Will You Buy A TH55 in the next year?

[depret]

While the topic is hot, Will You Buy A TH55 in the next year? What is your percent chance?
- 00-20%
- 20-40%
- 40-60%
- 60-80%
- 80-100%

What do you see as the alternative?
- none
- T3
- TJ35
- E805
- OS6 device
- Smart Phone (e.g. Treo 600)
- Other

As a happy T665 owner wanting for the next generation of the same unit. 80-100%. T3 or Treo 600.

[CopyCat]

While I think its a great unit, I will still wait for further upgrades from Sony. If that model is any indication the OS6 models are going to be my insta-purchase.

0% chance I will buy it, but I will take one if given in a heart beat:)

[jmg_NX21]

I would've recommended it to my Mom who loves my NX70... IF it would have had BT.

She could actually use it (have WiFi here @ home)

BUT I am not. NX is still too good and I have SO many accessories for it... still ticking...

[BMEngineer]

40-60%. For me. I want to wait for a new NX.

[phoenix3200]

40%. And that's completely dependent on my brother wanting to buy my NX60. Otherwise, I can wait for OS6

[rsavage]

I just bought the tj-35 and I'm in no position to be out buying a another palm, so 0% for me.

[Athradon]

They might as well have called this the TN55, cause it looks to be the perfect replacement for the N760. I've been using a refurb N760 since last September (I opted for the N-series over the T615/665 because of price and compatibility with my S320's Stowaway keyboard).

The jog dial and the remote control haven't worked in months, the MS has trouble reading sporadically, the screen is blurred from dust, and now the backlight is starting to flicker on occasion. It's been a great device but Sony hasn't made a real OS5 update for it until now.

I was planning on hitting Circuit City this weekend to pick up a Palm T|T3, but then I saw the TH55 announcement and was intuiged. At first the T|T3 seemed like a better deal, with Docs to Go built-in, portrait or landscape mode option, actual 400MHz processor vs. the mediocre "handheld engine", but I really have no use for Bluetooth (VerizonWireless subscriber) and I have access to WiFi almost everywhere I go around campus. I'll still get to use my 128MB MS, which makes up for the 20MB less RAM on the TH55, and I figure, the processor will still perform faster than my N760's. My main requirement for a new handheld has been a non-clamshell hires+ screen, with built-in WiFi as my secondary requirement, and this is the first device to cover both. To have both of these in a package similar to my N760 will be great, if the Staples $350 price point is true...

[BalBurgh]

0%

OS6

[ClieKun]

have to see this device in person..........but from what I seen not likely

[DonWon]

OS6 for me too.

[ClieKun]

Originally posted by DonWon
OS6 for me too.
I second that :D

[Enceladus]

40-60% for me, Lack of bluetooth make my curious what Sony will do for the high end line. Plenty happy with the UX anyway.

[soman]

0 percent here
I want an ux50 with out the whining and maybe OS6 but mostly I want an ux50 without whining

[ScottLP]

You forgot the Tungsten TE2. I need to replace my T665 and will likely be buying one of these two.

[outdoor]

as everyone mentioned, no built in bluetooth, no OS6.


Looks good at first, but come to think of it, nah.

[jovy]

I currently own a sony nx70v. But I'm considering to shift to T3 for better service and larger memory and it's slim size. The CF slot on nx70v seems to me a big joke from Sony.

[minaw]

If it had a keyboard...

[ClieKun]

If it had os6 :D

[Athradon]

I agree that having OS6 would be nice, but I'm basing my tentative decision on the assumption that my N760 is going to die soon...otherwise I'd definitely wait for the next generation. And the rumored T|E2 doesn't have built-in WiFi, which makes this Clie much more functional. The T|E2 with an SD WiFi card would be an alternate solution, but no one knows when the new low-power version with PalmOS drivers will be released. I wish it did have the PalmOne Outlook-compatible PIM's instead of more proprietary Sony garbage, but the hi-res+ tablet with WiFi is too good a combination to pass up...

