had to rename the file to include a .zip extension, then I could extract the included files. So far it seems to work just like old MSMount, except it doesn't have the option to survive a soft reset. It has to be manually re-enabled, probably because it's beta. This app is great for users of Pocket TV Browser, so you can keep that huge data file on MS and still use it with both PTVB and TVGL.

[rcxAsh]

Um, I extracted it under Windows using WinRAR. I haven't tried it under my Linux partition yet, but I assume that if WinRAR can open it, anything else should.

[Dags]

Anyone got a link? - the geocities site is down :(

[rcxAsh]

Hehe, I think that he's gone over his bandwidth limit... Um, I've hosted the file that I downloaded on my webspace here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/davidee/clie/

I'll leave it there for a while.. although, I'm guessing that people rushing to get this may put me over my bandwidth limit too lol.

[Dags]

Thanks for that! ;)

Off to test it now.

[DanT]

Originally posted by rcxAsh
Hehe, I think that he's gone over his bandwidth limit... Um, I've hosted the file that I downloaded on my webspace here: http://www3.sympatico.ca/davidee/clie/

I'll leave it there for a while.. although, I'm guessing that people rushing to get this may put me over my bandwidth limit too lol.

Thanks :D

I downloaded it but don't have any use of it yet.  Whatelse you guys are using it for.  Just curious.

[rcxAsh]

It'll probably be invaluable to TG50 users. It's like another alternative to PowerRUN. Appears more seamless (no shorcuts), but perhaps more messy if you have more than one memory stick. And I haven't tried it yet, but it may even work for programs that don't normally work with PowerRUN? Because to the program, it looks as if it is in the internal memory.

Other uses are for programs with small sizes, but large databases and no VFS support. Store the program in the internal memory, and stick the database in the MSMount folder. I used to use it for that back on OS4. For example, Phoinix, the gameboy emulator. At that time, its VFS support was rather finicky for me. MSMount did everything with no fuss.

[DanT]

I use PiDirect to access StreetFinder GPS maps from MS on my N760C. Since PiDirect does not work with OS5, I may try this MSMount 5b1 on my TH55 with StreetFinder GPS map access from MS when I get that 1GB MS for $247 (still waiting for one, mwave.com (http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=3396377) says that they are out of stock).

[sebring]

Originally posted by DanT
I use PiDirect to access StreetFinder GPS maps from MS on my N760C. Since PiDirect does not work with OS5, I may try this MSMount 5b1 on my TH55 with StreetFinder GPS map access from MS when I get that 1GB MS for $247 (still waiting for one, mwave.com (http://www.mwave.com/mwave/skusearch.hmx?SCriteria=3396377) says that they are out of stock).

DanT,

I use MSMount for my 5MB wordnet file for Noah Lite and it works great. I also keep my Pocket TV Browser data file on MS with it. This makes it available to both TV Grid Listings and Pocket TV Browser. In the past I've also used it for Mapopolis maps that I use most frequently. They run faster than accessing them from the normal MS directory for them, plus it keeps them separate so I can use the load contiguous feature without overrunnng my RAM. I've also stored skins for apps like Wassup on MS with MSMount, making them readily available. This version of MSMount seems to do a better job of running actual apps than the OS4 version, at least so far.:) It works mostly like a huge expansion of ROM. Not quite as quick as ROM, but much faster than Powerrun or ZLaunchers PR type capabilites.

[DanT]

Thanks for the tips, Sebring. I may try that Mapopolis if StreetFinder OS5 is acting up on me. I'm using MSDict and also registered for Mi: D so I pass on NoahLite. It is good to hear that MSMount 5 does a better job than the older version.

[Dags]

There are a few probs with MSMount so far - it causes ClieOrganizer to crash on my TH55. I've removed it for now otherwise it kind of worked but there was still a delay in starting up - almost the same as using zlauncher.

[CliePet]

Good idea, however remember this is a beta.

For me it significantly slowed down everything on the PDA (it is hooking into the system database access routines to add the new features). Hopefully this is something they will fix (&/or add some caching)

Do people using it on OS4 notice a speed hit ?

[strider_mt2k]

I noticed a speed AND stability hit running on several different OS4 machines.

[madmaxmedia]

I currently use PowerRun and have a couple of questions about MSMount-

1. Does it only work with read-only files?
2. Is it compatible with Hotsynced applications?

PowerRun works very well, as it works with writable databases and Hotsyncing. But the disadvantage (vs. regular RAM) is speed. It does a great job of moving apps and all associated database files though.

Thanks

[sebring]

1) Yes
2) Probably not. In OS4, I always set MSMount to disable during hotsync, to avoid backing up the huge DB files that I had on MS in the MSMount directory. The OS5 version doesn't have the option to disable during hotsync, but it may be doing it automatically.

[sebring]

Originally posted by strider_mt2k
I noticed a speed AND stability hit running on several different OS4 machines.

I ran it on my NR with no detectible speed hit and. once I learned the quirks, also no stability issues.

[kgm01]

Anyone had any luck with Mapopolis. It just crashes my NX! if I put any of the maps in the MsMount folder.

[leo_clie]

Anybody could tell me, how to start working with it?

I've hotsynced the app and it's available in Memory, although not listed in ZL 4.10. I created a dir on my MS Palm/PROGAMS/MSMount and placed there just for the sake of testing PocketTunes in. But ZL 4.10 didn't recoginze anything. Neither Mapopolis for Maps (after placing on into the dir).

So, what did I do wrong resp. missed? Does CF + MS make some kind of problems?

[fitzer]

MsMount appears in 'prefs' and needs to be enabled before it looks for anything in the MSMOUNT folder.

[leo_clie]

Uhu, thanX. That's the missing line, not documented. Undocumented feature ;)

About Mapopolis: It works fine with me. I have one Map in ROM and one on the MS => both are loaded in view and could be searched for.

Meeen, now I can search in PDB with 100MB-Map file. Sounds great.

BTW: What's the difference to PowerRun? Speed? More flexibility? ???

[DanT]

If you have 2MB map file in MS, you will need at least 2MB free RAM space to run it witn PowerRun. I got away with 0.5MB free RAM for running 1.5MB StreetFinder map with MSMount back on my N760C days. Try that with PowerRun and see if you can do it.

[sebring]

Originally posted by kgm01
Anyone had any luck with Mapopolis. It just crashes my NX! if I put any of the maps in the MsMount folder.

I'm running Mapopolis maps from the MSMount directory without problems. Mapopolis Navigator v1.34. NX80V. Using recent demo maps from Mapopolis web site.

I use to run Mapopolis v5.19 and Platinum maps from MSMount on my OS4 NR70V, also without any problems.

[ziggy]

MSmount does not work on my Tungsten E :mad:
It freezes when I tap on "enable" in the prefs screen, and forces me to do a soft reset. Anyone else had this problem?

[leo_clie]

I've tried now with Maps beyond the RAM-limit, ie. in total approx. 25 MB. => Crash.

So, it doesn't seem you could load more, then you have in RAM (at least not for Mapopolis).