[Adrenochrome]

If OS6 isn't all it's cracked up to be, or if the TH55 (miraculously) can be upgraded to OS6, then I might buy it. But not before I know more about OS6.

[lateck]

To me it looks like the best move up from the SJ-33.
I like the flip cover, no key board, and compact size.

The camera will help also.
To me it will be a good move up.

lateck,

[threengs]

This a great upgrade for anyone with the original T Series. Keyboards are great if you do a lot of emailing but not necessary. The Screen size in a tablet form is what makes this a good buy for those not obsessed with cutting edge technology.

[ZarkOmicron]

I bought my current NR70 when they first came out -- more for the HiRes+ than the keyboard, which I only sporadically use. I almost update to the NX70 and then to the NX80, but in both cases I couldn't help but feel that they would be too large. The NR70 is large, but barable. The addition of the CF slot to the NX series is nice, but I was never convinced that it was worth the extra thickness.

But lately, my NR70 has been seeming just too slow, so the desire to move up has been strong. It was going to be between the NX80 and the UX50, but neither felt all that compelling: the NX80 was still just too big and the UX50 felt like a compromise in screen size (particularly since I could go either way on the presence of a keyboard).

The TH55 is the (nearly) perfect answer. HiRes+ in a smaller form than my NR70, with the addition of a much faster processor, more memory, MS PRO support, better camera (OK, not 1.3MP, but .3 is still a lot more useful than .1). And, of course, the coup de grace, built-in WiFi.

BT would be nice, but I do not have any BT devices at this point (Sprint doesn't seem to support any BT phones, and their unlimited Web access is hard to give up -- particularly with a USB cable to my laptop).

If the consumer IR is really missing, that will be a loss, but like giving up the keyboard, I will only miss it occasionally. Similarly, the IR on the side will be a bit annoying (and possibly the MS on the side as well).

I expect the jog roller on the back will by fine, possibly even better than on the side though obviously I'll have to try one before I really decide on that point.

Notably, if they made a new clamshell model the thickness of the NR70 (which is actually relatively thin) and the height of the NX80 (which is a good half inch shorter then the NR70), I might choose that over the TH55, depending on the exact feature sets and prices.

[ClieKun]

any idea when these will be in the shops in the USA?

[chepeliyas]

I would buy it this year.

[ClieKun]

If this indeed is released in Japan MAYBE next week or the following.

[*YellowRose*]

Unless something happens to my still-wonderful NX70v, I'm not buying new until OS6 is released. No reason to, really. What I have does what I need & more . . .

[ClieKun]

I agree..............if its not broken.don`t fix some thing that works.

[tonyreynolds]

No.

I'm looking for an NZ replacement, not a TG replacement. I need a better camera for my needs than a CMOS VGA unit.

Now if Sony can get me at least a 1.4MP CCD camera in a tablet form factor like the TH55, then I'll buy it in a heartbeat. I hardly ever use the NZ keyboard.

Tony

[Marre]

me - 0%
I still prefer my NX80.

my GF - 60-80%
She's looking forward to replace her TE. She's a long time sony fan though.

[Spikesdacoolest]

10%....just got an NX80v for christmas...and I'm getting a WiFi card for my birthday....and eventually someone will figur out how to put BlueTooth internally in my NX80v...if Sony doesn't eventually do upgrades for that.

[PDAJah]

Depends on what happens to the Sony Ericsson P900 successor - if this has WiFi then I will not think about another Clie. I use my NR70 mainly for eBook reading (secure Palm) now days. The P900 is okay for ebooks but the large screen of the TH55 would be ideal ($350 translates in to very good price in UKPs) and only the Mobipocket reader is supported for Symbian. Don't mind carrying both the P900 and TH55 as the TH55 would be in my bag (buisness trips only).

[Spikesdacoolest]

P900 is expensive!!

[orol]

0%. no keyboard & I'm happy with my UX50
but it's very descent PDA
if the price 350 comes troue, wow, it will be selling like hotcakes
(pitty it doesn't have BT)

[Spikesdacoolest]

IT DOES HAVE BLUETOOTH OROL...now maybe you'll get one? lol...check the specs again ;) :D
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=38646

[tonyreynolds]

Originally posted by Spikesdacoolest
IT DOES HAVE BLUETOOTH OROL...now maybe you'll get one? lol...check the specs again ;) :D
http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=38646

If you read ALL of the threads, you'll see that it appears that BT will be pulled from units marketed in the States...

http://www.cliesource.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=38682

Tony

[MadMike]

... which is why I might get one, here in Europe..

Take TG50, remove shabby keyboard, add HiRes+ and WiFi. Sell at ~350,- - 400,- Euros -> Deal!

I give it 60 - 80%

Mike

[bobes]

95% (unless something more compelling comes out)

Just sold my T3 that I bought in December for this thing. Gotta use my 665 until then.

[Jonavin]

Not enough RAM. OS5 vs OS6 is not a concern for me. I'm doing fine with OS4. There are only handful of OS5-only apps that I'd care about and exactly ZERO OS6 application.

I want at least 64MB of useable RAM for my next PDA. Not having Bluetooth in the USA (and assume Canada) is the clincher for me.

Chance of me buying the TH55 is 0-20% (assuming my T665 can still holds up to all my abusive drops).

[TH55]

hell yes!!
i almost made the mistake of buying the ux50 (actually I did buy it but returned next day..thanks BestBuy!) couldn't stand the little screen adn landscape-only thing

[Cyker]

Yeah that's one thing that's holding me back from OS5 - No hacks!!

I have lots of nifty hacks that I think I would be hard-pressed to live without. To be fair, some of them have been ported now (Woo! Hacker Dude-San you roXX0r!), but a lot of them aren't even being developed any more and no replacement has appeared...


OS6 scares the hell out of me - MultiTasking?! Why the hell do we need multitasking!? It'll just slow everything down and make it unstable!

And what's the point anyway? This smacks of one of thos things that *sounds good* but is, in actual fact, totally pointless.

As it stands, the task switching capabilities of PalmOS are damned excellent and more than good enough for me. Palm proggies already save their state - I love it how I can hit Home, open some other app and do something, then return to the previous app in the exact state that I left it :D

If task-switching was done with multi-tasking instead of task-suspension, we'll be having stupid situations where something like MemoPad is wasting CPU cycles by running in the background while I'm playing Warfare!


I will say that having a few 'background rings' running on PalmOS would be great, but OS5 has that already!! (i.e. for background audio player)



And PDAJah - You're kidding yourself man. I bet when that $350 PDA comes over to sunny (haha) UK, they'll charge us £350 for it. The bar-stewards. ;)

[bighornsheep]

I don't understand why they didn't put a 1.3 mp camera on the TH55.....

100% for sure I'd get it if the camera was 1.3 MP....


what do you guys think about that.....

[LupeValenz]

a big fat 0000000000000000.00000000000001% I'll get this, only way this happens if nature forces me to buy one by killing my precious UX50. I can't part with this unit till a new UX upgrade comes along. :)

[TH55]

Originally posted by bighornsheep
I don't understand why they didn't put a 1.3 mp camera on the TH55.....

100% for sure I'd get it if the camera was 1.3 MP....


what do you guys think about that.....

i don't think peope use the pda-cameras for quality pics, just for incidentals, otherwise get a real one or buy a nz90
i think it was meant for contacts, email pics and things like that
i really don't want it to compete with my digital camera, keep it SMALL Sony!

[greengoblin]

No. It's a low-end model as far as I am concerned.

[Spikesdacoolest]

Originally posted by Cyker
(Woo! Hacker Dude-San you roXX0r!),
1337 5p34k= EVIL!!! EEEEEVVVIIIIILLLL!!! lol :D sorry just had to do that.

[Adrenochrome]

Originally posted by bighornsheep
I don't understand why they didn't put a 1.3 mp camera on the TH55.....

100% for sure I'd get it if the camera was 1.3 MP....


what do you guys think about that.....

Such a camera would cost more and cut into higher-end sales. Plus, I doubt it's a deal-breaker for most people. It's for snapshots, not photographs.

[edeab220]

0%. I've just grown so acustomed (sp?) with my T|T3 and the wonderful 64MB RAM, I can't give up 32MB RAM just to get this thing. And even though this thing has WiFi (which I NEED), I want to upgrade to OS 6, and my T|T3 has the greatest chance of being upgradeable.

I do miss Sony, though. I've had my NR70 for a year, and I've had good times with it. I really miss the remote :p.

[Vidge]

Nada. Zip. Zilch. Not enough RAM, no BT.

[Jeffry]

I'll wait til OS6.... I'll wait til Palm catches up to Pocket PC.

[ClieKun]

Sitting and waiting until March.............................:)

[s_n_m]

The breaking deal between the Zodiac and the TH55 are the zodiac's buttons and the TH's wifi.

Which is more important to me is not clear yet.

[s_n_m]

Originally posted by Jeffry
I'll wait til OS6.... I'll wait til Palm catches up to Pocket PC.

Right...catch up. :rolleyes:

[s_n_m]

Originally posted by Adrenochrome


Such a camera would cost more and cut into higher-end sales. Plus, I doubt it's a deal-breaker for most people. It's for snapshots, not photographs.

It's for addressbook if anything...

[bighornsheep]

1.3 MP camera is not even good enough for photographs...

I would think 1.3 would be good on a pda since 0.3 is a joke and it's more like a toy....wow 400 dollar toy......

in terms of for photographs, you would need AT least 2mp..

so I think 1.3 would be a fair balance to put on TH55 between toy and half decent photographs.....

[ClieKun]

oh boy the PPC VS Pda again :D

[qwertyuiop]

i'm not gettin it; i'm happy with my nx70

waiting for either the next nz or nx.... something with a nicer camera, os6 and lots more RAM...

[Cyker]

I keep saying Scrap camera, Put IR and MS slot back, Add More RAM, Add 5-way! :P

BTW was looking at the FCC documents. The WiFi antenna is *tiny*!!!!
I can see wireless mode is gonna kill the battery if used a lot!

[rsavage]

The camera, in my mind, is a useless gimic, well almost useless, and not something I want on my palm.

[ClieKun]

I have a camera on my phone, and digital camera and now its going to be on my Pda! Geshhhhhhhhh When I first started in Palms I never thought of them as Game devices, camera, music player etc.........I have all these devices, but having them all together as one? well I not that happy about it. palms are nice from my use they are Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrect :D all the extra crap is not really needed. As I want is OS 6

[Atomic Chicken]

Greetings!

100% for me - just as soon as it is in the stores.

I'll keep using my beloved NX80 as my main machine, and continue to carry it with me wherever I go. However....

The TH55 looks to me like the PERFECT machine for around the house use - built in WiFi for web browsing and MP3 streaming, excellent 320X480 screen for ebook reading, voice recorder for taking quick mental notes out loud, and a (admittedly limited, but still useful!) camera for taking snapshots.

As a second backup unit, at about 1/2 the cost of another NX80, this one practically sold itself to me. Thanks Sony!!!!

Best regards,
Bawko

[Breizh92]

OS6 for me too.

[ClieKun]

OS 6 or Bust :D

[jackho]

TH55 is a good CLIE but OS6 is comming soon...

BTW, the tittle of this thread "Will You Buy A TH55 in the next year?" that means 2005? :D

[ClieKun]

OS 6 is coming some time in march..........models released beforehand will hae 5.2

[hu9020]

60-80% (80%-100% if it has BT)
Alternatives TJ37 (with BT)

[tonyreynolds]

Originally posted by bighornsheep
1.3 MP camera is not even good enough for photographs...



I'm sorry, but I HAVE to disagree on this one...

A 1.3 MP image (1280x960) will yield a very decent 7x5 or even an 8x10 IF it has a quality lens and firmware. That's what my first digicam was, an Agfa 1280.

Even though I shoot my serious stuff with a 5+MP Minolta D7i, we seem to have this mentality that if something's good, more is better. While this may be the "american" way, it's the monkey using the wrench, not the wrench that counts for the final product.

Tony

PS: I get very nice 8x10's from my NZ90...

[ClieKun]

um? I think is a safe bet to wait until the finish product is released. With sony things ALWAYS changes.......mostly bad. :(

[depret]

The results are very surprising to be me. It seems that T665C users are ready to buy if they have not already gone to an OS5 device (T3, TJ, ...). Hence, they are waiting for an OS6 devices (reasonable).

High end Sony users are, overall, unimpressed with the device (reasonable also). She is beautiful by the way.

BT and design seem to be a factor for some.

Lastly, I expected more votes and more 60-100% votes because this is a pro-Sony crowd. I somewhat fear for the success of the TH55.

What do I know as a newbie? Great to be on board.

Long live the TH55.

P.S. I wish I had thought to claim the TH55 login.

[Talula]

Originally posted by Vidge
Nada. Zip. Zilch. Not enough RAM, no BT.

Exactly my thoughts! But you forgot, no landscape either!

[ClieKun]

You really needed to know what you want, before walking into a shop. well this does not apply to the internet.

[ricleo]

it's 100%-100% for Me :D

[Marre]

Regarding the camera, I think the 0.3MP can make 3x5" print if it is not blurred or grainy. The TH55 will probably do quite well in bright places or outdoors. In other places it will suffer but that's usually because of lack of flash (or light), not the camera itself.


depret :

Even if this statistic represents the crowd here, it's not all that bad since a lot of pro-sony people already went to the NX/NZ/UX and I imagine only a few of them would go down to the TH55.

[Cyker]

Originally posted by depret
The results are very surprising to be me. It seems that T665C users are ready to buy if they have not already gone to an OS5 device (T3, TJ, ...). Hence, they are waiting for an OS6 devices (reasonable).

High end Sony users are, overall, unimpressed with the device (reasonable also). She is beautiful by the way.

BT and design seem to be a factor for some.

Lastly, I expected more votes and more 60-100% votes because this is a pro-Sony crowd. I somewhat fear for the success of the TH55.


I think your observations are right :)

I wouldn't worry about the TH55 'tho - No other PDA in the past year has generated this much interest. I mean jeez, 500 posts in a few days!!!

As long as Sony don't miss the boat and/or screw it up some other way, they'll have quite a few sales on their hands I reckon :)


re. OS6 - What's so great about OS6 anyway? (Bear in mind I still think OS5 is crap :P)

[olendorf]

I don't understand why everyone wants OS6. What feature is it that you all have to have?

[Deep blue Sky]

I think this device is what I have been waiting for all along (would have been nice if it has BT). Is it true that there is no landscape mode???

I think Sony missed the boat somehow because a lot has purchased TJ and T3, thinking that TJ is the only solution for a while.

I also don't understand what is so great about OS6 that is worth waiting for. Can anyone enlight me on that?????

[Marre]

umm ... well, it has number six, which is more than five ... it is the latest ... it is cool ... it is geeky ... it has multitasking ... updated PIM (or so they say) ... seamless wireless roaming ... pluggable input (dunno what this has to do with the users though) ... well what else ... umm .. unnn ....

oh wait, native ARM code execution. I dunno what limitations the current armlets have though so I can't comment.

[Cyker]

See, the Native ARM-code execution sounds nifty, but then native ARM apps are not PalmOS anymore, because they won't work on anything except OS6 :(

Hehe, I hate to see what OS10 is like in the future - Have OS4.1 Moto68k emulator running under OS5 ARM + OS6 extensions emulator on OS10 on a 10THz HAL5000 QuantumDNA CPU :P

But this is the way of things :/ The only PDA that is even slightly resistant to this sort of thing is the Zarius because you can recompile a lot of it's programs!

As it stands, if I could stick with OS4.1 I probably would because I can't see anything OS5 and 6 offer that would out-weigh the 2-3 nifty pre-OS5 apps that would probably stop working.

[Marre]

well, one of the possible ways is to do it like the Java Virtual Machine ... say, in Palm OS10, you can opt to install a OS4 or OS5 virtual machine to run legacy apps. I really think Palm should drop these black&white lo-res apps somewhere (into the form of virtual machine). The cost of supporting these legacy apps in-OS will increase overtime and will bog down the otherwise efficient OS.

OS5 could've been much faster on these ARM processors if it were done this way.

[SamuraiCatJB]

Originally posted by Marre
well, one of the possible ways is to do it like the Java Virtual Machine ... say, in Palm OS10, you can opt to install a OS4 or OS5 virtual machine to run legacy apps. I really think Palm should drop these black&white lo-res apps somewhere (into the form of virtual machine). The cost of supporting these legacy apps in-OS will increase overtime and will bog down the otherwise efficient OS.

OS5 could've been much faster on these ARM processors if it were done this way.

that was actually the proposal Intel did to palm for the initial switch to the Intel processors. Palm, however, wanted things differently. :)

[gisolury]

Why don't consider a Japaness/European model

it has both BT and WiFi

[DanT]

Originally posted by Athradon
They might as well have called this the TN55, cause it looks to be the perfect replacement for the N760. I've been using a refurb N760 since last September (I opted for the N-series over the T615/665 because of price and compatibility with my S320's Stowaway keyboard).

The jog dial and the remote control haven't worked in months, the MS has trouble reading sporadically, the screen is blurred from dust, and now the backlight is starting to flicker on occasion. It's been a great device but Sony hasn't made a real OS5 update for it until now.

I was planning on hitting Circuit City this weekend to pick up a Palm T|T3, but then I saw the TH55 announcement and was intuiged. At first the T|T3 seemed like a better deal, with Docs to Go built-in, portrait or landscape mode option, actual 400MHz processor vs. the mediocre "handheld engine", but I really have no use for Bluetooth (VerizonWireless subscriber) and I have access to WiFi almost everywhere I go around campus. I'll still get to use my 128MB MS, which makes up for the 20MB less RAM on the TH55, and I figure, the processor will still perform faster than my N760's. My main requirement for a new handheld has been a non-clamshell hires+ screen, with built-in WiFi as my secondary requirement, and this is the first device to cover both. To have both of these in a package similar to my N760 will be great, if the Staples $350 price point is true...

I'm in the same boat with you, but haven't seen you in the N-series threads for some reasons.

I have the same old N760 for 2.5 years, replaced the battery recently, and upgraded the RAM to 32MB for speed in accessing GPS maps and some apps. 

It is about 80% chance for me to get the TH55.  The remaining 20% reserve for the price.  If it is more than $350 is a no go, unless it has at least 64MB RAM, as I already have 32MB RAM and feel that is still a bit limiting.

As to dust cleaning, I have done it w/o any problem.  I even sealed it from future dust entries.  My screen has stayed dust free for may be almost a year now.  Check the N-series forum if you want to do it by yourself.  You may need to separate the glasstop/digitizer from the FRONT light screen because some of the dusts are trapped between the two layers, not just between the light screen and the LCD.  The trick is to use a very thin razor blade to split the 0.5mm thick glasstop/digitizer off the metal frame.  Don't pry the glasstop off or you will crack it.  Just insert the blade in between the glass and the metal frame and run the blade around the frame.  Be very careful not to scratch the light screen.  Use dust remover spray to dust off the glasstop/digitizer, the light screen, and the LCD.  When you put everything back together, use electrical tape to seal all possible dust entries.  That's it.

The flickering light could be due to loose ribbon cable connection.  One fix is to put a tiny piece of Scotch tape on the other side of the contact pins to thicken the tape and improve the contacts as you insert and lock the tape pins to the motherboard.

I'm pretty close to get TT3 too.  It is certainly a much better deal than TH55 for the same price.  I think PalmOne sets a new pricing standard for Palm devices for consumer to base it on.  Now Sony has to follow in order to survive in this business.  However, I'm glad I waited as I already have too many Clie accessories (MSs, GPS adapters, etc.).

I think 123MHz is fast enough for me to run QuickSheet and viewing 3+ MP images from my P10.  Certainly it would be 4x faster than my N760C.  Having 400MHz may be over killing to what I want it to do and ending up wasting more juice.

If everything is indeed as described in the manual, I'll be one of the first guys in-line in BestBuy the day it shows up there.    

[duc748_bip]

Nope
My next clie will definitely be a OS6

[kkrays]

same here regarding OS6. It's too close to the release of a new palmOS for me, so I won't be buying into anymore palmOS 5.x models (NX73V now).

I may switch the whole pda bandwagon and go one step up to a Sony TR vaio series or perhaps Fujitsu Lifebook. But I'll definitely give OS6 a look. I'll be going back to Tokyo this spring break (beginning of May for me, I believe), so hopefully some OS6 models will be out in Tokyo by then.

[Cyker]

Originally posted by Marre
well, one of the possible ways is to do it like the Java Virtual Machine ... say, in Palm OS10, you can opt to install a OS4 or OS5 virtual machine to run legacy apps. I really think Palm should drop these black&white lo-res apps somewhere (into the form of virtual machine). The cost of supporting these legacy apps in-OS will increase overtime and will bog down the otherwise efficient OS.

OS5 could've been much faster on these ARM processors if it were done this way. Very true.
This is one of those classic problems with computers in general.

TBH we haven't quite reached the point where the problems with backwards-compatibility out-weigh the benefits, and Palm would have been stupider than Sony to break compatibility with all the old OS4< programs, because they'd put themselves in a 3-way battle with PocketPC, OS4.1< and OS5!

The ARMlets was a *very* smart idea on their part, but as you say, to truely benefit from the new architecture they'll have to break the old systems, which will be *painful*.

The emulators may stay for a while - Look at PC's: We're still using really crappy ancient x86, which has had so many hacks to workaround problems. Intel tried to start a shift with Itanium, but the backwards compatibility is not there and hardly anyone went with it.

Did you know some companies make chips and hardware that emulate stuff like ferrite memory cores for ancient mainframes because the companies that run them just can't change the system because it's so pervasive and deep-rooted?

Scary....

[Unregistered]

Originally posted by Cyker:

I think your observations are right

I wouldn't worry about the TH55 'tho - No other PDA in the past year has generated this much interest. I mean jeez, 500 posts in a few days!!!

As long as Sony don't miss the boat and/or screw it up some other way, they'll have quite a few sales on their hands I reckon

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Originally posted by Marre:

Even if this statistic represents the crowd here, it's not all that bad since a lot of pro-sony people already went to the NX/NZ/UX and I imagine only a few of them would go down to the TH55.

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I am betting that current T665C owners will flock to this unit plus a fair amount of new users, you never know. I just hope the numbers are large enough to create a 3 unit run ala 415->615->665.

TH55->TH57 at a minimum. Better yet, add TH65->TH67.

Personnal Note: I loved small form factor of the SJ series because is was the same size as my little black paper planner. I moved up to the 665C because it added only 0.5 inches in length and was thinner than the paper planner (fair trade). Also, it did not stick out of the front shirt pocket.

I do not know if I am willing to make that trade again. I will have to think about it.

[geekzilla]

I was really waiting for a unit like this and I like what I see so far. I can't wait to see it in person! I'm in that "T665C user that wants HiRes and virtual graffiti" crowd. I may not be first in line at Best Buy to grab it, but when the price is less than $300 I may be shopping for one. I am 80 to 100% sure I will buy 1 this year.

[ClieKun]

WOW we are up to palm os 10 :D that was fast...........:D

[Macka]

0%
Waiting for OS 6 clie but only if it comes until July and has:
1, Bluetooth
2, WiFi
3, Large screen
4, Keyboard
5, video camera

and costs $700 and less including tax.
Is it possible ?

[DanT]

Dream on ;)

[Palm Cow]

Originally posted by Macka
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Waiting for OS 6 clie but only if it comes until July and has:
1, Bluetooth
2, WiFi
3, Large screen
4, Keyboard
5, video camera

and costs $700 and less including tax.
Is it possible ?

Sounds like the next NX, actually.

[Yuriv]

The TH55 seems to be SO close to perfect that it almost hurts. (Of course, I have to see the actual unit before I can be sure.)

I won't say Sony got it wrong, because I am sure that this will be a dream-machine for many. However, there are two things that make this a no-go for me:

1) The camera: Personally, I think that this is a waste of space and a detracting factor. My cellphone camera boasts the same resolution plus a flash, and its not that impressive.

2) Lack of landscape mode. A high-res+ screen on a non-clamshell device is certainly what all of us T-users have been waiting for, but I don't see the larger screen real-estate really being of much help in the absence of landscape mode, especially for viewing the Internet and Docs to Go/Sheets to Go.

I'm still VERY tempted by the T3 (especially as it maintains usable-sized buttons with a high-res+ screen), but I really want to stick with Sony as I consider the T665 pretty much the most perfect PDA ever made and hope that they will repeat the success.

While I am not particular about OS5 vs OS6, I am tempted to wait for the advent of the OLED screen, which is reportedly just around the corner. Not only will this screen type improve battery life significantly, but it will also lower the weight and possibly the size of units (maybe an OLED clamshell would no longer be the size of a light truck).

Just a few thoughts....

[Macka]

Originally posted by Palm Cow


Sounds like the next NX, actually.

but it doesnt have OS 6, in this case im waiting for new NX.

[Cyker]

One thing about the TH55 is that it isn't really designed for Landscape mode, which might be why they left it out.

The T3 is very easy to use in Landscape mode - you can still hold it in one hand and manipulate the 5-way and buttons with ease.

Can you imagine trying to do that with the TH55? Brrr...!
Still, the option would have been nice...

[Take1]

Will wait for Palm and perhaps an OLED Sony (depends if it has B/T). You Know PalmOne will put B/T as a standard feature (as all PDAs should nowadays), but the OLED aspect (better battery life and brilliant display) of the supposed Sony has me wondering what Sony has up it's sleeve.

Was going to buy the TH55 initially, but when it was revealed that there would be no B/T in the U.S. model, that was the deal breaker.

[fjl307]

I'm quite happy w/ my NX 73 with the exception thatit cañ't play ogg vorbus

[Cyker]

Problem with OLEDs is they still have some issues with longitivity ('tho since some of you gits somehow get through 7-8 PDAs in the entire time I've had my T665 I guess that ain't a major problem for everyone :P) which I think is why they aren't as prevalent, despite being far cheaper to make and less power-hungry.

For me the camera on the TH55 is a small bonus (I'll never use it but hey, it's there :)).

The stuff I don't like about it is that: It's OS5, It doesn't have enough/the right hard buttons for me to play stuff like Zap (Waa!) and It only has 32MB RAM (And without MSMount, that will get tight veeery quickly given how big a lot of OS5 apps seem to get!)

These are pretty minor things 'tho, so chances are I'll still get one - the WiFi is a killer feature (BT is nice too :D).

I will say one thing however - If the T3 had WiFi and a jog-dial it would be *PERFECT*. For me anyway ;)